Annulation d'un voyage en Égypte pour février 2011
by 27pascalesta
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
Nous devions participer à un trail nature dans le désert blanc d'Egypte, du 27/02 au 07/03 et, compte tenu des troubles actuels dans ce pays, nous ne souhaitons plus partir.
L'association organisatrice a envoyé un sondage à tous les participants, mi-février, afin de connaître la position de chacun.
Au départ, peu de personnes souhaitaient confirmer, puis au fil du temps, il a envoyé chaque jour des mails rassurants, disant qu'il était en contact avec son correspondant sur place, que tout était calme, etc, etc.....de ce fait, des participants ont finalement confirmé leur départ. Au final, il ne reste que 11 personnes sur 49 inscrits qui confirment leur annulation, dont nous.
L'organisateur nous indique qu'il nous en coûtera 20 % du montant du voyage.
Est-ce légal ? Sur quelles bases se fondent-ils pour fixer ce taux ?
Merci de votre aide.
Pascale
Dans la mesure ou c'est vous qui annulez, si on ne vous retient que 20% pour un départ le 27, estimez vous tres heureux...........
Voyager, c'est demander d'un coup à la distance ce que le temps ne pourrait nous donner que peu à peu, c'est gagner son procès contre l'habitude.
Dans la mesure ou c'est vous qui annulez, si on ne vous retient que 20% pour un départ le 27, estimez vous tres heureux...........
+1 , et juste .
+1 , et juste .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Votre contrat de voyage devait être accompagné de conditions générales et particulières de vente. En regardant la date à laquelle vous avez annulé (x jours avant départ), vous saurez quel est la pénalité légale appliquée. dans le cas contraire ces mentions sont sur leur site internet. C'est obligatoire!
bonjour,
on est rentré le 23 janvier du désert blanc (la veille des grandes manifestations
Je suis surpris " groupe de 49 personnes 😠😠😕
pour rêver (et changer d'avis peut être) photos sur mon site
Cordialement
@lain26
site http://voyagesalain26.over-blog.com et http://randosalain26.over-blog.com
Quand vous achetez un séjour ou voyage, il y a toujours une clause concernant l'annulation avec un taux qui restera à votre charge. Ce taux varie selon le nombre de jour qu'il reste avant le départ. A moins d'avoir pris une assurance annulation mais là encore faut-il avoir une raison valable.
😉 Viens voyager sur mon site http://la.descente.du.nil.over-blog.fr/ ou http://photosdevoyageautourdumonde.fr
Bonjour,
Merci pour toutes vos réponses ; en effet, je sais bien tout cela, qu'il y a des clauses mais là, étant donné les circonstances sur place, il me semble que la sagesse voulait tout simplement qu'il annule de lui-même sa prestation, d'autant qu'avant que cela n'éclate en Egypte, je l'avais contacté lui disant ma peur que les évènement tunisiens ne fassent boule de neige et n'éclatent dans tous les autres pays du maghreb......ce qui est arrivé. Mais il a nié les risques et nous a poussés à maintenir notre voyage.
Donc, il y a quand même 11 personnes qui annulent et il nous demande 20 % du montant total, c'est là où je me demande si c'est légal.
A bientôt
Merci de votre aide
Pascale
Il n'y a pas d'arrangements "entre amis" dans le commerce, le CETO est OK pour la reprise des vols depuis hier, donc les voyages sont maintenus par les TO et agences. Si quelqu'un décide d'annuler, c'est son problème et il en supporte les conséquences. L'assurance annulation, même si vous l'avez souscrite, ne fonctionne pas pour convenances personnelles. Désolé, mais encore une fois je vous renvoie aux clauses légales de votre contrat de voyage qui fixe les modalités d'annulation. Et puis vous devriez y aller, c'est magique!
Le voyage se fait, il n'y a plus de contre indication et il n'y a pas eu de problème dans le désert. Le voyagiste n'a aucune raison de vous faire une fleur. Officiellement vous n'avez aucune raison valable pour annuler votre voyage.
😉 Viens voyager sur mon site http://la.descente.du.nil.over-blog.fr/ ou http://photosdevoyageautourdumonde.fr
Bonjour
Mes amis et moi devons partir en avril au Caire. En janvier, nous nous sommes renseigné concernant une éventuelle annulation, et l'agence de voyage nous a confirmé que les billets sont remboursés à 100% pour autant que le département des affaires étrangères déconseille le départ en Egypte au moment du départ. Il me semble que c'est toujours le cas. Donc même si c'est vous qui annulez, et puisque la prudence est de mise et qu'elle est prônée par les autorités, l'agence se doit de vous rembourser la totalité du billet (en tout cas en Suisse).
l'egypte n'est plus deconseillé pour le sejour touristique
On diffuse les informations comme on souhaite qu'elles soient réceptionnées.
C'est à dire, qu'en effet, la france ne déconseille plus d'aller en Egypte, à ceci près que c'est uniquement pour se rendre sur la Mer Rouge ou à Louxor ; pour l'heure (en tout cas c'est ce que j'ai vu ce matin), rien n'est moins sûr pour Le Caire.
A suivre, donc.
si tu lis bien les infos du site des affaires etrangeres, il n y a pas d'interdiction a y aller au caire.
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Dernière mise à jour : 17 février 2011. La situation sécuritaire est marquée par un quasi retour à la normale dans la plupart des régions. Les étrangers en particulier ne font l’objet d’aucune menace spécifique. S’agissant des Français présents, ils sont invités à rester vigilants lors de leurs déplacements. Il leur est notamment recommandé de se tenir éloignés des attroupements et de respecter scrupuleusement le couvre- feu en vigueur de 24h00 à 06h00 au Caire, à Suez et à Alexandrie. Les Français résidant en Egypte et ayant momentanément quitté le pays peuvent préparer leur retour, en particulier en vue de la rentrée des classes, qui est prévue pour les établissements français le 27 février. S’agissant des projets de déplacements, les séjours dans les grands centres touristiques ne sont plus déconseillés. La zone de la Mer Rouge connaît une situation normale, de même que les villes de Louxor et d’Assouan. Il n’y a donc pas d’objection à s’y rendre par voie aérienne. Les déplacements routiers, en particulier en Moyenne Egypte, sont en revanche déconseillés. La zone du Nord Sinaï est quant à elle le théâtre de troubles récurrents et doit être évitée. La multiplication des mouvements sociaux et les appels à manifester le vendredi peuvent toutefois avoir un impact sur les conditions de séjour en Egypte, en particulier au Caire, à Alexandrie et dans les villes qui ont connu de récentes manifestations (région du Delta, Fayoum, Suez). Il convient donc de conserver une attitude de vigilance générale.
Dernière mise à jour : 17 février 2011. La situation sécuritaire est marquée par un quasi retour à la normale dans la plupart des régions. Les étrangers en particulier ne font l’objet d’aucune menace spécifique. S’agissant des Français présents, ils sont invités à rester vigilants lors de leurs déplacements. Il leur est notamment recommandé de se tenir éloignés des attroupements et de respecter scrupuleusement le couvre- feu en vigueur de 24h00 à 06h00 au Caire, à Suez et à Alexandrie. Les Français résidant en Egypte et ayant momentanément quitté le pays peuvent préparer leur retour, en particulier en vue de la rentrée des classes, qui est prévue pour les établissements français le 27 février. S’agissant des projets de déplacements, les séjours dans les grands centres touristiques ne sont plus déconseillés. La zone de la Mer Rouge connaît une situation normale, de même que les villes de Louxor et d’Assouan. Il n’y a donc pas d’objection à s’y rendre par voie aérienne. Les déplacements routiers, en particulier en Moyenne Egypte, sont en revanche déconseillés. La zone du Nord Sinaï est quant à elle le théâtre de troubles récurrents et doit être évitée. La multiplication des mouvements sociaux et les appels à manifester le vendredi peuvent toutefois avoir un impact sur les conditions de séjour en Egypte, en particulier au Caire, à Alexandrie et dans les villes qui ont connu de récentes manifestations (région du Delta, Fayoum, Suez). Il convient donc de conserver une attitude de vigilance générale.
donc pas d'interdit
Evidemment, non, pas d'interdit.... nous sommes en démocratie, chacun est libre de circuler à son aise ; le gouvernement ne fait que conseiller ou déconseiller mais, encore une fois, la situation est loin d'être stabilisée et peut donc virer très vite dans le mauvais sens......de plus, il est fait état de nombreuses grèves donc, prendre le risque d'atterrir et de rester sur le tarmac, très peu pour moi......
