Avis sur itinéraire de quinze jours en Egypte
by Caropy
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Je pars avec une amie 15 jours début septembre pour l'Egypte. Dans l'idéal, avec un planning bien chargé (mais pas définitif si cela s'averrait trop difficile), nous voudrions faire:
le Caire, Louxor, Assouan, puis remonter par les oasis de Kharga Dakhla Farafra Bahareyya, le Caire. Même si l'envie de faire un tour dans la mer Rouge est forte, je ne pense vraiment pas que le temps nous le permette.
Nous voudrions savoir ce que vous en penser et avoir de vos bons conseils pour nous aider à planifier les jours qu'on devrai rester dans ces villes et plus particulièrement dans le désert lybique, combien de jours et comment (4x4, bus..) pour que notre voyage soit réalisable!
Merci d'avance.
Bonjour,
Cela me paraît tout à fait possible.
Disons....
J 1 à 3 - arrivée au Caire, visite de la ville après avoir acheté les billets de train pour Aswan... J 4 et 5 - autour de Aswan Remontée sur Louxor en une journée avec quelques visites en chemin... J 6 et 7 - autour de Louxor J 8 et 9 trajet pour Dakhla et Dakhla J 10 11 et 12 - entre Dakhla et Bahareyya avec le désert. J 13 et 14 Le Caire à nouveau.
Attention à toujours penser à l'étape suivante et à se préocuuper des billets de bus. On voyage très bien en servis entre les oasis, ceci dit.
Michel
Cela me paraît tout à fait possible.
Disons....
J 1 à 3 - arrivée au Caire, visite de la ville après avoir acheté les billets de train pour Aswan... J 4 et 5 - autour de Aswan Remontée sur Louxor en une journée avec quelques visites en chemin... J 6 et 7 - autour de Louxor J 8 et 9 trajet pour Dakhla et Dakhla J 10 11 et 12 - entre Dakhla et Bahareyya avec le désert. J 13 et 14 Le Caire à nouveau.
Attention à toujours penser à l'étape suivante et à se préocuuper des billets de bus. On voyage très bien en servis entre les oasis, ceci dit.
Michel
Salut,
Nous partons pour 4 semaines en egypte debut aout, nous hesitions a passer par dakhla et bahareyya a cause des temperatures. Le climat en aout doit etre proche de septembre... donc est ce possible (agreable) d'effectuer ce trajet durant cette periode ?
Oasis ou plage ? (dakhla ou hurghada) ?
Sinon notre itineraire ressemble a celui la.
Cordialement
sevlivas@wanadoo.fr
Nous partons pour 4 semaines en egypte debut aout, nous hesitions a passer par dakhla et bahareyya a cause des temperatures. Le climat en aout doit etre proche de septembre... donc est ce possible (agreable) d'effectuer ce trajet durant cette periode ?
Oasis ou plage ? (dakhla ou hurghada) ?
Sinon notre itineraire ressemble a celui la.
Cordialement
sevlivas@wanadoo.fr
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Bonjour,
De toutes façons dans les oasis il fait très chaud, alors juin ou septembre.... Mais en fait c'est une chaleur sèche, et le mode de vie est adapté, donc je pense que ce n'est pas un vrai problème.
Michel
De toutes façons dans les oasis il fait très chaud, alors juin ou septembre.... Mais en fait c'est une chaleur sèche, et le mode de vie est adapté, donc je pense que ce n'est pas un vrai problème.
Michel
Merci vous 2. Pour avoir un ordre d'idée combien de temps faut il compter pour des trajets comme le Caire-Assouan, Louxor-kharga, Kharga-Dakhla, Dakhla-Farafra, Farafra-Bahareyya, puis Bahareyya-Le Caire.
Et au cas où, le trajet Louxor-Quseir ou Edfou-Marsa Alam pour faire un plongeon dans la mer rouge (toujours en hypothèse).
Re....
Caire-Assouan 14 heures de train Louxor-kharga, variable, disons 3 heures Kharga-Dakhla, disons aussi 3 heures en bus ou servis Dakhla-Farafra, peut-être 2 heures Farafra-Bahareyya, peut-être 3 heures Bahareyya-Le Caire, 5 heures. Louxor-Quseir, au moins 4 heures, plutôt 5. Edfou-Marsa Alam, toute la journée.
Mais en Egypte, on part quand on part, et on arrive quand on arrive, inch'allah.
Michel
Caire-Assouan 14 heures de train Louxor-kharga, variable, disons 3 heures Kharga-Dakhla, disons aussi 3 heures en bus ou servis Dakhla-Farafra, peut-être 2 heures Farafra-Bahareyya, peut-être 3 heures Bahareyya-Le Caire, 5 heures. Louxor-Quseir, au moins 4 heures, plutôt 5. Edfou-Marsa Alam, toute la journée.
