Nurse in Marrakech (page 2 of 6)

Yes, I know Morocco well. My job has nothing to do with healthcare.

Salam 3alaikoum Okhti, Is it true you're looking to work abroad as a nurse? For tips...!? I have a lot to say on this topic!

Nurse in France and Morocco In France, you earn a bit more, but life is much more expensive than in Morocco. As a nurse in France: you have to work long hours to make a living. Otherwise, working 8 hours a day barely keeps you out of poverty—you don’t earn well as a nurse in France. It’s just enough to eat and have basic housing, and if you lose your job, it’s a disaster (no savings at all).

Being a nurse in Morocco is something else. 99% of people live with their family, which saves on housing costs. For food, there’s just one household budget, and everyone contributes to the family’s financial needs. That’s one advantage of Moroccan Muslim families.

In France, living for yourself is still a burden...

Just to set the record straight:

http://www.infirmiers.com/conc/presentation-profession.php (toward the end you’ll find the salaries)

Nursing in France is still a long way—thankfully—from the poverty you described. Plus, the 35-hour workweek is applied, very generously in the public sector and a bit less so in the private sector.

I have a lot of respect for the women doing the same job in Morocco for 12 extra hours a week and not even a quarter of the French salary. We’ve always been treated with competence, dedication, and a smile there.

😉Hi Claude, Thanks for your kind words, it really warms my heart to know someone appreciates what I do With all the difficulties you’ve mentioned, we don’t even have the right to that here in Morocco. But luckily, I don’t do my job to get praised or even for the money. It’s mostly to help others, learn new "things," expand my knowledge... and strengthen my faith in God. Thank you so much.

Big hi, and kudos to all the nurses around the world!

Oh really, Charif? I can't wait to hear your instructions ;)

As-salamu alaykum If you have a job in Morocco, I suggest you stay at home—it’s good for your morale and well-being. France isn’t a great country anymore… we’ve seen recently that the French are leaving their own country. Alhamdulillah, if you’re married, rest assured that Morocco is better than France! And if you’re looking to make money, you could lose everything… think it over and remember your Islamic and moral foundations. Fati… if you’re unsure, I’ll tell you there are many Moroccans living in France who are much poorer than they’d be in Morocco. Try to build your future in Morocco… good luck!

Hello, Mr. Morocco Tourism Specialist, Thank you for your input. It's true that we earn better in France than in Morocco, but as I wrote, there are other conditions in Morocco that don’t exist in France. In France, a nurse works to live and ends up saving nothing, whereas in Morocco, because of family life, a nurse can save well, live comfortably, and maybe even have a wonderful wedding... believe me, I’m of Moroccan origin.

It’s quite possible that you’re of Moroccan "origin," but it’s also possible that I’ve lived and worked in Morocco longer than you—I don’t just know the country as a tourist!

We’ve had contact with local medical and paramedical staff during the births of our children and after accidents. And I’m also familiar with the reality in France.

A French nurse likely has more savings capacity than a Moroccan nurse—it’s just basic arithmetic and common sense.

But it’s also true that I wouldn’t encourage Fatima to look for work in Europe, as she’d likely face major disappointments regarding quality of life, morals, economic reality, and many other things.

thanks to all of you but you don’t seem to get it—the issue isn’t just financial to be honest, with my good grades, I was assigned by the ministry to the middle of nowhere, and all day long I deal with illiterate people.........whom I respect sooooooo much for the efforts they make to improve their cultural, social, and health levels...especially women in short, I think I deserve better than this—I mean: continuing education, networking

and to charif, thank you for worrying about the religious side, but that’s the least of my concerns, simply because I know my worth and I’m PROUD of who I am: a veiled Muslim woman who wants to develop her knowledge and experience

That was really interesting! I’ve got to do it and it’s urgent. I’ll log on in the evening, inshallah. Hi everyone! 😎

Salam 3alaikoum Fati... rest assured that you are (will be) much more respected in Morocco than in France, and doing good for Muslims is even more rewarding in the end (we all do it for Allah... inna salzti wa noussouki wa mahyaya wa mamati lillah...). Sister Fati, don’t you think about leaving your country for your future? Don’t focus on what isn’t real... alam alaikoum

Salam Alaikoum...Hi Raoulx, thanks for stepping in. Yes, I’m Moroccan and I have an experience that maybe you haven’t had the chance to have. Yes, I’m not in the tourism industry even though I’m from a tourist city; to me, tourists have become like citizens. I’m not definitively against this exodus or moving toward it. Instead of being affected or disoriented by this tourist wave as a Moroccan, I just want to open the eyes of others who think differently. Thanks

I think you have no idea what a nurse's salary is like in France. And with that salary, they can live completely financially independent, buy their own car or house/apartment, go on vacation, receive unemployment benefits, have a good retirement, and so on...

