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SVP, quelqu'un peut il me dire s'il est possible de se rendre directement à Cuzco depuis Aréquipa sans passer par Juliaca?
Combien de temps? et à quel prix?
Merci d'avance! Ciao
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Trajet Arequipa/Cuzco sans passer par Juliaca? (Pérou)
by Sinople
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Quand on regarde sur la carte c'est sûr qu'il y a une route (ou une piste?) plus directe que de passer par Juliaca, par contre je ne sais pas si les bus passent par là?
J'espère que tu auras une réponse!
Néanmoins la route qui passe par Juliaca est superbe, cela doit faire dans les 10 heures au total, si je ne me trompe?
J'avais cherché en Octobre.rien trouvé, tu dois passer pas Juliaca. A moins peut etre de faire plein de petites etapes, mais ca m'etonnerait.
Le trajet est en effet tres beau, et ca ne sera pas plus rapide par une autre route.Il me semble que le trajet durait plutot 7h, mais pas certaine.
Tou ça est trés mystérieux...
Il s'agit peut être s'une route sacrée innaccessible aux touristes! Ou peut être le chemin perdu de l'Eldorado!😉
Non, sans déconner, c'est étrange, il ya bel et bien une route qui fait Aréquipa/Ciszo en direct, mais personne ne semble l'avoir emprunter. Le guide du routard ne la mentionne même pas! En fait, je souhaiterais aller à Cusco depuis Arequipa avant de me rendre à Puno pour pursuivre vers la Bolivie. C'est pourquoi, si je pouvais éviter de passer par là à l'aller, je gagnerais sans doute un peu de temps.
Bref, si quelqu'un à mener son enquête sur la question, merci de me tenir au courant! Sinon on verra sur place...
Ciao
Mat
Il s'agit peut être s'une route sacrée innaccessible aux touristes! Ou peut être le chemin perdu de l'Eldorado!😉
Non, sans déconner, c'est étrange, il ya bel et bien une route qui fait Aréquipa/Ciszo en direct, mais personne ne semble l'avoir emprunter. Le guide du routard ne la mentionne même pas! En fait, je souhaiterais aller à Cusco depuis Arequipa avant de me rendre à Puno pour pursuivre vers la Bolivie. C'est pourquoi, si je pouvais éviter de passer par là à l'aller, je gagnerais sans doute un peu de temps.
Bref, si quelqu'un à mener son enquête sur la question, merci de me tenir au courant! Sinon on verra sur place...
Ciao
Mat
En camion probablement, les bus eux passent tous par Juliaca.
Depuis Arequipa 8h et +/- 25 soles
Le plus bete est je crois Tacna/Desaguadero/Juliaca/Puno ... J'en ai de la chance 🤪
A titre d'info 10h, 18 soles ou 40 en semi-cama. Il y a un 3eme terminal au fin fond de Tacna, c'est de celui-ci que partent les autres bus pour Puno. Dans le terminal terrestre national seulement 2 Cies et toutes les 2 a 40 soles 😕
oui il est possible de se rendre d'Aréquipa à Cuzco sans passer par Juliaca, mais cela n'est pas forcément la solution la plus rapide ni surtout la plus confortable.
Nous avons emprunté cette route en 2004 par la Cie PUMA pour le prix de 30 S par personne.( le trajet Aréquipa Cuzco vie Juliaca en pullman coutait à l'époque environ 100 S )
Mais cette route n'est pas goudonnée sur une très grande partie du trajet.
On retrouve la route goudronné à Sicuani à environ 150 km de Cuzco.
Aucune grande Cie ne fait ces routes de traverse.
il faut compter au moins 12 h de trajet, la route est très dure ( éviter les places à l'arrière du bus ) mais les paysages sont superbes.
Un des avantages c'est que le trajet se fait de jour.
Nous avons à plusieur reprises refait le parcour Aréquipa Cuzco et nous sommes toujours passés par Juliaca, mais nous gardons tout de même un très bon souvenir de ce trajet très dur mais magnifique..
Oui il existe une autre route, qui était d'ailleurs la route que l'on utilisait il y a quelques années.
Mais comme maintenant l'itinéraire via Juliaca est entièrement goudronné les bus utilisent cette route même si elle est beaucoup plus longue.
Pour parcourir l'ancienne route il faudra voyager avec des camions ou utiliser une succession de transports locaux d'un village à un autre.
Pour parcourir l'ancienne route il faudra voyager avec des camions ou utiliser une succession de transports locaux d'un village à un autre.
Hola!
Merci pour ces précieux renseignements!
Je crois que si j'ai le temps j'irais explorer cette route abandonnée des touristes... Je suis sur que les paysages et les gens qui vivent dans ces vallées en valent la peine!
Juste une ptite question cependant, le stop marche-t-il bien au Pérou? et les transport en camion ne sont-il pas un peu risqués?
Merci encore!
Merci pour ces précieux renseignements!
Je crois que si j'ai le temps j'irais explorer cette route abandonnée des touristes... Je suis sur que les paysages et les gens qui vivent dans ces vallées en valent la peine!
Juste une ptite question cependant, le stop marche-t-il bien au Pérou? et les transport en camion ne sont-il pas un peu risqués?
Merci encore!
Juste une ptite question cependant, le stop marche-t-il bien au Pérou? et les transport en camion ne sont-il pas un peu risqués?
Le stop marche très bien. Par contre sur une route telle que celle que vous envisagez il n'y a pratiquement pas de véhicules privés. Donc on voyage avec des camions dont la fonction est de transporter passagers et marchandises moyennant paiement. C'est certainement l'un des meilleurs moyens de découvrir le Pérou et d'avoir des contacts avec les habitants.
Les voyageurs d'aujourd'hui qui se déplacent en autocars de luxe ne s'imaginent pas ce qu'ils perdent en ne parcourant pas les Andes juchés sur un camion transportant cochons, patates et une foule de gens se rendant au prochain marché !
Le stop marche très bien. Par contre sur une route telle que celle que vous envisagez il n'y a pratiquement pas de véhicules privés. Donc on voyage avec des camions dont la fonction est de transporter passagers et marchandises moyennant paiement. C'est certainement l'un des meilleurs moyens de découvrir le Pérou et d'avoir des contacts avec les habitants.
Les voyageurs d'aujourd'hui qui se déplacent en autocars de luxe ne s'imaginent pas ce qu'ils perdent en ne parcourant pas les Andes juchés sur un camion transportant cochons, patates et une foule de gens se rendant au prochain marché !
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27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello everyone!
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine