Endroits au monde où la communauté française est la plus faible?
by Nomore
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je me demande un truc depuis un moment, mais c'est sûrement une question compliqué...
A votre avis, quels sont les endroits au monde où la communauté française est la plus faible?
Genre ne pas se retrouver dans une ville comme Londres où la présence Francaise est tellement forte qu'on pourrait se croire à Paris dans les coins touristiques... :p
Ne vous trompez pas, il ne s'agit en rien de critiquer les endroits où les français vont en masse mais c'est vrai que je trouve ça frustrant de partir à un endroit et de se retrouver entourer de compatriotes...
Merci de vos réponses et bonne soirée
Presque partout dans le monde, hors les villes et l'été septentrional tu ne trouveras plus de français.
J'ai des adresses mais ils n'aiment pas les français, je ne puis donc les divulguer.🙁
je trouve ça frustrant de partir à un endroit et de se retrouver entourer de compatriotes...
Pars-tu en voyage organisé ?
Pars-tu en voyage organisé ?
OUi, effectivement c'est un peu réduit pour en avoir marre de côtoyer ses compatriotes et puis quoi, tu n'es pas obligé(e) de les fréquenter ...
SO
au fin de de la campagne japonaise tu ne croiseras aucun francais
idem dans l'amerique profonde et meme ceratins coins de la thailande sont entrierement depourvu d 'etrangers
dans les capitales il suffit d'aller dans les quartiers non touristiques pour ne plus en trouver
vois tu beaucoup de touristes etrangers dans les petites rues du XX arrondissemnt de paris ?
À part quelques pays d'Europe et quelques grandes villes touristiques dans le monde où l'on trouve quelques expatriés voire quelques touristes, les Français se croisent quand même rarement sur la planète !
Va au japon en effet, en évitant bien-sûr les petites villes touristiques (genre Nikko, Nara... et encore...). Même à Tokyo, tu peux passer plusieurs jours sans en croiser. Et à la campagne, tu ne croises même pas d'occidentaux, tout simplement.
Va au japon en effet, en évitant bien-sûr les petites villes touristiques (genre Nikko, Nara... et encore...). Même à Tokyo, tu peux passer plusieurs jours sans en croiser. Et à la campagne, tu ne croises même pas d'occidentaux, tout simplement.
Ce snobisme anti-touriste est très en vogue , mais il est rare d'éviter les touristes quand on veut voir les endroits "connus" voire incontournables d'un pays.
ericetstella
je ne suis pas tout à fait d'accord... Il y a beaucoup d'endroits incontournables totalement inconnus des touristes... et plein d'endroit ultra touristiques tout à fait "contournables" (comme les Champs Elysées à Paris par exemple...).
Je trouve qu'il est, d'une manière générale, plus agréable de découvrir un pays peu touristique... Après, il y en a qui préfèrent être entourés de touristes (voire être en groupe ou en club), parce que ça les rassurent. Pour moi, moins il y a de touristes, plus c'est enrichissant.
Mais de là à éviter "spécialement" les touristes Français, là, en revanche, je ne comprends pas trop... Les touristes Français sont-ils pires que les Allemands, les Espagnols ou les Chinois ? Je crois que tous les "groupes" de touristes se valent...
Je trouve qu'il est, d'une manière générale, plus agréable de découvrir un pays peu touristique... Après, il y en a qui préfèrent être entourés de touristes (voire être en groupe ou en club), parce que ça les rassurent. Pour moi, moins il y a de touristes, plus c'est enrichissant.
Mais de là à éviter "spécialement" les touristes Français, là, en revanche, je ne comprends pas trop... Les touristes Français sont-ils pires que les Allemands, les Espagnols ou les Chinois ? Je crois que tous les "groupes" de touristes se valent...
Comme je le disais, mon message n'est pas motivé par un quelconque sentiment "anti-français"....
