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Bolivia: Exploring the South Lipez by Self-Drive (page 16 of 21)

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Bolivia: South Lipez in self-drive

Ticapi · 2020-03-14 · Message 301 of 401

We decide not to go through San Pablo de Lipez but head toward San Antonio de Esmoruco and take a small track up to Guadalupe. The road to San Antonio isn’t very smooth, but the landscape with its colorful mountains is stunning. It feels like the Wild West.

To our great surprise, we spot two condors soaring above the canyon. They’re quite far away, but you can still make out their white collars. What a surprise—we weren’t expecting to see any here at all! ๐Ÿ™‚













The track up to Guadalupe is marked by a small wooden sign. It’s the same route maps.me wants to take us on—perfect. The track climbs steeply, it’s very narrow, and there are lots of bends. After a while, it becomes almost impassable, but we push on. Unfortunately, not for long—the water has carved deep ruts, and the bends get harder and harder to navigate. We’re six kilometers from Guadalupe when we come across a huge hole. At this bend, the track has simply disappeared, and there’s no way through. ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ

Luckily, this stretch of track is a bit wider, and Benoรฎt manages to turn around, though it takes several maneuvers. We’re disappointed—we have to go back down to the junction and find another route. With maps.me’s help, I quickly find a solution. We have two options: either take another 13-kilometer track up to Guadalupe or descend 4 kilometers to San Antonio de Esmoruco and skip Guadalupe. It’s late, so we decide to head to San Antonio for the night. The track is beautiful, and we get to see some amazing rock formations.





We quickly find a hostel and ask to see the room and bathroom. We don’t even step inside—we don’t want to spend the night in a place like that. Everything’s dirty, and the woman says she’ll clean, but we’d rather leave and sleep in the car. We head back up the track, hoping to find a spot to settle down. But for several kilometers, we can’t leave the track, and I really don’t want to sleep somewhere with passing traffic. In the end, we decide to go up to Guadalupe. What a waste of time!

The sun has already set behind the mountains by the time we reach Guadalupe. We quickly find someone who goes to fetch a woman who rents out rooms. Like in San Antonio, I ask to see the room. It’s basic but very clean, and there’s a bathroom in the courtyard. We’ll be staying “at” Celia’s—she charges us 70 bolivianos for the room.

The headboard is still wrapped up

Celia doesn’t cook, so we’ll have to fend for ourselves. No problem—we’ve got our little stove and enough food to cook. We ask her to arrange a guide for Ciudad da Roma tomorrow morning. Celia comes back with her son, who’s willing to be our guide for the whole day. No thanks—we only want a 3-4 hour visit so we can do some walking. So Celia will be accompanying us instead.

She and her son are amazed to see our little stove with the gas canister. They’ve never seen one before and want to know how it works. Then a neighbor stops by to chat, but he quickly realizes our Spanish isn’t good enough to understand or hold a conversation. Too bad! We won’t be using the shower—the electrical wires above the showerhead don’t exactly inspire confidence.





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Ticapi · 2020-03-14 · Message 302 of 401

You might say "another lagoon!" ...but no, they’re all different and just as beautiful...๐Ÿ™‚.

Yes, they really are different, and depending on the time of day, the same lagoon can have a completely different color. In Airone’s travel journal, you can see photos of Laguna Celeste without its beautiful turquoise color, but with the mountain’s reflection instead.

Next up, no more lagoons—it’s time for landscapes that are a bit more "Far West"-style.[;)

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Max68 · 2020-03-14 · Message 303 of 401

Gorgeous photo of the flock of pink flamingos taking off, well done! ๐Ÿ™‚

And what can I say about Laguna Celeste, except that it remains one of the most beautiful for me too? ๐Ÿ˜›

Thank youuu! ๐Ÿ™‚

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Titoualsace · 2020-03-14 · Message 304 of 401

Hi Carmen. Thanks for this follow-up, still as fascinating and something I’ve been eagerly waiting for. It’s a goldmine of info for my upcoming trip. The photos are stunning! Bernard.

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Max68 · 2020-03-14 · Message 305 of 401

You guys aren’t messing around! ... because you really feel alone on the trails between Laguna Celeste and Guadalupe 😮

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Ticapi · 2020-03-17 · Message 306 of 401

Not gonna lie, you guys are pretty bold! ... because you really feel alone on the tracks between Laguna Celeste and Guadalupe ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

Yeah, you do feel pretty alone, but that’s also the point of a trip to the South Lipez.๐Ÿ˜‰ But you’ve gotta be prepared and carry enough water and food, plus a good sleeping bag. With all that, you can wait for a passing car if you run into mechanical issues. That said, you should also be aware that if you have a serious health problem, things could go badly.

Taking the track that goes through Villa Colpani and joins the main road connecting San Pablo to Guadalupe is less risky. In fact, I think almost all forum members took that route. We decided to cut through, but honestly, we didn’t see a single car all day.

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Diamina · 2020-03-18 · Message 307 of 401

Hey

Yeah, you do feel pretty alone, but that’s kind of the point of a trip to the South Lipez.

Totally!!!!๐Ÿ˜

But you also have to be aware—if you have a serious health issue, things could go really wrong.

