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Incredible India, here we go again!!

Solene40 · 2017-10-11 · Message 21 of 106

Hey Jean Marie

No worries, I knew we could go through Allahabad, but I found the Manikpur adventure way more fun (especially since a tuk-tuk was supposed to be waiting for us, haha)!!

As for the toilets, I’ve seen people doing it often on the beaches in the South (around Pondy it was mind-blowing because even in broad daylight, just 20 meters away from us, they had no problem!!), but never by the side of the road.

However, I’m shocked to hear that the installed toilets are pay-to-use !! You’d have to be really clueless to think that those who need them the most (the poorest!) would pay to do their business when they’ve been doing it in nature their whole lives. This problem isn’t going to be solved anytime soon!!

And the trash—sometimes their logic completely baffles us, yeah!!

Even though I kept not throwing my cigarette butt on the ground throughout the trip, I still wondered why sometimes!!

But still, Chitrakoot was an exception on our route. Khajuraho, Orchha, and Agra were sparkling clean. Shows that sometimes tourism does have its perks πŸ˜‰.

But I don’t regret this stop at all because it was out of the ordinary (and not just for the bad reasons)!

See you soon Marien

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Marien33 · 2017-10-11 · Message 22 of 106

But I’m shocked to hear that the installed toilets are pay-to-use !! You’d have to be out of your mind to think the people who need them most (the poorest!) would pay to use them (...)

Because Modi cares about the poor? Oh, I must’ve misunderstood

And here I was, the whole trip never tossing my cigarette butt on the ground, wondering why sometimes!!

Anyway, you were breaking the rules. Smoking in the street is officially banned—it’s a public space... πŸ˜‰ There wasn’t a week that went by without some whole bus making a scene because I spit out a TINY piece of gum out the window... In those moments, I’m furious I don’t speak Malayalam

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Provence04 · 2017-10-11 · Message 23 of 106

That exchange was hilarious. For Malayalam, in 2009, before our trip there, I searched and found on Ebay.in (which is Ebay India) for 475 INR, or 12 €, a DVD to learn Malayalam (brand new), which I received by mail in 9 days. The payment system handled the transaction. It’s in a really fun format with games, and you can "repeat the sounds into the mic and listen to yourself"—everything’s built in. It’s not literary at all, but it helped me a lot (numbers, among other things). There’s this one little phrase I’ve since forgotten that’s super useful when dealing with overly "clingy" solicitations (like drivers or others)—it’s a game-changer. I used it once in Cochin, and the result? Big round eyes, a burst of laughter, and the person left completely stunned 🤪 I don’t know if it’s still available, but since you’re based there, it might help you out??!!

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Marien33 · 2017-10-11 · Message 24 of 106

That exchange was hilarious. For Malayalam, in 2009, before our trip there, I searched and found on Ebay.in (which is Ebay India) for 475 INR, or 12 €, a DVD to learn Malayalam (brand new), which I received by mail in 9 days. The payment system handled the transaction. It’s super fun with games, and you can "repeat the sounds into the mic and listen to yourself"—everything’s built in. It’s not literary at all, but it really helped me (numbers, among other things).

Thanks so much for the info... But it’s mission impossible from India... The best method is friends and family, but after 5 minutes, they get tired and start speaking at full speed again...

There’s this little phrase I’ve since forgotten that’s super useful when dealing with overly "clingy" solicitations (like drivers or others)—it’s radical. I only used it once in Cochin, and the result? Big round eyes, a burst of laughter, and the solicitor left completely stunned.

It’s not a little phrase—just one word. But it’s magic: *Veenda!* You can be even more convincing by repeating it twice: *veenda, veenda* or adding *eniki*. *Eniki veenda.* Yep, it’s really the magic word to shoo away any nuisance. Okay, but we’re getting off topic. Christelle’s going to crack the whip...

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Solene40 · 2017-10-11 · Message 25 of 106

Oh come on, no teasing. I love your stories, Marien!

Getting yelled at for chewing gum is just too funny when you see the Indian sense of ecology. It really highlights the cultural differences!! What’s important to us isn’t to them, and vice versa.

Anyway, what does "Eniki Veenda" mean? I’d love to use it, but it kinda depends on the meaning πŸ˜‰

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Provence04 · 2017-10-11 · Message 26 of 106

As far as I remember, it was something like: leave me alone or let me go—but I’m not entirely sure anymore. What I *am* sure of is that he didn’t get mad; he just burst out laughing. You should be able to use it without any worries, well, I hope so anyway.

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Solene40 · 2017-10-11 · Message 27 of 106

Yeah, we’ll double-check because Marien can be stubborn sometimes—I’m being careful (don’t get mad, Marien, I’m just kiddiiiing πŸ˜‰)

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Marien33 · 2017-10-12 · Message 28 of 106

What matters to us doesn't matter to them, and vice versa.

Well, yeah, women show their bellies and navels but cover their shoulders and calves. Men show their butts and defecate in public, but ban swimsuits, even shorts or bermudas. They spend their time touching each other—everywhere—but don’t you dare kiss them on the cheek to say hello or goodbye... That would be the ultimate humiliation.



By the way, what does "Eniki Veenda" mean? I’d like to use it, but it depends on the meaning, you know ;)

Eniki means "Me," and Veenda means "I don’t want it," "I don’t need it," with the idea that "it’s final, no point insisting."

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Marien33 · 2017-10-12 · Message 29 of 106

As far as I remember, it was something like, : leave me alone, or let me go; but I'm not sure anymore. What I am sure of is that he didn't get angry, he just burst out laughing. You should be able to use it without any problem, well, I hope so.

Nope, not at all! That’s just spiteful—very French, actually.

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Marien33 · 2017-10-12 · Message 30 of 106

Marien, you can be a bit grumpy sometimes, I’m wary (don’t get mad, Marien, I’m just kiddiiiing πŸ˜‰)

Never for nothing, never without a reason! You can ask my grandkids... recently, the youngest told his mom: "You’re so lucky, Mom, to have such a nice dad"—and he repeated it three days in a row. Just in case she didn’t get the message... There’s an Antillean proverb that goes—in Creole—: I dance to the music I’m played... Anyway, let’s get back to your trip?

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Solene40 · 2017-10-12 · Message 31 of 106

A huge thank you to you, Jean Marie and Corinne, for your active participation—I feel less alone thanks to you πŸ˜‰.

Alright, back to it then!

KHAJURAHO the erotic!!

With a title like that, I’m sure I’ve piqued your curiosity ! Well, you guys will just have to be patient because I’m gonna drag this out a bit!

So, if you’ve been following along, we’re leaving Chitrakoot this morning for a 250 km drive—about 5 hours by local standards!!

It starts off calm on country roads.



After 2 hours, we stop for chai in our driver’s tiny hometown. Loulou chats about toothbrushing with his cafΓ© neighbors (oh, the state of that cafΓ©!!), we watch villagers go about their day, and some gorgeous monkeys come say hi and strike a pose—so cool!



We arrive in Khajuraho, a small Indian village... with a brand-new, massive airport (almost as big as Bordeaux’s). It feels really weird in the middle of nowhere, and we figure the area must be super touristy (you’ll find out why later!).

That evening, we head out to explore the village. Three tuk-tuks are waiting for us—we pick Birrend, the one who runs toward us the fastest (nooo, I’m kidding πŸ˜›).

We end up in a cute, spotless little village. After Chitrakoot, “the filthy,” it’s a nice change! Turns out tourism has its perks sometimes (especially when there are no tourists right now, haha).

As soon as we step out, we’re swarmed every few meters:

"Hey, come see my shop!" "Uh, no thanks, I cleaned out your buddy’s store yesterday—I don’t need anything, haha!"

"Want a tuk-tuk?" "No thanks, your friend Birrend’s already giving us a ride."

"Want a book on the Kama Sutra?" "No thanks, my wife already knows all the tickles!" And they die laughing!!

Anyway, one silly joke, a big smile, and they leave you alone—even wave hello the next day!

The next morning, we meet Birrend for breakfast. He introduces us to his nephew Soni, a 17-year-old student who wants to spend the day with us to practice his English (yeah, we’re *that* good ). He’s adorable, so of course we say yes.

Off we go, the four of us, to Raneh Falls. 40 minutes by tuk-tuk through greenery and then the forest.



And when we arrive—well, we realize we’re *so* lucky!!



The rain we had two days ago? We can thank it—there’s an amazing rush of water, which isn’t always the case, far from it. So, beautiful, noisy falls, a grand canyon (not the US one, but still pretty cool), all surrounded by multicolored rocks (basalt, sandstone, granite...).



All in all, a really cool hike.

Back to the village, heading to the temples the whole world comes to see—and honestly, we get why!!



There are 22 left scattered around the village, built in the 900s (yes, over a thousand years old!!) and in absolutely exceptional condition (thanks, UNESCO!).



We’re not usually into old stones, but we were blown away by the incredible detail of these sculptures.

The friezes on all the temples show scenes of daily life—mostly war, and a bit of rest. And what was rest in the 900s? Well, sex!

That’s why these temples are so famous—their beauty, sure, but also the erotic scenes, which are apparently unique.



The first one we found—yikes... a man "taking care of" a mare (apparently representing soldiers’ sexual frustration during war!!).

Uh, no, I’ll spare you the photo—I’m afraid the puritans would roast me .

There are others much softer and prettier, but they’re only a tiny fraction of what there is to discover here.



All in all, it was amazing.

After that, Soni suggests we meet up in the evening to take us to a "party."

As usual, we have no idea what or where, but we say yes because with these two, we’re in good hands. And we’re glad we did!

They take us to the only temple still used for evening Puja ceremonies (there’s one every day, morning and evening).

We go inside, guided by Soni, who’s the "assistant" to the ceremony master.

It’s not very big, black with soot, with a huge metal tube in the middle where everyone who enters places their hands and forehead for a few seconds.