C'est juste que se retrouver à l'autre bout du monde pour se dépayser un maximum et se retrouver avec des personnes qui parlent français et peuvent venir de la même région que vous c'est frustrant dans un sens...
Cela étant dit, les gens voyagent de plus en plus, et c'est positif bien sur !
Salut,
moi j'ai bien compris ce que tu veux dire, car lorsque je voyage, j'aime bien aussi pas entendre parler le français, l'italien ou l'allemand à tous les coins de rue 😉
pour cela il faut choisir des pays peu ou moins touristiques.
dernièrement, j'ai croisé très très peu d'européens au Venezuela ou en Colombie (excepté à Cartagena).
Il y a 15 ans en Equateur, pas croisé une tête d'Européen pendant 2 semaines 😏
le désavantage, c'est que parfois ça manque de structures dans ces pays là, mais faut savoir ce que l'on veut dans la vie, pas vrai ?! 😛
moi j'ai bien compris ce que tu veux dire, car lorsque je voyage, j'aime bien aussi pas entendre parler le français, l'italien ou l'allemand à tous les coins de rue 😉
pour cela il faut choisir des pays peu ou moins touristiques.
dernièrement, j'ai croisé très très peu d'européens au Venezuela ou en Colombie (excepté à Cartagena).
Il y a 15 ans en Equateur, pas croisé une tête d'Européen pendant 2 semaines 😏
le désavantage, c'est que parfois ça manque de structures dans ces pays là, mais faut savoir ce que l'on veut dans la vie, pas vrai ?! 😛
Faby
se retrouver avec des personnes qui parlent français et peuvent venir de la même région que vous c'est frustrant dans un sens...
On peut le percevoir différemment, le recevoir comme un p'tit clin d'oeil... cadeau de la vie comme elle sait si bien faire quelquefois.
Il y a 3 ans, après 3 semaines éprouvantes et magiques à marcher dans les paysages superbes des montagnes et vallées désertiques d'une des régions les plus hautes du monde... retour en douceur à la civilisation dans une GH très simple.
Un matin pluvieux, un réveil matinal, un tchai brûlant... et à la table d'à côté une femme, matinale aussi devant son tchai brûlant et... un guide en français ! Sourires échangés, moment partagé à retrouver, après des semaines à ne communiquer que par gestes, par sourires ou dans un anglais plus que rudimentaire... le plaisir mutuel de parler une langue familière.
Aucune frustration... juste une petite parenthèse discrète, lumineuse et enrichissante.
Décider d'aller vers l'autre, sans à priori, ou s'abstenir de le faire... cela peut être tout simple, parfois.
On peut le percevoir différemment, le recevoir comme un p'tit clin d'oeil... cadeau de la vie comme elle sait si bien faire quelquefois.
Il y a 3 ans, après 3 semaines éprouvantes et magiques à marcher dans les paysages superbes des montagnes et vallées désertiques d'une des régions les plus hautes du monde... retour en douceur à la civilisation dans une GH très simple.
Un matin pluvieux, un réveil matinal, un tchai brûlant... et à la table d'à côté une femme, matinale aussi devant son tchai brûlant et... un guide en français ! Sourires échangés, moment partagé à retrouver, après des semaines à ne communiquer que par gestes, par sourires ou dans un anglais plus que rudimentaire... le plaisir mutuel de parler une langue familière.
Aucune frustration... juste une petite parenthèse discrète, lumineuse et enrichissante.
Décider d'aller vers l'autre, sans à priori, ou s'abstenir de le faire... cela peut être tout simple, parfois.
dernièrement, j'ai croisé très très peu d'européens au Venezuela ou en Colombie (excepté à Cartagena).
Il y a 15 ans en Equateur, pas croisé une tête d'Européen pendant 2 semaines 😏
le désavantage, c'est que parfois ça manque de structures dans ces pays là, mais faut savoir ce que l'on veut dans la vie, pas vrai ?! 😛
C'est ce que je disais, en dehors des principaux pays d'Europe et de quelques grandes villes dans le monde, on entends rarement parler français.
