Bonjour,
En vue d'une installation possible à Vichy, quelqu'un pourrait-il me donner une fourchette en euros des différentes taxes locales?
Merci!
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Rech. filles pour randos VTT/VTC! :)
Impots locaux à Vichy
by Randocool
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Rech. filles pour randos VTT/VTC! :)
Impossible de te donner une fourchette en euros.
Les impôts locaux sont assis sur la VL (valeur locative) du bien immobilier.
Ce que tu peux obtenir ce sont les taux d'imposition (taxe foncière et taxe d'habitation) de la commune et des autres collectivités locales (département, région et communauté de communes) ainsi que le taux de la TEOM (taxe d'enlèvement des ordures ménagères).
Si ça t'intéresse, passe en MP, je te répondrai.
Salut :)
Sur le site de Vichy, on peut trouver les taux suivants :
2003Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% 2004Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% 2005Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% 2006Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% Or, je ne sais pas à partir de quelles valeurs calculer. Par exemple, comment connaitre la valeur locative d'un bien qu'on achèterait à 100 000 euros?
Si on peut en faire profiter tout le monde à partir d'un exemple hypothétique, ça serait mieux que des MPs.
Merci encore.
Sur le site de Vichy, on peut trouver les taux suivants :
2003Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% 2004Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% 2005Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% 2006Taxe d'habitation : 16, 56% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés bâties : 21, 70% Taxe Fonciere sur les propriétés non bâties : 24, 52% Or, je ne sais pas à partir de quelles valeurs calculer. Par exemple, comment connaitre la valeur locative d'un bien qu'on achèterait à 100 000 euros?
Si on peut en faire profiter tout le monde à partir d'un exemple hypothétique, ça serait mieux que des MPs.
Merci encore.
Rech. filles pour randos VTT/VTC! :)
Le seul moyen de connaître la VL d'un bien c'est de demander au propriétaire.
Voici les taux en 2007 (je suppose que le foncier non bâti ne t'intéresse pas)
Taux de la commune : TH : 16, 56 FB : 21, 70
Taux de la communauté d'agglomération : TH : 0, 303 FB : 0, 384
Taux du département : TH : 8, 81 FB : 9, 84
Taux de la région : pas de TH dans les régions FB : 4, 54
Taux TEOM : 6, 46
Voici les taux en 2007 (je suppose que le foncier non bâti ne t'intéresse pas)
Taux de la commune : TH : 16, 56 FB : 21, 70
Taux de la communauté d'agglomération : TH : 0, 303 FB : 0, 384
Taux du département : TH : 8, 81 FB : 9, 84
Taux de la région : pas de TH dans les régions FB : 4, 54
Taux TEOM : 6, 46
Merci pour ces infos! :)
Tous les taux que tu as listé sont-ils cumulatifs ou paie-t-on uniquement ceux à l'échelle communale?
Sinon, j'ai trouvé cette explication pour le mode de calcul de la VL : http://www.universimmo.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46241 Je n'y comprends absolument rien ahaha :)
Peut-être serait-il plus simple de trouver un classement des villes par coût des taxes locales. J'en ai trouvé deux ou trois mais Vichy n'y figure malheureusement pas, car pas assez grande.
Tous les taux que tu as listé sont-ils cumulatifs ou paie-t-on uniquement ceux à l'échelle communale?
Sinon, j'ai trouvé cette explication pour le mode de calcul de la VL : http://www.universimmo.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46241 Je n'y comprends absolument rien ahaha :)
Peut-être serait-il plus simple de trouver un classement des villes par coût des taxes locales. J'en ai trouvé deux ou trois mais Vichy n'y figure malheureusement pas, car pas assez grande.
Rech. filles pour randos VTT/VTC! :)
Les impôts locaux sont aux profits des 4 collectivités locales que j'ai citées.
On dirait que tu n'as jamais regardé ton avis de taxe d'habitation, ou alors tu n'as jamais payé d'impôt local ?
Ben tu demandes à tes parents de te monter un avis d'imposition et tu comprendras mieux.
Chaque collectivité a son budget de fonctionnement, le budget étant alimenté en partie par l'Etat (de moins en moins) et en partie par les impôts locaux et taxes locales diverses.
Concernant les impôts locaux, les collectivités votent chaque année des taux d'imposition.
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Est-ce qu'il n'y a pas une loi qui protège le client dans ce genre de cas? Car si je fais le compte, le premier et une partie du deuxième jour ont été consacrés au transport, de même pour l'avant dernier et le dernier jour; Et j'ai payé 7 nuits pour un séjour qui n'en a duré que 5.
En tout cas je leur dis merci car grâce à eux et aux deux nuits blanches passées dans les transports, je rentre encore plus fatigué d'un voyage sensé m'apporter du repos!
Je mets aussi en garde ceux qui réservent par cette agence pour les visas en Egypte. A la réservation on m'a dit que le visa était inclus dans le prix, ensuite on m'a envoyé un mail pour me dire qu'il faudrait le payer sur place à 25€. une fois sur place on nous fait emprunter une file spéciale pour les clients FTI et là on nous fait payer 30€!
Bref ils sont doués pour vous faire profiter de vos vacances, en tout cas ils profitent bien de votre portefeuille!
Si quelqu'un a déjà rencontré ce cas de figure et obtenu gain de cause, je suis toute ouïe.
Merci d'avance!
Hi there!
I’m heading to Thailand for two months.
So I thought I’d get a Thai SIM card to use Google Maps for getting around cities, mostly.
Here’s my question: will this SIM affect my apps? Or will they work the same as with my Orange SIM?
Is there any setup I need to do, or can I just pop in the Thai SIM?
I’d also like to switch back to my Orange SIM now and then while I’m in Thailand—on the same phone. Will I need to reset the phone, or will it reconnect without any issues?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Best,
Huiclos
Just got back from Egypt a few days ago and couldn't exchange my 1900 Egyptian pounds at the airport. If anyone's interested, let me know!
Hi, I’d like to know where we can buy beer or wine in Chefchaouen and around Merzouga. We’ll be doing a circuit and staying at the Parador Hotel in Chefchaouen and in a bivouac in Merzouga.
Thanks for any info you can share!
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globe-trotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m launching a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of this journal will focus on opening up to the world, embracing differences, travel, global cultures, and more.
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
Hi there! I have to leave Ivato/Antananarivo on December 16th. I have a lot of ariary that I’d like to exchange for euros since I might not be coming back to Madagascar (after this 21st trip). I think the exchange office at Ivato also buys ariary back. If any of you have seen the rate for this buyback in advance, thanks a million!
Hi there, I use video and photo editing software for my "work".
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for a website that would let me plot my travel route in advance so I can print it out. The idea is to create a map with a little “me” on a bike that my parents can move along as I progress, since I’m planning to cycle all the way to Nepal.
If any of you have done something similar or know of a good tool, I’d love to hear your tips!
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi,
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
Hello. We’re a retired couple heading to Sri Lanka from January to March. After the November floods, I’d like to know if we can offer hands-on help to the locals, maybe pack some clothes or other items people might need in our luggage, and who we could give them to. Thanks for any info from those on the ground.
Hello,
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Hi,
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Hello,
A white rental Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 carrying foreign tourists was attacked at the entrance of Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park in the village of Bekopaka, western Madagascar, yesterday. So far, there’s been no response from the central government to curb these repeated armed attacks—usually between Malagasy people, but this time targeting foreign tourists.
A white rental Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 carrying foreign tourists was attacked at the entrance of Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park in the village of Bekopaka, western Madagascar, yesterday. So far, there’s been no response from the central government to curb these repeated armed attacks—usually between Malagasy people, but this time targeting foreign tourists.
Hello fellow travelers,
After an engine failure in mid-2016 on a long-haul flight from BRISBANE to LYON, I developed a persistent aviophobia that I’m struggling to shake off. It’s becoming more and more of a hindrance.
Up until now, I’ve been using an avoidance strategy (for example, avoiding destinations that would require any other mode of transport than a car or train), but lately, it’s become really limiting.
I’m looking for a therapist—either in-person or via video call—who could help me get past this hurdle.
Thanks in advance for your help!
After an engine failure in mid-2016 on a long-haul flight from BRISBANE to LYON, I developed a persistent aviophobia that I’m struggling to shake off. It’s becoming more and more of a hindrance.
Up until now, I’ve been using an avoidance strategy (for example, avoiding destinations that would require any other mode of transport than a car or train), but lately, it’s become really limiting.
I’m looking for a therapist—either in-person or via video call—who could help me get past this hurdle.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hello everyone.
First and foremost, I hope this topic won’t just focus on my region—the South of France—and that those of you who enjoy exchanging ideas will share what makes your own regions special.
Personally, I’ve often wanted to push back when people call us vulgar (though I’ll admit I sometimes play it up). At heart, we pure-blooded Southerners just have our own way of expressing ourselves, which differs from other regions. We also get heated in conversations pretty easily (some researchers say it’s the influence of the sun and climate in general).
What some perceive as vulgar, we don’t see that way at all.
Do you want a uniform world with no differences? If so, how do you handle traveling to places with cultures completely different from your own?
In the travel community, the word "authenticity" comes up a lot, and it often takes priority in people’s searches.
In my specific case, speaking a purely regional language without having gone to school for it doesn’t help with understanding on this forum. That’s what creates what you call controversies—and what I call passionate exchanges.
I remember a reply from a member in this thread: https://voyageforum.com/forum/ma-vie-en-camargue-pays-origine-en-colombie-pays-c-ur-d10778555/
It left me speechless and ended the conversation because, for him, that’s just how he sees things, and he refuses to debate it, sticking to his position. I’ll quote him, hoping he won’t hold it against me:
"For me, things like bullfighting, boxing, football, and MMA are just tangible proof that human evolution is still at a primitive stage."
