Mauvaise réputation des touristes à l'étranger
by Ete2007
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
j'apprend que le touriste français est très mal vu hors-frontière, l'américain est méprisé (a cause de Bush) et le français évité !
faut se dire quoi ? belge, suisse, luxembourgeois...
French ? oh my god!
Faut pas généralisé, les thais savent très bien faire la différence entre ceux qui respectent et ceux qui arrivent en pays conquis ou pas correct .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Au Cambodge et au Laos, les Francais sont globalement appreciés...
Roger
Justement, c'était ma question :peut-on peut generaliser d'après la franchise des résultats statistiques ?
French ? Oh my god !
Non je ne pense pas .
Non je ne pense pas .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
salut,
si je peux te rassurer y a pas plus mépriser que nous les arabes, on nous mérpise partout non vs les français vs passer partout
si je peux te rassurer y a pas plus mépriser que nous les arabes, on nous mérpise partout non vs les français vs passer partout
si apprendre coûte trop chère essayez l'ignorance
T'as vu le reportage de France2 (relayé par TV5) qui disait que les Français étaient parmi les pires touristes du monde (sondage réalisé auprès de fournisseurs de services touristiques en Allemagne et en Italie) alors que les américains et les japonais parmi les meilleurs?
Pénibles, jamais contents ni satisfaits des services, pingres avec les pourboires, toujours en train de se plaindre, de s'énerver, de ronchonner, de crier, ... pas mal même s'il y a des touristes français très agréables également!
Perso je ne dis jamais (rarement) que je suis Suisse pour éviter le cliché Suisse = riche, ni français (mauvaise réputation) mais parfois Belge (tout le monde ne connaît pas les histoires belges!) ou Liechtensteinois (personne ne connaît!).
Perso je ne dis jamais (rarement) que je suis Suisse pour éviter le cliché Suisse = riche, ni français (mauvaise réputation) mais parfois Belge (tout le monde ne connaît pas les histoires belges!) ou Liechtensteinois (personne ne connaît!).
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
ce post est un peu decourageant, je constate personellement que chacun peut etre desagreable que ce soit dans son propre pays ou ailleurs, c'est vrai que les Francais sont parfois un peu trop pretentieux et pensent tout savoir mais j'ai l'impression que tout s'arrange avec les annees😎, c'est comme les blagues qu'on faisaient sur nous, encore une fois, l'education et la culture peuvent faire la difference ....
Une chose est sûre, il faut faire quelque chose !!!!!!
Maigre consolation, en Thailande il y a une autre nationalité qui a encore pire réputation que les Français...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
je suis désolé, mais ce post n'a aucun intéret ;
car je suis français et ne me sens pas concerné du tout par les informations de masse et mon éducation m'a fait voyager dans le monde et bien reçu par tous !
ce genre d'info, est d'une inutilité rare, car c'est stigmatisé les uns contre les autres !
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Maigre consolation, en Thailande il y a une autre nationalité qui a encore pire réputation que les Français...
Les Corses? Oups désolé fortini j'avais pas vu que tu étais la...😉😉😄😏😏😛
Les Corses? Oups désolé fortini j'avais pas vu que tu étais la...😉😉😄😏😏😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Il peut cependant avoir un intérêt s'il attire l'attention des futurs voyageurs sur leur comportement. Et notamment en groupe. Malheureusement dans un groupe de français entre autres, c'est souvent le plus petit dénominateur commun qui l'emporte. A savoir le raleur fait plus de bruit que le poli. Il n'est pas inutile que ses compagnons de voyage lui rappellent. Et si tous les occidentaux pouvaient comprendre que chipoter pour dix baths n'est pas un jeu qui amuse forcément les autochtones....
je suis désolé, mais ce post n'a aucun intéret ; car je suis français et ne me sens pas concerné du tout par les informations de masse et mon éducation m'a fait voyager dans le monde et bien reçu par tous ! ce genre d'info, est d'une inutilité rare, car c'est stigmatisé les uns contre les autres !
je suis désolé, mais ce post n'a aucun intéret ; car je suis français et ne me sens pas concerné du tout par les informations de masse et mon éducation m'a fait voyager dans le monde et bien reçu par tous ! ce genre d'info, est d'une inutilité rare, car c'est stigmatisé les uns contre les autres !
