Cabin baggage size (1 centimeter over) (page 3 of 5)

Hi,

Yes, that’s exactly what I was referring to. Sometimes there’s also a sort of baggage container at the front of the plane, but I can’t remember where I saw that. And on Trislanders, the luggage hold is in front of the cockpit, in the nose. 😉

Michel

Hello, I fly very regularly between Ajaccio and Lyon with Air Corsica. Most of the time, they’re ATRs. Here, unchecked bags are dropped off and picked up at the bottom of the plane because there’s very little storage space in the cabin. Have a great weekend! Françoise

At some point, you have to know what the deal is. A prepared passenger travels with a regulation-sized bag, packs medication that’s precious or even vital to them, and rightfully expects not to risk it in the hold. That seems like the bare minimum of customer respect. The rules are published and known—arbitrariness, no. 🙂

A prepared passenger also doesn’t wait until the last minute to board, so they have a slim chance of having to check their bag.

Besides, I don’t have the energy today for one of those surreal deaf dialogues you enjoy.

They make good hearing aids—you should try them.

... The prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a tiny chance of having to check their bag into the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked into the hold, including just before entering the plane, during boarding when staff walk among passengers. Whether you’re prepared or not, it won’t change anything.

Hi Michel,

I disagree with you about hard-shell wheeled luggage. If these bags fit within the size limit (including wheels and handles), they’re fine. Some soft-shell bags get bulging because they’re overpacked and no longer pass the size test due to the bulge. I’m all for stricter enforcement of cabin baggage sizes—right now, it’s chaos in economy class.

I totally agree. We often end up not knowing where to stow our bags if we board last, even though our bags are soft, small, and don’t take up much space. I regularly see wheeled suitcases that are clearly oversized but still get through.

Hello,

Yes, and we can also look back at the history of this trend. The popularity of hard-shell cabin bags with wheels, pushed to the absolute limit of the allowed size, is recent. It emerged in response to airlines introducing fees for checked baggage. At its core, the system has been distorted: in principle, cabin baggage shouldn’t need to be protected from impacts and shouldn’t have to be wheeled around, since it’s supposed to be a reasonable weight. A hard-shell cabin bag guarantees it will take up all the space, even when half-empty, at the expense of other passengers’ luggage. And nine times out of ten, when an overhead bin won’t close, it’s because of those unnecessary wheels sticking out.

Looking at it this way, I think wheeled bags should be banned from cabins. We’d end up with softer bags that could be packed more efficiently, making it easier to accommodate everyone—even on a full flight.

Michel

not to mention that with wheels, there's always that retractable telescopic handle taking up space in the luggage at the expense of storage capacity

... A prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a tiny chance of having to check their bag into the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked into the hold, including just before entering the plane, during boarding when staff walk among passengers. Whether you’re prepared or not, it won’t change anything.

Actually, it *does* make a difference—if you don’t arrive last, there’s no obligation to check your bag into the hold because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, the bag meets the size requirements. Naturally, some here firmly believe passengers only have rights and no responsibilities when it comes to baggage.

First come, first served isn't a proper or efficient way to board a plane; some airlines even board by cabin zone. A clear and fair rule shouldn’t dissolve into a mad dash just to keep your bag with you.

Michel

... A prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they’ve got a slim chance of having to check their bag...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked, including just before entering the plane, when staff walk through the cabin during boarding. Prepared or not, it won’t change a thing.

It *does* make a difference—if you’re not among the last to board, there’s no obligation to check your bag because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, the bag meets size requirements. Naturally, some here firmly believe passengers only have rights and no responsibilities when it comes to luggage.

The fact that you have to put your luggage in the hold is only a problem for those who aren't prepared, so honestly, take some responsibility instead of thinking you need to be assisted for every little thing. Do you have medication or something else you absolutely need to keep with you? Take a bag that fits under the seat, and there you go—problem solved.

First come, first served isn’t a proper or efficient way to board a plane; some airlines even board by cabin zone. A clear and fair rule shouldn’t dissolve into a mad dash to keep your bag with you.

Michel

... A prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a slim chance of having to put their bag in the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being put in the hold, including just before entering the plane, when staff walk through the cabin during boarding. Prepared or not, it doesn’t change anything.

It *does* change things—if you don’t board last, there’s no obligation to put your bag in the hold because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, the bag meets size requirements. Though some here seem convinced passengers have only rights and no responsibilities when it comes to luggage.

In a contract, you don’t change the rules halfway through, and you don’t act arbitrarily. This has nothing to do with some kind of "assistance"—it’s just about clarity in the commitments made and fairness among passengers. With your logic, you could tell passengers carrying medication to take care of themselves and just not travel, all in the name of foresight.

Michel

The fact that having to put your bag in the hold is only a problem for the unprepared—so, seriously, take responsibility instead of thinking you need to be assisted for every little thing. You have medication or something else you absolutely must keep with you? Take a bag that fits under the seat, and boom, problem solved.

First come, first served isn’t a proper or efficient way to board a plane. Some airlines even board by cabin zone. A clear and fair rule doesn’t dissolve into a race to the gate just to keep your bag with you.

Michel

... The prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a slim chance of having to put their bag in the hold...

You have to read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being put in the hold, including just before entering the plane, when staff walk through the cabin during boarding. Prepared or not, it doesn’t change anything.

It *does* change things—if you don’t arrive last, there’s no obligation to put your bag in the hold because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, the bag meets the size requirements. Naturally, some here firmly believe passengers have only rights and no responsibilities when it comes to baggage.