That’s the flip side of all these completely remote spots!!!๐Ÿคช

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Max68 · 2020-03-18 · Message 308 of 401

Hi Carmen,

We decided to cut through, but it's true,

did you take the same track as us? (via Laguna Arenal and one or another laguna lost in the middle of nowhere) ๐Ÿ˜ Because we also went through San Antonio de Esmoruco.

I’m really looking forward to the rest ๐Ÿ˜› Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

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Ticapi · 2020-03-18 · Message 309 of 401

But you also have to be aware that in case of a serious health issue, things can go badly wrong.

It’s the flip side of all these completely isolated spots!!!๐Ÿคช

Yes, exactly. But I have to admit that a little adrenaline rush now and then doesn’t bother me. Sometimes I’m a bit too reckless—or maybe just clueless.๐Ÿ˜„

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Titoualsace · 2020-03-18 · Message 310 of 401

But you also have to be aware that in case of a serious health issue, things can go really wrong.

That’s the flip side of all these completely isolated spots!!!๐Ÿคช

Yes, exactly. But I must admit that a little adrenaline rush now and then doesn’t bother me. Sometimes, I might be a bit too reckless—or maybe just careless.๐Ÿ˜„

Hi Carmen, For me too, it’s the adrenaline that keeps me going—it’s an addiction you can’t shake. For me, it’s also that horizon line: what on earth will I discover beyond it? Everyone’s got their own motivation. Bernard.

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Ticapi · 2020-03-18 · Message 311 of 401

No, we didn’t take the same route as you. We took the track to Villa Collpani and Estancia Peรฑa Colorada. Then, we continued toward Relave. But about 6 km before Relave, we turned right. That’s where we didn’t take the same track as most people. We passed near Estancia El Tolar and took the track that goes up to Guadalupe. However, this track was no longer passable—the area had experienced severe bad weather, and as you’ve read, the track had completely disappeared. So we turned back and took the track to San Antonio de Esmoruco.

It was actually in this part that we were lucky enough to see condors. I didn’t think we’d see any in this region. But I found an article online that said there are some even in the Tupiza area. Though the Guadalupe sector might already be considered part of the Tupiza region.

To see the route on Maps.me, you’ll need to zoom in a lot, otherwise you won’t see the track.

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Ticapi · 2020-03-18 · Message 312 of 401

To each their own engine.

True enough. ๐Ÿ™‚

But I must admit that sometimes I’ve done things I now consider reckless. I ask myself a lot of questions beforehand, so during trip prep, but once I’m there, everything often seems easy.

I’m very careful on the roads, but much less so when hiking, in the water, etc. I love challenges, and when I set a goal, I don’t give up easily.

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Muriel18 · 2020-03-18 · Message 313 of 401

I often ask myself a lot of questions beforehand, so during trip planning, but once I'm there, everything usually seems easy.

Same here... even though in the end, I'm probably less adventurous than you because the questions I ask myself beforehand sometimes make me give up... (and since I don't travel alone, I sometimes have to make compromises too). Muriel

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Ticapi · 2020-03-18 · Message 314 of 401

I don’t travel alone either, but my husband trusts me and follows me blindly. ๐Ÿ˜

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Titoualsace · 2020-03-18 · Message 315 of 401

To each their own engine.

True enough. ๐Ÿ™‚

But I must admit that sometimes I’ve done things I’d now consider reckless. I overthink a lot beforehand—during trip prep—but once I’m there, everything seems easy.

I’m super careful on the roads, but way less so when hiking, swimming, etc. I love a challenge, and once I set a goal, I don’t give up easily.

I totally get it, and we could shake on it. Bernard.

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Titoualsace · 2020-03-18 · Message 316 of 401

I often ask myself a lot of questions beforehand, so during the trip preparation, but once I'm there, everything often seems easy.

Same here... even though in the end, I'm probably less adventurous than you because the questions I ask myself beforehand sometimes make me give up... (and since I don't travel alone, I sometimes have to make compromises too). Muriel

Hello Muriel. It's true, when you're alone, you're only responsible for yourself—it's simpler. If you ask too many questions, you end up overcomplicating things, and of course, there's the risk of giving up because you just don't have all the answers. I always tell myself: "Enough already, I'm going!" It's like skydiving—if you ask too many questions, you'll never jump out of the plane.๐Ÿ˜‰ Bernard.

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Muriel18 · 2020-03-19 · Message 317 of 401

Hi Bernard,

I always tell myself: "That’s it, I’m leaving!"

Fortunately, I don’t give up that often... you just need to replace your "always" with an "almost always" ๐Ÿ˜‰. Muriel

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Montagnard74 · 2020-03-20 · Message 318 of 401

I don’t travel alone either, but my husband trusts me and follows me blindly.๐Ÿ˜

Love is beautiful .... ๐Ÿ˜›

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Rouquine38 · 2020-03-20 · Message 319 of 401

Me too, I don’t travel alone, but my husband trusts me and follows me blindly. ๐Ÿ˜

Love is beautiful .... ๐Ÿ˜›

I gathered that for you, it’s the opposite—your wife follows you blindly... but in that case, it’s reckless... ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜

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Rjulie95 · 2020-03-20 · Message 320 of 401

I thought I understood that with you, it's the opposite—it's your wife who blindly follows you... but in that case, it's reckless... ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜

In my opinion, compared to Marati, whose wife always trusts him ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ, Montagnard is a walk in the park ๐Ÿ˜

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