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
henri,
il n'y a pas pire qu'un groupe, de quelques nationalité soit il ;
l'éducation est individuelle, mais tu as raison, nous pouvons agir sur les autres en nous montrant " bien" et que cela se voit !
certains peuvent y trouver matière a reflexion !
il y a malheureusement un vieux dicton
" chasse le naturel, il revient au galop "
donc moi j'en ai pris mon partie depuis longtemps, je fais de "l'élitisme ", je ne fréquentes pas les cons 😏
quand au petit singe suisse, méfies toi, je vais te croquer tout cru 😏😏😏
quand au petit singe suisse, méfies toi, je vais te croquer tout cru 😏😏😏
trouver son chemin personnel a travers le chemin initiatique du voyage
Je ne crois pas qu'on m'ait jamais reproché d'être français, bien au contraire. Mais il est évident qu'une même personne percevra différemment un touriste français en fonction de son comportement: ah, la France, quel beau pays, et si cultivé... ah, encore un français. Veuillez rester poli, hein?
faut se dire quoi ? belge, suisse, luxembourgeois...
Dis toi français et justement participes à la remontée de la réputation des français en tourisme à l'étranger, en étant sympathique, patient, et toujours souriant...comme moi ! regarde: 🙂 ma compagne et mes enfants sont pareils, regardes: 🙂🙂🙂
Dis toi français et justement participes à la remontée de la réputation des français en tourisme à l'étranger, en étant sympathique, patient, et toujours souriant...comme moi ! regarde: 🙂 ma compagne et mes enfants sont pareils, regardes: 🙂🙂🙂
Tu ne te sens pas concerné parce que tu fais probablement partie de la majorité des Français qui se comportent tout à fait correctement lorsqu'ils sont en vacances. Malheureusement tous ne sont pas comme toi et c'est bien dommage. Je vis à Phuket et je croise régulièrement des touristes français qui incarnent parfaitement les clichés énumérés par les professionnels du tourisme. Evidemment ce n'est qu'une minorité mais c'est ceux que tout le monde remarque. Cette remarque est valable pour toutes les nationalités.
Et quoi qu'on en dise, quand je dis que je suis Suisse, la réponse (des Thaïs) est: "oh, so you have big money!" Qu'est-ce que j'y peux?
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
Salut,
Je suppose que tu l'as lu dans le journal ""Le Parisien"" aujourd'hui on en parle là http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1099950#1099950
Je suppose que tu l'as lu dans le journal ""Le Parisien"" aujourd'hui on en parle là http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1099950#1099950
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Avant de s'auto-flageller, il faut bien se souvenir que cette enquete a ete faite aupres d'hotelier europeens... et non aupres de la population.
De plus, contrairement a ce que j'ai pu lire precedement (et si on parle bien de la meme enquete, celle de GFK), les americains arrivent second, parce qu'ils lachent plus de fric !
Enfin bref, c'est du grand n'importe quoi...
Et c'est pas ça qui me fera arreter de gueuler quand un hotelier me prendra pour un pigeon. Je laisse aux autres le plaisir de payer un petit dej 15 euros pour 1 tasse d'eau chaude et un morceau de pain rassit !
De plus, contrairement a ce que j'ai pu lire precedement (et si on parle bien de la meme enquete, celle de GFK), les americains arrivent second, parce qu'ils lachent plus de fric !
Enfin bref, c'est du grand n'importe quoi...
Et c'est pas ça qui me fera arreter de gueuler quand un hotelier me prendra pour un pigeon. Je laisse aux autres le plaisir de payer un petit dej 15 euros pour 1 tasse d'eau chaude et un morceau de pain rassit !
Touristes français: pourquoi ils sont détestés Hélène Foyer
Jamais content, impoli: le vacancier hexagonal n'a rien d'un enfant de choeur. C'est du moins ce que révèle une étude européenne sur les bons et mauvais touristes, rendue publique jeudi, qui place les Français bons derniers, loin derrière les Japonais
as de quoi crier cocorico. Les touristes Français ne sont pas seulement râleurs. Ils apparaissent aussi comme réfractaires aux langues étrangères, fort peu curieux en matière culinaire, impolis et radins. Ce joli portrait émane de l’étude des meilleurs et pires touristes en Europe du voyagiste en ligne Expédia, réalisé par GfK et rendu publique jeudi. Cent cinquante mille hôteliers venus de 12 pays européens ont été interrogés pour établir ce hit-parade.
Seul atout : le look Le vacancier issu de l’Hexagone ne se distingue qu’en matière vestimentaire : il soigne son look, tout comme son homologue italien et espagnol. Les "fashion victims" sont latins. Pour le reste, le portrait-robot du touriste français est peu amène: une fois à l'étranger, il s'accroche à la langue de Molière, semble considérer que le boeuf et la baguette de pain sont plus dignes d'intérêt que des mets plus exotiques et fait preuve d'impolitesse. Serait-ce un excès de gauloiserie?