Pourtant, j'aurais bien aimé aller dans le désert blanc ; je suis déjà allée deux fois en Egypte et j'adore ce pays ; j'y retournerai forcément, il m'attire mais je souhaite y aller détendue et non dans le stress et l'angoisse.
ce n est pas une question de democratie ou non; la france ne deconseille plus cé ca qui est important.
le fait qu'il y a des manifs ou des greves ca n'a jamais empeché de voyager et que dans ces situations les assurances jouent parfaitement.
Si par envie personnel tu ne veux pas y aller alors il faudra accepter les clauses de ton contrat de voyage. tu ne peux pas decreter par toi-meme ce qui est dangereux ou non pour que cela s'applique a tes contrats.
le fait qu'il y a des manifs ou des greves ca n'a jamais empeché de voyager et que dans ces situations les assurances jouent parfaitement.
Si par envie personnel tu ne veux pas y aller alors il faudra accepter les clauses de ton contrat de voyage. tu ne peux pas decreter par toi-meme ce qui est dangereux ou non pour que cela s'applique a tes contrats.
Bonjour,
Je viens de lire sur le site d'un voyagiste (je n sais plus lequel...) dans un article du 20 février qu'à cette date, il n'était pas encore possible de se rendre dans le désert blanc. Quelqu'un a-t-il des infos plus récentes? Je pars vendredi prochain, 1 semaine louxor-Assouan puis trek de 5 jours dans le désert blanc avant de finir par les visites du Caire et d'Alexandrie...
Merci d'avance pour vos infos!
Je viens de lire sur le site d'un voyagiste (je n sais plus lequel...) dans un article du 20 février qu'à cette date, il n'était pas encore possible de se rendre dans le désert blanc. Quelqu'un a-t-il des infos plus récentes? Je pars vendredi prochain, 1 semaine louxor-Assouan puis trek de 5 jours dans le désert blanc avant de finir par les visites du Caire et d'Alexandrie...
Merci d'avance pour vos infos!
Bonjour,
Si vous retrouvez cette information, elle m'intéresse au plus haut point car, notre organisateur de trek a maintenu le départ (aujourd'hui) pour le désert blanc, seules 11 personnes ont annulé pour les raisons que l'on connaît.
De ce fait, il nous conserve une participation financière ; or, si les voyages vers l'Egypte sont annulés par les tours opérateurs, il devrait nous rembourser la totalité de la prestation.
Merci donc de me tenir informée des informations qui iraient dans ce sens.
Voilà la source. Attention c'est un article du 21, je pense que la situation évolue positivement assez rapidement (j'espère !).
Aucune info sur la fiabilité du site et des infos http://www.easyvoyage.com/infos-voyageur/nouveaux-departs-pour-l-egypte-5213
j'ai un souci, je pars le 19/03 à hurgada avec mes enfants et petits enfants, je viens de m'apercevoir que l'orthographe du prenom de ma peitie fille de 8 mois est inexacte maelie ecrit maelis
dans un 1er temps nouvelles frontieres m'a rassuré en m'informant que la prononciation ne changeait pas donc pas de probleme et ce matin je reçois un mail puis un sms me reclamant 30€ pour modif, j'ai le sentiment qu'on m'anarque ce n'est pas pour les 30€ mais pour le principe, je suis fidele à NF depuis qques années et je leur laisse + de 6000e pour ce sejour
qu'en pensez-vous?
d'avance merci
cordialement
Que vous devriez les rappeler en leur demandant si vous devez croire le téléphone ou le sms.
Ensuite, qui a fait l'erreur de saisie : vous ou eux (en agence) ? Si c'est eux, plaidez... Mais vous êtes sensés avoir relu avant de signer.
Bref, je pense que, moi, je paierai, en me disant que pour les prochains voyages, je veillerai particulièrement à l'orthographe (le truc idiot, j'en conviens)
Ensuite, qui a fait l'erreur de saisie : vous ou eux (en agence) ? Si c'est eux, plaidez... Mais vous êtes sensés avoir relu avant de signer.
Bref, je pense que, moi, je paierai, en me disant que pour les prochains voyages, je veillerai particulièrement à l'orthographe (le truc idiot, j'en conviens)
"Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination.
Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues." Céline
mes photos de voyage : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fabrice-Bloch-photographe/232403640142664
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!