Mais en Egypte, on part quand on part, et on arrive quand on arrive, inch'allah.
Michel
Réponse conjuguée aux deux mails:
D'abord, petites précisions:
Louxor-Kharga: 5 heures ... quand la route est ouverte et il n'y a pas de services de bus, mais il y a aussi un train ... le jeudi A Bahareya, on est encore nulle part si on veut aller dans le désert blanc (et ce serait dommage de le rater) Faire Assouan-Louxor en une journée, avec arrêts à Kom Ombo et à Edfou, c'est impossible en raison des horaires des convois. Je leur conseillerai plutôt d'aller du Caire à Marsa Matruh puis oasis de Siwa, ensuite retour vers Alexandrie, train de nuit Alexandrie - Assouan et remontée vers Louxor en felouque.
Ce qui donnerait:
J 1 - arrivée au Caire, visite de la ville après avoir acheté les billets de train pour Marsa Matruh... J 2 à 4 - Marsa Matruh - Siwa- Alexandrie J 5 Alexandrie et, le soir, train vers Assouan J 6: Visite Assouan et début de la croisière en felouque J 9 Arrivée à Louxor J 10 à J 12: Visites à Louxor J 12 au soir: train de nuit vers Le Caire J 13 et 14 Le Caire à nouveau.
Enfin, c'est mon avis, moins de désert, plus de temps sur le Nil, les petits villages, le spéos d'Horemheb, la nuit, le Gebel Silsilah...
Alternance repos-visites aussi...
Louxor-Kharga: 5 heures ... quand la route est ouverte et il n'y a pas de services de bus, mais il y a aussi un train ... le jeudi A Bahareya, on est encore nulle part si on veut aller dans le désert blanc (et ce serait dommage de le rater) Faire Assouan-Louxor en une journée, avec arrêts à Kom Ombo et à Edfou, c'est impossible en raison des horaires des convois. Je leur conseillerai plutôt d'aller du Caire à Marsa Matruh puis oasis de Siwa, ensuite retour vers Alexandrie, train de nuit Alexandrie - Assouan et remontée vers Louxor en felouque.
Ce qui donnerait:
J 1 - arrivée au Caire, visite de la ville après avoir acheté les billets de train pour Marsa Matruh... J 2 à 4 - Marsa Matruh - Siwa- Alexandrie J 5 Alexandrie et, le soir, train vers Assouan J 6: Visite Assouan et début de la croisière en felouque J 9 Arrivée à Louxor J 10 à J 12: Visites à Louxor J 12 au soir: train de nuit vers Le Caire J 13 et 14 Le Caire à nouveau.
Enfin, c'est mon avis, moins de désert, plus de temps sur le Nil, les petits villages, le spéos d'Horemheb, la nuit, le Gebel Silsilah...
Alternance repos-visites aussi...
Salut....
"Faire Assouan-Louxor en une journée, avec arrêts à Kom Ombo et à Edfou, c'est impossible en raison des horaires des convois. "
Ah bon ? Moi je l'ai fait ; c'était même plutôt une demie journée un peu large.
Michel
"Faire Assouan-Louxor en une journée, avec arrêts à Kom Ombo et à Edfou, c'est impossible en raison des horaires des convois. "
Ah bon ? Moi je l'ai fait ; c'était même plutôt une demie journée un peu large.
Michel
Une demi journée "large" pour faire les 280 Km et en visitant ?🤪
Il faut déjà deux heures pour faire Louxor-Edfou !
Ah oui, une journée faisant 24 heures, 1/2 journée large en ferait 14 et alors là, oui ...🙂
Ou alors, tu avais comme chauffeur Mohamed Prost ou Ahmed Schumacher et tu as visité à la vitesse T.O. ...🙂🙂🙂
Euh....
En fait moi les temples je m'en fiche un peu, donc à Kom Ombo je suis allé discuter avec les gamins, et à Edfou je suis allé au souk ; il me semble bien que le convoi s'est arrêté une heure dans l'un et l'autre, mais départ tôt le matin, peut-être 7 heures... J'étais à Louxor avant 14 heures.
Michel
En fait moi les temples je m'en fiche un peu, donc à Kom Ombo je suis allé discuter avec les gamins, et à Edfou je suis allé au souk ; il me semble bien que le convoi s'est arrêté une heure dans l'un et l'autre, mais départ tôt le matin, peut-être 7 heures... J'étais à Louxor avant 14 heures.