Ce n'est pas valable que pour l'Amérique latine mais aussi pour une très grande partie de l'Asie (Inde, Chine, Corée, Japon notamment).
Il y a 15 ans en Equateur, pas croisé une tête d'Européen pendant 2 semaines 😏
le désavantage, c'est que parfois ça manque de structures dans ces pays là, mais faut savoir ce que l'on veut dans la vie, pas vrai ?! 😛
C'est ce que je disais, en dehors des principaux pays d'Europe et de quelques grandes villes dans le monde, on entends rarement parler français.
Ce n'est pas valable que pour l'Amérique latine mais aussi pour une très grande partie de l'Asie (Inde, Chine, Corée, Japon notamment).
cela me rappelle la reflexion d'alice ma fille ainée elle avait 7 ans et on venait de faire un "trek " de 10 jours au nepal sans rencontrer un seul etranger
arrivée à gorka nous avons aussi bu un chai et il y avait un etranger aussi en train de boire et alice a dit : oh maman un nepalais blanc c'est bizarre !! 😉
Salut,
ça m'est arrivé aussi, dans certaines situations bien précises, d'être soulagée de voir qu'il n'y avait pas que des autochtones autour de moi. Parfois ça peut aussi rassurer 🙂
ça m'est arrivé aussi, dans certaines situations bien précises, d'être soulagée de voir qu'il n'y avait pas que des autochtones autour de moi. Parfois ça peut aussi rassurer 🙂
Faby
C'est ce que je disais, en dehors des principaux pays d'Europe et de quelques grandes villes dans le monde, on entends rarement parler français.
Ce n'est pas valable que pour l'Amérique latine mais aussi pour une très grande partie de l'Asie (Inde, Chine, Corée, Japon notamment).
Tout à fait ! je citais qq exemples que j'ai vécus en Amérique Latine, ne connaissant que très peu l'Asie.
Ce n'est pas valable que pour l'Amérique latine mais aussi pour une très grande partie de l'Asie (Inde, Chine, Corée, Japon notamment).
Tout à fait ! je citais qq exemples que j'ai vécus en Amérique Latine, ne connaissant que très peu l'Asie.
Faby
Peu de francophes à Riga, à Bratislava, en Hongrie, en Rép Tchécque(sauf à Prague), Croatie, Slovénie, Bosnie et Herzegovine.
Xavier.
All know that French fries are Belgian.
si tu vas à guilgit à raswalpendhi kaboul taskent ou bagdag tu ne rencontreras pas ou peu de français ni meme d'européens ou americains en gros toutes les zones présumées dangereuses et médiatisées comme telles. les gens vont ou les guides et organismes du tourisme leur sugerent d'aller, d'ou une grande concentration des masses touristiques sur les lieux prévus à cet effet. les hauts lieux historiques ou à climat exeptionnel attirent les occidentaux et sont souvent exploités dans ce sens. le tourisme est une mane pour de nombreux pays qui font tout (et parfois n'importe quoi) pour les attirer et en tirer un max d'avantages. alors les lieux ou tu ne rencontreras pas de français sont nombreux. il suffit de t'assurer que ta destination ne figure dans aucun guide, qu'aucun tour opérator ne l'a a son progamme, qu'elle est tres mal déservie et difficile d'acces. avec de la perséverence tu trouveras peutetre un petit coin vierge de toute presence gauloise.
bon voyage
yoyo
si tu vas à guilgit à raswalpendhi kaboul taskent ou bagdag tu ne rencontreras pas ou peu de français ni meme d'européens ou americains en gros toutes les zones présumées dangereuses et médiatisées comme telles.
