Touriste noir en Inde du nord
by Afriqui
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je cherche des témoignages de couples mixtes (black&white) qui ont voyagé en Inde DU NORD.
Comment les indiens réagissent-ils avec les touristes black?
Nous sommes deux français, je suis blanche, mon mari est black, nous désirons aller en Inde en famille mais je n'ai aucune idée des réactions que pourront avoir les indiens à son égard.
Une année à Varanasi, j'avais fait connaissance d'un jeune du Kenya qui étudiait à la Banaras Hindu University... il avait beaucoup à dire sur le sujet... malheureusement, mon niveau d'anglais ne m'a pas permis d'échanger en profondeur...
Je suis intéressée par chacun de vos témoignages.
Merci.
J'avais fait une autre réponse, mais "Big Brother" (en l'occurrence ... Big Sister) n'aime pas mon humour et m'a censuré ... 😉
En fait, sais-tu que certaines populations de l'Inde, et notamment celles de la côte de Malabar, sont aussi noires de peau que beaucoup d'africains ?
En fait, sais-tu que certaines populations de l'Inde, et notamment celles de la côte de Malabar, sont aussi noires de peau que beaucoup d'africains ?
mishnou
Bonjour Mishnou,
En fait, j'ai lu plusieurs ouvrages sur des tribus aborigènes de l'Inde.
Mais beaucoup d'indiens eux-mêmes ignorent qu'il y a des indiens vraiment noirs.
Pour ma part, les seuls blacks que j'ai vu en Inde (mais je ne connais que le Nord de l'Inde), étaient à Delhi, à Paharganj pour être précise, à essayer de faire du business avec les touristes.
Et puis ce jeune du Kenya qui vivait à Bénares... sinon, je n'ai jamais croisé de touristes blacks, d'où ma question...
En fait, je me pose simplement la question de savoir quelles seront les réactions des indiens en gén��ral en face de mon mari. Et comment sera perçu le métissage de notre couple, et de notre enfant.
Ceci dit, c'est juste une question, par curiosité et non pas par inquiètude.
Je ne sais pas pourquoi ta réponse a été censurée... j'espère ne pas être maladroite dans ma question...
... non, non, ta question n'est absolument pas maladroite !
Quant à ma première réponse censurée, j'y faisais seulement un peu d'humour (noir, bien sûr 😉) en te disant de façon laconique : "ils les mangent !".
Oui je sais, c'est bête, mais en aucune façon méchant ... 😏
... apparemment, tout le monde ne peut pas le comprendre, dommage ...!
Quant à ma première réponse censurée, j'y faisais seulement un peu d'humour (noir, bien sûr 😉) en te disant de façon laconique : "ils les mangent !".
Oui je sais, c'est bête, mais en aucune façon méchant ... 😏
... apparemment, tout le monde ne peut pas le comprendre, dommage ...!
mishnou
Salut Afriqui,
J'ai eu rencontré des blacks qui voyagaient en Inde... Pas évident...
Attitude raciste de la part des indiens qui méprisent facilement les blacks.
Le teint de la peau est lié au système de castes. Les brahmans ont plutôt la peau claire et plus tu decends dans les castes, plus elle fonce. Ce qui est dû à l'invasion des aryens (clairs, actuellement les Brahmans) venant de Perse qui ont chassé devant eux les tribus arborigènes autochtones, à peau foncée. Ces derniers forment aujourd'hui la grande majorité des intouchables.
Selon le système des castes, donc, peau foncée = intouchables...
Triste, mais une réalité. Peut-être qu'à proximité des universités, l'attitude est-elle différente ? Beaucoup de Kenyans y étudient, notamment le droit, celui de l'Inde et du Kenya étant très proches...
Attitude raciste de la part des indiens qui méprisent facilement les blacks.
Le teint de la peau est lié au système de castes. Les brahmans ont plutôt la peau claire et plus tu decends dans les castes, plus elle fonce. Ce qui est dû à l'invasion des aryens (clairs, actuellement les Brahmans) venant de Perse qui ont chassé devant eux les tribus arborigènes autochtones, à peau foncée. Ces derniers forment aujourd'hui la grande majorité des intouchables.
Selon le système des castes, donc, peau foncée = intouchables...
Triste, mais une réalité. Peut-être qu'à proximité des universités, l'attitude est-elle différente ? Beaucoup de Kenyans y étudient, notamment le droit, celui de l'Inde et du Kenya étant très proches...
shiva108
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Je serai du même avis que Shiva malheureusement...
J'ai rencontré une amie australienne (jolie blonde), mariée avec un black anglais, les indiens étaient jaloux, ne comprennaient pas...
Mais si vous voyagez avec votre petit bout, j'imagine que leurs reactions seraient bien differentes... J'espère 😄
Fainéanter dans un monde neuf est la plus absorbante des occupations... (N.Bouvier)
Bonjour,
Ma femme n'est pas vraiment black, mais d'Amérique latine, métis d'un peu de tout. En fait, en Inde du Nord, elle ressemblait +++ aux Indiennes. Un jour, un commerçant lui a offert un tika (truc que les Hindoues se collent sur le front). Elle se l'est collé sur le front et nous sommes sortis. Peu après, nous avons croisé des Hindous (des hommes donc). Ils nous ont fusillé du regard, croyant qu'une Hindoue avait épousé un chrétien occidental. C'est la seule fois que j'ai vu de la méchanceté dans le regard d'Indiens.
Je pense que les Indiens peuvent être "racistes", mais que cela est lié à leur valeur pur/impur. D'ailleurs, au niveau des castes, les dalits sont souvent foncés de peau par rapport au brahmans. Enfin en Inde du nord, je ne connais pas le sud. Qu'en pensez-vous?
Philippe
Ma femme n'est pas vraiment black, mais d'Amérique latine, métis d'un peu de tout. En fait, en Inde du Nord, elle ressemblait +++ aux Indiennes. Un jour, un commerçant lui a offert un tika (truc que les Hindoues se collent sur le front). Elle se l'est collé sur le front et nous sommes sortis. Peu après, nous avons croisé des Hindous (des hommes donc). Ils nous ont fusillé du regard, croyant qu'une Hindoue avait épousé un chrétien occidental. C'est la seule fois que j'ai vu de la méchanceté dans le regard d'Indiens.
Je pense que les Indiens peuvent être "racistes", mais que cela est lié à leur valeur pur/impur. D'ailleurs, au niveau des castes, les dalits sont souvent foncés de peau par rapport au brahmans. Enfin en Inde du nord, je ne connais pas le sud. Qu'en pensez-vous?
Philippe
Si tu pleures parce que tu as perdu le soleil, tes larmes t'empêcheront de voir les étoiles
Salut,
Le racisme, c'est plusieurs choses qui s'emboîtent.
Tout d'abord, c'est croire en l'existence de races. Ensuite, c'est les hiérarchiser (croire que certaines races seraient supérieures à d'autres). Enfin, c'est de croire sa propre race suèroeure aux autres.
Maintenant, il y a d'autres types de ségrégation, ne pas aimer tel ou tel type de personnes, les vieux, les jeunes, les homosexuel(le)s, les pratiquants de telle ou telle religion, et j'arrête là! C'est pour cela que j'avais mis le mot raciste entre guimets.
Philippe
Le racisme, c'est plusieurs choses qui s'emboîtent.
Tout d'abord, c'est croire en l'existence de races. Ensuite, c'est les hiérarchiser (croire que certaines races seraient supérieures à d'autres). Enfin, c'est de croire sa propre race suèroeure aux autres.
Maintenant, il y a d'autres types de ségrégation, ne pas aimer tel ou tel type de personnes, les vieux, les jeunes, les homosexuel(le)s, les pratiquants de telle ou telle religion, et j'arrête là! C'est pour cela que j'avais mis le mot raciste entre guimets.
Philippe
Si tu pleures parce que tu as perdu le soleil, tes larmes t'empêcheront de voir les étoiles
salut philippe,
moi je me pose plusieurs questions, peut etre seras tu en mesure de me répondre.pourquoi les indiens dévisagent ils les indiennes quand elles sont avec des européens alors qu'ils me semblent que l'inverse est toléré(?)... que voient ils en l'européen pour désaprouver cela? en ce qui concerne "les blacks", suivant"le degrès"de la couleur de la peau ils font la distinction entre les castes, ok. mais ils voient bien quand même q'ils sont différents qu'eux, c'est à dire qu'ils ont des traits de visages complètements différents à les leurs.ils savent bien aussi que l'afrique et les africains éxistent?
merci
béné🙂
moi je me pose plusieurs questions, peut etre seras tu en mesure de me répondre.pourquoi les indiens dévisagent ils les indiennes quand elles sont avec des européens alors qu'ils me semblent que l'inverse est toléré(?)... que voient ils en l'européen pour désaprouver cela? en ce qui concerne "les blacks", suivant"le degrès"de la couleur de la peau ils font la distinction entre les castes, ok. mais ils voient bien quand même q'ils sont différents qu'eux, c'est à dire qu'ils ont des traits de visages complètements différents à les leurs.ils savent bien aussi que l'afrique et les africains éxistent?
merci
béné🙂
Bénédicte
http://blog.bharatadesign.com
Ces six ne doivent jamais être abandonnés : Fidélités, générosité, bonne humeur, amitié, pardon et contentement.
Mahâbhârata.
bonjour, bonjour
(je ne connais que l'Inde du nord)
Ah propos des castes, cela m'est déjà arrivé de faire des trajet dans les bus indiens avec un ougandais (et en plus il parlais un peu français!🙂) ou un nigérians, et bhé je peux dire que j'ai pas vu de racisme envers eux et en fait je leur ai même paussé la question (dans un anglais approximatif) et il semblerait que c'est surtout l'argent qui gouverne le "racisme" en Inde. En gros si t'es intouchable et pauvres là tu es vraiment très mal partit dans la vie, mais si tu es un intouchable(ou un africain bien noir) riche alors du coup tu deviens plus respectable, dans les classes moyennes que j'ai fréquenté, même si les castes sont encore très importantes, le truc le plus important c'est l'osseille!!!
Pour les couples indienne-blanc, c'est simple pour eux : une fille doit rester vierge jusqu'au mariage(avec un indien) si la fille (oulalah!!!! elle a renié sa famille!!) si une indienne est avec un blanc alors c'est sûr elle est devenue dévergondé, elle couche avec le premier venu qui a un peu d'argent.....(les blancs on (un peu) une réputation de coucher avec n'importe qui, moyennant argent....) mais bon, ça n'empêche pas qu'il y a 60 000 prostitué à Mumbai et c'est pas les touristes qui vont les voir...
