Circuit d'une vingtaine de jours sur les plateaux d'Abyssinie en Éthiopie
by Aclanne
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
nous sommes deux habituées du sac à dos et après avoir pris contact avec une agence locale (bella abyssinia) nous souhaiterions compléter un vehicule pour un circuit d'une vingtaine de jours sur les plateaux d'abyssinie + une autre semaine lieu encore non défini ... dates encore non fixées entre juillet et aout 2009. Pour les connaisseurs, merci de partager vos bons plans.
bonjour,
vous allez faire un voyage magnifique, cependant il faudra tenir compte du climat, puisqu'en effet vous serez en pleine saison des pluies, même si le nord est moins exposé aux intempéries que le sud. Nous avons fait le même voyage au mois de mai 2007, et nous avions rencontré des difficultés sur les routes complètement inondées, c'est grâce à notre chauffeur très expérimenté que nous avons pu continuer notre voyage, nous avons en revanche dû passer plus de temps sur les routes, à cause justement de l'état des routes... très bon voyage
bonjour
nous étions 2 copines pendant les congés de fin d'année à sillonner le nord de l'Ethiopie
l'agence contactée par le net nous ayant fait faux bond à l'aéroport
nous avons rapidement rencontré un chauffeur qui connaissait......
ce fut un excellent plan : pour moitié prix des agences ayant pignon sur le net nous avons eu un chauffeur guide parlant un anglais parfait qui nous a fait découvrir son pays (62 euros par jour plus l'essence sachant que l'essence n'est jamais comprise dans les prix proposés)
vraiment c'est un pays magnifique et attachant
Claire
Claire
Votre "aventure" qui s'est bien passée m'amène à deux commentaires. Le fait d'avoir une adresse mail ne signifie pas que l'on soit une agence. J'en ai recensé 110 à ce jour...L'intérêt des forums est, entre autres, que l'on peut avoir l'avis de voyageurs ayant testé. Je signale que les agences sont agréées par le ministère du tourisme éthiopien...mais il n'est pas très facile d'avoir des infos de ce côté. Vous avez eu beaucoup de chance de tomber sur un particulier honnête et compétent. La manière dont les choses se sont passées pour vous est la meilleure voie pour se faire truander. Non pas au niveau du tarif, qui est généralement alléchant mais à celui de l'état du véhicule et de la compétence du chauffeur-guide. On vous dira toujours qu'on connait bien la région où vous voulez aller...Une panne est souvent rédhibitoire dans ce cas.
En fin, il n'est pas exact de dire que le carburant n'est jamais compris dans le prix.
Donc bravo pour votre voyage et tant mieux si vous en revenez comblées mais je ne suis pas sûr que cette manière de faire produise toujours les mêmes résultats.
Voyager c'est rencontrer plus que voir.
précisions
l'agence contactée sur le net et qui nous a fait faux bond est recommandée par la plupart des utilisateurs de ce site c'est pour cela que nous leur avions fait confiance ( je ne la nommerai pas) la voiture louée sur place le fut par l'intermédiaire d'une agence il ne s'agissait pas d'un particulier j'ai toujours procédé de cette façon dans beaucoup de pays et je n'ai jamais eu d'ennuis sur place on voit le véhicule et le chauffeur ce qui n'est pas le cas quand on reserve depuis la France les 2 seules fois où j'ai loué d'avance le résultat n'a pas été probant
l'agence contactée sur le net et qui nous a fait faux bond est recommandée par la plupart des utilisateurs de ce site c'est pour cela que nous leur avions fait confiance ( je ne la nommerai pas) la voiture louée sur place le fut par l'intermédiaire d'une agence il ne s'agissait pas d'un particulier j'ai toujours procédé de cette façon dans beaucoup de pays et je n'ai jamais eu d'ennuis sur place on voit le véhicule et le chauffeur ce qui n'est pas le cas quand on reserve depuis la France les 2 seules fois où j'ai loué d'avance le résultat n'a pas été probant
Claire
Toutes les agences n'ont pas pignon sur rue, loin s'en faut. En vacances avec Claire je ne peux que confirmer ses propos. Nous avons eu la chance de croiser le chemin d'une agence honnête.... sans site web... La présence d'un site web ne constitue en rien la preuve de l'honnêteté et de la compétence de son webmaster... En ce qui concerne une panne de véhicule, elle peut survenir à tout moment et avec n'importe quel véhicule meme en bon état en apparence !!!! Dans ce pays tout particulièrement compte tenu de l'état des "routes" nul n'est à l'abri d'un problème avec une voiture meme un 4X4 !!!!
Il ne faut pas toujours voir des problèmes meme si l'on doit demeurer prudent !!!
Amicalement
Marie
Il ne faut pas toujours voir des problèmes meme si l'on doit demeurer prudent !!!