En net progrès : les Américains La grande percée de ce classement vient des citoyens du pays de l’oncle Sam. On les disait bruyants, sans gêne voire grossiers. Les voici propulsés au deuxième rang du palmarès. Leur principale qualité ? Mettre facilement la main au porte-monnaie. Ainsi, 36% des hôteliers interrogés se disent être à leurs petits soins pour s’assurer qu’ils ne manquent de rien. Pendant ce temps, les Français, eux, définissent avant même de partir le montant de leurs dépenses…
Palme d'or aux Japonais And the winner is…Japanese! Discrets, curieux, polis, respectueux des coutumes du pays hôte: tels sont les Japonais. Bref, le touriste idéal que tout hôtelier rêve de recevoir. Et en plus, ces vacanciers-là laissent leur chambre propre. C'est ce qui s'appelle une leçon de savoir-vivre.
as de quoi crier cocorico. Les touristes Français ne sont pas seulement râleurs. Ils apparaissent aussi comme réfractaires aux langues étrangères, fort peu curieux en matière culinaire, impolis et radins. Ce joli portrait émane de l’étude des meilleurs et pires touristes en Europe du voyagiste en ligne Expédia, réalisé par GfK et rendu publique jeudi. Cent cinquante mille hôteliers venus de 12 pays européens ont été interrogés pour établir ce hit-parade.Seul atout : le look Le vacancier issu de l’Hexagone ne se distingue qu’en matière vestimentaire : il soigne son look, tout comme son homologue italien et espagnol. Les "fashion victims" sont latins. Pour le reste, le portrait-robot du touriste français est peu amène: une fois à l'étranger, il s'accroche à la langue de Molière, semble considérer que le boeuf et la baguette de pain sont plus dignes d'intérêt que des mets plus exotiques et fait preuve d'impolitesse. Serait-ce un excès de gauloiserie?
En net progrès : les Américains La grande percée de ce classement vient des citoyens du pays de l’oncle Sam. On les disait bruyants, sans gêne voire grossiers. Les voici propulsés au deuxième rang du palmarès. Leur principale qualité ? Mettre facilement la main au porte-monnaie. Ainsi, 36% des hôteliers interrogés se disent être à leurs petits soins pour s’assurer qu’ils ne manquent de rien. Pendant ce temps, les Français, eux, définissent avant même de partir le montant de leurs dépenses…
Palme d'or aux Japonais And the winner is…Japanese! Discrets, curieux, polis, respectueux des coutumes du pays hôte: tels sont les Japonais. Bref, le touriste idéal que tout hôtelier rêve de recevoir. Et en plus, ces vacanciers-là laissent leur chambre propre. C'est ce qui s'appelle une leçon de savoir-vivre.
Bonjour,
Ce qui est gênant, c'est la malhonnêteté intellectuelle qu'il y a à faire passer ça pour de la science ou du journalisme ; on y apprend que les hôteliers préfèrent les clients pas regardants et qui n'ont pas les repères de la valeur des choses ; belle découverte.
Michel
Ce qui est gênant, c'est la malhonnêteté intellectuelle qu'il y a à faire passer ça pour de la science ou du journalisme ; on y apprend que les hôteliers préfèrent les clients pas regardants et qui n'ont pas les repères de la valeur des choses ; belle découverte.
Michel
bon aller j apporte ma pierre a l edifice, j ai grandi a saint raphael et j ai fait environ une dizaine de saisons de 16 a 25 ans.Voila mon sentiment sur les touristes, la palme d or revient de loin au belges, je les adoraient toujours souriant, accomodant, blagueurs, et surtout contents. Ensuite je suis tout a fait d accord avec celle qui vous a recommander d aller voir les plages apres le passages de touriste venant de pays soi disant super ecolo, canette de biere, papiers par terre etc...... Les francais sont deux groupes les juilletistes, en general les patrons les cadres les gens aises quoi, tres exigeant mais polis, les aoutiens moins aises moins exigeant(une moule frite et un quart rose)mais souvent moins civilises excusez moi mais c es un peu vrai.Pas de gros problemes avec les anglais, on dirait qu ils se croit encore pendant la guerre de cent ans et essaient d etre le plus discrets possibles, les scandinaves viennent en groupes tres polis au debut un peu moins apres les 5 bouteille de roses etc etc etc .Attention des exception sont a faire partout.Pour ma part, je suis enchante d avoir un passeport francais et je me suis senti toujours bien accueilli.Meme en cote d ivoire d ou je reviens recement j ai trouvé les gens adorables avec moi.......Mais je ne me consideres jamais en terrain conquis, peut etre ca le secret
si l effort est trop grand pour la faiblesse humaine
de pardonner les maux qui nous viennent d autrui
epargnes toi au moins les tourments de la haine
et a defaut du pardon , laisse venir l oubli
Pourquoi renier ses origines ? Dommage, alors que je suis persuadée que c'est uniquement des "images". Des moutons noirs existent partout....