Bagdad ?!
pas besoin de risquer ta vie non plus pour être totalement dépaysé qq semaines 😉
Bagdad ?!
pas besoin de risquer ta vie non plus pour être totalement dépaysé qq semaines 😉
Faby
Tu caricature pas mal... Encore une fois, au Japon (mais il y a d'autres exemples bien sûr), excepté deux ou trois villes un peu touristiques, tu ne croises jamais un Français... Il y a pourtant des guides sur le japon, il y a pourtant des tours opérators qui proposent des voyages au Japon, et c'est un pays très bien desservi et pas dangeureux du tout. C'est juste que ce n'est pas une destination convoitée des touristes.
ho! la la! je caricature quoi?
je repond juste à la question qui était " dans quelle région du monde la densité de français est la plus faible?"
ben oui! je sais par expérience ou on a des chances de rencontrer des touristes (français ou autres) et ou on a le plus de chances de ne pas en rencontrer. alors au japon il y des tour operator et pas de touriste? pas de français? c'est possible!
mais je peux te citer quantité de lieux ou tu as moins de chance de rencontrer des français qu'au japon et sans nécéssairement risquer sa vie comme le dit l'autre.j'ai passer trois mois au balochistan et au cachemir avec des gens adorables sans voir un français et pas meme un européen, vas au zaire , au malawi, au belize au nicaragua, salvador en ethiopie, somalie au burundi ou rwanda; il y a des quantité d'exemple comme ça et je ne caricature rien, je répond à une question; a quoi rime ta polemique; tu es allé au japon et tu n'a pas rencontre de français? moi j'en ai vu plein. par contre en sibérie je n'en ai pas vu;
bon voyage
yoyo
Pourquoi tu t'énerves 😛 ? Il n'y a pas la moindre polémique dans mes propos...
Oui dans ce cas, ce ne sont pas seulement des français que l'on ne croise pas, mais des touristes, tout simplement.
Quand je dis que tu caricatures, c'est que tu laisses entendre qu'il faut aller dans des endroits peu accessibles, sans aucune infrastructure pour "échapper" aux Français. Ce qui n'est pas le cas...
Oui dans ce cas, ce ne sont pas seulement des français que l'on ne croise pas, mais des touristes, tout simplement.
Quand je dis que tu caricatures, c'est que tu laisses entendre qu'il faut aller dans des endroits peu accessibles, sans aucune infrastructure pour "échapper" aux Français. Ce qui n'est pas le cas...
mais je peux te citer quantité de lieux ou tu as moins de chance de rencontrer des français qu'au japon et sans nécéssairement risquer sa vie comme le dit l'autre
"l'autre", comme tu dis si bien, n'a fait que reprendre tes propos...
"l'autre", comme tu dis si bien, n'a fait que reprendre tes propos...
Faby
A Tachkent ? Pas d'infrastructure ? Je peut te donner plusieurs excellentes adresses à Tachkent. Bon, à Guilguit je n'ai qu'une adresse pas mal, mais c'est beaucoup plus petit comme ville et si je n'ai rien à te proposer à Rawalpindi, par contre je peux te proposer pas mal de trucs sympa à Islamabad à 40 kilomètres de Rawalpindi.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
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Certes, mais c'était bien toi qui disais que Tachkent, Gilgit ou Rawalpindi ( cités par Yoyobzh56) étaient "difficilement accessibles" et "sans infrastructures". Or l'Ouzbékistan ( Tachkent ) est tout à fait accessible, sans le moindre danger et avec une excellente infrastructure. Pour ce qui est du Pakistan si on évite les zones dites "tribales " ce qui est le cas de Gilgit et d'Islamabad qui se situent au nord est du Pakistan, ( les zone tribales elles, bordant l'Afghanistan à l'ouest ) c'est tout à fait accessible et pas trop risqué avec une infrastructure pas "grand tourisme"( quoi que ) tout à fait acceptable.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Peu de francophes à Riga, à Bratislava, en Hongrie, en Rép Tchécque(sauf à Prague), Croatie, Slovénie, Bosnie et Herzegovine
Quand j'ai visité Dubrovnik en 2006, sur les murailles de la ville ça ne parlait que... français. 😛 Pour le dépaysement je pouvais repasser...
Stef
Quand j'ai visité Dubrovnik en 2006, sur les murailles de la ville ça ne parlait que... français. 😛 Pour le dépaysement je pouvais repasser...
Stef
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Bien sur, ça dépent du lieux et des dates aussi, à Plitvika Jezera, on entendais pas mal parler français, mais dans le nord, c'était 99 0/0 d'allemand.🤪
Xavier.
All know that French fries are Belgian.
Certes, mais c'était bien toi qui disais que Tachkent, Gilgit ou Rawalpindi ( cités par Yoyobzh56) étaient "difficilement accessibles" et "sans infrastructures". Or l'Ouzbékistan ( Tachkent ) est tout à fait accessible, sans le moindre danger et avec une excellente infrastructure. Pour ce qui est du Pakistan si on évite les zones dites "tribales " ce qui est le cas de Gilgit et d'Islamabad qui se situent au nord est du Pakistan, ( les zone tribales elles, bordant l'Afghanistan à l'ouest ) c'est tout à fait accessible et pas trop risqué avec une infrastructure pas "grand tourisme"( quoi que ) tout à fait acceptable.
Non ce n'était pas moi qui évoquait des lieux difficiles d'accès, je ne faisais que citer en partie les propos de "yoyobzh56" (je ne suis personnellement jamais allé à Tachkent, je n'aurai donc pas pu dire de moi-même si c'était facilement accessible ou non...).
Non ce n'était pas moi qui évoquait des lieux difficiles d'accès, je ne faisais que citer en partie les propos de "yoyobzh56" (je ne suis personnellement jamais allé à Tachkent, je n'aurai donc pas pu dire de moi-même si c'était facilement accessible ou non...).
Relis le post en question de Yoyobzh56, il ne parle pas de lieux difficiles d’accès, dangereux ou sans infrastructures, il parle de lieux vantés par le guides touristiques ce qui n'est pas la même chose.
Par exemple, j'ai lu sur un autre forum de voyages que beaucoup de touristes se rendent à Tchernobyl pour.....pique-niquer ce qui est aussi dangereux que stupide parce qu'il y a des "voyages organisés " vers cette destination.
Il me semble que Yoyobzh soulignait la tendance de se rendre en "troupeau" vers des lieux élus "incontournables" par les seuls guides touristiques et que si on veut éviter de se retrouver au milieu de la foule touristique il vaut mieux éviter ces lieux.
Pour ma part, je ne suis pas très d'accord avec cette thèse je trouverais dommage par exemple, à aller au Pérou de se priver du Machu-Picchu ou de Nasca au prétexete qu'on risque d'y rencontrer beaucoup de touristes et que ce sont des lieux hautement recommandés par les guides touristiques, mais bon, chacun voit midi à sa porte.
Par exemple, j'ai lu sur un autre forum de voyages que beaucoup de touristes se rendent à Tchernobyl pour.....pique-niquer ce qui est aussi dangereux que stupide parce qu'il y a des "voyages organisés " vers cette destination.
Il me semble que Yoyobzh soulignait la tendance de se rendre en "troupeau" vers des lieux élus "incontournables" par les seuls guides touristiques et que si on veut éviter de se retrouver au milieu de la foule touristique il vaut mieux éviter ces lieux.
Pour ma part, je ne suis pas très d'accord avec cette thèse je trouverais dommage par exemple, à aller au Pérou de se priver du Machu-Picchu ou de Nasca au prétexete qu'on risque d'y rencontrer beaucoup de touristes et que ce sont des lieux hautement recommandés par les guides touristiques, mais bon, chacun voit midi à sa porte.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
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2)

After a quarter without dragging my slippers around here, even though I’d loudly declared I had no interest left in this site, here I am again!
My imagination never stays fallow for long. Just enough time for my inner land to rest. It gets overgrown with fresh nettles, the kind you can pick without getting stung. Then, it’s time to till the fragrant earth and let the story grow.