Amicalement
Marie
Marie
Vous avez tout à fait raison, avoir une adresse mail ou un site ne fait pas une agence.
En Ethiopie, ce qui fait une agence, c'est l'agrément du ministère du tourisme qui entraine quelques obligation (assurance passagers payants, 2 véhicules minimum, ...).
Par contre, une agence sans adresse mail, je ne vois pas bien comment elle travaille.
Je suis très intéressé par vos informations. Je comprends que vous ne souhaitiez pas les donner en public mais je serais très heureux si vous vouliez bien me les communiquer en message privé, aussi bien le nom et les coordonnées de l'agence avec laquelle vous avez voyagé que de celle qui vous a fait faux bond. Ce n'est pas que de la curiosité (plus ou moins malsaine) mais je suis souvent sollicité à ce sujet. Un nom de plus dans les "positifs" est bienvenu car, à l'heure actuelle, je n'en ai que 3 ou 4 que je puisse recommander. Quand à votre "lâcheur", c'est bon à savoir, surtout si, comme l'a dit Claire, il est cité sur les forums.
En ce qui concerne les pannes, je suis d'accord avec vous pour dire que personne n'en est à l'abri. La différence se fait dans la réaction de l'agence. Exemple : il y a deux ans, nous sommes tombés en panne non réparable rapidement (24 heures). L'agence a fait partir un autre véhicule dès qu'elle a été informée. Résultat bloqués 1 journée. J'ai connu des voyageurs qui dans des cas similaires ont du attendre la réparation, moralité 3 jours dans le même village.
Voyager c'est rencontrer plus que voir.
bonjour nous connaissont tres bien l ethiopie et nous voyageons tous les annees et nous connaissons un chauffeur et proprietaire des voitures un munibus claque a neuf pour 50 euro essence compris la journe ont peu etres 1 personne ou 7 personne pareills un voiture de quatre personnes pour 30 euro essence compris ils nous loues un appartement f3 meubles pour 10 euro la journe addis abeba etc.....
Pas de problème mais hors site
Je ne veux pas donner de nom en ligne
Je suis OK pour vous parler de ce voyage dans un pays vraiment très attachant
Claire
Je ne veux pas donner de nom en ligne
Je suis OK pour vous parler de ce voyage dans un pays vraiment très attachant
Claire
Claire
SALUT,
Nous sommes 2 couples et devons partir cet été pour 3 sem faire un tour en Ethiopie.
A la lecture des forums je me rend compte que les déplacements en bus seront trop long pour profiter de nos 2 sem à fond.
Je serais très interressé à avoir les coordonnées de loueurs de voiture fiables et pas chère et que pourrait même fournir un guide.
Voici mon mail privé : cecicri@free.fr (si vous préférer ne pas mettre en ligne!!!)
Merci d'avance
nous partons dans 2 semaines pr un circuit nord de l'éthiopie; nous avons contacté une agence; bon contact mais réponses très lentes. Donc au cas où... nous perdions le contact, j'aimerais avoir dès maintenant le nom de ton chauffeur guide (en message privé). Merci
gepia
bonjour,
Avons visité l'Abyssinie en novembre 2008. c'est une rude épreuve de visiter en bus
MAIS IL N Y A RIEN DE PLUS ENTHOUSIASMANT QUE D ENTRER EN CONTACT AVEC CETTE POPULATION
dommage de passer par Bella Abyssinia. Nous les avons contacté pour faire le treck du Simien (les singes Gelada). Il étaient hors de prix. Il faut savoir que l'Abyssinie peut trés bien se faire avec une voiture non 4X4 de location, type LADA, louée à Addis.
