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The "must-sees" of the American West

Rouquine38 · 2024-12-21 · Message 121 of 196

What can I say, Guillaume, the landscapes are still as stunning, absolutely breathtaking 🤩 At the end of your travel journal, I’ll have to check out the hikes I can actually do 😊 because the American West has always been on my to-do list. We only went once, back in 2001, and did the classic road trip… every time, I think to myself: we’ve got to go back 😍

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Marati · 2024-12-21 · Message 122 of 196

At the end of your travel journal, I’ll have to take a closer look at the hikes I can handle 😊 because the American West has always been on my to-do list.

If you take your time and don’t overpack your schedule like we did, most hikes remain accessible since there’s little elevation gain—nothing like what you’d find in the Alps. Visiting in September-October, as we did, makes many hikes that are unbearable in the summer heat much easier. Another great time for possible bivouacs, taking advantage of springs and water sources, is May.

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Attila · 2024-12-21 · Message 123 of 196

most hikes are still doable

For someone who’s athletic or at least walks regularly. πŸ˜‰

Way too tough for me.

I almost didn’t make it up to Scout Lookout in Zion... It was way too steep!

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Rouquine38 · 2024-12-22 · Message 124 of 196

most of the hikes are still doable

For an athlete or at least someone who walks regularly.πŸ˜‰

Too tough for me.

I almost didn’t make it up to Scout Lookout in Zion... It was way too steep!

The killer trio—Guillaume, Franck, and Sullivan—don’t realize how hard it isπŸ˜‰, what’s easy for them is already pretty tough for us... you just gotta know your limits. For the rest, we’ve got our travel journals and the gorgeous photos to dream about.

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Muriel18 · 2024-12-22 · Message 125 of 196

Hi Guillaume,

I’m so glad Isabelle’s Kenya travel journal inspired me to finally read your story!

Okay, I’m jumping in "a little" late, but thank you for introducing me to these landscapes—each one more breathtaking than the last—and for showcasing them so beautifully in your photos πŸ™‚ (no matter what color the sky was, honestly).

Accessible? That’s a stretch! At least, that’s not the impression I got from reading your journal—I kept thinking, "Thank goodness I’m seeing this in photos because there’s no way I’d ever make it there in person!"

Huge thanks for this virtual trip!

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Marati · 2024-12-22 · Message 126 of 196

AgnΓ¨s, I don’t know the Scout Lookout viewpoint, but according to Alltrails, you’d have to tackle 340 m of elevation gain over just 3 km of ascent. So it’s a really tough hike, and I get why you struggled. I’m feeling a bit cornered by the recent 😏 messages about my use of "accessible," so I’ll try to recap and be a bit more objective...

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Attila · 2024-12-22 · Message 127 of 196

This is the viewpoint everyone can access in Zion before Angels Landing. πŸ˜‰

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Djalma · 2024-12-22 · Message 128 of 196

but according to Alltrails, you’d have to tackle 340 m of elevation gain in just 3 km of ascent. So it’s a really tough hike,

An hour of climbing at most... a really tough hike?!

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Marati · 2024-12-22 · Message 129 of 196

Muriel, Isabelle, I’ll go over our itinerary again and give some details on how tough the hikes were.

Day 1 – The White Domes: We took the Water Canyon route, which is steep and really works your calves, but you can also go via Squirrel Canyon. That adds 2–3 km to the climb and makes the elevation gain more manageable (8 km round trip for 550 m of gain). By camping on-site to enjoy the gorgeous early-morning light, it turns into two short hikes.

Day 2 – The Subway: The hike is long (16 km), but except for the final climb on the way back, it’s all flat along a river. Scot2021 recently posted about it, and his two young kids managed to do it.

Day 3 – Coyote Buttes North: The Wave isn’t far, but to get to Top Rock, The Alcove, and Melody Arch, it’s a climb. You might just want to stick with The Wave and Second Wave—the two most stunning spots—stopping by Ginger Rocks and The Rock Fins along the way.