Just a little clarification: there are also male nurses—I think you’re forgetting about them.

If a nurse wants to live with her parents, there’s no problem at all; that’s her private life. Of course, in that case, expenses are lower. You know, it’s not illegal in France to live with your family. And it’s not something that’s only Muslim, either. This has always existed in many non-industrialized societies.

If earning at least 2,000 € when starting out (just so you know, that’s 22,000 dirhams) isn’t a good salary, then tell me—what *is* a decent salary to live on?

In France, you don’t earn 2000 euros as a nurse... maybe 12 hours a day, one day off a month, and no extra benefits if you’re not single?

I said a nurse (9) can make a living in France like in Morocco, but it’s not without saving on everything. In France, if you work as a nurse for 35 or 37.5 hours a week, single, you might earn 1300 euros. What can you do with that amount in France? Housing, food, and a family... don’t dream, sir—a nurse doesn’t own an apartment or a house; it belongs to the bank that financed it, and maybe after 1 or 2 years before retiring (if they work until 65...?!) does it finally belong to them?

Don’t dream... nursing is a job that deserves respect, but we can’t do the impossible. Look at the life of an average doctor in France today... open your eyes and dream of a career as a nurse... thanks

I think a nurse's salary in France is decent—it matches a "B-level" public sector position. I believe you live better alone in France on a nurse's salary than in Morocco in a "Muslim, Moroccan" family. Just a reminder, the person who started this discussion is French and definitely won’t accept living with 10 people in one house. We all have our own customs! What might feel like a burden for a Moroccan woman—is living alone really that bad? You shared your opinion as a man, but on this topic, I think it’s better to hear from an independent Moroccan woman.

Here, with 400 €/month, a Westerner definitely can’t live comfortably—that’s for sure. As for unemployment for nurses, it must exist but is probably rare.

I think you're mixing things up a bit. In France, whether you're married or single, your salary is the same.

When it comes to buying an apartment, whether in France or Morocco, the apartment belongs to the bank if there's a mortgage because everyone takes out a loan.

Even with 1,300 €, you can have your own apartment and a car in France (not in Paris, though). I think you don’t know the French system at all. In France, there’s a lot of help available—even when buying on credit, the state pays part of the interest if you don’t earn much (you get housing assistance). None of this exists in Morocco. You shouldn’t just compare salaries but also all the support the state provides if someone isn’t earning a great living.

I don’t think someone earning 4,000 dirhams a month can afford a car and go on vacation every now and then!!! (I know people in Marrakech who earn that amount, and I know how tough life is for them).

I hadn't seen the messages on the second page, so I'll continue—it's worse than I thought, Charif. You really have a backward mindset for 2007. It feels like I'm hearing a conversation from my grandparents about living on credit. It's better to live well your whole life in a decent house with a mortgage than in some "hovel" surrounded by litter and filth.

As for salaries, just a reminder that people sometimes get married, and in France, we try to have two incomes plus family benefits. When you're 35 with two kids and earning 4000 €/month, it makes life manageable (e.g., two nurses).

On the other hand, for Fatifleur, it's really better to stay in Morocco to work because if you wear the hijab like in the photo, know that it's very poorly accepted in France and even in Europe. I don’t think this will improve in the coming years. Being Muslim in France can go very well, but you mustn’t show it—that’s the reality if you don’t want to be disappointed. You can practice your religion, but it shouldn’t be the center of your interests like it is in Morocco.

didier

I totally agree with your point of view.

In France, there are family benefits, which isn’t the case in Morocco, to supplement your salary.

And in the end, you can have a decent life (your own apartment, a car, and some vacations).

my dear chariff, in France people don’t just die a few short years after retiring at 65—especially women, who live to 84 on average (life expectancy for a French woman), compared to 74 in Morocco (that’s 10 more years of life in France than in Morocco).