For him, our Latin-origin bullfights are barbaric customs. For us *taurins*, we need to see men face wild beasts (bulls and *toros*) at the risk of their lives every day. Does that make us barbarians?
We’ve always had this need to confront death—it’s in our genes.
Take the example he gave about football: fans of the sport would be considered mentally underdeveloped. But what about a kid who’s passionate about the game and has that drive to be a winner, just like a boxer or athletes in other violent sports?
As a traveler myself, passionate about old stones and beautiful historic buildings, I’ve visited Rome but couldn’t fully appreciate it. Religion is everywhere, and I felt like I had a lead weight on my head realizing that millions of people worldwide have believed in a god for millennia.
I’ve also judged believers for basing their faith on archaic texts that don’t prove a god (or gods) ever existed—I still think that, but I’m open to being proven wrong so I can say, "You’ve convinced me I was mistaken."
- If everyone clings to their own ideas and positions, no discussion is possible, and that’s a shame.
I’ll take away two things from my forum interactions: some accuse me of being omnipresent when I just love exchanging ideas. My way of speaking is misunderstood (regional differences), even if I’ll admit I sometimes turn up the heat—or rather, the *aïoli* —which for me is just lively debates 🔥 (a regional specialty).
And my "mocking" side, which I really need to work on.
This topic isn’t just about me—I hope other forum members will share their own regional "specialties" . For example, in Alsace, some older folks switch to their local language when they don’t want outsiders to understand, and I still don’t know if it’s German or something else.
https://www.marseille-tourisme.com/decouvrez-marseille/traditions/le-parler-marseillais/
https://www.lexpress.fr/informations/accent-du-midi-ave-ou-sans_642635.html
First and foremost, I hope this topic won’t just focus on my region—the South of France—and that those of you who enjoy exchanging ideas will share what makes your own regions special.
Personally, I’ve often wanted to push back when people call us vulgar (though I’ll admit I sometimes play it up). At heart, we pure-blooded Southerners just have our own way of expressing ourselves, which differs from other regions. We also get heated in conversations pretty easily (some researchers say it’s the influence of the sun and climate in general).
What some perceive as vulgar, we don’t see that way at all.
Do you want a uniform world with no differences? If so, how do you handle traveling to places with cultures completely different from your own?
In the travel community, the word "authenticity" comes up a lot, and it often takes priority in people’s searches.
In my specific case, speaking a purely regional language without having gone to school for it doesn’t help with understanding on this forum. That’s what creates what you call controversies—and what I call passionate exchanges.
I remember a reply from a member in this thread: https://voyageforum.com/forum/ma-vie-en-camargue-pays-origine-en-colombie-pays-c-ur-d10778555/
It left me speechless and ended the conversation because, for him, that’s just how he sees things, and he refuses to debate it, sticking to his position. I’ll quote him, hoping he won’t hold it against me:
"For me, things like bullfighting, boxing, football, and MMA are just tangible proof that human evolution is still at a primitive stage."
For him, our Latin-origin bullfights are barbaric customs. For us *taurins*, we need to see men face wild beasts (bulls and *toros*) at the risk of their lives every day. Does that make us barbarians?
We’ve always had this need to confront death—it’s in our genes.
Take the example he gave about football: fans of the sport would be considered mentally underdeveloped. But what about a kid who’s passionate about the game and has that drive to be a winner, just like a boxer or athletes in other violent sports?
As a traveler myself, passionate about old stones and beautiful historic buildings, I’ve visited Rome but couldn’t fully appreciate it. Religion is everywhere, and I felt like I had a lead weight on my head realizing that millions of people worldwide have believed in a god for millennia.
I’ve also judged believers for basing their faith on archaic texts that don’t prove a god (or gods) ever existed—I still think that, but I’m open to being proven wrong so I can say, "You’ve convinced me I was mistaken."
- If everyone clings to their own ideas and positions, no discussion is possible, and that’s a shame.
I’ll take away two things from my forum interactions: some accuse me of being omnipresent when I just love exchanging ideas. My way of speaking is misunderstood (regional differences), even if I’ll admit I sometimes turn up the heat—or rather, the *aïoli* —which for me is just lively debates 🔥 (a regional specialty).
And my "mocking" side, which I really need to work on.
This topic isn’t just about me—I hope other forum members will share their own regional "specialties" . For example, in Alsace, some older folks switch to their local language when they don’t want outsiders to understand, and I still don’t know if it’s German or something else.
https://www.marseille-tourisme.com/decouvrez-marseille/traditions/le-parler-marseillais/
https://www.lexpress.fr/informations/accent-du-midi-ave-ou-sans_642635.html