Oui bien sur ceux qui ont un peu d'instruction savent que les africains existent! (mais la moitié de la pop indienne ne sait pas ou peu lire...) Si ils savent faire la différence? ben ya des étudiants africains qui font leur études à Delhi ou d'autres villes indiennes, donc ils en ont tous un peu déjà vue... mais ils peuvent aussi penser qu'ils font partit d'une minorité éthnique peu connue du sud de l'Inde.
que voient ils en l'européen pour désaprouver cela
ben ils nous voyent comme des pompes à fric (sans moralité en plus, et juste bon à s'émouvoir du premier mendiants qu'ils voient). "ON" peut tout corrompre avec notre argent : vendeurs, mebndiants, policiers, hotels et..... les filles indiennes...
un autre Philippe😉
(je ne connais que l'Inde du nord)
Ah propos des castes, cela m'est déjà arrivé de faire des trajet dans les bus indiens avec un ougandais (et en plus il parlais un peu français!🙂) ou un nigérians, et bhé je peux dire que j'ai pas vu de racisme envers eux et en fait je leur ai même paussé la question (dans un anglais approximatif) et il semblerait que c'est surtout l'argent qui gouverne le "racisme" en Inde. En gros si t'es intouchable et pauvres là tu es vraiment très mal partit dans la vie, mais si tu es un intouchable(ou un africain bien noir) riche alors du coup tu deviens plus respectable, dans les classes moyennes que j'ai fréquenté, même si les castes sont encore très importantes, le truc le plus important c'est l'osseille!!!
Pour les couples indienne-blanc, c'est simple pour eux : une fille doit rester vierge jusqu'au mariage(avec un indien) si la fille (oulalah!!!! elle a renié sa famille!!) si une indienne est avec un blanc alors c'est sûr elle est devenue dévergondé, elle couche avec le premier venu qui a un peu d'argent.....(les blancs on (un peu) une réputation de coucher avec n'importe qui, moyennant argent....) mais bon, ça n'empêche pas qu'il y a 60 000 prostitué à Mumbai et c'est pas les touristes qui vont les voir...
Oui bien sur ceux qui ont un peu d'instruction savent que les africains existent! (mais la moitié de la pop indienne ne sait pas ou peu lire...) Si ils savent faire la différence? ben ya des étudiants africains qui font leur études à Delhi ou d'autres villes indiennes, donc ils en ont tous un peu déjà vue... mais ils peuvent aussi penser qu'ils font partit d'une minorité éthnique peu connue du sud de l'Inde.
que voient ils en l'européen pour désaprouver cela
ben ils nous voyent comme des pompes à fric (sans moralité en plus, et juste bon à s'émouvoir du premier mendiants qu'ils voient). "ON" peut tout corrompre avec notre argent : vendeurs, mebndiants, policiers, hotels et..... les filles indiennes...
un autre Philippe😉
Philippe
"Chaque jour, fais un peu plus que ce que tu pensais possible de faire!"
"Chaque jour, fais un peu plus que ce que tu pensais possible de faire!"
Salut,
Le racisme, c'est plusieurs choses qui s'emboîtent.
Tout d'abord, c'est croire en l'existence de races.
Salut Philippe, Je ne savais pas que "croire à l'existence des races " c'était du racisme. Les races existent et elles sont égales. Elles sont égales, mais elles sont différentes. Pour moi il y a deux formes de racisme. 1) La première forme de racisme, la plus grossière, c'est celle qui consiste à croire qu'il y a des "races supérieures" et des "races inférieures", et de vouloir dominer les autres races. C'est celui que tu décris. 2) La deuxième forme de racisme ne respecte pas la différence. Les races sont égales, mais différentes. Chacun à le droit d'être diférent. Chaque race à le droit d'exister, et toutes les races son égales. Ne pas reconnaître les races, c'est ne pas reconnaître la différence. Donc pour moi, la deuxième forme de racisme, la plus perverse, est celle qui consiste à dire que les races n'existent pas, car cette attitude ne respecte pas les diférences. Que la Paix soit avec toi.
Le racisme, c'est plusieurs choses qui s'emboîtent.
Tout d'abord, c'est croire en l'existence de races.
Salut Philippe, Je ne savais pas que "croire à l'existence des races " c'était du racisme. Les races existent et elles sont égales. Elles sont égales, mais elles sont différentes. Pour moi il y a deux formes de racisme. 1) La première forme de racisme, la plus grossière, c'est celle qui consiste à croire qu'il y a des "races supérieures" et des "races inférieures", et de vouloir dominer les autres races. C'est celui que tu décris. 2) La deuxième forme de racisme ne respecte pas la différence. Les races sont égales, mais différentes. Chacun à le droit d'être diférent. Chaque race à le droit d'exister, et toutes les races son égales. Ne pas reconnaître les races, c'est ne pas reconnaître la différence. Donc pour moi, la deuxième forme de racisme, la plus perverse, est celle qui consiste à dire que les races n'existent pas, car cette attitude ne respecte pas les diférences. Que la Paix soit avec toi.
Saalut,
Le fait est qu'une société accepte beaucoup plus facilement qu'un homme de cette société épouse une femme de l'extérieur que le contraire. C'est un trait relativement général.
Ici, en Suisse, il y a peu, lorsqu'un suisse épousait une étrangère, celle-ci recevait immédiatement le passeport suisse. Lorsqu'une suissesse épousait un étranger, il recevait un permis de séjour de 2ème catégorie (permis B). Maintenant, la loi a changé, et il y a égalité de traitement. L'étranger ou l'étrangère reçoit un permis B.
Pour le reste de ta question, je ne sais pas. S'il y a un anthropologue sur le forum il pourrait certainement répondre.
Philippe
Le fait est qu'une société accepte beaucoup plus facilement qu'un homme de cette société épouse une femme de l'extérieur que le contraire. C'est un trait relativement général.
Ici, en Suisse, il y a peu, lorsqu'un suisse épousait une étrangère, celle-ci recevait immédiatement le passeport suisse. Lorsqu'une suissesse épousait un étranger, il recevait un permis de séjour de 2ème catégorie (permis B). Maintenant, la loi a changé, et il y a égalité de traitement. L'étranger ou l'étrangère reçoit un permis B.
Pour le reste de ta question, je ne sais pas. S'il y a un anthropologue sur le forum il pourrait certainement répondre.
Philippe
Si tu pleures parce que tu as perdu le soleil, tes larmes t'empêcheront de voir les étoiles
Salut,
Je suis un peu gêné pour te répondre car tes remarques sont fausses et si je m'y mets, je vais devoir m'étaler un peu. Excuse-moi donc par avance, d'autant que je suis sensible à ce sujet.
Je n'ai jamais dit que croire qu'il y ait des races soit du racisme, mais que pour être raciste il faut d'adord croire dans l'existence des races. Ce n'est pas la même chose.
Il ne faut pas confondre races et différences. Les différences existent, mais pas les races. Le terme de race relève de le génétique des populations, et la génétique des populations démontre qu'il n'y a aucun sous-ensemble stable de traits qui se pertpétue d'une génération à la suivante. En gros, soit il faut admettre qu'il y a une seule race, celle des humains, ou six millards de races car nous sommes tous différents (si je fais l'impasse sur les vrais jumeaux).
Généralement, pour ceux qui y croient, les races sont définies selon la couleur de la peau. Lorsque j'étais étudiant, j'ai appris que la couleur de la peau était gouvernée par 8 gènes (maintenant, je ne sais pas où en est la recherche à ce niveau). Mais toutes les combinaisons de 8 gènes deux par deux, cela fait 256 possibilités. Donc il y aurait 256 races! Mais pourquoi choisir la couleur de la peau et pas celle des yeux ou des cheveux ou les groupes sanguins ou autre chose encore?
Alors voilà, nous sommes tous différents, égaux en droits, devoirs et dignité; et il n'y a pas races!
Tu peux lire "Eloge de la différence" d'Albert Jaccard, il explique ça bien mieux que moi.
Philippe
Que la paix soit avec nous.
Je suis un peu gêné pour te répondre car tes remarques sont fausses et si je m'y mets, je vais devoir m'étaler un peu. Excuse-moi donc par avance, d'autant que je suis sensible à ce sujet.
Je n'ai jamais dit que croire qu'il y ait des races soit du racisme, mais que pour être raciste il faut d'adord croire dans l'existence des races. Ce n'est pas la même chose.
Il ne faut pas confondre races et différences. Les différences existent, mais pas les races. Le terme de race relève de le génétique des populations, et la génétique des populations démontre qu'il n'y a aucun sous-ensemble stable de traits qui se pertpétue d'une génération à la suivante. En gros, soit il faut admettre qu'il y a une seule race, celle des humains, ou six millards de races car nous sommes tous différents (si je fais l'impasse sur les vrais jumeaux).
Généralement, pour ceux qui y croient, les races sont définies selon la couleur de la peau. Lorsque j'étais étudiant, j'ai appris que la couleur de la peau était gouvernée par 8 gènes (maintenant, je ne sais pas où en est la recherche à ce niveau). Mais toutes les combinaisons de 8 gènes deux par deux, cela fait 256 possibilités. Donc il y aurait 256 races! Mais pourquoi choisir la couleur de la peau et pas celle des yeux ou des cheveux ou les groupes sanguins ou autre chose encore?
Alors voilà, nous sommes tous différents, égaux en droits, devoirs et dignité; et il n'y a pas races!
Tu peux lire "Eloge de la différence" d'Albert Jaccard, il explique ça bien mieux que moi.
Philippe
Que la paix soit avec nous.
Si tu pleures parce que tu as perdu le soleil, tes larmes t'empêcheront de voir les étoiles
merci aux deux philippe de m'avoir répondu....
je trouve que c'est un sujet bien trop délicat....😕
béné🙂
je trouve que c'est un sujet bien trop délicat....😕
béné🙂
Bénédicte
http://blog.bharatadesign.com
Ces six ne doivent jamais être abandonnés : Fidélités, générosité, bonne humeur, amitié, pardon et contentement.
Mahâbhârata.
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tu n'existes pas a leurs yeux, les indiens ignorent les blacks car a leurs origines ils (on) étaient des blacks "verifie l'histoires des îles andamars" c'est des gens types africain alors quand les indiens avaient compris que leurs origines vennaient de ces îles " ces îles sont devenues interdites a toutes personnes étrangère a ce demander si le tsunami n'a pas rendu service a l'inde en passant sur ces îles. olrs mon cher ami même avec des millions de roupies tu ne sera jamais maradjah a leurs yeux mais un intouchable qui a eu de la chance et qui a l'honneur de partager la vie d'un blanc.