I hesitated over where to set this story. Maybe the Highlands, maybe the Hebrides, maybe the Orkney Islands, maybe the Shetland Islands. All of Scotland is myth—easy to embroider. But in the end, no. I’d almost be too afraid to bare my soul.
The story will take place at home. Simple, practical.
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This morning, I was up well before dawn, feeling a bit grumpy, but nothing a bowl of coffee won’t fix. I love my bowl, and no one dares take it. It’s porcelain, edged with intertwined blue flowers. On the bottom, it says "Revol." The factory has existed long before the Revolution. It was my great-grandmother’s bowl. She drank roasted barley from it during the war, then her Leroux chicory.
Last year, a little guy dropped it. My bowl broke into three pieces. A black anger vibrated deep inside me. The little boy was so upset, on the verge of tears. How could I scold him!
I picked up the three pieces and took Little Boy in my arms. His hair smelled of the light, sweet sweat of toddlers. A gentle hug that healed—his budding sorrow and my anger—everything vanished, and time carried on.
Today, my bowl is even prettier. Man fixed it using the traditional kintsugi technique, except he didn’t use gold powder or lacquer but superglue, and he delicately painted the cracks with woad blue. And my bowl is even more beautiful now.
I’m lingering, I can tell—it’s just that a story wraps itself in life, and life can’t be told in the snap of a finger. Life is long. Like in architecture, you start with a rough sketch, called a "sous-cul" (the initial pencil drawing), then you make a tracing, which is the work itself, the one you later carefully roll up in a wooden tube. Life is like that: you erase, you start over, you use the nub of the pencil until it’s tiny, but you keep going—dreaming, loving.
"Living is a full-time occupation, a unique adventure. Always a surprise and a wonder, which sometimes turns into astonishment. And, from time to time, happiness."*
Alright, enough digressing—this introduction is definitely too long. Tomorrow, I’ll get to the heart of the matter. (I hate that expression; it feels like I’m cutting into someone’s skin.)
*Jean d’Ormesson
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Without limiting ourselves to the countries mentioned above—Turkey and others could be added to the list.
I need to get dental reconstruction done, likely involving 6 implants. Which country offers the best quality of care, materials, and techniques?
Thanks
I need to get dental reconstruction done, likely involving 6 implants. Which country offers the best quality of care, materials, and techniques?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
Have a great day!
Yann
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
Have a great day!
Yann
hi there
I’d love to get some opinions—I’ve never used Airbnb before.
They’re offering a key handover via lockbox.
Any tips or advice?
Is it reliable?
Best,
Hi there, I’m Laura, and I’m looking for a few people to answer some questions so I can understand your travel wishes and challenges. It won’t take long—I can chat here, by email, or by phone. Don’t worry, I’m not selling anything! 😊
On this forum, we talk a lot about trekking in the Himalayas, but I’d love to share another side of Nepal: its spiritual, cultural, and religious atmosphere, especially in Kathmandu.
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Hi,
I’m landing in Quebec and then heading to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. I’d like to rent a pick-up. My question is: does this vehicle come with a cover and is it secure enough to store luggage in? I’ve heard two conflicting opinions. Thanks
I just installed the Maps.Me app on my phone. I only recently found out about this app. I’m traveling in 2 weeks and a few days, and I’m a bit stuck on how to use it.
I’m from the Montreal (Quebec) area, and I’d love to know if there’s a kind soul out there who could help me get started and use the app at least minimally.
If there are private lessons available, I’d be interested in those too.
Thanks in advance for your help. Simon
Thanks in advance for your help. Simon
Hi everyone,
I just found out there’s an update on the international driving permit. What was bound to happen has happened: it now costs (for now!!) 7 50 €. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/actualites/A18833
There’s also a link at the bottom of the article for the list of countries where it’s mandatory.
