Bien sûr, il faut relativiser ces classements parce qu'il y aura toujours un chouïa de subjectivité néanmoins, pour fréquenter les villes en tête du classement et la dernière de liste , je ne suis pas très surpris de les voir à ses places respectives!
Je crois surtout que ça peut permettre un aperçu de ce que le voyageur pourra s'attendre lorsqu'il va découvrir la ville en question mais c'est évident qu'entre la troisième place et la cinquième, personne ne verra la différence voir la vingtième !
Ceux qui ignorent le passé sont condamnés à le revivre...
Georges Santayana 1935
bah cela s explique facilement que l écologie est un mouvement bobo et que si tu es tres pauvre ou confronté a d autre problemes l ecologie passe en arriere plan
encore avec une comparaison proche le sommet de copenghague au moment ou il a fallut sortir les sous a été un échec cuisant tout autant que retentissant... ce qui démontre bien, que nous voulons laisser une planete propre au future génération avec ? les sous des autres 😏
je n'approuve ni ne reprouve je constate.
c est vrai que je faisais parti des defenseur de tana, lors de mon dernier séjours j'ai été surpris et est ressenti l'accroissement de la pollution
ça explique surtout que nous sommes dans une société où tout doit être classé et mis en compétition ...et permet à des cabinets d'étude de bien vivre !
On peut être d'accord ou pas mais lorsqu'on ne connaît pas, un classement permet d'avoir une idée plus ou moins lointaine avec une impression de grandeur tout de même....
Dire que l'écologie, c'est du domaine des bobos, il faudrait tenir ce beau discours à ses malheureux sur les côtes de Floride...
je crois qu'on gagne pas à caricaturer les choses parce chacun est libre d'avoir ses centres d'intérêts, fussent-ils pour les autres, anecdotiques ou anodins....
Mais, j'ajoute que, c'est bien sûr, pas ton cas mais Antananarivo est une ville qui a du charme même si certains ont du mal a en être persuadés ....
Ceux qui ignorent le passé sont condamnés à le revivre...
Georges Santayana 1935
pour la floride c est pas bobos ce sont des gros cons qui on voulu economiser une piece mineur 😠.
Effectivement dans ce type de classement il faut regarder qu'est ce qui est pris en compte pour le classement
Je ne sais pas si il y a des données de type afnor de facon a etudié la chose sur un plan egalitaire et non sur un plan de comment on veut ecrire l article.
Le charme de tana je le défends
c est sur qu avec du fric les sept collines se preteraient bien à un délire agréable à vivre
je faisais juste remarquer que cette année pour la premiere fois, j'ai été géné par la pollution alors est ce que parcequ elle s accroit réellement ou est ce qu on nous soule avec la pollution toujours est il que cette année elle m a génée.
Tu sais, moi aussi, j'ai été gênée par la pollution à Tana. Quintes de toux à répétition dès que j'y reste une semaine.
Maintenant, pour ce qui est du classement des villes écologiques 🤪, je me demande ce qu'ils entendent par "ville écologique" ? Parce qu'aucune des villes citées ne l'est. Pour l'instant, un village écologique, je veux bien. Mais une ville ? Vous allez peut-être penser qu'il faudrait que je sorte de ma brousse varoise.
Si je veux vivre dans un milieu écolo, je pars à la campagne. Bon, d'accord, y a des campagnes polluées ! Alors je pars dans la Nature.
En ville, je peux avoir un comportement écologique, comme plein d'autres personnes mais de là à ce que la ville elle-même soit "écologique"...
OK ! Je sors...
😛
de là à ce que la ville elle-même soit "écologique"...
Aussi surprenant que cela puisse paraître, une ville est plus "écologique" que la campagne.
Il n'est qu'à penser tout ce que votre "Si je veux vivre dans un milieu écolo, je pars à la campagne" suppose d'infrastructures, d'équipements, de transports, de déplacements, etc., pour le concevoir plus clairement.
salut, bientôt au pays ? en fait je ne sais pas ce que signifie "ville écologique" mais pour Mada, ok avec toi, a Tana, alors que dans ma campagne, Tamatave ou Mananara eh bien je me sens bien, pas de toux, pas mal au dos, etc. la forme quoi !
pour en revenir au mot "écolo" c'est un peu galvaudé par beaucoup de "bobos" (pardon Mesrob) je sais que tu n'aimes pas ce mot...Et c'est aussi le panache de certains pseudos intellos qui veulent se donner de l'importance, ça fait bien de dire : - je suis écolo.
je pense qu'il y a bien d'autres façons de respecter la nature et de la protéger, et cela ne pourra que se répercuter sur nous....
a Bientôt j'espère a Mada....😉 gégé.