Dsl mais tu le constateras sur place mais profite bien de tes vacances
bonjour amis du monde
On avait dit pas mal de choses sur le sujet dans cette discussion:
http://voyageforum.com/voyage/des_africains_en_inde_D1007426/
Si tu ouvres tes yeux d'enfant, le voyage commence au seuil de ta maison
si t'es intouchable et pauvres là tu es vraiment très mal partit dans la vie, mais si tu es un intouchable(ou un africain bien noir) riche alors du coup tu deviens plus respectable
ça me rappelle un pays que je connais bien : La France d'aujourd'hui...................... Par contre intouchable riche ou pas tu ne te mélange pas avec les autres castes.
ça me rappelle un pays que je connais bien : La France d'aujourd'hui...................... Par contre intouchable riche ou pas tu ne te mélange pas avec les autres castes.
Carpe Diem
Salut à tous les deux,
Je me permets de donner mon avis sur la question étant allé une dizaine de fois en Inde ( Nord et Sud). Tout d'abord je suis franco-guinéen, métisse blanc-noir, avec une tête de marocain, antillais, brésilien, indien, ...( ca dépend de mon interlocuteur). Votre question est intéressante et les réponses aussi d'ailleurs. Les africains sont assez mal vus en Inde, ils sont considérés comme des voleurs, des dealers... Tu peux croiser quelques africains à Bombay et dans d'autres villes (surtout Kényans ou Soudanais). En tant que touriste tu n'auras aucun problème au quotidien. Mon expérience indienne me fait dire que concrètement, et à ce niveau-là, ce qui compte est le passeport et la nationalité. Si tu as un passeport européen, américain ou australien, un sac à dos et que tu voyages avec d'autres "blancs", ils comprendront tout de suite que tu es là en touriste. Dans tous les cas, les indiens n'ennuient pas les gens dans la rue à cause de leur tête, de leur aspect ou autre. Ceux qui t'emmerdent dans la rue le font pour te vendre quelque chose ou pour gagner un peu d'argent avec toi. Les seuls problèmes de cet ordre que j'ai eu sont en arrivant dans certains hôtels, ou le guichetier en me voyant me dit d'aller chercher ailleurs et en voyant mon passeport, s'excuse et me donne une chambre. Je ne veux pas généraliser mais j'ai eu beaucoup plus de problèmes de cet ordre en France qu'en Inde. Pour la deuxième partie de la question, j'y ai voyagé avec ma copine, blanche, et nous n'avons eu aucun problèmes particuliers lié à notre couleur ou quoi. Les indiens sont soit mariés soit vierges soit adeptes des prostitués, en très gros...Ils sont tous "attirés" par les femmes occidentales : que tu sois blanc, noir, ou rouge, si tu es avec une blanche, ca va les exciter... J'adore l'Inde, y vais presque tous les ans et ne sens aucun problème avec çà. C'est vrai que les africains ont une très mauvaise image dans la société, mais les individus ne sont pas méchants ni chiants. Personnellement, je pense que vous n'aurez aucun probléme au niveau de la couleur de peau pendant votre voyage.
Ce qui est excellent, c'est que les indiens ne se considèrent pas comme noirs, qu'ils soient tout blanc dans le Nord ou tout noir dans le sud ils ne se voient pas noir et ca les fait meme rire qu'on les prenne pour çà.
Je pense que vous aurez d'autres questionnement sur place, et les émotions ressenties là-bas seront d'un tout autre ordre. Je comprends cette question car avant un voyage en Chine ( annulé) j'avais posté un même mesage sur ce forum pour avoir des retours de couples ayant eu cette expérience. J'avais d'ailleurs eu le même style de réponse de gens très sympas mais n'étant pas noir, n'ayant pas voyagé en Inde avec un noir et n'en ayant d'ailleurs souvent jamais vu là-bas.
Bon voyage, et j'espère que l'Inde vous plaira autant qu'à moi.
Le monde de demain appartiendra aux couples mixtes et aux enfants issus de ces couples mixtes, je le crois sincèrement.
Je me permets de donner mon avis sur la question étant allé une dizaine de fois en Inde ( Nord et Sud). Tout d'abord je suis franco-guinéen, métisse blanc-noir, avec une tête de marocain, antillais, brésilien, indien, ...( ca dépend de mon interlocuteur). Votre question est intéressante et les réponses aussi d'ailleurs. Les africains sont assez mal vus en Inde, ils sont considérés comme des voleurs, des dealers... Tu peux croiser quelques africains à Bombay et dans d'autres villes (surtout Kényans ou Soudanais). En tant que touriste tu n'auras aucun problème au quotidien. Mon expérience indienne me fait dire que concrètement, et à ce niveau-là, ce qui compte est le passeport et la nationalité. Si tu as un passeport européen, américain ou australien, un sac à dos et que tu voyages avec d'autres "blancs", ils comprendront tout de suite que tu es là en touriste. Dans tous les cas, les indiens n'ennuient pas les gens dans la rue à cause de leur tête, de leur aspect ou autre. Ceux qui t'emmerdent dans la rue le font pour te vendre quelque chose ou pour gagner un peu d'argent avec toi. Les seuls problèmes de cet ordre que j'ai eu sont en arrivant dans certains hôtels, ou le guichetier en me voyant me dit d'aller chercher ailleurs et en voyant mon passeport, s'excuse et me donne une chambre. Je ne veux pas généraliser mais j'ai eu beaucoup plus de problèmes de cet ordre en France qu'en Inde. Pour la deuxième partie de la question, j'y ai voyagé avec ma copine, blanche, et nous n'avons eu aucun problèmes particuliers lié à notre couleur ou quoi. Les indiens sont soit mariés soit vierges soit adeptes des prostitués, en très gros...Ils sont tous "attirés" par les femmes occidentales : que tu sois blanc, noir, ou rouge, si tu es avec une blanche, ca va les exciter... J'adore l'Inde, y vais presque tous les ans et ne sens aucun problème avec çà. C'est vrai que les africains ont une très mauvaise image dans la société, mais les individus ne sont pas méchants ni chiants. Personnellement, je pense que vous n'aurez aucun probléme au niveau de la couleur de peau pendant votre voyage.
Ce qui est excellent, c'est que les indiens ne se considèrent pas comme noirs, qu'ils soient tout blanc dans le Nord ou tout noir dans le sud ils ne se voient pas noir et ca les fait meme rire qu'on les prenne pour çà.
Je pense que vous aurez d'autres questionnement sur place, et les émotions ressenties là-bas seront d'un tout autre ordre. Je comprends cette question car avant un voyage en Chine ( annulé) j'avais posté un même mesage sur ce forum pour avoir des retours de couples ayant eu cette expérience. J'avais d'ailleurs eu le même style de réponse de gens très sympas mais n'étant pas noir, n'ayant pas voyagé en Inde avec un noir et n'en ayant d'ailleurs souvent jamais vu là-bas.
Bon voyage, et j'espère que l'Inde vous plaira autant qu'à moi.
Le monde de demain appartiendra aux couples mixtes et aux enfants issus de ces couples mixtes, je le crois sincèrement.
Bonjour,
Je suis noire, et je suis actuellement en Inde pour mes etudes. C'est mon second sejour ici. Je pense que les indiens ont instinctivement une vision pejorative des noirs, tout comme ils ont instinctivement une vision positive des blancs. Leur conception originelle de la purete, et de l'impurete, de la beautee et de la laideur, de la position sociale, s'articule autour d'une gradation du clair vers le sombre. Cette perception s'emousse dans les grandes villes, cosmopolites, aupres des indiens eduques, de ceux qui sont sortis du pays (dont pas mal sont alles en Afrique), en fonction du sexe, et aussi effectivement en fonction de la nationalite. Mon passeport francais, bien que souvent source d'incredulite (you're from vere ? Frannssse ?! No, I mean vat is your country ? Frannsssse ?! Not from AFrica ?!!!) facilite et detend les rapports.
Si cette forme de racisme est source de tension au sein meme de la population indienne entre les aryens du nord et les plus sombres dravidiens du Sud, elle se retourne tres rarement vers les touristes. Personne ne vous agressera, physiquement ou verbalement, et l'ecrasante majorite des gens de cordiaux a tres agreables. Seulement, contrairement a mes amies blanches, je ne suis pas harcelee par les garcons indiens, on me demande rarement de poser sur les photos, et globalement on evite de me faire chier, chose a laquelle je m'accomode tres bien. Il faut juste s'habituer a etre observe tout le temps ( vraiment, tout le temps), mais ca c'est le lot commun de tout etranger en Inde, et ce n'est pas le plus facile. Lors de mon premier sejour, et a l'issue d'une discussion similaire a celle ci, un de mes professeurs indiens m'avait dit "Be confident". Je pense que c'est important de ne pas donner l'impression de s'excuser d'etre la, et de vivre pleinement l'Inde sans vous attarder sur l'hypothetique racisme de l'indien qui est en face de vous. J'ai vecu de tres chouettes moments en Inde, et rencontre des gens, indiens compris, qui sont devenus tres proches.
Be confident and enjoy.
Ps: Par pitie. Arretez de dire "black". Je sais bien que c'est un terme generique, "cool" et politiquement correct qui vise a ne pas heurter les "minorites visibles", mais il en emane quelques relents au mieux de gene, au pire d'hypocrisie. Le fait est que je suis noire.
Je suis noire, et je suis actuellement en Inde pour mes etudes. C'est mon second sejour ici. Je pense que les indiens ont instinctivement une vision pejorative des noirs, tout comme ils ont instinctivement une vision positive des blancs. Leur conception originelle de la purete, et de l'impurete, de la beautee et de la laideur, de la position sociale, s'articule autour d'une gradation du clair vers le sombre. Cette perception s'emousse dans les grandes villes, cosmopolites, aupres des indiens eduques, de ceux qui sont sortis du pays (dont pas mal sont alles en Afrique), en fonction du sexe, et aussi effectivement en fonction de la nationalite. Mon passeport francais, bien que souvent source d'incredulite (you're from vere ? Frannssse ?! No, I mean vat is your country ? Frannsssse ?! Not from AFrica ?!!!) facilite et detend les rapports.
Si cette forme de racisme est source de tension au sein meme de la population indienne entre les aryens du nord et les plus sombres dravidiens du Sud, elle se retourne tres rarement vers les touristes. Personne ne vous agressera, physiquement ou verbalement, et l'ecrasante majorite des gens de cordiaux a tres agreables. Seulement, contrairement a mes amies blanches, je ne suis pas harcelee par les garcons indiens, on me demande rarement de poser sur les photos, et globalement on evite de me faire chier, chose a laquelle je m'accomode tres bien. Il faut juste s'habituer a etre observe tout le temps ( vraiment, tout le temps), mais ca c'est le lot commun de tout etranger en Inde, et ce n'est pas le plus facile. Lors de mon premier sejour, et a l'issue d'une discussion similaire a celle ci, un de mes professeurs indiens m'avait dit "Be confident". Je pense que c'est important de ne pas donner l'impression de s'excuser d'etre la, et de vivre pleinement l'Inde sans vous attarder sur l'hypothetique racisme de l'indien qui est en face de vous. J'ai vecu de tres chouettes moments en Inde, et rencontre des gens, indiens compris, qui sont devenus tres proches.
