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25 jours en Australie Nord et Ouest
by Myrta
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Bonjour à tous !
A peine rentrés d'Islande, nous songeons à notre prochain voyage, dans un an environ. Ce que nous recherchons : des grands espaces, des déserts, des bivouacs "sauvages" , des pistes, une faune et une flore "différente", et assez logiquement nous avons choisi l'Australie et plus particulièrement le Nord. Mais comme dans tous ces vastes pays, il faut faire des choix et ce n'est pas facile ! Alors une première tentative : une boucle qui partirait de Darwin puis irait vers la région de Kimberley , redescendrait vers Alice Springs et remonterait vers Darwin... Précisons que nous pensons louer un 4x4 genre Bushcamper (on a déjà apprécié en Afrique du Sud ), que nous commençons -sans être des pros !- à nous débrouiller sur les pistes et que les longs trajets en voiture ne nous font pas peur (ça fait partie du voyage...)...Que nous disposons de 20 à 25 jours sur place et que serait pour le mois de septembre 2016... Des idées, des avis, des conseils : on prend tout et on triera ! Merci d'avance et à bientôt !
A peine rentrés d'Islande, nous songeons à notre prochain voyage, dans un an environ. Ce que nous recherchons : des grands espaces, des déserts, des bivouacs "sauvages" , des pistes, une faune et une flore "différente", et assez logiquement nous avons choisi l'Australie et plus particulièrement le Nord. Mais comme dans tous ces vastes pays, il faut faire des choix et ce n'est pas facile ! Alors une première tentative : une boucle qui partirait de Darwin puis irait vers la région de Kimberley , redescendrait vers Alice Springs et remonterait vers Darwin... Précisons que nous pensons louer un 4x4 genre Bushcamper (on a déjà apprécié en Afrique du Sud ), que nous commençons -sans être des pros !- à nous débrouiller sur les pistes et que les longs trajets en voiture ne nous font pas peur (ça fait partie du voyage...)...Que nous disposons de 20 à 25 jours sur place et que serait pour le mois de septembre 2016... Des idées, des avis, des conseils : on prend tout et on triera ! Merci d'avance et à bientôt !
Votre idée est logique . Le GROS problème de cette boucle , c'est de revenir par l'ouest vers Ayer's Rock : BIEN se renseigner ( ça , je ne connais pas ) où part une piste correcte .
2 possibilités pour vous :
A) De Darwin , vous allez par la bonne route plein sud vers Windham pour passer une journée entière aux Bungle Bungle , EXCEPTIONNEL . Retour aux Kimberley : pour être vaste , c'est vaste mais vite monotone à part les chutes Mitchell , très beau , la chaîne Cockburn , ouais et les "garden of eden " , beaux mini canyons ou mares comme Manning , Barnett , Bell . Puis plein ouest vers Ayer's Rock puis les classiques via Alice Spring vers de nouveau Darwin et quelques parcs autour de Darwin
B) Après Bungle Bungle , traverser les Kimberley sans faire le détour par les chutes Mitchell , aller jusqu'à Windjina puis Broome puis Port Hedland pour aller visiter les FABULEUX CANYONS du parc Karidjini puis plein ouest vers Ayer's Rock . Pour cette option , il ne faudra pas traîner mais pensez que c'est à 99 % tout plat et bien goudronné ou correctement gravillonné ( hors la traversée vers l'intérieur ) avec presque pas de circulation donc ça file cf photos
1 : dans les Kimberkey
3 : " " " la Cockburn Range
2 : vers Kununurra
Merci beaucoup d'avoir répondu si vite et de m'apporter les premiers éléments pour construire ce parcours...
Vous pensez que c'est "jouable" en 25 jours environ ? Il nous sera difficile d'avoir plus de jours, étant donné qu'il faut y rajouter les longs trajets en avion et que je suis (encore) salariée et donc je vais devoir "négocier" mes congés !
Bonjour,
Vous pensez que c'est "jouable" en 25 jours environ ? I
La proposition de Dupont est très intéressante mais si tu comptes y ajouter à la fois les parcs nationaux autour de Darwin et toute la région du Red Center, à mon avis, ça n'est pas possible dans ce timing 😕.
Pour la durée que tu envisages, ce qui me semble envisageable, c'est :
Darwin, Kakadu NP, (Litchfield NP), Katherine Gorge, route vers les Kimberley jusqu'à Kununurra (mais la plus belle partie se trouve après, c'est celle décrite par Dupont), Purnululu NP puis direction Red Center via Tanami Rd (une piste de 1000 km pas vraiment intéressante), Red Center, retour Darwin.
