Bivouac dans l'Erg Chebbi: palais des dunes ou Ksar Bicha? (Maroc)
by Nevots
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Nous sommes 5 amis à nous rendre dans le sud marocain du 12 au 20 mars 2010. Nous souhaiterions passer une nuit en bivouac sous tente berbere dans le desert. Comme nous souhaitons faire la vallée des roses, les gorges etc nous pensions aux dunes de l'Erg chebbi et apès plusieurs recherches sur forums nous nous sommes arrêtés sur 2 adresses d'auberge proposant un bivouac dans le desert: palais des dunes et ksar Bicha: lequel me recommandez vous? pour le palais des dunes il n'est pas indiqué si ce sont des lits ou sacs de couchage et le nombre de personnes par tente: quelqu'un a t-il déjà eu recours à eux pour le bivouac? comment cela se passe t-il?
Merci d'avance à ceux qui prendront le temps de me répondre!
Bonjour ,
Pour les auberges , elles sont nombreuses , et doivent toutes plus ou moins se valoir . L' été dernier nous étions au camping-auberge Sahara , nous avons été complètement satisfait . Il dispose d' une piscine , et l' été , c' est bien ! Propose également des bivouacs à dos de dromadaires dans l' erg Chebbi ... à ne surtout pas manquer ! Effectivement , entreprendre une rando à dos de chameaux ( des dromadaires en l' occurrence ) se révèle un souvenir inoubliable ! Tellement touristique tellement classique , mais tellement magique ... Comme beaucoup d' entre nous , nous nous sommes rendus à Merzouga pour entreprendre l' aventure : chevaucher dans un océan de dunes , couleurs magnifiques dans le soleil couchant , atteindre une oasis constituant le lieu de bivouac nocturne , partager le repas du touareg , nuit dans les dunes , sous un ciel étoilé , puis retour à la lumière du soleil levant ... Récit en images de cette expérience inoubliable : ICI ( voir en date du 27/07 ) . Je reste à ta disposition pour toute info complémentaire ( prix=27€/p. ) .
Amicalement .
Pour les auberges , elles sont nombreuses , et doivent toutes plus ou moins se valoir . L' été dernier nous étions au camping-auberge Sahara , nous avons été complètement satisfait . Il dispose d' une piscine , et l' été , c' est bien ! Propose également des bivouacs à dos de dromadaires dans l' erg Chebbi ... à ne surtout pas manquer ! Effectivement , entreprendre une rando à dos de chameaux ( des dromadaires en l' occurrence ) se révèle un souvenir inoubliable ! Tellement touristique tellement classique , mais tellement magique ... Comme beaucoup d' entre nous , nous nous sommes rendus à Merzouga pour entreprendre l' aventure : chevaucher dans un océan de dunes , couleurs magnifiques dans le soleil couchant , atteindre une oasis constituant le lieu de bivouac nocturne , partager le repas du touareg , nuit dans les dunes , sous un ciel étoilé , puis retour à la lumière du soleil levant ... Récit en images de cette expérience inoubliable : ICI ( voir en date du 27/07 ) . Je reste à ta disposition pour toute info complémentaire ( prix=27€/p. ) .
Amicalement .
Nos récits de voyages : http://escapades.jimdo.com/
Nouveau : "La GdE" (http://lagde.jimdo.com/), l' histoire d' un TDM de 318 jours (Août 2013/Juillet 2014) .
Bonjour,
A Merzouga, pratiquement quelle que soit l'auberge , les prestations de la fameuse "nuit dans le désert" sont pratiquement identiques, memes chameaux, memes tentes , meme repas , meme musique autour du feu, meme lever de soleil, et meme prix 35 euros négociable vers 26/30 selon saison (et vous serez hors saison ou presque 😉😉) pour un groupe de 5 .
Les tentes sont souvent équipées de lits avec le max de couvertures possible. il y a des tentes à 2, souvent, parfois à 3 ou 4.