Hello,

Yes, and we can also look back at the history of this trend. The fashion for rigid cabin bags with wheels, pushed to the absolute limit of the allowed dimensions, is recent. It emerged in response to airlines introducing extra charges for checked baggage. At its core, the system has been distorted: in principle, cabin baggage shouldn’t need to be protected from shocks and shouldn’t have to be wheeled around, since it’s supposed to be a reasonable weight. A rigid cabin bag guarantees it’ll take up all the space even when half-empty, at the expense of other passengers’ luggage. And nine times out of ten, when an overhead bin won’t close, it’s because of those unnecessary wheels sticking out.

Looking at it this way, I think wheeled bags should be banned from cabins. We’d end up with softer bags that, by optimizing space in the bins, would make it easier to accommodate everyone—even on a full flight.

Michel

I’m not in favor of banning rigid suitcases either... not everyone can carry a shoulder bag over long distances. I struggle with it myself, but I don’t have any solutions either.

Only those who don’t plan ahead find it a problem to have to put their baggage in the hold, so honestly, take some responsibility instead of expecting to be assisted for every little thing. Do you have medication or anything else you absolutely need to keep with you? Take a bag that fits under the seat, and there you go—problem solved.

First come, first served isn’t a proper or efficient way to board a plane; some airlines even board by cabin zone. A clear and fair rule shouldn’t dissolve into a race to see who can keep their bag in the cabin.

Michel

... A prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a very small chance of having to put their bag in the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being put in the hold, including just before entering the plane, when staff walk through the cabin. Whether you’re prepared or not, it doesn’t change anything.

It *does* change things—if you don’t board last, there’s no obligation to put your bag in the hold because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, that the bag meets the size requirements. Though some here seem convinced that passengers only have rights and no responsibilities when it comes to baggage.

Some airlines only allow ONE bag—no handbag, laptop bag, or anything else—which makes it a real issue.

Laptops shouldn’t have to go in the hold either.

Fingers crossed that with my small soft bag, I’ll still be able to keep it with me.

Hi there,

Originally, that was the idea 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to be carried easily. By charging for checked luggage, airlines encouraged people to game the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these rigid little suitcases that now cause overcrowding in the cabin.

Michel

In a contract, you don't change the rules midstream and you don't act arbitrarily

Except when it suits you, of course. There’s a rule about cabin baggage size, yet you say it’s okay to break it. The hypocrisy is strong with you.

Some airlines only allow ONE piece of luggage, and you’re not allowed a handbag, laptop bag, or anything else—so it becomes a problem.

No one’s forcing you to fly with those airlines.

Hello,

Originally, that was the idea 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to be carried easily. By charging for checked baggage, airlines encouraged people to exploit the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these rigid suitcases that now cause overcrowding in the cabin.

Michel

Not true. If your suitcases meet the size requirements and are stored properly, there’s no issue. Oh, but yes, that does require a minimum of responsibility from the passenger—something you strongly oppose, apparently.

What’s wrong with this? If on a high-density short-haul flight every passenger brings a regulation-sized bag—like a hard-shell wheeled carry-on—it won’t all fit in the overhead bins. You lose a lot of space because of the rigid structure and the wheels.

I don’t need a civics lecture from you, just saying—no hard feelings. 🙂

Michel

Hello,

Originally, that was the idea 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to carry easily. By charging for checked luggage, airlines encouraged people to game the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these hard-shell wheeled carry-ons that now cause cabin space issues.

Michel

Wrong. If those suitcases meet the size limits and are stowed properly, there’s no problem. Oh, but yes—it does require a minimum of passenger responsibility, something you strongly oppose.

True, things aren’t black and white 🙂. I’m not saying you can break the rule on this, I’m just pointing out that in reality, it’s what happens—with the tacit agreement of both passengers and airlines. There’s a kind of modus vivendi here, and there’s no reason to hide that from people who come here asking for advice.

Michel

When it suits you, though. There’s a rule about cabin baggage size, yet you’re saying it’s okay to break it. The hypocrisy is strong with you.

Some airlines only allow ONE piece of baggage, no handbag, laptop bag, or anything else, so it becomes a problem.

No one’s forcing you to fly with those airlines.

I travel based on my budget. And the "just do this, just do that" attitude only goes so far...

I don’t like checking my cabin bag, but since mine’s a soft bag, I’ve never had an issue. Meanwhile, some hard-shell suitcases get automatically checked into the hold, but I’m left alone.

... The prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a tiny chance of having to check their bag into the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked into the hold, including just before entering the plane, during boarding when staff walk among passengers.

It *does* make a difference, because if you’re not among the last to arrive, there’s no obligation to check your bag into the hold—surprise, surprise—there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, that the bag meets the size requirements. Naturally, some here seem to believe passengers have only rights and no responsibilities when it comes to baggage.

How can I put this—you’re being a bit much. We’ve explained in black and white that it has absolutely nothing to do with the order you arrive at check-in. Are you even reading the messages? We’re telling you that it’s in the BOARDING area that staff come around and check for bags that are WITHIN THE LIMITS. The hold is nearly empty, and everyone just wanted to take their cabin bags. Except when the plane is full, the bags don’t fit, so staff take yours back—right in the BOARDING area—to put it in the hold. At check-in, all these people got through without any remarks from the CHECK-IN staff. Is that clear enough for you now? Whether you arrived 3 hours early or 10 minutes before check-in closes, you’re treated the same way. And in my case, it was on AF. There you go: CHECK-IN/BOARDING/CABIN/HOLD—got it?