Victoria
Il m'est arrivé d'avoir honte du comportement de certains français à l'étranger, idem pour des etrangers en France et à l'étranger .
Les français sont très bien vus au Sénégal par exemple, où les vieux qui ont servi dans l'armée française ont un véritable culte de la France. Ce qui me fait m'interroger : après avoir été assservis, aux premiers rangs de chair à canons, ils ne nous en veulent pas et restent très fiers de la France. Va savoir ! en tout cas, ils nous aiment beaucoup, reste à savoir si les jeunes vont conserver ce culte avec le problème d'émigration "choisie".
Mais qu'importe après tout, si tu rencontres les Autres dans un esprit de partage et d'échange là où tu es, je ne vois pas pourquoi on ne t'aimerait pas.
Géli😉
Le sondage dont il est question commandé par Expédia.fr ne vaut pas grand chose car il ne précise pas une donnée statistique essentielle : le nombre et la catégorie de touristes jugés pour chaque nationalité.
Il semble évident que les touristes japonais et américains venant en Europe soient socialement plutôt des nantis (mieux appréciés des hôteliers et peu regardants sur les arnaques éventuelles) alors que les touristes français voyageant en Europe rassemblent des catégories plus variées et plus nombreuses.
Ce sondage reflète tout au plus la facilité, la banalisation et l'importance des congés et temps libres dans les différents pays. Là aussi comme par hazard, les mieux classés sont les moins bien lotis et inversement.
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I picked up the three pieces and took Little Boy in my arms. His hair smelled of the light, sweet sweat of toddlers. A gentle hug that healed—his budding sorrow and my anger—everything vanished, and time carried on.
Today, my bowl is even prettier. Man fixed it using the traditional kintsugi technique, except he didn’t use gold powder or lacquer but superglue, and he delicately painted the cracks with woad blue. And my bowl is even more beautiful now.
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The story will take place at home. Simple, practical.
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Last year, a little guy dropped it. My bowl broke into three pieces. A black anger vibrated deep inside me. The little boy was so upset, on the verge of tears. How could I scold him!
I picked up the three pieces and took Little Boy in my arms. His hair smelled of the light, sweet sweat of toddlers. A gentle hug that healed—his budding sorrow and my anger—everything vanished, and time carried on.
Today, my bowl is even prettier. Man fixed it using the traditional kintsugi technique, except he didn’t use gold powder or lacquer but superglue, and he delicately painted the cracks with woad blue. And my bowl is even more beautiful now.
I’m lingering, I can tell—it’s just that a story wraps itself in life, and life can’t be told in the snap of a finger. Life is long. Like in architecture, you start with a rough sketch, called a "sous-cul" (the initial pencil drawing), then you make a tracing, which is the work itself, the one you later carefully roll up in a wooden tube. Life is like that: you erase, you start over, you use the nub of the pencil until it’s tiny, but you keep going—dreaming, loving.
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I need to get dental reconstruction done, likely involving 6 implants. Which country offers the best quality of care, materials, and techniques?
Thanks
I need to get dental reconstruction done, likely involving 6 implants. Which country offers the best quality of care, materials, and techniques?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
Have a great day!
Yann
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
Have a great day!
Yann
hi there
I’d love to get some opinions—I’ve never used Airbnb before.
They’re offering a key handover via lockbox.
Any tips or advice?
Is it reliable?
Best,
Hi there, I’m Laura, and I’m looking for a few people to answer some questions so I can understand your travel wishes and challenges. It won’t take long—I can chat here, by email, or by phone. Don’t worry, I’m not selling anything! 😊
On this forum, we talk a lot about trekking in the Himalayas, but I’d love to share another side of Nepal: its spiritual, cultural, and religious atmosphere, especially in Kathmandu.
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Hi,
I’m landing in Quebec and then heading to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. I’d like to rent a pick-up. My question is: does this vehicle come with a cover and is it secure enough to store luggage in? I’ve heard two conflicting opinions. Thanks
I just installed the Maps.Me app on my phone. I only recently found out about this app. I’m traveling in 2 weeks and a few days, and I’m a bit stuck on how to use it.