Be confident and enjoy.
Ps: Par pitie. Arretez de dire "black". Je sais bien que c'est un terme generique, "cool" et politiquement correct qui vise a ne pas heurter les "minorites visibles", mais il en emane quelques relents au mieux de gene, au pire d'hypocrisie. Le fait est que je suis noire.
Salut Yabo, j'ai trouvé ton post très intéressant mais je réponds pour te parler du terme "black". Vu que tu es dans tes études, j'en déduis que tu es encore jeune 😉.
moi, j'approche à grand pas de la quarantaine et le terme "black" a toujours fait parti de mon vocabulaire. Les années 80, à la fac, c'était "Touche pas à mon pote et les Blacks, Blancs, Beurs ". Ce n'est pas du politiquement correct et ce n'est pas non plus de l'hypocrisie. C'est peut-être juste une question de générations 😉
Maintenant que ce terme ne soit plus adéquat, je veux bien le comprendre mais pour beaucoup d'entre nous, je pense, il est utilisé de façon naturel et en aucun cas pour éviter de dire "noir" .
amicalement
Isa
salut
j'aurais tendance à dire que le plus important n'est pas la couleur de peau mais la nationalité et les signes extérieurs de richesses.
Si on pense que tu as de l'argent, tu seras considéré, si tu es noir et aucun signe de richesse, tu seras considéré comme moins important que l'européen blanc de nationalité suisse.
Le fait que les noirs ne courrent pas les rues de l'inde, cela fait qu'on va les remarquer plus facilement. (comme le blanc dans les pays noirs)
meme moi quand je vois des noirs en inde, je les regardes car il y en a peu. Je les regarde pour tenter de deviner leur nationalités. pas pour les voir péjorativement.
Les indiens pour certains ont du mal à comprendre qu'un francais peu etre aussi noir, arabe ou asiatique.
Je peux comprendre cela, car la politique de l'immigration d'un grand nombre de pays, n'est pas aussi "généreuse" que l'europe, usa, canada...
ce que je peux dire c'est: soit toi, tu t'en fiche de ce que peuvent penser les quelques petits con d'indiens qui peuvent ne pas te considerer. (y en a dans tout les pays).
Si tu ne veux pas te prendre la tete, montres des signes de "richesse", t shirt nike, pantalon jean, chaussure nike... là on va voir que tu es noir, mais on sera interessé par toi car on pensera que tu as de l'argent.
Parfois ca aide de mentir à son interlocuteur sur son métier. Si tu dis que tu es employé administratif, tu seras une simple personne, le mot magique c'est "business man" c'est le mode à la mode chez les indiens. Etre entrepreneur = etre riche.
En inde du sud, les indiens de couleur plus foncé sont plus nombreux, la mentalité est probablement différente.
Le fait que les noirs ne courrent pas les rues de l'inde, cela fait qu'on va les remarquer plus facilement. (comme le blanc dans les pays noirs)
meme moi quand je vois des noirs en inde, je les regardes car il y en a peu. Je les regarde pour tenter de deviner leur nationalités. pas pour les voir péjorativement.
Les indiens pour certains ont du mal à comprendre qu'un francais peu etre aussi noir, arabe ou asiatique.
Je peux comprendre cela, car la politique de l'immigration d'un grand nombre de pays, n'est pas aussi "généreuse" que l'europe, usa, canada...
ce que je peux dire c'est: soit toi, tu t'en fiche de ce que peuvent penser les quelques petits con d'indiens qui peuvent ne pas te considerer. (y en a dans tout les pays).
Si tu ne veux pas te prendre la tete, montres des signes de "richesse", t shirt nike, pantalon jean, chaussure nike... là on va voir que tu es noir, mais on sera interessé par toi car on pensera que tu as de l'argent.
Parfois ca aide de mentir à son interlocuteur sur son métier. Si tu dis que tu es employé administratif, tu seras une simple personne, le mot magique c'est "business man" c'est le mode à la mode chez les indiens. Etre entrepreneur = etre riche.
En inde du sud, les indiens de couleur plus foncé sont plus nombreux, la mentalité est probablement différente.
la femme de mon cousin est"blake" ..; ils étaient en inde 10 jours ... disont qu'elle à pas forcément compris pourquoi les gens venait près d'elle et lui touchait les pieds ... rapport a kaly déesse noir ... de tte façon les indiens hallucine sur tout ... pour ma part j'avais des drèdes pendant 9 ans et en inde l'envie ma pris de m'ouvrir les drédes parce que j'en avais asser des questionnement pour savoir si j'étais sadou ou pas ... mais des cheveux ne sont pas une couleur de peau ... je crois que le meilleur moyen est de faire face ... quand une foulle nombreuse vous regarde un sourire passe toujours !
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NAMASTE NEPAL! PRACTICAL INFO AND EXPERIENCE FEEDBACK
Stay from March 25 to April 16, 2025
· Flight tickets Air India (via Delhi) (via Skyscanner) = 1130 € per person · Planned budget (and respected without too many restrictions and while buying a few small gifts) = 2000 € for the stay for two. Buses, taxis, and entrance fees to various sites represent a budget to consider. Meals are cheap. Drinks like beer/Coke, however, are not cheap and cost the equivalent of a meal. · Exchange rate of the rupee during our stay = 0.0064 € (the exchange rate is almost identical everywhere, including at the airport). · At the airport, purchase of two SIM cards (phone) = 1000 NPR x 2 for 28 days. · Kathmandu: we had booked the hotel upon arrival: Kathmandu Boutique Hotel (+977 015 357 446 – email: booking@kathmanduboutiquehotel.com), very well located in a quiet alley off the street, south of Thamel, a 10-minute walk from Durbar Square. A hotel like Nepal knows how to do, where tall people will have to duck. Night + breakfast = 18 € for two. Very warm welcome, great location, excellent value for money. · Bhaktapur: we had also booked a hotel for the end of our stay because the chance of the year 2025 made the Nepali New Year and Bisket Jatra particularly festive in Bhaktapur: Manju Baha Hotel School (+977 976 7234014 – email: manjubahahotel@gmail.com) located in an old monastery. "A social enterprise transforming an old monastery into a charming hotel, offering professional hospitality training to underprivileged Nepali youth." Night + breakfast = 32 € for two. Beautifully decorated room. Very warm welcome. Don’t miss the Changunarayan site (near Bhaktapur), it’s amazing. And if you’re lucky enough to be in Bhaktapur in mid-April for 3 days, there’s the Bisket Jatra festivities (Newari festival), joyful, noisy, fun, and wild… · Pokhara (hotel recommended by the Kathmandu hotel): Hotel Green Tara, Lakeside, 10th street, set back, quiet (Tel. +977 61 462698 – email: greentara_67@hotmail.com) · Trek permit (Lower Mustang, no need for an agency or guide, permits checked at Ghasa and Jomsom) = 2000 NPR per person (2 ID photos) · Bus Kathmandu/Pokhara and return = 2000 NPR per person · Bus Pokhara/Jomsom, 2 one-way tickets = 2800 NPR. · Taxi: negotiation with a driver we recommend, Vicky (+977 984 075 599). You explain what you want, negotiate the price, and he waits for you during the visit. Very charming, we used him several times. For example: departure from our hotel at 10 AM -> Boudhanath/Pashupatinath/Patan return at 5 PM to the hotel = 6500 NPR – Swayambhunath (round trip) = 1200 NPR · Site prices: https://ntb.gov.np/plan-your-trip/before-you-come/heritage-site-entry-fees o Visitor Pass for Kathmandu Durbar Square (for the duration of the stay, show your visa) = 1000 NPR per person (1 ID photo) o Bhaktapur Durbar Square (old town) = 1800 NPR per person o Patan = 1000 NPR per person o Swayambhu Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Boudha Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Pashupatinath Temple = 1000 NPR per person (interesting to take a guide) o Changunarayan Temple (6 km north of Bhaktapur) = 400 NPR per person o Mountain Museum in Pokhara = 750 NPR per person · E-cigarettes: e-cigarettes are banned in India and confiscated whether they’re in carry-on or checked luggage. On the way there, we had kept them in our carry-on, they were confiscated in Delhi. On the way back, learning from our previous experience, we put them in our checked luggage. Someone came to get us to take them out of our bags and confiscate them… You can find e-cigarettes and products in Kathmandu.
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I’m 74 years old. I went to Nepal in 1982, 1983, and the last time in 1986. I wanted to introduce this beautiful and endearing country to my husband, and it was… now or never. So we decided it was now.
I knew the trek starting from Pokhara: Naudanda/Birethanti/Ghorepani/Tatopani/Kalopani. There was no way I was going to do that trek, especially the 1000-meter staircase to reach Ghorepani… You have to stay humble with age.
Back then, the road didn’t exist. I didn’t consider, with the construction of this road (NH48) along the western bank of the Kali Gandaki, doing a trek along a windy and dusty road. Was there an alternative hiking trail on the eastern bank? No one answered my question on VoyageForum, so I did my research online. And I found this site: "Andrées de Ruiter and Prem Rai - Trekking the Annapurna Circuit, including the new NATT trails that avoid the road - A guide to one of the most beautiful trekking regions in Nepal and the world (2011) - NATT = New Annapurna Trekking Trail".
Phew! A solution was emerging. This circuit from 2011 wasn’t fully marked. The idea was to go from Jomsom to Tatopani, so we needed to make sure the path was well-marked all the way, which we did, and the path exists, marked in red and white!
So, with the walking times information, we built our 8-day circuit:
· Jomsom/Thinigaon · Thinigaon/Chimang · Chimang/Saura · Saura/Kokhetanti · Rest day or, if in good shape: loop to Sekong Lake · Kokhetanti/Jhipra Deurali · Jhipra Deurali/Kopchepani · Kopchepani/Tatopani
It’s a senior trek, after all. So the walking times noted on the sites indicated 3 hours or even 4 hours for the two longest stages. That pace suited us fine.
On March 29, we left Kathmandu (1400m), after visiting the must-see sites, by bus to Pokhara: 200 km and 8.5 hours on a chaotic road under construction. I had a memory of Pokhara where it was the first city where you could see the Himalayan range, especially Machhapuchhare. But the pollution is such, the dust raised by traffic and construction, that no horizon is visible except the first hills around Pokhara.
We stayed 24 hours in Pokhara (820m), and on March 31, we left our luggage at the hotel and set off with our lightest backpacks: change of clothes, toiletries, first aid kit, anti-chafing cream, water bottle, sleeping bag liner, and light shoes for the stages.