Have a great day! 😊
Christelle
I just found out there’s an update on the international driving permit. What was bound to happen has happened: it now costs (for now!!) 7 50 €. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/actualites/A18833
There’s also a link at the bottom of the article for the list of countries where it’s mandatory.
Have a great day! 😊
Christelle
Hello François, and the new team!
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
Best regards, Marine/eversmile
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
Best regards, Marine/eversmile
Hi there,
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport. Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers. I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right? Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost? Thanks for your help!
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport. Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers. I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right? Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost? Thanks for your help!
Hi,
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
Hi everyone,
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15. The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG. In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam. We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM. So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG. So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this? Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt. At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €. Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Thanks in advance!
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15. The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG. In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam. We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM. So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG. So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this? Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt. At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €. Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there!
I’m heading to Thailand for two months.
So I thought I’d get a Thai SIM card to use Google Maps for getting around cities, mostly.
Here’s my question: will this SIM affect my apps? Or will they work the same as with my Orange SIM?
Is there any setup I need to do, or can I just pop in the Thai SIM?
I’d also like to switch back to my Orange SIM now and then while I’m in Thailand—on the same phone. Will I need to reset the phone, or will it reconnect without any issues?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Best,
Huiclos
Just got back from Egypt a few days ago and couldn't exchange my 1900 Egyptian pounds at the airport. If anyone's interested, let me know!
Hi, I’d like to know where we can buy beer or wine in Chefchaouen and around Merzouga. We’ll be doing a circuit and staying at the Parador Hotel in Chefchaouen and in a bivouac in Merzouga.
Thanks for any info you can share!
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globe-trotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m launching a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of this journal will focus on opening up to the world, embracing differences, travel, global cultures, and more.
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
Hi there! I have to leave Ivato/Antananarivo on December 16th. I have a lot of ariary that I’d like to exchange for euros since I might not be coming back to Madagascar (after this 21st trip). I think the exchange office at Ivato also buys ariary back. If any of you have seen the rate for this buyback in advance, thanks a million!
Hi there, I use video and photo editing software for my "work".
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for a website that would let me plot my travel route in advance so I can print it out. The idea is to create a map with a little “me” on a bike that my parents can move along as I progress, since I’m planning to cycle all the way to Nepal.
If any of you have done something similar or know of a good tool, I’d love to hear your tips!
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi,
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
Hello. We’re a retired couple heading to Sri Lanka from January to March. After the November floods, I’d like to know if we can offer hands-on help to the locals, maybe pack some clothes or other items people might need in our luggage, and who we could give them to. Thanks for any info from those on the ground.
Hello,
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Hi,
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Hello,
A white rental Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 carrying foreign tourists was attacked at the entrance of Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park in the village of Bekopaka, western Madagascar, yesterday. So far, there’s been no response from the central government to curb these repeated armed attacks—usually between Malagasy people, but this time targeting foreign tourists.
A white rental Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 carrying foreign tourists was attacked at the entrance of Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park in the village of Bekopaka, western Madagascar, yesterday. So far, there’s been no response from the central government to curb these repeated armed attacks—usually between Malagasy people, but this time targeting foreign tourists.

Hello fellow travelers,
After an engine failure in mid-2016 on a long-haul flight from BRISBANE to LYON, I developed a persistent aviophobia that I’m struggling to shake off. It’s becoming more and more of a hindrance.
Up until now, I’ve been using an avoidance strategy (for example, avoiding destinations that would require any other mode of transport than a car or train), but lately, it’s become really limiting.
I’m looking for a therapist—either in-person or via video call—who could help me get past this hurdle.
Thanks in advance for your help!
After an engine failure in mid-2016 on a long-haul flight from BRISBANE to LYON, I developed a persistent aviophobia that I’m struggling to shake off. It’s becoming more and more of a hindrance.
Up until now, I’ve been using an avoidance strategy (for example, avoiding destinations that would require any other mode of transport than a car or train), but lately, it’s become really limiting.
I’m looking for a therapist—either in-person or via video call—who could help me get past this hurdle.
Thanks in advance for your help!