I’m from the Montreal (Quebec) area, and I’d love to know if there’s a kind soul out there who could help me get started and use the app at least minimally.
If there are private lessons available, I’d be interested in those too.
Thanks in advance for your help. Simon
Thanks in advance for your help. Simon
Hi everyone,
I just found out there’s an update on the international driving permit. What was bound to happen has happened: it now costs (for now!!) 7 50 €. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/actualites/A18833
There’s also a link at the bottom of the article for the list of countries where it’s mandatory.
Have a great day! 😊
Christelle
I just found out there’s an update on the international driving permit. What was bound to happen has happened: it now costs (for now!!) 7 50 €. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/actualites/A18833
There’s also a link at the bottom of the article for the list of countries where it’s mandatory.
Have a great day! 😊
Christelle
Hello François, and the new team!
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
Best regards, Marine/eversmile
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
Best regards, Marine/eversmile
Hi there,
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport. Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers. I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right? Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost? Thanks for your help!
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport. Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers. I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right? Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost? Thanks for your help!
Hi,
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
Hi everyone,
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15. The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG. In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam. We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM. So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG. So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this? Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt. At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €. Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Thanks in advance!
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15. The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG. In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam. We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM. So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG. So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this? Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt. At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €. Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there!
I’m heading to Thailand for two months.
So I thought I’d get a Thai SIM card to use Google Maps for getting around cities, mostly.
Here’s my question: will this SIM affect my apps? Or will they work the same as with my Orange SIM?
Is there any setup I need to do, or can I just pop in the Thai SIM?
I’d also like to switch back to my Orange SIM now and then while I’m in Thailand—on the same phone. Will I need to reset the phone, or will it reconnect without any issues?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Best,
Huiclos
Just got back from Egypt a few days ago and couldn't exchange my 1900 Egyptian pounds at the airport. If anyone's interested, let me know!
Hi, I’d like to know where we can buy beer or wine in Chefchaouen and around Merzouga. We’ll be doing a circuit and staying at the Parador Hotel in Chefchaouen and in a bivouac in Merzouga.
Thanks for any info you can share!
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globe-trotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m launching a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of this journal will focus on opening up to the world, embracing differences, travel, global cultures, and more.
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
Hi there! I have to leave Ivato/Antananarivo on December 16th. I have a lot of ariary that I’d like to exchange for euros since I might not be coming back to Madagascar (after this 21st trip). I think the exchange office at Ivato also buys ariary back. If any of you have seen the rate for this buyback in advance, thanks a million!
Hi there, I use video and photo editing software for my "work".
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for a website that would let me plot my travel route in advance so I can print it out. The idea is to create a map with a little “me” on a bike that my parents can move along as I progress, since I’m planning to cycle all the way to Nepal.
If any of you have done something similar or know of a good tool, I’d love to hear your tips!
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi,
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
Hello. We’re a retired couple heading to Sri Lanka from January to March. After the November floods, I’d like to know if we can offer hands-on help to the locals, maybe pack some clothes or other items people might need in our luggage, and who we could give them to. Thanks for any info from those on the ground.
Hello,
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Hi,
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Hello,
A white rental Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 carrying foreign tourists was attacked at the entrance of Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park in the village of Bekopaka, western Madagascar, yesterday. So far, there’s been no response from the central government to curb these repeated armed attacks—usually between Malagasy people, but this time targeting foreign tourists.
A white rental Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 carrying foreign tourists was attacked at the entrance of Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park in the village of Bekopaka, western Madagascar, yesterday. So far, there’s been no response from the central government to curb these repeated armed attacks—usually between Malagasy people, but this time targeting foreign tourists.

Hello fellow travelers,
After an engine failure in mid-2016 on a long-haul flight from BRISBANE to LYON, I developed a persistent aviophobia that I’m struggling to shake off. It’s becoming more and more of a hindrance.
Up until now, I’ve been using an avoidance strategy (for example, avoiding destinations that would require any other mode of transport than a car or train), but lately, it’s become really limiting.
I’m looking for a therapist—either in-person or via video call—who could help me get past this hurdle.
Thanks in advance for your help!
After an engine failure in mid-2016 on a long-haul flight from BRISBANE to LYON, I developed a persistent aviophobia that I’m struggling to shake off. It’s becoming more and more of a hindrance.
Up until now, I’ve been using an avoidance strategy (for example, avoiding destinations that would require any other mode of transport than a car or train), but lately, it’s become really limiting.
I’m looking for a therapist—either in-person or via video call—who could help me get past this hurdle.
Thanks in advance for your help!