Nous avons parcouru l'Abyssinie à partir d'Addis Abeba en passant par Bahir Dar, où l'on peut trés bien rester 5 jours, si l'on veut prendre du temps. nous avons fait un treck de 3 jours dans le Simien, et nous en sommes revenus éblouis. puis, Axum et le nord. nous avons crapahuté dans les églisEs rupestres perchées sur des pitons rocheux et fait de l'escalade sans corde ni piolets hissés par des enfants de 12 ans avons adoré Lalibela et passé 4 jours de rêve. avons dormi à Kombolcha pour avoir le privilège de dormir à Bati (nous étions les seuls européens, et surtout les seuls touristes) et passé 1 journée dans le marché retour à Addis, et avant de quitter l'Ethiopie, passé 2 jours à Wenchi, au cratère : ma gni fique
dommage de ne rester que 20 jours dans ce pays magnifique. Les routes sonT des pistes dans le nord à partir de Gondard et jusqu'à Kombolcha. alors c'est long. Beaucoup de gens prennent l'avion qui n'est pas cher, mais il faut touver de la place!!!!! . à votre disposition pour d'autres renseignements plus précis;
Nous avons parcouru l'Abyssinie à partir d'Addis Abeba en passant par Bahir Dar, où l'on peut trés bien rester 5 jours, si l'on veut prendre du temps. nous avons fait un treck de 3 jours dans le Simien, et nous en sommes revenus éblouis. puis, Axum et le nord. nous avons crapahuté dans les églisEs rupestres perchées sur des pitons rocheux et fait de l'escalade sans corde ni piolets hissés par des enfants de 12 ans avons adoré Lalibela et passé 4 jours de rêve. avons dormi à Kombolcha pour avoir le privilège de dormir à Bati (nous étions les seuls européens, et surtout les seuls touristes) et passé 1 journée dans le marché retour à Addis, et avant de quitter l'Ethiopie, passé 2 jours à Wenchi, au cratère : ma gni fique
dommage de ne rester que 20 jours dans ce pays magnifique. Les routes sonT des pistes dans le nord à partir de Gondard et jusqu'à Kombolcha. alors c'est long. Beaucoup de gens prennent l'avion qui n'est pas cher, mais il faut touver de la place!!!!! . à votre disposition pour d'autres renseignements plus précis;
j'aime l'inattendu du voyage
Bonjour,
Votre récit est très intéressant et me conforte dans ma décision d'aller en Ethiopie.
Pourriez-vous me préciser ce que vous entendez par "hors de prix".
Il se trouve que je suis en contact avec Bella Abyssinia et je ne voudrais pas me faire avoir (enfin pas trop).
Merci d'avance.
Petit compte rendu de 5 jours MONTAGNES DU SIMIEN en solo
L'an dernier ( Octobre 2008) je suis allé dans les montagnes du Simien en partant de Bahir Dar ! Je suis parti avec Getachew , un ami de mon filleul amhara . Matin vers 8h00 : gare d'autobus de Bahir Dar - trouvé rapidement le minibus pour Gondar ... Trajet Bahir Dar - Gondar en minibus ( environ 3 heures sur une très belle route qui longe le lac Tana dans sa première moitié , puis dès que l'on apercoit un grand piton rocheux , s'élève dans les montagnes ) payé environ 50 birs par personne . A Gondar ( que je connaissais déjà ) on a fait une halte pour le lunch et pris le bus vers 13 h ( de la gare d'autobus ) pour Debark . C'est le bus de ligne et il est tres lent et fait de nombreux arrets mais ce fut une belle aventure . Le paysage est très beau , peu après Gondar on passe devant le village Falasha ( juifs d'éthiopie - regardez à ce propos le film Va Vis et Deviens et vous aurez les larmes aux yeux comme moi , fait à partir d'une histoire vraie sur un enfant amhara qui a émigré en Israel lors du pont aérien organisé pour sauver les juifs éthiopiens de la famine ) Ensuite la route longe une falaise où l'on peut avoir une sorte d'aperçu du paysages des Simiens ... Arrivée tardive à Debark , trop tard en tous cas pour organiser quelque chose pour le lendemain . Rendez vous est pris pour 9 heures demain matin au bureau du parc où nous déciderons comment nous irons dans les montagnes ...Le soir je trouve un conducteur de minibus pour nous faire emmener et rechercher de Sankaber mais il demande vraiment trop cher ... On a dormi au Simien lodge je crois , chambre à 2 lits au rez de chaussée , pour 50 birs donnant sur une jolie petite cour ensoleillée où il fait bon boire son buna le matin - juste à coté j'ai trouvé une boutique avec liaison internet pour envoyer des nouvelles à ma famille en France et mon filleul à Bahir Dar , mais il n'a marché que ce jour ... Au Simien lodge il y a aussi 8 maisonnettes très confortables mais là c'est entre 190 et 230 birs la nuit ; beaucoup de guides locaux viennent ici dans le but de "raccrocher" des touristes et leur organiser un trek dans les montagnes Getachew est revenu avec un jeune et nous avons longuement parlé pour organiser les 3 jours suivants ... Finallement nous avons décidé de nous rendre dès l'ouverture au siège du National Park et d'y négocier 3 jours de trek ...Nous avons opté pour le moins cher (3 mules + 1 scout + 2 muletiers ) Nous partirons de Debark dès que l'attelage sera pret ( ce sera 11 heures du matin ) Premier jour : 22 kilometres jusqu'à passe de Sankaber deuxieme jour rando aux environs de Sankaber troisième jour : retour à Debark On a payé à 2 ( environ 900 birs , entrées dans le parc