Le problème, c'est que tu manques la plus belle partie de l'Ouest et du Nord-Ouest : Gibb River Rd, Karijini NP, côte Ouest...
C'est pour cette raison que nous avions fait un trait sur le Red Center et privilégié un parcours Darwin/Perth mais en 5 semaines (en 25 jours, ça me paraît juste 🤪).
Tu peux jeter un oeil à notre récit, s'il peut t'aider à faire des choix :
sites.google.com/...euxvoyagesaustralie/
Tu peux aussi étudier les choix des membres Orionide et Lapinous.
Bonne réflexion 🙂
Vous pensez que c'est "jouable" en 25 jours environ ? I
La proposition de Dupont est très intéressante mais si tu comptes y ajouter à la fois les parcs nationaux autour de Darwin et toute la région du Red Center, à mon avis, ça n'est pas possible dans ce timing 😕.
Pour la durée que tu envisages, ce qui me semble envisageable, c'est :
Darwin, Kakadu NP, (Litchfield NP), Katherine Gorge, route vers les Kimberley jusqu'à Kununurra (mais la plus belle partie se trouve après, c'est celle décrite par Dupont), Purnululu NP puis direction Red Center via Tanami Rd (une piste de 1000 km pas vraiment intéressante), Red Center, retour Darwin.
Le problème, c'est que tu manques la plus belle partie de l'Ouest et du Nord-Ouest : Gibb River Rd, Karijini NP, côte Ouest...
C'est pour cette raison que nous avions fait un trait sur le Red Center et privilégié un parcours Darwin/Perth mais en 5 semaines (en 25 jours, ça me paraît juste 🤪).
Tu peux jeter un oeil à notre récit, s'il peut t'aider à faire des choix :
sites.google.com/...euxvoyagesaustralie/
Tu peux aussi étudier les choix des membres Orionide et Lapinous.
Bonne réflexion 🙂
Tous nos fabuleux voyages : http://sites.google.com/site/fabuleuxvoyageskrikrietherve/
Hello Christine !
En posant la question, je me doutais de la réponse ! Faire des choix, c'est toujours la difficulté, et c'est trop cruel !!! 🙁 J'ai évidemment regardé ton récit et ceux des Lapinous et d'Orionide : je vais continuer à faire des simulations et j'ai quelques mois devant moi pour prendre des décisions. Merci en tout cas de tes propositions. Bonne soirée et à bientôt (il y aura d'autres questions !)
En posant la question, je me doutais de la réponse ! Faire des choix, c'est toujours la difficulté, et c'est trop cruel !!! 🙁 J'ai évidemment regardé ton récit et ceux des Lapinous et d'Orionide : je vais continuer à faire des simulations et j'ai quelques mois devant moi pour prendre des décisions. Merci en tout cas de tes propositions. Bonne soirée et à bientôt (il y aura d'autres questions !)
Salut,
nous avons également parcouru le Top end, le centre rouge et la côte Ouest via la Tanami road.
tous les détails de notre itinéraire ici: http://welcomeontrip.com/itineraire-3-boucle-dans-le-centre-rouge/ http://welcomeontrip.com/itineraire-4-cote-ouest-australienne/ http://welcomeontrip.com/itineraire-top-end/
N'hésite pas si tu as des questions! On avait vraiment adoré Purnululu, Karijini et Palm Valley. Mais comme déjà dit il faudra faire des choix...
Bonne préparation!
nous avons également parcouru le Top end, le centre rouge et la côte Ouest via la Tanami road.
tous les détails de notre itinéraire ici: http://welcomeontrip.com/itineraire-3-boucle-dans-le-centre-rouge/ http://welcomeontrip.com/itineraire-4-cote-ouest-australienne/ http://welcomeontrip.com/itineraire-top-end/
N'hésite pas si tu as des questions! On avait vraiment adoré Purnululu, Karijini et Palm Valley. Mais comme déjà dit il faudra faire des choix...
Bonne préparation!
Merci pour les liens !
Je vais profiter du week-end pour lire cela de près...et je ne manquerai pas de revenir vers vous pour des précisions si besoin est...
A bientôt !
Je répète que la grande inconnue ( mais entre le Lonely et internet , vous devez avoir la réponse ) est de savoir où se situe le départ de la piste correcte qui va vers Ayer's Rock . Le A) que je propose est très faisable SI le départ de cette piste n'est pas trop au sud auquel cas vous devrez "sacrifier" les chutes Mitchell .