Tu sais, on utilise beaucoup d'expressions qui sont galvaudées ou prises avec une connotation péjorative....mais c'est vrai que c'est principalement un soucis de pays nantis sauf qu'à Madagascar, le minimum ne serait pas un luxe entre déforestation, érosion pour ne parler que de cela....sans penser aux conséquences sur la population.....et demain, les produits phytosanitaires qui entrent aujourd'hui à pas feutrés dans certaines rizières ainsi que des engrais sans trop regarder les étiquettes.....
Certains diront encore que c'est mon pessimisme qui me fait voir les choses ainsi mais lorsqu'on constate à quelle vitesse certaines multinationales s'engouffrent sur ces marchés qui s'éveillent pour fourguer des produits interdits en Europe ou pour liquider les invendus, on est en droit d'être réservé sur un avenir très incertain même au niveau d'un quelconque respect des milieux naturels....
Ceux qui ignorent le passé sont condamnés à le revivre...
Georges Santayana 1935
c est effectivement ce que je dis
et on devrait d abord se mettre d accord sur un standart
un standart par nombre d habitants car c est une evidence une campagne peut etre moins polluer qu une ville mais avoir un mauvais rapport par habitant
alors avant de faire des recherches ils faudrait ce mettre d accord sur le systeme pris en compte et valider par tous
ce qui n arrangerais pas les bureaux d etudes qui eux polluent par une facturation surment surfacturation car subventionné !!!
oui, mais comme tu sais ,
sauf qu'à Madagascar, le minimum ne serait pas un luxe entre déforestation, érosion pour ne parler que de cela....sans penser aux conséquences sur la population...
nous sommes dans une spirale infernale, comment peut on demander aux gens de penser a cela alors qu'ils ont faim, n'ont rien etc.... that is the question ?
et que ce problème est le dernier des soucis pour les politiques....
Oui, bien sûr tout le sait et personne ne fait rien ou si peu sous prétexte que la pauvreté explique et permet tout même de transformer un pays en désert...
En fait, comme dans l'esprit malgache, ce qui est important c'est maintenant et au mieux ce soir ! comment alors avoir une pensée pour les générations futures pas vraiment leurs problèmes! mais demain, il sera peut-être trop tard et les forumeurs de demain accuseront la CI de ne pas avoir imposé à ce pays une lutte efficace contre !
Lorsqu'on qu'on constate que les derniers bois de rose sont coupés en totale interdiction au profit des amis chinois de ce pays qui font leur zoma en matières premières tout en vendant leurs productions de babioles à usage unique vue leur qualité ! , on pourra toujours dire et crier sur l'ancien colonisateur comme le fait à merveille une partie de la diaspora mais lui a essayé de lutter contre cela, avec certainement les moyens de l'époque mais il avait un esprit de conservation des milieux naturels pour le futur..... Le problème n'avance pas parce que les politiques de ce pays laissent faire et ont d'autres préoccupations sonnantes et trébuchantes à faire valoir....Présenter les parcs nationaux comme un joyau national c'est noyer le poisson de la triste réalité, c'est faire avec eux ce qui se fait aujourd'hui avec les derniers bois de rose !
Ceux qui ignorent le passé sont condamnés à le revivre...
Georges Santayana 1935
oui....
on pourra toujours dire et crier sur l'ancien colonisateur comme le fait à merveille une partie de la diaspora
et ils oublient qu'ils le font alors qu'ils vivent chez...L'ancien colonisateur et profitent de ses avantages, Facile alors de le critiquer .. Voudraient - ils qu'on leur demande de retourner vivre a Mada pour prouver ce qu'ils prônent pour le pays...? et aider sa reconstruction 😄 .....
C'est tout l'ambiguïté d'une diaspora, crier lorsqu'on est dans un camp puis dire son contraire ou presque lorsqu'on est dans l'autre....ce qui revient à dire qu'en bon opportuniste qui refuse de le reconnaître, on prend ce qui a de meilleur dans chaque camp quitte à ne plus être crédible pour personne....
Être à cheval sur deux cultures, il faut choisir sans renier bien sûr l'autre....exercice difficile, il faut plusieurs générations pour ça !