We took the bus to Jomsom: 160 km/7.5 hours including stops for bathroom breaks, tea, and lunch. The road is nothing but a chaos of potholes, landslides, construction, dust, rebuilding, and mudslides. In Ghasa, the bus stops, and we’re told we’re at a checkpoint and that the two foreigners in the bus, my husband and I, need to have our permits checked, which takes a few minutes. The driving is rock-and-roll, surprising, and courteous. The drivers have their codes, and on these improbable roads, they’re virtuosos.
We could have chosen the plane, but several reasons dissuaded us: if there’s too much wind, the planes don’t take off; personally, I wasn’t reassured about landing in Jomsom, and this transport has a cost.
We arrived around 2 PM in Jomsom (2720m), and despite the early wake-up, the nearly 8 hours on the bus, and the altitude, we decided to head straight to Thinigaon (2840m). At the Jomsom checkpoint, they told us it was a 30-minute walk. Great! Except we took an hour and a half on an uphill road, bent over to fight a strong wind. But the Himalayan range is there! The Dhaulagiri, the Nilgiri, the Annapurnas as a reward.
In Thinigaon, we found a room at the "Nilgiri View Hotel" run by a didi (big sister in Nepali). From the lodge’s roof, she proudly showed us the different peaks surrounding the village and told us, worried, that it hadn’t snowed here for 3 years. She said there are very few tourists, that the season is rather in September/October/November. It seems there’s not a soul in this village, yet mules pass through the narrow street paved with large flat stones, their bells ringing. We dine at 6 PM and go to bed… Room = 1200 NPR and dinner, breakfast, and drinks = 2560 NPR.
On April 1, we set off at 9 AM, not for Chimang as planned but for Marpha! The didi from the Thinigaon lodge had said it was a 3-hour walk. The first part of this stage is attractive, the mountains are magnificent and imposing, the landscape is superb, there’s no one around, a feeling of being "alone in the world." We follow Dhumbra Tal, this small green lake. The path is a rocky track that climbs steeply. Then, around a hill, we start the big descent that joins the Kali Gandaki. We face the wind head-on, and the violent gusts take our breath away, throw us off balance, and envelop us in dust. We see the road on the other side of the Kali Gandaki. We arrive in the village of Chhairo at 2 PM, completely exhausted and with blistered feet, after 5 hours of walking instead of the planned 3.5 hours.
We’re welcomed by the village nurse, who tells us there’s a lodge in the village. Chhairo is a Tibetan village, a 20-minute walk from Marpha (according to the locals, multiply by 2 or even 3 for us…). We’re going to revise our trek plan and, first of all, spend the night in Chhairo.
The lodge is quite pleasant, and Karma, the hostess, is very friendly. She asks about our plans and suggests we stay in Chhairo the next day, from where we can visit Marpha and also Chimang, a 1-hour walk away, in light mode, meaning without backpacks. She invites us to participate in a village ceremony the next evening.
We immediately accept the proposal, as our feet need rest and the welcome is so warm… Dinner and bed!
We reworked our trek plan, which was too ambitious for our untrained bodies and, let’s face it… no longer in our first youth. In the initial plan, we thought there wouldn’t be too much elevation gain following the Kali Gandaki, but checking the map, we realize there might be significant elevation changes between Sauru and Sirkung. So we plan:
· Tomorrow: visit Marpha (2670m) and Chimang (2744m) · April 3: bus from Chhairo (2700m) to Kalopani (2530m) and continue on foot to Ghasa (2010m) · April 4: Ghasa/Pairataplo (1940m) · April 5: Pairatapla/Gadpar (1580m) · April 6: Gadpar/Narchyang (1510m) · April 7: Narchyang/Tatopani (1190m) · April 8: return to Pokhara.
Normally, it’s all downhill…
April 2, a rest day then… We set off in the morning to explore Marpha. We have to take a temporary bridge because the suspension bridge is closed due to road construction. We join the road and arrive in Marpha, a village famous for its apple orchards, brandy, cider, and apple juice production. This village is magnificent with its stone houses and monastery clinging to the hillside. The road construction spared it. There are people, but very few Western tourists.
We have lunch in Marpha and go back through Chhairo to take the path to Chimang. We cross a fragrant pine forest and find the rocky path; the landscape is splendid. We walk quietly, passing peaceful buffaloes and cows, and arrive at the foot of a stone staircase… 275 steps (which we counted on the way back) leading us to the village of Chimang. Chimang is an isolated Newari village that seems a bit desolate. Despite the slopes, there are crops on every little bit of land. Thankfully, we changed our initial program because there’s no lodge in this village, contrary to what we saw on a map… We wander through the village, which seems very deserted, have coffee in a house from another world, and then head back to Chhairo.
A rest day? = 5 hours of walking!!
Dinner and village ceremony. From what we understand, this ceremony is in honor of the Dalai Lama. Men, women, and children in traditional costumes gather twice a month; they dance, make, and offer small sweet cakes with Tibetan tea (made from tea, yak butter—often rancid—water, and salt). Surprising for first-timers…
Around 10 PM, we leave the ceremony; tomorrow morning, we need to be on the roadside by 7 AM to catch the bus to Kalopani…
This village of Chhairo is very pleasant and welcoming, no tourists, just two motorcyclists who arrived in the evening, one of whom participated in the ceremony and discreetly poured his Tibetan tea outside.
Lodge: "Norsang Tibetan Guesthouse and Restaurant". Total bill for 2 nights, 2 dinners, 2 breakfasts, and drinks = 8000 NPR.
April 3: bus from Chhairo to Kalopani, about 1.5 hours for the 20 km (200 NPR per person). We descend on the right bank of the Kali Gandaki. We find the red and white markings to resume the trek toward Ghasa. We’re in a fragrant pine forest, the Dhaulagiri on one side and the Annapurnas on the other, magnificent, and the path is pleasant and easy. We get a bit lost in this forest, always looking for the markings. Near Lete, two trekkers pass us, and we meet them again a little further on with two very young children, to whom we give the 2 hard-boiled eggs I didn’t eat this morning. They accepted them without hesitation.
We arrive in a village and ask for directions to Ghasa. The young girls point the way. But we come across a forest being logged, trees cut in all directions. We turn back and ask for confirmation. They confirm… But the two young girls catch up with us and clear the way. We have to step over, go around, and cross the felled trees, with no indication at all. Through this pick-up sticks of felled trees, the girls lead us to the top of a stone staircase, indicating that was the path. It’s the only place where we saw rhododendrons in bloom.
We descend the staircase. At the bottom, to the left, there’s a bridge to go toward Choyo, and to the right, a path to Ghasa. We take the right path and join the road. We should normally find the red and white markings, but we don’t… So we continue on the western bank road of the Kali Gandaki.
A little before the village of Misi, we see fumaroles on the opposite bank that seem to come from the ground. We don’t understand. We stopped to eat in the village of Misi (noodle soup = 600 NPR), but it’s hard to communicate with the elderly people running the guesthouse.
We continued on the road, not finding the marked path parallel to the road. Landslides, both on the left and right banks, seem to have taken over the marked routes. It’s a place where the Kali Gandaki gorge narrows, and on the opposite bank, the mountain smokes more and more, and we now hear the crackling of fire. Across from us, the mountain is burning… Our initial plan had us passing on that burning bank right now…
We arrive in Ghasa at 3:30 PM, a 6.5-hour stage but with a 1-hour stop at noon. We’re at the "Florida Guesthouse and Restaurant." From our room, we see the mountain smoking on the other side of the river, and at night, we see the flames. In this village, posters show Himalayan eagles and vultures that seem to be protected species. Indeed, we saw (and heard) 3 eagles circling today.
April 4 – Today, heading to Pairothapla or Kopchepani depending on our feet, accommodation options, and simply our desires.
No more smoke on the mountain this morning. It’s chilly, 7:45 AM, the sky is clear, just a smell of smoke outside.
Price of the lodge = 1000 NPR for the night + 3580 NPR for meals.
We cross Ghasa, which stretches over more than a kilometer. We have a drink at the last guesthouse in the village, and the didi, when she learns our destination, tells us to be careful because the villages we’re going to aren’t safe. Should we distribute our rupees in different pockets? Nah, we kept going.
At the exit of Ghasa, we find the red and white markings and take the suspension bridge to cross the boiling waters of the Kali Gandaki. The passage is impressive because the river is tumultuous. Lots of climbs and even more descents. We’re back on the eastern bank. It’s hot! On the narrow path, we meet a group of buffaloes. Who has the right of way? We decide to stick as close as possible to the rock wall and move forward calmly. The buffaloes look at us, chewing placidly, with no intention of jumping on us. Phew!
After a 5-hour stage (including stops), we arrive in Pairothapla, with hot feet and firm thighs, and decide we won’t go any further. It’s a good thing because there’s a lodge, the most basic so far, but with a great welcome. We have a meal and a short nap. The buffaloes we met on the way belong to this house. They come to drink at the fountain by the path.
Our host, very pleasant, doesn’t know what to do to please us and is very attentive. He wants to chat. He has two children, a 4-year-old girl and a 7-year-old boy. Where do they go to school? Do they go? He tells us that the fires in the mountain are caused by people, but for what reason? We won’t find out, but it’s illegal. From here, we can still see smoke rising in the distance. The wife is a bit less friendly. Corn kernels dry on a woven straw mat on the ground, and the mom sorts them.
From where we are, we overlook the valley and see the road under construction winding along the mountainside on the other bank.
Dinner on the terrace of the house overlooking the path, windbreaker and fleece on: dal bhat chicken for me and chicken curry for my husband: "organic" products, at least local production. There are small vegetable gardens everywhere with all sorts of vegetables.
April 5 – While we’re having breakfast on the terrace of our lodge, 5 porters, straps on their foreheads, heavily loaded, pass by on the path. A few minutes later, a group of 9 people appears. It must be said that since the beginning of our journey, we’ve met very few hikers. Two backpackers in Chhairo, the two hikers near Lete, two female hikers passed us before Pairothapla, a solo female hiker passed us…
The lodge in Pairothapla is called "Bimala Lodge & Thakali Kitchen" – Price for night + 4 meals + 2 breakfasts = 3000 NPR.
The descent toward the Kali Gandaki involves climbs whose steps we didn’t count. Clearly, the landslides on the mountain cause changes to the official ACAP trek marked in red and white, and the marking updates can’t keep up with the pace of these landslides. It’s almost always by chance that we find the markings. Fortunately, we can follow the power line that guides us somewhat.
Drink stop in Kopchepani, the legs are fine, but the feet don’t like being tightly enclosed. A group of trekkers with porters passes on the path. We met buffaloes that we kindly let pass; the path was wide enough, but it was a staircase going up, and we didn’t want to take any risks.