Day 4 – Coyote Buttes South: The central area is easy to access. In summer 2022, Maxime managed to join us on crutches with partial weight on his leg to cover the 7–8 km in the Cottonwood Cove sector. The Beauty is much more remote, but the extension has very little elevation gain. White Pocket: Just a few hundred meters of approach.

Day 5 – Wahweap Hoodoos – Sidestep Canyon – Colourful Canyon – White Rocks A few weeks after we passed through, Marido (Diamina), who hates hiking, unknowingly took the full BLM 431 route, which was previously closed to the public to protect the Wahweap Hoodoos and Sidestep Canyon from crowds. She didn’t see any "no entry" signs and made it all the way to the end of BLM 431, enjoying the views of Colourful Canyon and Sidestep Canyon from the rim. Route map: http://ouestusa.fr/utah/whiteghosts/whiteghosts.php It seems a judge lifted the driving ban, and since then, several people have managed to visit the Wahweap Hoodoos without breaking a sweat by taking this now-reopened route. From the "new" parking lot, the approach to the Wahweap Hoodoos or the east entrance of Sidestep Canyon is now less than 2 km! That said, we didn’t regret doing the long loop—it let us pass through the Colourful Canyon area and the White Rocks.

Day 6 – Reflection Canyon: Most people do this hike over two days, camping overnight. That makes it 13 km per day with almost no elevation gain. Avoid summer to cut down on water weight—the slickrock reflects so much heat that in July or August, it must be scorching.

Day 7 – Coyote Gulch: One of the two truly tough hikes of the trip because of the final scramble to get out of the canyon.

Day 8 – The Volcano: A short, easy family hike (10 km) with no elevation gain. North Caineville Mesa: A tough hike due to the steep elevation gain over a short distance.

Day 9 – The Needles: Squaw Canyon – Lost Canyon – Druid Arch – Chesler Park combo Outside of summer, the Chesler Park hike (16 km) is long but doable if you start early and skip the extension to Druid Arch, which adds too much distance.

Day 11 – Grand Canyon descent: The second tough (or even very tough) hike of the trip. Don’t attempt it unless you’re sure you’re in good shape. That afternoon, early on the Bright Angel Trail ascent—with 1,200 m of elevation gain still ahead—we passed a family of four: two bored teens about 100 meters ahead of their parents, a mom who seemed fit, and a dad, a bit stocky, who was completely exhausted and moving painfully slow. They didn’t have any camping gear to stay at Indian Gardens... We figured he’d never make it to the top that day and thought it was totally reckless to overestimate his physical abilities, putting his family at risk...

Day 12 – Hopi-Navajo day: No particular difficulty.

Day 13 – Upper East Zion (coming up): Doing all three hikes in one day is tough, but if you take it easy and stick to one or two, it’s doable. Each hike has about 250–300 m of elevation gain, so it all depends on how well you handle back-to-back climbs and how your knees handle the descents...

Hope this gives you the confidence (or not!) to try some of our routes. πŸ™‚

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Marati · 2024-12-22 · Message 130 of 196

but according to Alltrails, you’d have to tackle 340 m of elevation gain over just 3 km of ascent. So it’s a very tough hike,

An hour of climbing at most... a very tough hike?!

Okay, I should’ve said "tough" instead of "very tough." I get Attila—my wife has about the same tolerance when it comes to average slope. Over 100 m of elevation gain per kilometer is really hard on some legs. Hikes in the Alps are often too brutal, whereas in "older" mountains like the Vosges, it’s no problem...

