Savez vous si l'ascension du Mont Ararat et les randos dans le coin sont soumises à autorisation ou librement pratiquées en individuel ? Je cherche aussi des contatcs de personnes s'étant rendues là-bas dans l'année passée merci !
Ascension du mont Ararat en Turquie: autorisation nécessaire?
by Rinka
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour
Savez vous si l'ascension du Mont Ararat et les randos dans le coin sont soumises à autorisation ou librement pratiquées en individuel ? Je cherche aussi des contatcs de personnes s'étant rendues là-bas dans l'année passée merci !
Savez vous si l'ascension du Mont Ararat et les randos dans le coin sont soumises à autorisation ou librement pratiquées en individuel ? Je cherche aussi des contatcs de personnes s'étant rendues là-bas dans l'année passée merci !
"scratch a Russian and you will find a Tartar", proverbe russe, cité par peter Hopkirk, in "The Great Game"
Bonjour,
Je n'ai jamais ça, mais il faut de toutes façons un guide local qui demande une autorisation officielle.
Michel
Je n'ai jamais ça, mais il faut de toutes façons un guide local qui demande une autorisation officielle.
Michel
Si tu le souhaites, voici le site d'un guide qui fait des ascensions, je ne suis pas allée avec eux au mont Ararat, mais je connais Mehmet Ceven qui est quelqu'un de très agréable et un amoureux de la montagne: http://araratsguide.com/index.html
Un ami m'a dit: Le monde serait meilleur si chacun-e regardait dans l'assiette de l'autre et y rajoutait ce qu'il y manque
Salut!
Je l'ai fait il y a quelques années, et il fallait une autorisation. Sauf que je ne l'ai su qu'après être monté... Ca s'est bien passé, mais je pense qu'il est plus prudent d'en avoir une. Sinon à dogubayasit tu as plein d'agence et de guide, il faut juste faire un peu le tri.
Bonne ascension.
Salut,
J'ai réalisé l'ascension du Mont Ararat, en septembre 2005. Je suis passé par une agence de trek. Il fallait une autorisation. Nous étions enregistrés chez les militaires, contrôle pointu des papiers ! Je te donne les coordonnées de l'agence, elle est très compétente. Je pense qu'elle existe toujours...
SOBEK TRAVEL www.trekkinginturkeys.com
sobek@trekkinginturkeys.com
Je ne sais pas si tu pourras accéder à des renseignements mais tu peux essayer. Concernant l'ascension, je peux te donner mes impressions, répondre à des questions... Sans problème !
Bon voyage !
J'ai réalisé l'ascension du Mont Ararat, en septembre 2005. Je suis passé par une agence de trek. Il fallait une autorisation. Nous étions enregistrés chez les militaires, contrôle pointu des papiers ! Je te donne les coordonnées de l'agence, elle est très compétente. Je pense qu'elle existe toujours...
SOBEK TRAVEL www.trekkinginturkeys.com
sobek@trekkinginturkeys.com
Je ne sais pas si tu pourras accéder à des renseignements mais tu peux essayer. Concernant l'ascension, je peux te donner mes impressions, répondre à des questions... Sans problème !
Bon voyage !
Régis
Salut,
Ma réponse arrive peut-être un peu tard... Mais je voulais préciser qu'il faut absolument une autorisation et que ça risque de ne pas être très facile, la région étant très militarisée.
L'année passée, trois touristes allemands avaient été enlevés par le PKK (et libérés au bout d'une dizaine de jours), plus d'infos p. ex. ici: http://www.rfi.fr/actufr/articles/103/article_68834.aspet ici: http://bersiv.com/depeches/90-trois-touristes-allemands-enleves-par-le-pkk-en-turquie/
Je ne dis pas ça pour te faire peur, comme le précise l'un des articles mentionnés, l'enlèvement de touristes n'est pas une pratique courante du PKK. Mais le gouvernement en a profité pour renforcer les effectifs de l'armée et l'accès au Mont Ararat était totalement interdit aux touristes pendant quelques temps l'été passé. Je pense que cela c'est un peu calmé depuis.