Ceux qui ignorent le passé sont condamnés à le revivre...
Georges Santayana 1935
Hello everyone! 🙂🙂,
A BIG thank you to all the travelers who sent us postcards this year—my students are becoming real geography whizzes!!!!!!!! I’m renewing my call for your kindness this year! We’re also working on food, so if your postcards can make our mouths water with local dishes, traditional meals, or typical recipes, that’d be amazing!!
Here’s a quick recap of the project:
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globetrotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse, working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m starting a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of the journal will focus on opening up to the world, diversity, travel, countries, culture...
I’m launching a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a little postcard (from France or anywhere in the world!) to take us on a journey and help us discover new places, countries, and horizons—much more fun and exciting than a regular geography textbook! One section of our journal could be called "We received mail from " and would be an opportunity to research that location and share what we learn with our readers (a super enriching activity in class).
The project starts in September 2025 but has no real end date, as this journal and world discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in my ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! (The kids will find them when they return.)
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow traveler friends. Make us dream, take us on a journey!!!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!!
Thank you in advance for your participation(s)! Below is our address. Feel free to leave your own address on a corner of the postcard if you’d like us to write back! 😊
The ULIS program students
Bonnat Elementary School
12 rue Georges Sand
23220 BONNAT
Thank you, and see you soon, I hope! 😁
Julien
Many of us have noticed that bugs have been making it difficult to navigate the forum lately.
I’ll let Kate and Ticapi explain the issue:
I went to your profile to check out the Thailand travel journal, and when I clicked on it, it brought me back here again. All week, I’ve been dealing with bugs like this—it’s really discouraging from continuing on VF.🙁
I had the same thing happen, and multiple times. For me, it was Montagnard’s latest journal that kept coming up no matter which discussion I clicked on.
BOLIVIA: THE COUNTRY ON THE BRINK (What's Really Happening)
A dramatic saga is unfolding before our eyes in the Andes. Between suffocating blockades, clashes, an international airlift, and historic political decisions, Bolivia has just experienced 48 hours of rare intensity.
Here’s the full breakdown (economic, social, and political) of the last 48 hours:
For travelers and tourists: the article also includes an important note about the upcoming publication (starting tomorrow) of the precise status of roadblocks, route by route.
I’ll post the full update here on Voyage Forum!
Don’t miss this in-depth analysis. History is being written before our eyes! https://www.petitherge.com/bolivie-paralysie-et-ultimatum
I just discovered a great show on Arte.
It's called "7 en route": seven young European journalists travel around Europe in a fully converted bus, making reports on every city they visit. It's amazing! 🙂
Yesterday, for example, they were in Rome, Italy, and the reports included things like the world's smallest restaurant—a super romantic spot for two. There was also a report on the king of paparazzi in Italy.
They have to pick topics that let us discover the little quirks of each country. And at the end of each episode, we get to see the finished report.
It's such a great show, mixing journalism, travel, and discovery—basically, a must-watch!
It airs in the evening starting at 6:50 PM (I think), and it started this past Monday, July 14th.
If you watch it, let me know—we can chat about it!
I left my heart’s country eight days ago and returned to my adopted one—or was it the other way around? Scotland-Morvan, Morvan-Scotland, I’m not quite sure anymore.
After a quarter without dragging my slippers around here, even though I’d loudly declared I had no interest left in this site, here I am again!
My imagination never stays fallow for long. Just enough time for my inner land to rest. It gets overgrown with fresh nettles, the kind you can pick without getting stung. Then, it’s time to till the fragrant earth and let the story grow.
I hesitated over where to set this story.
Maybe the Highlands, maybe the Hebrides, maybe the Orkney Islands, maybe the Shetland Islands. All of Scotland is myth—easy to embroider.
But in the end, no. I’d almost be too afraid to bare my soul.
The story will take place at home. Simple, practical.
1)
This morning, I was up well before dawn, feeling a bit grumpy, but nothing a bowl of coffee won’t fix. I love my bowl, and no one dares take it. It’s porcelain, edged with intertwined blue flowers. On the bottom, it says "Revol." The factory has existed long before the Revolution. It was my great-grandmother’s bowl. She drank roasted barley from it during the war, then her Leroux chicory.
Last year, a little guy dropped it. My bowl broke into three pieces. A black anger vibrated deep inside me. The little boy was so upset, on the verge of tears. How could I scold him!