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Muriel18 · 2024-12-22 · Message 131 of 196

Thanks Guillaume for taking the time to share all these details... it really does give me hope again 😏... at least for a few of them, I’ll look into this more closely πŸ˜‰

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Attila · 2024-12-22 · Message 132 of 196

Outside of summer season, the Chesler Park hike (16 km) is long, but it’s still doable if you start early

I didn’t make it all the way to the end because of a bout of ocular migraine, but the 14 kilometers I did cover didn’t actually feel overwhelming. πŸ™‚

I think for non-athletes like me, it’s really the elevation gain that wipes you out more than the distance.πŸ€ͺ

Even when I was young (25), I had a really hard time climbing back up from the Grand Canyon, even though we’d only descended a few hundred meters in elevation.😊

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Attila · 2024-12-22 · Message 133 of 196

Beyond 100 m of elevation gain per kilometer, it's really tough on some calves

It's the breathing that's the problem. Well, the heart.

When I climb, you can hear me coming from far away! πŸ™

That’s what makes me take breaks very, very regularly.

If there could be two hiking trails when it climbs, that’d be great: one straight to the point for the athletic, the other five times longer for the out-of-breath!

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Marati · 2024-12-22 · Message 134 of 196

Off-season, the Chesler Park hike (16 km) is long, but it’s still doable if you start early

I think for non-athletic folks like me, it’s way more the elevation gain that wipes you out than the distance.

Even when I was young (25), I struggled *a lot* climbing back up from the Grand Canyon, even though we’d only descended a few hundred meters in elevation.

I totally agree with you—climbing really works your calves and quads and exhausts non-athletic people fast, whereas walking on flat ground (even 15-20 km a day) is easy. For next summer (Peru is on the agenda, including Machu Picchu), I’m really dreading the 2-3 days with *too much* elevation gain for Laetitia (Machu Picchu, Rainbow Mountain, and Colca Canyon). Plus, the altitude won’t help. I’ll have to take her to the gym to do step exercises and strengthen her legs before the trip so those days don’t turn into a nightmare...

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Attila · 2024-12-22 · Message 135 of 196

I haven’t hiked in Peru, so I can’t give you my non-athletic take on your options. It can’t be easy organizing hikes when the group’s fitness levels are all over the place! 😵 I’m kind of the weak link, but my partner isn’t exactly a sports star either. He waits for me, sometimes worried I’ll keel over, but he also has his own rough patches, especially at altitude. After some hikes, he’s barely tired because he rested while waiting for me... That’s the worst part about being the weak link. You climb, see the other person waiting 50 meters ahead, and by the time you catch up—off they go again, and you’ve barely had a chance to catch your breath...

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Rouquine38 · 2024-12-22 · Message 136 of 196

Thanks so much, Guillaume, for all these details—I’ll jot them down carefully and review them when we decide to head back! 😊 And like Muriel, it gives me hope to see these wonders someday! 🤩

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Peggy16 · 2024-12-22 · Message 137 of 196

That’s the worst part for the slowpoke. You climb, you see the other one waiting 50 meters ahead, and when you finally catch up, well, they’re off again—and you’ve barely had time to catch your breath...

That’s my whole life when I go hiking with my husband and son 😅

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Attila · 2024-12-22 · Message 138 of 196

They should be equipped with a backpack full of rocks! πŸ˜‰

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Rouquine38 · 2024-12-22 · Message 139 of 196

For next summer (Peru is on the agenda, especially), I’m really dreading 2–3 days that’ll involve (too much) elevation gain for Laetitia (Machu Picchu, Rainbow Mountain, and Colca Canyon). Plus, the altitude won’t help. I’ll have to take her to the gym to do step classes and strengthen her legs before the trip so those days don’t turn into a nightmare...

Watch out, Guillaume—Peru has altitude, and what seems doable in France isn’t the same at high elevation. On top of that, you could get altitude sickness, and then all your plans come crashing down 😱 That’s exactly what happened to me in 2022 😅

Machu Picchu isn’t too high—I got a bit of a break there. But when I arrived in Chivay (3,600 m) to head to Colca Canyon, the altitude sickness hit me and didn’t let up until the end of the trip. Rainbow Mountain is at 5,000 m, and there are Peruvians with horses if you need them 😊

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Rouquine38 · 2024-12-22 · Message 140 of 196

They should be equipped with a backpack full of rocks! πŸ˜‰

Great idea 👍😄

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