Justement à propos des Mitchell Falls : en septembre, donc à la fin de la saison sèche si j'ai bien compris, reste t-il suffisamment d'eau pour qu'elles soient "spectaculaires" et méritent un -grand- détour sur une piste "réputée difficile " ?
On a eu le cas de figure l'an dernier en Afrique du Sud, dans le Royal Natal, où l'on a fait un grand "crochet" sur notre itinéraire pour aller voir une chute...quasi tarie à cause de la sécheresse...Nous revenons d'Islande , donc actuellement nous sommes un peu blasés sur le sujet des chutes et autres cascades magnifiques !
Mitchell Falls : étudiez bien , google map + le Lonely ( rappel : le Lonely a été fondé par des australiens donc il est archi fiable pour leur propre pays ! ) la "difficulté" et la longueur du détour .
En effet , je comprends votre "angoisse" : dans tous les parcs classiques du nord , il y avait de belles chutes ( idem pour le parc Karijini ) SAUF aux Jim JIm Falls : sur les pubs , 2 magnifiques chutes jumelles . En saison sèche : les derniers 300 m d'approche à pied se font dans un chaos de rocs où je n'amènerais pas un petit gosse ; UNE seule chute et encore maigre .
Pour les Mitchell , ci-jointes quelques photos :
C'est pratiquement un fleuve qui alimente donc chutes assurées . J'y fus il y a quelques années et les points de vue spectaculaires étaient +- difficiles d'accès ou simplement impossibles mais peut-être que ça s'est amélioré ( voir guide ! ) . C'est le survol qui est FABULEUX !
Avec ces éléments , à vous de décider .
l idée me taraude aussi daller au pays des kangourous
vos discussions me donnent à penser que c est un voyage de retraités, de chomeurs ou de prof mais pas de salariés
Tu crois vraiment qu'il y a beaucoup de chômeurs qui peuvent s'offrir l'Australie ? 🤪
J'aime bien ton humour Orionide !!! 😉
Bravo pour tes contributions à V.F. car 2117 messages depuis 02/11, chapeau.
Amicalement.
Pierre
Un compliment venant d'un passionné de vélo me fait toujours plaisir ! 😉
C'est clair que pour les vrais travailleurs il n'y a guère le choix : trafic de drogue, prostitution ou vente d'organes.
L'Australie est à ce prix mon pote.
Au passage les retraités, les chômeurs et les profs t'emmerdent.
C était juste une autre façon de dire que l Australie mérite un voyage longue durée que seule la retraite peut offrir. .
Tu l'as quand même un peu cherché vu ta phrase provocatrice 2 posts plus haut.
Pour en revenir à ta remarque, tu peux faire un circuit sympa en Australie en 3 semaines. De toutes façons, que ce soit 3, 4, 5 semaines ou plus, on ne peut pas tout voir en un seul voyage. D'autant plus qu'il y a le problème des saisons.
Comme il y foule de réponse, juste pour vous donner une idée en terme de timming, on à fait :
Perth -> exmouth -> karijini -> Broom -> Bungles Bungles -> Tanami track -> Alice Sprin -> King's canyon -> Mont Olga -> Ayers rock en deux semaine. On rush pas mal les étapes, mais on profite bien des NP. Par contre l'ouest et le nord en 25 ca parait compliqué.
Si vous voulez quelques photos et une idée de ce que peut reprénter cette itinéraire (mais à l'envers du coup :) ) Vous trouverez sur le blog :)
Bon courage pour les choix, c'est le plus dur ! :p
Si vous voulez quelques photos et une idée de ce que peut reprénter cette itinéraire (mais à l'envers du coup :) ) Vous trouverez sur le blog :)
Bon courage pour les choix, c'est le plus dur ! :p
http://australian-road.blogspot.fr souvenirs d'ailleurs... On repartira !
http://transhumancemotarde.blogspot.com/
Merci pour votre réponse et le blog (que je vais regarder de près !), c'est toujours sympa de profiter des expériences de chacun...
Nous n'avons pas l'intention d'aller jusqu'à Perth mais de nous arrêter au bout de la Gibb River Road et de redescendre par la Tanami Road : de Perth à Derby il y a plus de 2300 km...que nous ne ferons pas !
Bon week-end !
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Thanks for your tips! Penlan
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
Hi there,
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
Hello,
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!