Michel
Mais alors, ne partez pas deux semaines mais au moins trois, si vous ne voulez pas visiter au pas de course.
Ce n'est déjà pas facile de combiner le désert et une simple descende du Nil en deux semaines.
Si vous voulez y ajouter le désert noir, le Caire et Louxor, ma réponse est nette: Pas possible, à moins de courir sans arrêts.
Et pour el désert blanc et le désert noir, il vous faudra un 4x4 loué au Caire ou à Louxor (avec chauffeur, bien sûr, dont coût, sur base de 5 passagers: 500 euros pp.
C'est le prix à payer pour avoir quelque chose de sérieux.
Et si vous n'êtes que deux, ce sera alors 1000 euros pp rien que pour le désert...
Oui, je sais, les bus etc....
Eh bien moi, je dis que pour un premier voyage en Egypte, quand on n'y connait rien, non !
Alors, ce sera soit le désert et Le Caire, soit Le Caire et le Nil mais les trois ensemble, pôur un début, c'est trop, surtout si vous voulez y aller à l'économie avec les moyens de transport collectifs.
C'est à négocier, mais c'est assez cher ; je me souviens que pour Dakhla ça devait se jouer dans les 500 Egp... Donc c'est moins loin.... A voir...
Michel
Michel
Ah oui!! 550LE pour le train, jmy attendais pas!
Question timing vaut peut etre mieux faire comme tu l'as dit Louxor-Dakhla! ensuite Dakhla-Farafra en 2h de bus, Farafra-Bahareyya en 3h de bus mais où quand comment prévoir une petite virée dans le désert blanc?! puis pour finir donc Bahareyya-Le Caire 5h de bus. Une grande semaine sur le Nil et une petite dans le désert pourrait finalement être un bon compromis!
Euh.... Non le train c'est sûrement beaucoup moins ; je parle du taxi spécial.
Oui, le timing n'est pas mal, là ; et Kharga c'est pas terrible...
Michel
Michel
Même si je t'ai répondu en privé, je l'écris ici aussi:
Avec les bus, tu arrives à l'oasis, tu débarques et puis ... plus rien ! Une oasis, cela s'étend parfois sur plus de 30 Km ! Il est beaucoup plus simple, pour les visiter, de partir du Caire et de faire un itinéraire comme ceux proposés par Céline, de "Merveilleuse Egypte". Là au moins, vous aurez un véhicule 4x4, donc pas de problèmes pour aller au désert blanc qui est quand même à une centaine de Km de Bahareya, vos logements sont assurés (et "safe"), vous voyagez aussi à votre rythme, bref l'idéal. Mais pour un premier voyage, deux filles seules n'ayant pas un minimum d'expérience du pays, le désert seules en bus, je ne le conseille vraiment pas.
Avec les bus, tu arrives à l'oasis, tu débarques et puis ... plus rien ! Une oasis, cela s'étend parfois sur plus de 30 Km ! Il est beaucoup plus simple, pour les visiter, de partir du Caire et de faire un itinéraire comme ceux proposés par Céline, de "Merveilleuse Egypte". Là au moins, vous aurez un véhicule 4x4, donc pas de problèmes pour aller au désert blanc qui est quand même à une centaine de Km de Bahareya, vos logements sont assurés (et "safe"), vous voyagez aussi à votre rythme, bref l'idéal. Mais pour un premier voyage, deux filles seules n'ayant pas un minimum d'expérience du pays, le désert seules en bus, je ne le conseille vraiment pas.
Bonjour,
Quelques petites questions... c'est des travaux qu'il y a entre Qift-Quseir et Edfou-Marsa Alam pour que ces routes ne soient pas accessible et qu'on doivent faire le grand tour par Qena-Safaga pour ensuite allez à Quseir et Marsa Alam?
Nous avons aucune information sur la fin de ses travaux?
Si pour septembre ces travaux sont terminer il faut compter combien de temps et d'argent pour y aller en bus? Et pour quelques heures de plongée pour 1ère fois (baptème) comment ça se passe: prix, location, club...
Merci d'avance,
Caroline
Bonjour,
Il se peut qu'il y ait des travaux, mais la vraie raison c'est que l'on decourage les etrangers de la prendre.
Certains l'ont fait, mais cela suppose une certaine experience des deals avec la police, et je ne suis pas certain que ce soit votre cas ni votre intention...
Michel
Il se peut qu'il y ait des travaux, mais la vraie raison c'est que l'on decourage les etrangers de la prendre.
Certains l'ont fait, mais cela suppose une certaine experience des deals avec la police, et je ne suis pas certain que ce soit votre cas ni votre intention...
Michel
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!