I picked up the three pieces and took Little Boy in my arms. His hair smelled of the light, sweet sweat of toddlers. A gentle hug that healed—his budding sorrow and my anger—everything vanished, and time carried on.
Today, my bowl is even prettier. Man fixed it using the traditional kintsugi technique, except he didn’t use gold powder or lacquer but superglue, and he delicately painted the cracks with woad blue. And my bowl is even more beautiful now.
I’m lingering, I can tell—it’s just that a story wraps itself in life, and life can’t be told in the snap of a finger. Life is long. Like in architecture, you start with a rough sketch, called a "sous-cul" (the initial pencil drawing), then you make a tracing, which is the work itself, the one you later carefully roll up in a wooden tube.
Life is like that: you erase, you start over, you use the nub of the pencil until it’s tiny, but you keep going—dreaming, loving.
"Living is a full-time occupation, a unique adventure. Always a surprise and a wonder, which sometimes turns into astonishment. And, from time to time, happiness."*
Alright, enough digressing—this introduction is definitely too long.
Tomorrow, I’ll get to the heart of the matter.
(I hate that expression; it feels like I’m cutting into someone’s skin.)
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
hi there
I’d love to get some opinions—I’ve never used Airbnb before.
They’re offering a key handover via lockbox.
Any tips or advice?
Is it reliable?
Best,
Hi there, I’m Laura, and I’m looking for a few people to answer some questions so I can understand your travel wishes and challenges. It won’t take long—I can chat here, by email, or by phone. Don’t worry, I’m not selling anything! 😊
On this forum, we talk a lot about trekking in the Himalayas, but I’d love to share another side of Nepal: its spiritual, cultural, and religious atmosphere, especially in Kathmandu.
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Hi,
I’m landing in Quebec and then heading to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. I’d like to rent a pick-up. My question is: does this vehicle come with a cover and is it secure enough to store luggage in? I’ve heard two conflicting opinions. Thanks
I just installed the Maps.Me app on my phone. I only recently found out about this app. I’m traveling in 2 weeks and a few days, and I’m a bit stuck on how to use it.
I’m from the Montreal (Quebec) area, and I’d love to know if there’s a kind soul out there who could help me get started and use the app at least minimally.
If there are private lessons available, I’d be interested in those too.
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport.
Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers.
I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right?
Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost?
Thanks for your help!
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15.
The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG.
In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam.
We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM.
So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG.
So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this?
Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt.
At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €.
Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Hi there!
I’m heading to Thailand for two months.
So I thought I’d get a Thai SIM card to use Google Maps for getting around cities, mostly.
Here’s my question: will this SIM affect my apps? Or will they work the same as with my Orange SIM?
Is there any setup I need to do, or can I just pop in the Thai SIM?
I’d also like to switch back to my Orange SIM now and then while I’m in Thailand—on the same phone. Will I need to reset the phone, or will it reconnect without any issues?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Best,
Huiclos
Hi, I’d like to know where we can buy beer or wine in Chefchaouen and around Merzouga. We’ll be doing a circuit and staying at the Parador Hotel in Chefchaouen and in a bivouac in Merzouga.
Thanks for any info you can share!
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globe-trotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m launching a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of this journal will focus on opening up to the world, embracing differences, travel, global cultures, and more.
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students
Bonnat Elementary School
12 rue Georges Sand
23220 BONNAT
Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊
Julien
🙂
Hi there! I have to leave Ivato/Antananarivo on December 16th. I have a lot of ariary that I’d like to exchange for euros since I might not be coming back to Madagascar (after this 21st trip). I think the exchange office at Ivato also buys ariary back. If any of you have seen the rate for this buyback in advance, thanks a million!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for a website that would let me plot my travel route in advance so I can print it out. The idea is to create a map with a little “me” on a bike that my parents can move along as I progress, since I’m planning to cycle all the way to Nepal.
If any of you have done something similar or know of a good tool, I’d love to hear your tips!
Thanks in advance! 😊
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening.
Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations?
Thanks,
Emma
Hello. We’re a retired couple heading to Sri Lanka from January to March. After the November floods, I’d like to know if we can offer hands-on help to the locals, maybe pack some clothes or other items people might need in our luggage, and who we could give them to. Thanks for any info from those on the ground.
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar.
It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal?
It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland).
It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks...
There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal.
That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is.
The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai...
They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive.
Anyway...
I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood...
The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded.
The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call!
So, if you’re camping there, be careful...
Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