Une nuit en bivouac en mars c'est quoi ? (entre 25 et 35 euros par pers selon prestations, prestataire, et négociation ) Un rendez vous en fin d'après midi pour monter sur des chameaux, et faire entre 4 et 6 kms pour rejoindre un campement installé à l'année derrière une dune . L'attente d'un repas plus ou moins correct, en enfilant un pull de plus toutes les 1/2 h quand on a pensé à les prendre ! une heure ou 2 autour du feu pendant que les chameliers font un max d'efforts pour vous bouger un peu en faisant de la musique. Quelques heures dans des couvertures parfois pleines de sable, et autres bestioles si affinités. Un réveil obligatoire très très tot pour monter obligatoirement sur la dunette la plus proche pour faire la photo obligatoire du lever de soleil. le coucher ayant été fait la veille , décevant pour le prix, selon les commentaires. Un ptit dej expédié. le retour à dromadaire, tout le monde se demande s'il va oser remonter la dessus !! mais bon , faut pas perdre la face. retour vers un hotel ou on récupère ses bagages et ou on fait la queue pour une douche salutaire. fin de prestation.
A Merzouga, pratiquement quelle que soit l'auberge , les prestations de la fameuse "nuit dans le désert" sont pratiquement identiques, memes chameaux, memes tentes , meme repas , meme musique autour du feu, meme lever de soleil, et meme prix 35 euros négociable vers 26/30 selon saison (et vous serez hors saison ou presque 😉😉) pour un groupe de 5 .
Les tentes sont souvent équipées de lits avec le max de couvertures possible. il y a des tentes à 2, souvent, parfois à 3 ou 4.
Une nuit en bivouac en mars c'est quoi ? (entre 25 et 35 euros par pers selon prestations, prestataire, et négociation ) Un rendez vous en fin d'après midi pour monter sur des chameaux, et faire entre 4 et 6 kms pour rejoindre un campement installé à l'année derrière une dune . L'attente d'un repas plus ou moins correct, en enfilant un pull de plus toutes les 1/2 h quand on a pensé à les prendre ! une heure ou 2 autour du feu pendant que les chameliers font un max d'efforts pour vous bouger un peu en faisant de la musique. Quelques heures dans des couvertures parfois pleines de sable, et autres bestioles si affinités. Un réveil obligatoire très très tot pour monter obligatoirement sur la dunette la plus proche pour faire la photo obligatoire du lever de soleil. le coucher ayant été fait la veille , décevant pour le prix, selon les commentaires. Un ptit dej expédié. le retour à dromadaire, tout le monde se demande s'il va oser remonter la dessus !! mais bon , faut pas perdre la face. retour vers un hotel ou on récupère ses bagages et ou on fait la queue pour une douche salutaire. fin de prestation.
de quoi etre degouté d aller en vacance............
oui effectivement ca se passe comme cela mais bon quand tu reside toute l année dans le nord de la france ou autre de plus en appart cela reste quand meme magique
tu aurais plus y metre de la meilleure volonté😮
Bonjour, je fais le parcours classique marrakech-ait benaddou-gorges du dades- de todra- erg chebbi et retour vers marrakech par la vallée du draa, fin mars, pdt 16J sans voiture de location. Le fait de pas avoir de voiture m'inquiete un peu. Jai plusieurs questions:
- Vu que nous n'avons pas de voiture est il preferable de loger ds les gorges ou a boulmane? Est il facile de rejoindre et de se ballader ds les gorges de dades et de todra sans vehicule?
- Au vu de votre reponse sur la nuit ds l'erg chebbi, que nous conseillerez vous pr sortir des sentiers battus ( je precise que nous serons avec un enfant de 6ans), meme si ca doit etre un peu plus long...
- Quelle st les temperatures ds les gorges a cette periodes ( doit on prendre pull et sac de couchage) et ds le desert? Si piscine ds un hotel on pourra se baigner??
Bref tout vos conseils st les bienvenus! Merci d'avance.
- Au vu de votre reponse sur la nuit ds l'erg chebbi, que nous conseillerez vous pr sortir des sentiers battus ( je precise que nous serons avec un enfant de 6ans), meme si ca doit etre un peu plus long...
- Quelle st les temperatures ds les gorges a cette periodes ( doit on prendre pull et sac de couchage) et ds le desert? Si piscine ds un hotel on pourra se baigner??
Bref tout vos conseils st les bienvenus! Merci d'avance.
bonjour a mon avie auberge du sud ils on un supperbe bivouaq aux plein dunes a 1h30mn de dromadaire .avec douche et toilette
Bonjour ,
Au vu de votre reponse sur la nuit ds l'erg chebbi, que nous conseillerez vous pr sortir des sentiers battus ( je precise que nous serons avec un enfant de 6ans), meme si ca doit etre un peu plus long...
J' ignore tout de votre vécu , de vos précédentes expériences ... evidemment , il s' agit du truc bateau ! Mais quel souvenir pour votre enfant de 6 ans : dormir à la belle étoile dans les dunes après avoir chevauché à dos de dromadaire ! Mes filles ( 16 et 11 ans ) et nous mêmes , gardons un merveilleux souvenir de cette expérience réalisée l' été dernier !