Le département fédéral des affaires étrangères (Suisse) fait les recommandations suivantes: "Recommandation pour les randonnées dans le sud-est, l’est et le nord-est du pays: il est déconseillé d’entreprendre des randonnées en petits groupes à l’est de la ligne Kars-Agri-Van-Siirt. Il est recommandé aux personnes effectuant des randonnées en grands groupes de se faire accompagner d’un guide local digne de confiance et de s’assurer que ce dernier s’est renseigné sur les conditions de sécurité auprès des autorités locales. Cette mesure de précaution doit être appliquée également pour les randonnées organisées dans les autres régions du sud-est, de l’est et du nord-est du pays. Les excursions sur le Mont Mont Agri (Ararat) sont soumises à une autorisation spéciale du Ministère turque des affaires étrangères." (http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/fr/home/reps/eur/vtur/rhtur.html)
Bonne randonnée quand même!
Ma réponse arrive peut-être un peu tard... Mais je voulais préciser qu'il faut absolument une autorisation et que ça risque de ne pas être très facile, la région étant très militarisée.
L'année passée, trois touristes allemands avaient été enlevés par le PKK (et libérés au bout d'une dizaine de jours), plus d'infos p. ex. ici: http://www.rfi.fr/actufr/articles/103/article_68834.aspet ici: http://bersiv.com/depeches/90-trois-touristes-allemands-enleves-par-le-pkk-en-turquie/
Je ne dis pas ça pour te faire peur, comme le précise l'un des articles mentionnés, l'enlèvement de touristes n'est pas une pratique courante du PKK. Mais le gouvernement en a profité pour renforcer les effectifs de l'armée et l'accès au Mont Ararat était totalement interdit aux touristes pendant quelques temps l'été passé. Je pense que cela c'est un peu calmé depuis.
Le département fédéral des affaires étrangères (Suisse) fait les recommandations suivantes: "Recommandation pour les randonnées dans le sud-est, l’est et le nord-est du pays: il est déconseillé d’entreprendre des randonnées en petits groupes à l’est de la ligne Kars-Agri-Van-Siirt. Il est recommandé aux personnes effectuant des randonnées en grands groupes de se faire accompagner d’un guide local digne de confiance et de s’assurer que ce dernier s’est renseigné sur les conditions de sécurité auprès des autorités locales. Cette mesure de précaution doit être appliquée également pour les randonnées organisées dans les autres régions du sud-est, de l’est et du nord-est du pays. Les excursions sur le Mont Mont Agri (Ararat) sont soumises à une autorisation spéciale du Ministère turque des affaires étrangères." (http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/fr/home/reps/eur/vtur/rhtur.html)
Bonne randonnée quand même!
salut a tous
Bon voila moi et un ami nous avons fait le mont Ararat l'été dernier
Le problème etant que nous n'avions pas de pass
Donc OUI il est possible de faire cette montagne sans passe cependant bcp de choses à savoir avant... explication de l'aventure
- à votre arrivé a Dogobayazit de nombreuses personnes vont vous arceler pour prendre un guide (300 € ce qui est hors de prix pour la pays) Comme nosu avions peur des militaires nous avons demandé à l'une d'entre elle de juste prévenir les militaires de notre arrivée et de nous amener en taxi jusqu'a Eli village pour 50€ chacun (très chère) mais apres des problèmes d'itinéraires avec le taxi il nous a laissé plutôt loin (vers la route national 4 km de Eli) nous avons terminé a pied jusqu'a 2700m le premier soir (bien entendu aucun militaire à l'horizon vous pouvez meme passer boir un thé a Eli dans la première maison pour 1TL. (je vous conseil donc de prendre un taxi dans la ville et de lui demander de vous amener au plus près d'ELI village mais sans passer par une agence)
L'itinéraire et simple ( me demander pour plus de précision ggravier@gmx.com) Sinon suivre la grande route depuis ELi puis vers ( je suis pas sur mais) 2300m quitter le gros chemin pour monter vers la droite vous devriez voir un autre chemin qui coupe une petite colline en deux aller jusque la. Sinon suivre les personnes ( bcp de monde sur la montagne touristes cordées) Nous avons aussi bcp demander aux paysans du coin qui sont partout surtout les enfants