Across, a view of the magnificent Rupse Waterfall on the other bank of the Kali Gandaki, at the bottom, lots of vehicles and people.
Arrival in Gadpar after crossing a rather unwelcoming small village and cultivated gardens between dry stone walls, each better built than the last.
First lodge spotted, first lodge adopted to answer the call of our feet, and a very warm welcome from the owner. Since we hadn’t eaten at noon, we had Tibetan bread/jam. 6-hour stage including 1 hour of stops. Night + dinner + breakfast + drinks = 5060 NPR
April 6 – Today, heading to Narchyang.
For several days, we’ve seen banana trees with their bunches of fruit and even a prickly pear with large fruits ripening.
This stage is quite peaceful and pleasant. We take a suspension bridge to cross a tributary of the Kali Gandaki. While we’re resting for a moment before crossing the bridge, a couple of porters, a man and a woman, arrive and start across the bridge with their wood load in a basket held by a strap on their forehead, making them bend. We set off too… lighter than them.
On the other side of the bridge… a stone staircase, and it climbs steeply. The porter couple didn’t take this staircase; they went right on the path.
At the top of the staircase, we arrive in Narchyang after a 4-hour stage. A magnificent waterfall overlooks the village. We get lost in this fairly large village looking for a lodge. After wandering around for a while, we ask for directions, and an 84-year-old man takes us through the whole village and accompanies us to a very nice lodge run by a woman.
We chat with our hostess, who asks where we’re from and where we’re going. We explain that we want to reach Tatopani the next day and then return to Pokhara. She tells us there are 4x4s going directly to Pokhara and that it would probably be easier than taking a bus that might be full in Tatopani. After a quick consultation, we decide to return to Pokhara the next day by 4x4. She finds us a 4x4 with 2 seats left, departure at 8 AM – 5 hours on the road and 1500 NPR per person. A charming didi who does everything to be pleasant and helpful.
Narchyang community lodge = night + snacks + dinner + breakfast = 3000 NPR.
There you go, our trek ends tomorrow. Many necessary changes and adaptations to our initial trek, but no regrets, it was superb and a great experience that, for my part, I won’t be able to repeat. Always this encounter with the endearing, welcoming, curious, and very kind Nepali people. It was now or never, and we did it!
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In conclusion, 3 full weeks in Nepal is a duration that allows visiting Kathmandu, Patan, and Bhaktapur, enjoying the various sites, and soaking in the atmosphere and urban Nepali life.
The trek, even revised and corrected, allowed us to get close to the impressive Annapurna and Dhaulagiri peaks. One or two acclimatization days might be necessary to get the body in tune with this magical and extraordinary land.
Stay from March 25 to April 16, 2025
· Flight tickets Air India (via Delhi) (via Skyscanner) = 1130 € per person · Planned budget (and respected without too many restrictions and while buying a few small gifts) = 2000 € for the stay for two. Buses, taxis, and entrance fees to various sites represent a budget to consider. Meals are cheap. Drinks like beer/Coke, however, are not cheap and cost the equivalent of a meal. · Exchange rate of the rupee during our stay = 0.0064 € (the exchange rate is almost identical everywhere, including at the airport). · At the airport, purchase of two SIM cards (phone) = 1000 NPR x 2 for 28 days. · Kathmandu: we had booked the hotel upon arrival: Kathmandu Boutique Hotel (+977 015 357 446 – email: booking@kathmanduboutiquehotel.com), very well located in a quiet alley off the street, south of Thamel, a 10-minute walk from Durbar Square. A hotel like Nepal knows how to do, where tall people will have to duck. Night + breakfast = 18 € for two. Very warm welcome, great location, excellent value for money. · Bhaktapur: we had also booked a hotel for the end of our stay because the chance of the year 2025 made the Nepali New Year and Bisket Jatra particularly festive in Bhaktapur: Manju Baha Hotel School (+977 976 7234014 – email: manjubahahotel@gmail.com) located in an old monastery. "A social enterprise transforming an old monastery into a charming hotel, offering professional hospitality training to underprivileged Nepali youth." Night + breakfast = 32 € for two. Beautifully decorated room. Very warm welcome. Don’t miss the Changunarayan site (near Bhaktapur), it’s amazing. And if you’re lucky enough to be in Bhaktapur in mid-April for 3 days, there’s the Bisket Jatra festivities (Newari festival), joyful, noisy, fun, and wild… · Pokhara (hotel recommended by the Kathmandu hotel): Hotel Green Tara, Lakeside, 10th street, set back, quiet (Tel. +977 61 462698 – email: greentara_67@hotmail.com) · Trek permit (Lower Mustang, no need for an agency or guide, permits checked at Ghasa and Jomsom) = 2000 NPR per person (2 ID photos) · Bus Kathmandu/Pokhara and return = 2000 NPR per person · Bus Pokhara/Jomsom, 2 one-way tickets = 2800 NPR. · Taxi: negotiation with a driver we recommend, Vicky (+977 984 075 599). You explain what you want, negotiate the price, and he waits for you during the visit. Very charming, we used him several times. For example: departure from our hotel at 10 AM -> Boudhanath/Pashupatinath/Patan return at 5 PM to the hotel = 6500 NPR – Swayambhunath (round trip) = 1200 NPR · Site prices: https://ntb.gov.np/plan-your-trip/before-you-come/heritage-site-entry-fees o Visitor Pass for Kathmandu Durbar Square (for the duration of the stay, show your visa) = 1000 NPR per person (1 ID photo) o Bhaktapur Durbar Square (old town) = 1800 NPR per person o Patan = 1000 NPR per person o Swayambhu Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Boudha Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Pashupatinath Temple = 1000 NPR per person (interesting to take a guide) o Changunarayan Temple (6 km north of Bhaktapur) = 400 NPR per person o Mountain Museum in Pokhara = 750 NPR per person · E-cigarettes: e-cigarettes are banned in India and confiscated whether they’re in carry-on or checked luggage. On the way there, we had kept them in our carry-on, they were confiscated in Delhi. On the way back, learning from our previous experience, we put them in our checked luggage. Someone came to get us to take them out of our bags and confiscate them… You can find e-cigarettes and products in Kathmandu.
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I’m 74 years old. I went to Nepal in 1982, 1983, and the last time in 1986. I wanted to introduce this beautiful and endearing country to my husband, and it was… now or never. So we decided it was now.
I knew the trek starting from Pokhara: Naudanda/Birethanti/Ghorepani/Tatopani/Kalopani. There was no way I was going to do that trek, especially the 1000-meter staircase to reach Ghorepani… You have to stay humble with age.
Back then, the road didn’t exist. I didn’t consider, with the construction of this road (NH48) along the western bank of the Kali Gandaki, doing a trek along a windy and dusty road. Was there an alternative hiking trail on the eastern bank? No one answered my question on VoyageForum, so I did my research online. And I found this site: "Andrées de Ruiter and Prem Rai - Trekking the Annapurna Circuit, including the new NATT trails that avoid the road - A guide to one of the most beautiful trekking regions in Nepal and the world (2011) - NATT = New Annapurna Trekking Trail".
Phew! A solution was emerging. This circuit from 2011 wasn’t fully marked. The idea was to go from Jomsom to Tatopani, so we needed to make sure the path was well-marked all the way, which we did, and the path exists, marked in red and white!
So, with the walking times information, we built our 8-day circuit:
· Jomsom/Thinigaon · Thinigaon/Chimang · Chimang/Saura · Saura/Kokhetanti · Rest day or, if in good shape: loop to Sekong Lake · Kokhetanti/Jhipra Deurali · Jhipra Deurali/Kopchepani · Kopchepani/Tatopani
It’s a senior trek, after all. So the walking times noted on the sites indicated 3 hours or even 4 hours for the two longest stages. That pace suited us fine.
On March 29, we left Kathmandu (1400m), after visiting the must-see sites, by bus to Pokhara: 200 km and 8.5 hours on a chaotic road under construction. I had a memory of Pokhara where it was the first city where you could see the Himalayan range, especially Machhapuchhare. But the pollution is such, the dust raised by traffic and construction, that no horizon is visible except the first hills around Pokhara.
We stayed 24 hours in Pokhara (820m), and on March 31, we left our luggage at the hotel and set off with our lightest backpacks: change of clothes, toiletries, first aid kit, anti-chafing cream, water bottle, sleeping bag liner, and light shoes for the stages.
We took the bus to Jomsom: 160 km/7.5 hours including stops for bathroom breaks, tea, and lunch. The road is nothing but a chaos of potholes, landslides, construction, dust, rebuilding, and mudslides. In Ghasa, the bus stops, and we’re told we’re at a checkpoint and that the two foreigners in the bus, my husband and I, need to have our permits checked, which takes a few minutes. The driving is rock-and-roll, surprising, and courteous. The drivers have their codes, and on these improbable roads, they’re virtuosos.
We could have chosen the plane, but several reasons dissuaded us: if there’s too much wind, the planes don’t take off; personally, I wasn’t reassured about landing in Jomsom, and this transport has a cost.
We arrived around 2 PM in Jomsom (2720m), and despite the early wake-up, the nearly 8 hours on the bus, and the altitude, we decided to head straight to Thinigaon (2840m). At the Jomsom checkpoint, they told us it was a 30-minute walk. Great! Except we took an hour and a half on an uphill road, bent over to fight a strong wind. But the Himalayan range is there! The Dhaulagiri, the Nilgiri, the Annapurnas as a reward.
In Thinigaon, we found a room at the "Nilgiri View Hotel" run by a didi (big sister in Nepali). From the lodge’s roof, she proudly showed us the different peaks surrounding the village and told us, worried, that it hadn’t snowed here for 3 years. She said there are very few tourists, that the season is rather in September/October/November. It seems there’s not a soul in this village, yet mules pass through the narrow street paved with large flat stones, their bells ringing. We dine at 6 PM and go to bed… Room = 1200 NPR and dinner, breakfast, and drinks = 2560 NPR.
On April 1, we set off at 9 AM, not for Chimang as planned but for Marpha! The didi from the Thinigaon lodge had said it was a 3-hour walk. The first part of this stage is attractive, the mountains are magnificent and imposing, the landscape is superb, there’s no one around, a feeling of being "alone in the world." We follow Dhumbra Tal, this small green lake. The path is a rocky track that climbs steeply. Then, around a hill, we start the big descent that joins the Kali Gandaki. We face the wind head-on, and the violent gusts take our breath away, throw us off balance, and envelop us in dust. We see the road on the other side of the Kali Gandaki. We arrive in the village of Chhairo at 2 PM, completely exhausted and with blistered feet, after 5 hours of walking instead of the planned 3.5 hours.
We’re welcomed by the village nurse, who tells us there’s a lodge in the village. Chhairo is a Tibetan village, a 20-minute walk from Marpha (according to the locals, multiply by 2 or even 3 for us…). We’re going to revise our trek plan and, first of all, spend the night in Chhairo.
The lodge is quite pleasant, and Karma, the hostess, is very friendly. She asks about our plans and suggests we stay in Chhairo the next day, from where we can visit Marpha and also Chimang, a 1-hour walk away, in light mode, meaning without backpacks. She invites us to participate in a village ceremony the next evening.
We immediately accept the proposal, as our feet need rest and the welcome is so warm… Dinner and bed!
We reworked our trek plan, which was too ambitious for our untrained bodies and, let’s face it… no longer in our first youth. In the initial plan, we thought there wouldn’t be too much elevation gain following the Kali Gandaki, but checking the map, we realize there might be significant elevation changes between Sauru and Sirkung. So we plan:
· Tomorrow: visit Marpha (2670m) and Chimang (2744m) · April 3: bus from Chhairo (2700m) to Kalopani (2530m) and continue on foot to Ghasa (2010m) · April 4: Ghasa/Pairataplo (1940m) · April 5: Pairatapla/Gadpar (1580m) · April 6: Gadpar/Narchyang (1510m) · April 7: Narchyang/Tatopani (1190m) · April 8: return to Pokhara.
Normally, it’s all downhill…
April 2, a rest day then… We set off in the morning to explore Marpha. We have to take a temporary bridge because the suspension bridge is closed due to road construction. We join the road and arrive in Marpha, a village famous for its apple orchards, brandy, cider, and apple juice production. This village is magnificent with its stone houses and monastery clinging to the hillside. The road construction spared it. There are people, but very few Western tourists.
We have lunch in Marpha and go back through Chhairo to take the path to Chimang. We cross a fragrant pine forest and find the rocky path; the landscape is splendid. We walk quietly, passing peaceful buffaloes and cows, and arrive at the foot of a stone staircase… 275 steps (which we counted on the way back) leading us to the village of Chimang. Chimang is an isolated Newari village that seems a bit desolate. Despite the slopes, there are crops on every little bit of land. Thankfully, we changed our initial program because there’s no lodge in this village, contrary to what we saw on a map… We wander through the village, which seems very deserted, have coffee in a house from another world, and then head back to Chhairo.
A rest day? = 5 hours of walking!!
Dinner and village ceremony. From what we understand, this ceremony is in honor of the Dalai Lama. Men, women, and children in traditional costumes gather twice a month; they dance, make, and offer small sweet cakes with Tibetan tea (made from tea, yak butter—often rancid—water, and salt). Surprising for first-timers…
Around 10 PM, we leave the ceremony; tomorrow morning, we need to be on the roadside by 7 AM to catch the bus to Kalopani…
This village of Chhairo is very pleasant and welcoming, no tourists, just two motorcyclists who arrived in the evening, one of whom participated in the ceremony and discreetly poured his Tibetan tea outside.
Lodge: "Norsang Tibetan Guesthouse and Restaurant". Total bill for 2 nights, 2 dinners, 2 breakfasts, and drinks = 8000 NPR.
April 3: bus from Chhairo to Kalopani, about 1.5 hours for the 20 km (200 NPR per person). We descend on the right bank of the Kali Gandaki. We find the red and white markings to resume the trek toward Ghasa. We’re in a fragrant pine forest, the Dhaulagiri on one side and the Annapurnas on the other, magnificent, and the path is pleasant and easy. We get a bit lost in this forest, always looking for the markings. Near Lete, two trekkers pass us, and we meet them again a little further on with two very young children, to whom we give the 2 hard-boiled eggs I didn’t eat this morning. They accepted them without hesitation.
We arrive in a village and ask for directions to Ghasa. The young girls point the way. But we come across a forest being logged, trees cut in all directions. We turn back and ask for confirmation. They confirm… But the two young girls catch up with us and clear the way. We have to step over, go around, and cross the felled trees, with no indication at all. Through this pick-up sticks of felled trees, the girls lead us to the top of a stone staircase, indicating that was the path. It’s the only place where we saw rhododendrons in bloom.
We descend the staircase. At the bottom, to the left, there’s a bridge to go toward Choyo, and to the right, a path to Ghasa. We take the right path and join the road. We should normally find the red and white markings, but we don’t… So we continue on the western bank road of the Kali Gandaki.
A little before the village of Misi, we see fumaroles on the opposite bank that seem to come from the ground. We don’t understand. We stopped to eat in the village of Misi (noodle soup = 600 NPR), but it’s hard to communicate with the elderly people running the guesthouse.
We continued on the road, not finding the marked path parallel to the road. Landslides, both on the left and right banks, seem to have taken over the marked routes. It’s a place where the Kali Gandaki gorge narrows, and on the opposite bank, the mountain smokes more and more, and we now hear the crackling of fire. Across from us, the mountain is burning… Our initial plan had us passing on that burning bank right now…
We arrive in Ghasa at 3:30 PM, a 6.5-hour stage but with a 1-hour stop at noon. We’re at the "Florida Guesthouse and Restaurant." From our room, we see the mountain smoking on the other side of the river, and at night, we see the flames. In this village, posters show Himalayan eagles and vultures that seem to be protected species. Indeed, we saw (and heard) 3 eagles circling today.
April 4 – Today, heading to Pairothapla or Kopchepani depending on our feet, accommodation options, and simply our desires.
No more smoke on the mountain this morning. It’s chilly, 7:45 AM, the sky is clear, just a smell of smoke outside.
Price of the lodge = 1000 NPR for the night + 3580 NPR for meals.
We cross Ghasa, which stretches over more than a kilometer. We have a drink at the last guesthouse in the village, and the didi, when she learns our destination, tells us to be careful because the villages we’re going to aren’t safe. Should we distribute our rupees in different pockets? Nah, we kept going.
At the exit of Ghasa, we find the red and white markings and take the suspension bridge to cross the boiling waters of the Kali Gandaki. The passage is impressive because the river is tumultuous. Lots of climbs and even more descents. We’re back on the eastern bank. It’s hot! On the narrow path, we meet a group of buffaloes. Who has the right of way? We decide to stick as close as possible to the rock wall and move forward calmly. The buffaloes look at us, chewing placidly, with no intention of jumping on us. Phew!
After a 5-hour stage (including stops), we arrive in Pairothapla, with hot feet and firm thighs, and decide we won’t go any further. It’s a good thing because there’s a lodge, the most basic so far, but with a great welcome. We have a meal and a short nap. The buffaloes we met on the way belong to this house. They come to drink at the fountain by the path.
Our host, very pleasant, doesn’t know what to do to please us and is very attentive. He wants to chat. He has two children, a 4-year-old girl and a 7-year-old boy. Where do they go to school? Do they go? He tells us that the fires in the mountain are caused by people, but for what reason? We won’t find out, but it’s illegal. From here, we can still see smoke rising in the distance. The wife is a bit less friendly. Corn kernels dry on a woven straw mat on the ground, and the mom sorts them.
From where we are, we overlook the valley and see the road under construction winding along the mountainside on the other bank.
Dinner on the terrace of the house overlooking the path, windbreaker and fleece on: dal bhat chicken for me and chicken curry for my husband: "organic" products, at least local production. There are small vegetable gardens everywhere with all sorts of vegetables.
April 5 – While we’re having breakfast on the terrace of our lodge, 5 porters, straps on their foreheads, heavily loaded, pass by on the path. A few minutes later, a group of 9 people appears. It must be said that since the beginning of our journey, we’ve met very few hikers. Two backpackers in Chhairo, the two hikers near Lete, two female hikers passed us before Pairothapla, a solo female hiker passed us…
The lodge in Pairothapla is called "Bimala Lodge & Thakali Kitchen" – Price for night + 4 meals + 2 breakfasts = 3000 NPR.
The descent toward the Kali Gandaki involves climbs whose steps we didn’t count. Clearly, the landslides on the mountain cause changes to the official ACAP trek marked in red and white, and the marking updates can’t keep up with the pace of these landslides. It’s almost always by chance that we find the markings. Fortunately, we can follow the power line that guides us somewhat.
Drink stop in Kopchepani, the legs are fine, but the feet don’t like being tightly enclosed. A group of trekkers with porters passes on the path. We met buffaloes that we kindly let pass; the path was wide enough, but it was a staircase going up, and we didn’t want to take any risks.
Across, a view of the magnificent Rupse Waterfall on the other bank of the Kali Gandaki, at the bottom, lots of vehicles and people.
Arrival in Gadpar after crossing a rather unwelcoming small village and cultivated gardens between dry stone walls, each better built than the last.
First lodge spotted, first lodge adopted to answer the call of our feet, and a very warm welcome from the owner. Since we hadn’t eaten at noon, we had Tibetan bread/jam. 6-hour stage including 1 hour of stops. Night + dinner + breakfast + drinks = 5060 NPR
April 6 – Today, heading to Narchyang.
For several days, we’ve seen banana trees with their bunches of fruit and even a prickly pear with large fruits ripening.
This stage is quite peaceful and pleasant. We take a suspension bridge to cross a tributary of the Kali Gandaki. While we’re resting for a moment before crossing the bridge, a couple of porters, a man and a woman, arrive and start across the bridge with their wood load in a basket held by a strap on their forehead, making them bend. We set off too… lighter than them.
On the other side of the bridge… a stone staircase, and it climbs steeply. The porter couple didn’t take this staircase; they went right on the path.
At the top of the staircase, we arrive in Narchyang after a 4-hour stage. A magnificent waterfall overlooks the village. We get lost in this fairly large village looking for a lodge. After wandering around for a while, we ask for directions, and an 84-year-old man takes us through the whole village and accompanies us to a very nice lodge run by a woman.
We chat with our hostess, who asks where we’re from and where we’re going. We explain that we want to reach Tatopani the next day and then return to Pokhara. She tells us there are 4x4s going directly to Pokhara and that it would probably be easier than taking a bus that might be full in Tatopani. After a quick consultation, we decide to return to Pokhara the next day by 4x4. She finds us a 4x4 with 2 seats left, departure at 8 AM – 5 hours on the road and 1500 NPR per person. A charming didi who does everything to be pleasant and helpful.
Narchyang community lodge = night + snacks + dinner + breakfast = 3000 NPR.
There you go, our trek ends tomorrow. Many necessary changes and adaptations to our initial trek, but no regrets, it was superb and a great experience that, for my part, I won’t be able to repeat. Always this encounter with the endearing, welcoming, curious, and very kind Nepali people. It was now or never, and we did it!