Amicalement .
Au vu de votre reponse sur la nuit ds l'erg chebbi, que nous conseillerez vous pr sortir des sentiers battus ( je precise que nous serons avec un enfant de 6ans), meme si ca doit etre un peu plus long...
J' ignore tout de votre vécu , de vos précédentes expériences ... evidemment , il s' agit du truc bateau ! Mais quel souvenir pour votre enfant de 6 ans : dormir à la belle étoile dans les dunes après avoir chevauché à dos de dromadaire ! Mes filles ( 16 et 11 ans ) et nous mêmes , gardons un merveilleux souvenir de cette expérience réalisée l' été dernier !
Amicalement .
Nos récits de voyages : http://escapades.jimdo.com/
Nouveau : "La GdE" (http://lagde.jimdo.com/), l' histoire d' un TDM de 318 jours (Août 2013/Juillet 2014) .
Bonjour,
* ***Est il facile de rejoindre et de se ballader ds les gorges de dades et de todra sans vehicule? ***
OUI ! les bus parcourent la nationale, les taxis s'enfoncent dans les gorges. les pieds font le reste. il fera surement beau et chaud, sac de couchage inutile, (meme en plein hiver) et pulls , oui comme partout dès qu'il y a de la montagne. Loger à Boumalne , rien de follichon. dans les gorges plein de choses, dans ton cas l'auberge Mizgirne est très accessible, et de bon conseil pour les promenades.
* ****la nuit ds l'erg chebbi, que nous conseillerez vous pr sortir des sentiers battus ****
Avec un gamin , c'est obligatoire ! il va se faire un super cinéma et croire """"chevaucher dans un océan de dunes""" , partager le repas du touareg(*) """" mais ce n'est pas hors des sentiers battus, c'est un produit 100 % touristique.
(*) faudra pas lui dire , mais les premiers touaregs , comme les hommes bleus, vivent à 3000 km de la !!😄😉😏
* ***Est il facile de rejoindre et de se ballader ds les gorges de dades et de todra sans vehicule? ***
OUI ! les bus parcourent la nationale, les taxis s'enfoncent dans les gorges. les pieds font le reste. il fera surement beau et chaud, sac de couchage inutile, (meme en plein hiver) et pulls , oui comme partout dès qu'il y a de la montagne. Loger à Boumalne , rien de follichon. dans les gorges plein de choses, dans ton cas l'auberge Mizgirne est très accessible, et de bon conseil pour les promenades.
* ****la nuit ds l'erg chebbi, que nous conseillerez vous pr sortir des sentiers battus ****
Avec un gamin , c'est obligatoire ! il va se faire un super cinéma et croire """"chevaucher dans un océan de dunes""" , partager le repas du touareg(*) """" mais ce n'est pas hors des sentiers battus, c'est un produit 100 % touristique.
(*) faudra pas lui dire , mais les premiers touaregs , comme les hommes bleus, vivent à 3000 km de la !!😄😉😏
Bonjour,
Merci d'abord à tous ceux qui ont répondu. Alors oui je me doute bien que c'est purement touristique, en même temps quand c'est la 1ere fois qu'on se rend dans un pays on commence tjs par les sites les plus touristiques et si le pays nous plait on y retourne et là on se permet plus de sortir des sentiers battus. Je suis allée voir le blog de J2P, ça me conforte dans l'envie de passer une nuit dans le désert même si c'est purement touristique...je vous donnerai mes impressions au retour!
Je suis allée sur le site de l'auberge du sud mais il n'y a aucun tarif d'indiqué. Si vous avez d'autres adresses TESTEES n'hésitez pas!
Merci!
Merci d'abord à tous ceux qui ont répondu. Alors oui je me doute bien que c'est purement touristique, en même temps quand c'est la 1ere fois qu'on se rend dans un pays on commence tjs par les sites les plus touristiques et si le pays nous plait on y retourne et là on se permet plus de sortir des sentiers battus. Je suis allée voir le blog de J2P, ça me conforte dans l'envie de passer une nuit dans le désert même si c'est purement touristique...je vous donnerai mes impressions au retour!
Je suis allée sur le site de l'auberge du sud mais il n'y a aucun tarif d'indiqué. Si vous avez d'autres adresses TESTEES n'hésitez pas!
Merci!
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!