- deuxième jour : temps maussade ( neige et pluie AMENER DES VÊTEMENTS CHAUDS ET UNE BONNE TENTE c'est important😮 -10 en plein Aout ) après avoir croisé un tcheque (très apeuré) qui descender en courant il a eu le temps de nous dire de ne pas passer au camp 1 sans guide. Nous ne l'avons pas écouté et en effet les guides du coin son très collant voir menaçant si vous n'avez pas de guide il faut donc au maximum éviter le contact avec eux jusqu'au camp de base 2 A la place du camp de base un nous sommes montaient plus haut (300m de plus) sur la droite en montant il y a des terrains plats ou vous pourrez poser la tente
- au camp de base deux ambiance plus decontracter, il fait froid et il ya a du vent. Le lendemain départ derrière une cordée 3h du mat (100 m) avec le mauvais temps nous les avons suivit et la le guide fut très sympatique avec nous malheureusement mauvais temps (brouillard et neige) nous nous sommes arrêté a 4850m
- il n'y a pas de carte ( même si l'itinéraire est facile jusqu'au camp de base deux)
voila pour ce que nous avons vu sur place donc pas de militaires mais des autochtones assez rudes avec les touristes qui ne paye pas. Il faut comprendre aussi que c'est leur gagne pain donc si vous avez de l'argent c'est peu être mieux de prendre un guide à bon entendeur 😉
Autres questions : ggravier@gmx.com
- à votre arrivé a Dogobayazit de nombreuses personnes vont vous arceler pour prendre un guide (300 € ce qui est hors de prix pour la pays) Comme nosu avions peur des militaires nous avons demandé à l'une d'entre elle de juste prévenir les militaires de notre arrivée et de nous amener en taxi jusqu'a Eli village pour 50€ chacun (très chère) mais apres des problèmes d'itinéraires avec le taxi il nous a laissé plutôt loin (vers la route national 4 km de Eli) nous avons terminé a pied jusqu'a 2700m le premier soir (bien entendu aucun militaire à l'horizon vous pouvez meme passer boir un thé a Eli dans la première maison pour 1TL. (je vous conseil donc de prendre un taxi dans la ville et de lui demander de vous amener au plus près d'ELI village mais sans passer par une agence)
L'itinéraire et simple ( me demander pour plus de précision ggravier@gmx.com) Sinon suivre la grande route depuis ELi puis vers ( je suis pas sur mais) 2300m quitter le gros chemin pour monter vers la droite vous devriez voir un autre chemin qui coupe une petite colline en deux aller jusque la. Sinon suivre les personnes ( bcp de monde sur la montagne touristes cordées) Nous avons aussi bcp demander aux paysans du coin qui sont partout surtout les enfants
- deuxième jour : temps maussade ( neige et pluie AMENER DES VÊTEMENTS CHAUDS ET UNE BONNE TENTE c'est important😮 -10 en plein Aout ) après avoir croisé un tcheque (très apeuré) qui descender en courant il a eu le temps de nous dire de ne pas passer au camp 1 sans guide. Nous ne l'avons pas écouté et en effet les guides du coin son très collant voir menaçant si vous n'avez pas de guide il faut donc au maximum éviter le contact avec eux jusqu'au camp de base 2 A la place du camp de base un nous sommes montaient plus haut (300m de plus) sur la droite en montant il y a des terrains plats ou vous pourrez poser la tente
- au camp de base deux ambiance plus decontracter, il fait froid et il ya a du vent. Le lendemain départ derrière une cordée 3h du mat (100 m) avec le mauvais temps nous les avons suivit et la le guide fut très sympatique avec nous malheureusement mauvais temps (brouillard et neige) nous nous sommes arrêté a 4850m
- il n'y a pas de carte ( même si l'itinéraire est facile jusqu'au camp de base deux)
voila pour ce que nous avons vu sur place donc pas de militaires mais des autochtones assez rudes avec les touristes qui ne paye pas. Il faut comprendre aussi que c'est leur gagne pain donc si vous avez de l'argent c'est peu être mieux de prendre un guide à bon entendeur 😉
Autres questions : ggravier@gmx.com
Bonjour,
Je suis Mehmet Ceven - guide et propriétaire de la société Ararat's Guide. Merci à propos bonne opinion de moi, même si nous n'étions pas ensemble pour le sommet de l'Ararat.
Mais vous êtes les bienvenus en tout temps pour profiter Ararat avec moi!
Si vous avez des questions au sujet de trekking dans les montagnes turques ou iraniennes - Je peux vous aider parce que je suis organiser des excursions pour que les montagnes.
Pour plus d'informations s'il vous plaît consulter mon site: www.araratsguide.com et contactez-moi.
Salutations, Mehmet
Salutations, Mehmet
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Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra








