Randonnée chamelière dans le désert marocain?
by Rogerlapin
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je pars quelques jours au Maroc en novembre et j'aimerais faire un méharée dans le désert de 5- 6 jours avec nuits en bivouac. Je n'y connais rien et n'ai pas un gros budget.
Quelqu'un a t il déjà fait ce genre de randonnée chamelière et pourrait me conseiller: où aller (je pense à Mhamid ou Zagora), quel itinéraire choisir, faut il réserver à l'avance, où réserver, quel en est le prix......?
Bref toutes les infos sont les bienvenues.
Merci d'avance de votre aide
RL
Salut,
Avec ce genre de post tu va t'attiré tout les rabateurs du Sud !!!!!!!!!!!
Mais pour répondre à ta question, Si tu va jusqu'à Zagora ou M'Hamid par tes propre moyen tu n'aura que l'embarras du choix entre toutes les petites agences locales sur place. Le moins cher la bas n'éxiste pas compare les prix, les prestations, le lieux, etc .... Si tu veux du désert de pierre fais plutôt un départ de sagora, si tu préfére le sable part de M'Hamid je pense que sur place tu drais trouver une méharée si tu est seul pour 230 à 300 Dirham par jour et encore à toi de te montré un fervant négociateur !!!!
Aprés compte le trajet pour allé dans le sud, si tu arrive à Marrakech c'est 10 h de bus ou 6 à 8 h de voitures (taxi ou autre) il vaut mieux arrivé sur Ouarzazate tu gagne une demie journée, M'Hamid est à 250 Km de Ouarzazate, Trés variable selon le mode de transport entre 250 et 500 Dirham
Bon voyages
P-S Si tu te laisse tenté par du rabattage ici fait toi envoyé un devis trés précis et vérifie si l'agence ou "l'organisation"à une patente
Bon séjour le Maroc !!!! est un pays super pour celui qui sait laisser ses préjugés occidentaux à l'aéroport!!! et le désert c'est super !!!!!!!!
bonsoir,
* ***une méharée si tu est seul pour 230 à 300 Dirham par jour ***
C'est tout juste le tarif d'un guide correct, ensuite il faut rajouter le chamelier et ses chameaux, un chouia plus cher qu'un muletier, puis la pension complète de tout ce petit groupe. Je crains que le tarif que tu annonces soit un peu optimiste, pour un groupe au dela de 5 ou 6, déja difficile à obtenir, mais pas pour 1 personne..
Les tarifs proposés par la plupart des agences pour 5j/4nuits varient de 350, à 500 euros/pax.
En tout cas je souhaiterais voir les tarifs des rabatteurs qui doivent remplir sa boite de MP ! A Mhamid, tout peut arriver ! c'est la jungle !
* ***une méharée si tu est seul pour 230 à 300 Dirham par jour ***
C'est tout juste le tarif d'un guide correct, ensuite il faut rajouter le chamelier et ses chameaux, un chouia plus cher qu'un muletier, puis la pension complète de tout ce petit groupe. Je crains que le tarif que tu annonces soit un peu optimiste, pour un groupe au dela de 5 ou 6, déja difficile à obtenir, mais pas pour 1 personne..
Les tarifs proposés par la plupart des agences pour 5j/4nuits varient de 350, à 500 euros/pax.
En tout cas je souhaiterais voir les tarifs des rabatteurs qui doivent remplir sa boite de MP ! A Mhamid, tout peut arriver ! c'est la jungle !
Bonsoir Rogerlapin,
Je pars aussi au Maroc en Novembre, j'y serai du 8 au 17 avec méharée de 5 jours avec guides, dromadaires... dans le désert de Mhamid. Le but est d'aller jusqu'aux dunes de Chegaga.
Arrivée à Marrakech le 8 puis descente direct jusqu'au campement pour démarrer le lendemain.
Si ça t'interesse de nous accompagner, n'hésites pas à me contacter sur mon mp : babsvideira@gmail.com
A+
Babs
Arobabs
Merci pour l'invitation, mais les dates ne coincident pas avec mon voyage, trop tôt pour moi.
Par contre peux tu me donner plus de détails sur ta randonnée, programme, prix et où as tu reservé?
Merci
Voici les tarifs, relevés sur un site qui fait beaucoup de pubs sur ce forum, et qui est assez représentatif :
TARIFS La méharée : tout compris hébergement, nourriture, guide francophone, dromadaires
60 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base d'une personne et d'un jour 55 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base d'une personne et de plusieurs jours 50 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de deux personnes et d'un jour 45 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de deux personnes et de plusieurs jours 40 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de 3 à 7 personnes 35 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de 8 personnes et plus 35 € par jour et par enfant de - 12 ans Sur la base d'un jour 30 € par jour et par enfant de - 12 ans Sur la base de plusieurs jours l
60 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base d'une personne et d'un jour 55 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base d'une personne et de plusieurs jours 50 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de deux personnes et d'un jour 45 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de deux personnes et de plusieurs jours 40 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de 3 à 7 personnes 35 € par jour et par personne (adulte) Sur la base de 8 personnes et plus 35 € par jour et par enfant de - 12 ans Sur la base d'un jour 30 € par jour et par enfant de - 12 ans Sur la base de plusieurs jours l
Merci pour ces indications,
penses tu que ce soit moins cher sur place sachant que je ne suis pas un pro de la négociation?
ou vaut il mieux faire la réservation à l'avance
Bonsoir,
J'aurais tendance à te conseiller la réservation d'avance. tu tapes 'méharée Maroc' sur google et tu auras des agences qui en proposent ! par mail il sera possible de demander "le meilleur prix" ! en basse saison, comme en novembre, un miracle peut avoir lieu, surtout après la mauvaise saison touristique..
Sur place la réduction que tu pourrait retirer sera au prix de tracasseries et d'énervements, et il faudra voir plusieurs prestataires pour avoir un départ te convenant.
La réponse qui t'a été faite sur un autre forum et qui privilégie Merzouga, n'est pas dénuée de bon sens ! Toutes les auberges proposent des méharées de qualité, et beaucoup plus pro que sur Zagora ou Mhamid ou il y a moins d'expérience et plus de rabatteurs.
J'aurais tendance à te conseiller la réservation d'avance. tu tapes 'méharée Maroc' sur google et tu auras des agences qui en proposent ! par mail il sera possible de demander "le meilleur prix" ! en basse saison, comme en novembre, un miracle peut avoir lieu, surtout après la mauvaise saison touristique..
Sur place la réduction que tu pourrait retirer sera au prix de tracasseries et d'énervements, et il faudra voir plusieurs prestataires pour avoir un départ te convenant.
La réponse qui t'a été faite sur un autre forum et qui privilégie Merzouga, n'est pas dénuée de bon sens ! Toutes les auberges proposent des méharées de qualité, et beaucoup plus pro que sur Zagora ou Mhamid ou il y a moins d'expérience et plus de rabatteurs.
Hello
Monsieur raoulx qui connait bien le Maroc devrait voir d'un peu plus prés ce qui se passe !!!!!! vue sur le site internet d'une agence en France :
Méharée de 5 jours de marche en pension complète + 2 nuits d'hôtel + transfert A/R Ouarzazate Zagora = 390 euros par personne pour un groupe de 2 à 5 personnes et 355 Euros si + de 6 !!!!
J'en conclus donc que toutes ces agences sur place se gavent largement sur le dos des pigeons voyageurs!!!!!!!!!!
Pascal
Je crains que tu n'ais pas tout compris,
je me moque de qui se sucre ou pas, puisque la question n'est pas posée, ( même si je connais la réponse), j'annonce les tarifs que je connais, et ceux que je vois pratiquer, pour essayer de répondre à une question !
Ton exemple ne prouve rien!
355 euros Ouarzazate/Ouarzazate 1 semaine, le classique, ça nous met à 3900 dh! Tu enlèves 100 dh de transferts (tarif commercial largement supérieur au prix coutant). 2 nuits d'hotel à 100 dh (dans une double à 200, prix client, pas agence!). reste 3600 dh pour 5 jours de rando, la journée de rando couterait 720 dh.
On est dans une fourchette "cher", de plus payé en euros, il n'est pas évident que tout profite aux prestataires locaux et que des impots et taxes soient payés la dessus (c'est un peu ce qui fait vivre aussi un pays !!).
Ton exemple ne prouve rien!
355 euros Ouarzazate/Ouarzazate 1 semaine, le classique, ça nous met à 3900 dh! Tu enlèves 100 dh de transferts (tarif commercial largement supérieur au prix coutant). 2 nuits d'hotel à 100 dh (dans une double à 200, prix client, pas agence!). reste 3600 dh pour 5 jours de rando, la journée de rando couterait 720 dh.
On est dans une fourchette "cher", de plus payé en euros, il n'est pas évident que tout profite aux prestataires locaux et que des impots et taxes soient payés la dessus (c'est un peu ce qui fait vivre aussi un pays !!).
Salut Roger!
Bon, en fait réserver ou pas dépend de ton type de voyage. Je suis parti a la roots avec mon copain ds tte l'Afrique et nous n'avons rien reserver d'avance. Ce qui nous a permis, étant en période Non touristique, de bénéficier de prix canon!! Si tu n'as pas bcp de tun, je te conseille vraiment de partir et voir sur place.
2 genres de désert différents: Merzouga, c'est une énorme dune de sable un peu oranger impressionnante, ms pas étendue du tt. Ca frole le faux....
L'autre, plus vrai, M'Hamid. Plus typique et super vaste. Joli aussi. Tu te sens réellement isolé et dépaysé! C'est là où nous avons fait du chameau. 3 jours et 2 nuits pour presque rien!! Nous avons sympatisé avec notre faux guide, qui a été extra ainsi que notre cuisto, un amour lui aussi. Je peux te donner leur coordonnées et tu pourrais directement négocier avec eux. Je te les recommande chaudement!!
Titemu, qui te souhaite de rendre heureux tous les gens que tu croiseras, quels qu'ils soient!
J'arrive un peu en retard, mais je peux te recommander un guide à Amezrou (sud de Zagora) avec qui je suis parti déjà plusieurs fois: dromadiare2exp@yahoo.fr
Il s'appelle Ali Chouaki. C'est une vrai rencontre de voyage.
Tu peux le contacter de ma part: Roland.
Il y a beaucoup de guides, plus ou moins officiels, plus ou moins compétents. C'est la rançon de la nécessité de trouver des moyens pour vivre et faire vivre sa famille dans ce pays par ailleurs admirable.
Celui-là, je peux m'en porter garant.
Pour le prix, effectivement, c'est plutôt 50€ par jour tout compris. Mais variable en fonction du nombre, du circuit, etc. Et de la négociation. Méfie toi quand même de ceux qui baissent vite les prix.
Il y a d'autres guides sympa qui oeuvrent par ailleurs dans une association locale pour la scolarisation des nomades du Feija: horizon_zagora@yahoo.fr
Si tu cherches un vrai contact, je pense que tu le trouveras.
Partager, c'est une vielle utopie!
bonjour ami ! je connai un trés bon guide qui est biensur un ami à moi . Si tu veux plus d'info contacte moi je suis à ta disposition😉
touareg...J'ai toujours aimé le désert. On s'assoit sur une dune de sable. On ne voit rien. On n'entend rien. Et cependant quelque chose rayonne en silence.
bjr, jacques de taroudant...une indication qui en vaut bien d'autres....spécialiste s'il en est à zagora..la famille azizi qui est partenaire a fond avec croq'nature de france..
C'est une asso tres au fait des meharées et des rando désert...équitable..etc;..etc... une adresse qui vaut son pesant d'or...allez-y sur le site croqnature.com de ma part..succès assuré...bon voyage
Salam makoum
Bonjour,
Mon amie et moi préparons un voyage au Maroc pour septembre. Nous souhaitons nous faire un petit séjour de 3/4 jours dans le désert mais nous ne savons pas trop par quel bout nous y prendre. Vu que ton expérience du côté de M'Hamid semble avoir été géniale, pourrais-tu nous donner les coordonnées de tes guides pour que nous puissions prendre contact avec eux?
Si tu as d'autres bons tuyaux pour passer un bon séjour (10 jours), n'hésite pas, nous sommes preneurs!
Merci,
Steven
Quand je vais dans le désert, je vais chez Saïd à l'erg du Juif. Pour 10 jours au mois de septembre vous pourrez faire du désert et un peu de montagne. N'oubliez pas que si vous partez les deux premières décades, c'est le ramadan.
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Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!
Merci aux membres de voyageforum qui nous ont fait part de leurs expériences! Nous avons passé 3 jours formidables à "La Kasbah la Palmeraie" à Skoura. Arrivant de Marrakech (superbe route en décrochant après le col de Tichka via Telouet, Ait-Benhaddou), le séjour à la Palmeraie n'a été que du bonheur: accueil chaleureux de Mohammed et Ghizlane, délicieux petits déjeuners sur la terrasse dominant la palmeraie, (pain cuit au four en terre, crêpes au miel préparées par Ghizlane), repas du soir non moins délicieux et copieux, en famille, autour d'un bon feu. Nous nous sentions comme "chez soi" et avons beaucoup appris sur le mode de vie de la région. Les balades proposées étaient toujours intéressantes et hors des circuits touristiques de masse. De là, le vallée et les Gorges du Dades , la vallée des Amandiers (superbe!), la palmeraie. Il y a des Kasbahs magnifiques dans la région dont celle de nos hôtes. Une autre façon de "visiter" le Maroc!