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In conclusion, 3 full weeks in Nepal is a duration that allows visiting Kathmandu, Patan, and Bhaktapur, enjoying the various sites, and soaking in the atmosphere and urban Nepali life.
The trek, even revised and corrected, allowed us to get close to the impressive Annapurna and Dhaulagiri peaks. One or two acclimatization days might be necessary to get the body in tune with this magical and extraordinary land.
Hi there,
My partner and I are heading to Nepal for 15 days in March—she’s a schoolteacher. We’ll be trekking to Everest Base Camp and then doing the loop via the Gokyo Lakes.
We’d love to set up a fundraiser to donate to a school in Namche, along with visiting the school. It’s something that really matters to us. But it’s been tough to get in touch with a school—any ideas on how to go about this? Thanks!
My partner and I are heading to Nepal for 15 days in March—she’s a schoolteacher. We’ll be trekking to Everest Base Camp and then doing the loop via the Gokyo Lakes.
We’d love to set up a fundraiser to donate to a school in Namche, along with visiting the school. It’s something that really matters to us. But it’s been tough to get in touch with a school—any ideas on how to go about this? Thanks!
Hello my fellow globetrotters, could anyone tell me how to find the French colonial cemetery in Pondicherry? It seems tricky to locate.
Thanks so much for your help! Take care, pace yourselves, and travel far.
Cheers, Régine
Thanks so much for your help! Take care, pace yourselves, and travel far.
Cheers, Régine
I'm looking for a small, not-too-touristy restaurant in Fort Kochi. Do you know one not too far from Jacob Road?
Thanks
Hi there,
My wife and I are getting ready for this tour from March 27 to April 8.
I’d love to know if anyone’s traveled with Salaun Holidays before? How many people are usually in a group? How much cash should we bring?
We’re also unsure about what clothes to pack..... plus sheets and pillowcases?
And if you’ve got any tips to avoid being too bothered by beggars and touts.
Any advice you’ve got would be really helpful.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’d like to travel to Rajasthan and the Ganges Valley—it’s my first time going on a long-haul trip, and I’m thinking of booking with BTtours from Belgium (or Salaün in France). Has anyone here traveled with this agency before and can share their experience? I was planning to go around November, but some people tell me it might still be pretty cold (around 8°C)—is that true?
Also, what’s the best way to get money there? Can you enter India with cash on you?
Thanks for your help!
Also, what’s the best way to get money there? Can you enter India with cash on you?
Thanks for your help!
hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip to Northern India (Rajasthan, Ganges Valley with Varanasi (Benares)).
My travel agency is offering me two tour operators: Asia with the "Saris and Saddhus" circuit, and Salaun with the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit. I’ve already traveled to Sri Lanka and Southern India with Asia. The trips went really well.
I don’t know Salaun Holidays. Their circuit seems more comprehensive, with a day of relaxation (16 days on site). Travel with Air France.
Has any member of this forum done the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit with Salaun? Can I get your feedback on the tour operator Salaun Holidays?
Thanks so much
I’m planning a trip to Northern India (Rajasthan, Ganges Valley with Varanasi (Benares)).
My travel agency is offering me two tour operators: Asia with the "Saris and Saddhus" circuit, and Salaun with the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit. I’ve already traveled to Sri Lanka and Southern India with Asia. The trips went really well.
I don’t know Salaun Holidays. Their circuit seems more comprehensive, with a day of relaxation (16 days on site). Travel with Air France.
Has any member of this forum done the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit with Salaun? Can I get your feedback on the tour operator Salaun Holidays?
Thanks so much
Hi there.
We’re heading to India at the end of December for a month.
I planned an itinerary: Delhi, Nawalgarh, Sikar, Jodhpur, Udaipur, Chittaurgarh, Bundi, Jaipur, Bharatpur, and back to Delhi.
Our driver told us it’s not possible because there are no roads.
He’s suggesting the usual tourist circuit, which we don’t want to do.
What do you think of my route?
Any tips?
Thanks, community!
Hello,
We’re a group of 4 looking for a driver and car for our stay in Kerala from November 22 to December 12, 2025. We’ve already planned an itinerary starting from Cochin.
We’ve traveled with a driver before during our trip to Rajasthan.
Thanks for your replies!
Yves
Hi everyone,
we’re heading to Tamil Nadu and Kerala at the start of the year for 30 days. We did Rajasthan 12 years ago, but things change fast.
I’ve read that to get a SIM card, you have to buy it at a shop and then go to the operator to get a number; you’d also need an Indian mobile number. Has anyone here had recent experience with this?
For buses and trains, do you need to book them well in advance?
Any tips are welcome—thanks in advance!
Happy holidays to all,
Philippe
Hi everyone! 🙂
My partner (who’s a teacher—hence the summer holidays) and I are heading to Eastern India for 23 days in July. This is my 5th trip to India, but her first.
We fly into Delhi on July 7th and leave from Delhi on the 23rd (since our flight to Kolkata arrived late at night, and I wanted to show Agra and Varanasi to my partner).
We love getting off the beaten track and meeting people, so we’ll mostly be taking the train.
Here’s what we’re planning:
- **DELHI**: 1 night on the way (short because the plane is supposed to land at 01:55), then we take the train at 13:00 - **GWALIOR**: 3 nights, including a day trip to **AGRA** by train to see the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort (I find Agra too touristy to stay overnight). Otherwise, in Gwalior, the Fort, the temples, the Man Mandir Palace, and the Jai Vilas Palace if we have time. - **ORCHHA**: 2 nights... *maybe skip this to spend more time in VARANASI?* - **VARANASI**: overnight train + 3 nights, the Ghats, temples... maybe a day trip to **SARNATH**. - **KOLKATA**: overnight train + 3 nights. Maybe a countryside excursion to the ashram in Channa. *- Here we’re hesitating over 2 nights: either 2 nights in **SHANTINIKETAN** with a visit to **CHANNA** on the way, or a 2-day excursion to the **SUNDARBAN** nature park. But is it worth it in July during the monsoon?* - **PURI**: overnight train + 4 nights. *We’re planning to do everything from Puri, as it seems nicer than staying in BHUBANESWAR. What do you think?* Visit **KONARK** and **CHILIKA LAKE**. *Is it worth visiting Chilika Lake this season? Another question: can you swim in Puri, or is it too dangerous (waves)?* - Train to **BHUBANESWAR**, then a flight from BHUBANESWAR to **DELHI**, - 2 nights in **DELHI**, visiting Jama Masjid, and *either Humayun’s Tomb, Safdarjung’s Tomb, or Qutb Minar.*
Back to Paris. Total: 23 nights.
What do you think of these choices? What about the options we’re still unsure about *(in bold/italics)*? Thanks so much! 🙂
We fly into Delhi on July 7th and leave from Delhi on the 23rd (since our flight to Kolkata arrived late at night, and I wanted to show Agra and Varanasi to my partner).
We love getting off the beaten track and meeting people, so we’ll mostly be taking the train.
Here’s what we’re planning:
- **DELHI**: 1 night on the way (short because the plane is supposed to land at 01:55), then we take the train at 13:00 - **GWALIOR**: 3 nights, including a day trip to **AGRA** by train to see the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort (I find Agra too touristy to stay overnight). Otherwise, in Gwalior, the Fort, the temples, the Man Mandir Palace, and the Jai Vilas Palace if we have time. - **ORCHHA**: 2 nights... *maybe skip this to spend more time in VARANASI?* - **VARANASI**: overnight train + 3 nights, the Ghats, temples... maybe a day trip to **SARNATH**. - **KOLKATA**: overnight train + 3 nights. Maybe a countryside excursion to the ashram in Channa. *- Here we’re hesitating over 2 nights: either 2 nights in **SHANTINIKETAN** with a visit to **CHANNA** on the way, or a 2-day excursion to the **SUNDARBAN** nature park. But is it worth it in July during the monsoon?* - **PURI**: overnight train + 4 nights. *We’re planning to do everything from Puri, as it seems nicer than staying in BHUBANESWAR. What do you think?* Visit **KONARK** and **CHILIKA LAKE**. *Is it worth visiting Chilika Lake this season? Another question: can you swim in Puri, or is it too dangerous (waves)?* - Train to **BHUBANESWAR**, then a flight from BHUBANESWAR to **DELHI**, - 2 nights in **DELHI**, visiting Jama Masjid, and *either Humayun’s Tomb, Safdarjung’s Tomb, or Qutb Minar.*
Back to Paris. Total: 23 nights.
What do you think of these choices? What about the options we’re still unsure about *(in bold/italics)*? Thanks so much! 🙂
hi everyone, I’m putting together an itinerary for Sri Lanka in September 2026, so I’m focusing on the east side of the island because of the monsoon on the west coast:
Day 1 Kandy: botanical garden, fruit and vegetable market, traditional dance show
Day 2 Kandy-Ella train
Day 3-4 Kumana NP or Lunugamvehera Block 6+5
Day 5-6 Komari / Pottuvi lagoon safari
Day 7 head up the east coast along the beaches to reach Wasgamuwa NP
Day 8 Wasgamuwa NP early morning safari, then Polonnaruwa (temple and palace)
Day 9-10 Sigiriya Lion’s Rock and Dambulla, cave temple
Day 11-12 Wilpattu NP early morning safari, then late afternoon
Day 13-14 Kalpitiya, snorkeling and chilling
Day 15 return to Colombo
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on whether this route is doable—we’ll be traveling with a driver-guide.
Feel free to mention any great tips or good homestay experiences you’ve had, since we prefer those.
Hi everyone, Kerala experts (especially Marien!)
In January, I’m planning another trip to Kerala. We’ll arrive in Kochi and travel up the coast by train to Gokarna.
So I’m reaching out to ask if it’s worth stopping for a few days in any of the following spots (not all, of course—just one or two that are really worth it...). From what I’ve seen, few Western tourists stop along this coast, given how little info there is about it:
Mahe, Thalassery, Taliparamba, Nileshwar, Bekal, Kasaragod
I’m not mentioning Kannur because we’ve already been there, specifically Thottada Beach, and we’re familiar with the southern destinations (Trivandrum, Kovalam, etc.).
Thanks for your replies!
Anne
Hello,
My husband and I usually spend a month in January/February in southern India. We end our trip in Gokarna and fly back from Vasco de Gama Airport in Dabolim. So, it might make sense to spend a few days in a nice, quiet spot in southern Goa. Do you have any recommendations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’d like to head to Upper Dolpo in September/October 2026.
Does anyone know the current state of the roads in the area?
Specifically for getting from Saldang to Dho Tarap.
Also, what do you think about the weather between September 20th and October 20th?
Any tips would be much appreciated.
I’ve already checked out the info on Martinpierre’s site—it’s super detailed about the region, but the details are a bit outdated.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Thierry