With Loulou (the only white people, as usual), we feel like two elephants in a china shop! We’re terrified of messing up, barely dare to move an ear, but everyone smiles at us.



Five guys start drumming and clashing cymbals—it’s as loud as a rock concert!!

Then they clap in rhythm, sing, take the "host" (a coconut), do the collection (maybe the one thing all religions have in common!!), and then put a red dot on our foreheads, just like everyone else.



It lasts half an hour, then we head out.

Soni and Birrend are eager to hear our impressions and are so happy to see our joy and hear our thanks.

One question comes to mind: "Soni, what exactly does that big cylinder in the center represent?" "Well, Shiva’s lingam," he says with a little smirk. "Uh, the lingam??" "Yeah, the thing men have but women don’t!" Uh-oh, I think I get it, but I’m still not sure. I go for it and point at Loulou’s crotch with a confused look, and he nods with a big smile!!

No way—I’m dreaming!! Indians, so modest and "uptight" about sexuality, bow down every day to Shiva’s phallus !!

Okay, this confirms it—I’ll never understand this country!!

After such a great day, we happily buy a nice (soft) erotic statue from Soni’s brother’s shop. He was thrilled, and so were we. It’ll look great, that stone statue from Khajuraho in our living room in Landes. Though, who knows, it might be a plaster statue made in China—but honestly, we don’t care. That kid was too cute.

Actually, when we left, my cheerfulness got the better of me—I gave him two kisses on the cheek. Oh, the poor guy, I think I shouldn’t have—he turned bright red!! (And thanks to you, Marien, I realize I "humiliated" him—ugh, I feel so bad!!)

Now it’s time to say goodbye.

I can tell you, I’m not ready to leave for "unknown lands" because I already have a huge lump in my throat from leaving those two guys (yeah, I know, I’m such a softie!!).

Luckily, we’re saved—now we’re friends on Facebook πŸ˜›

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Provence04 · 2017-10-13 · Message 32 of 106

I loooooooooooooooooooooove it!!!

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Solene40 · 2017-10-13 · Message 33 of 106

So much betteeeeeeeeeer πŸ˜„!!

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FabGreg · 2017-10-13 · Message 34 of 106

Okay, we're not really into old stones, but we were totally blown away by the incredible finesse of these sculptures.

In that case, you might be interested in the Chalukya temples (Pattadakal, Aihole) and Hoysala temples (Belur, Halebid, Somnathpur, in the Mysore region) in Karnataka.

The Hoysala style is like stone lacework.

For a future trip to South India.

Fabrice

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Aleph240758 · 2017-10-13 · Message 35 of 106

so, a little patience—I’m heading there in early January and I’ll post a travel journal when I get back!!! and Christelle, you’ll get to open your eyes wide to discover these wonders!!! see you soon mariejo

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Marcomarco · 2017-10-13 · Message 36 of 106

Hey there, fellow travelers! 😎

We’re back from 15 days in northern India.

For our 6th visit to this country, we traveled between Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh, and let’s just say it was an emotional rollercoaster!!

Wait, am I dreaming?! Indians, so modest and "uptight" about sexuality, bow down every day to Shiva’s phallus 😊!!

Okay, this just confirms it—I’ll never understand this country!!

Well, there you have it....

Incredible India, here we go again!!

Solene40 · 2017-10-13 · Message 37 of 106

Oh, you can count on me to be your first reader, Marie Jo—I’m already drooling in anticipation πŸ˜‰

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Seattle95 · 2017-10-13 · Message 38 of 106

Whether you love India and adore traveling there, fair enough. That’s my case too. But for goodness’ sake, let’s drop the clichΓ©s, like "our societies stuck in their rigidity"... Maybe it’s also a sign that things aren’t working out so badly after all. Spend six months in Varanasi and you’ll see if our societies are really that "stuck"...

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Marien33 · 2017-10-14 · Message 39 of 106

Hey there, fellow travelers 😎

We’re back from 15 days in northern India.

For our 6th visit to this country, we traveled between Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh, and let’s just say it was an emotional rollercoaster!!

No way, I can’t believe it!! Indians, so modest and "uptight" when it comes to sexuality, bow down every day to Shiva’s phallus 😊!!

Okay, this just confirms it—I’ll never understand this country!!

So, uh...

Hi Mark, based on how your message appears, it looks like you’re quoting me, but I didn’t write that...

So, uh... what’s the point, exactly?

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Solene40 · 2017-10-14 · Message 40 of 106

Aaah, you're touching a sensitive point there, Kenzo, even if I'm not here to tell my life story!! So if you want, come "live my life" as a social worker in a rural area of France in 2017, and you'll quickly understand what I mean. Okay, from Seattle, I get that I might as well be speaking Chinese to you. So no clichΓ©s in what I'm saying, my dear, just the reality that the people I look after experience every day. That doesn’t take away from the fact that they’re really lucky to have been born here rather than in Varanasi πŸ˜‰. Anyway, let’s quickly get "back to our topic" before this spirals out of control, but I’ll gladly continue in DM, and you "won’t be disappointed by the journey" πŸ˜›.

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