comprises , scout , 3 mules , 2 muletiers tente et matériel de couchage ) soit 20 euros par jour pour Getachew et moi . Il a fallu acheter quelques provisions , du pain , 12 litres d'eau minérale , payer le bois pour le feu de camp à Sankaber et le tips pour notre scout et les 2 muletiers ... Sommes partis de Debark à 11 H , passage devant le marché et piste vers les Simiens Peu après Debark on quitte la piste sur la gauche et on ne la rejoindra que dans 2h30 environ - très belles petites vallées , villages de fermiers , passage des torrents par des gués , et bien souvent des enfants revenant de Debark où ils vont à l'école nous accompagnent ... A un petit col surplombant une vallée très verte nous nous arretons pour casser la croute ... Quelques enfants timides s'approchent de nous et partagent notre repas ...ils vont à l'école à Debark pour la demi-journée et reviennent ensuite vers leur village à 3 heures de marche chargés des provisions achetées au marché . Ils vont pieds nus , munis de leur stik ( baton ) , leurs cahiers d'école sous le bras , ils ont toujours le sourire et m'aident dans les passages des torrents . Selemon , un jeune très attachant ne me lache pas , il parle bien l'anglais comme beaucoup de scolaires éthiopiens , chaque fois que nous passons dans les champs il raffle des gousses de petits pois pour me les donner , quand on franchit un gué il veut porter mon sac à dos , quand ça grimpe fort , il me prete son stick - Nous parlons de sa famille , de ses études , il est très curieux de mon pays la France et quand je lui dis que depuis 3 ans nous avons un " fiston éthiopien" à Bahir Dar il me dit : il a de la chance de t'avoir rencontré car les " farenjis " ne veulent pas toujours parler aux "farmers" comme moi ... Une montée très raide nous ramène sur la piste , nous montons un peu sur les mules avec Getachew pour souffler car la dernière montée a été très raide . Maintenant on suit la piste pendant 2 kilomètres et on voit le superbe Simien lodge situé sur une crete de montagnes juste en face ( bon ici c 'est pension complete et à plus de 100 $ la nuit par personne ) Quand on voit ce lodge on est à peu près à mi-chemin des portes de Sankaber ... A nouveau on quitte la piste par un sentier qui une fois de plus va plonger dans une petite vallée ... C'est ici que nos chemins se séparent avec Selemon , après 3 heures 30 de marche depuis Debark , car son village est un peu plus loin dans la montagne . Il remplit mon sac à dos de gousses de petits pois , me recommande d'en manger " before each hard climb" et aussi un bout de dabo ( pain local)... Je lui donne tout ce qui "traine " dans mon sac à dos , un T-shirt respirant qui remplacera son t-shirt où il y a plus de trous que de tissus , un bonnet pour le froid , un short bleu sapeurs pompiers des petites compotes et crèmes Mont Blanc , un tube de lait concentré , quelques aspirines pour sa famille et billet de 10 euros plié que je laisse dans sa main en lui disant : dehna adrek - geta yemarh (au revoir - que Dieu te protège ). Des larmes coulent du coin de ses yeux et cette rencontre restera longtemps dans ma mémoire ...Tant que le sentier lui permet de nous voir Selemon fait de grands gestes d'au revoir de la main . Le deuxieme temps fort de la journée sera après une heure de marche dans une vallée très verte et fleurie : la rencontre avec cette première colonie de babouins geladas ...Ils sont plus de trente , des males au torse rouge flamboyant , des femelles avec leurs petiots sur le dos et on a pu les approcher à 2/3 metres ...Au bout d'une heure le scout nous dit il faut y aller sinon on arrivera de nuit ... Maintenant on suit l'escarpement et le paysage est sublime , surtout dans le crépuscule qui arrive , lumière bleutée , nuages rouges , brume , pics sombres et au fond 1500 m plus bas les vallées verdoyantes avec quelques cases qui fument dans la fraicheur de la soirée . Feu de camp , montage des tentes , longue soirée à partager notre repas , le thé et à discuter autour du feu de camp . J'ai pas compris grand chose , de temps en temps Getachew me traduisait quelques échanges , mais nous avons passé une superbe soirée dans ces montagnes du bout du monde ... La nuit a été froide emmitouflés dans nos duvets et sous la tente mais pour nos muletiers et le scout elle a du etre glaciale quand le feu s'est éteint ; ils ont dormi dehors envellopés dans leur chama verte où mauve ! Toute la journée suivante a été consacrée à se prommener au bord de l'escarpement Le scout est venu avec nous , les mules et les mulletiers sont restés se reposer à Sankaber ...Nous sommes arrivés sur un superbe point de vue dominant les montagnes ...de là on voit le Ras Dashen point culminant de l'Ethiopie . Troisième jour retour sur Debark par le meme itinéraire ( 7 heures de marche et de mule) Nuit à Debark - retour le lendemain pour Gondar en minibus puis second minibus pour Bahir Dar où nous arrivons vers 15 heures . Je vais me reposer un peu car ce soir on va feter ( toute la nuit ) le visa que nous venons d'obtenir pour mon filleul qui va quitter son pays amhahra pour une année d'études en France !
L'an dernier ( Octobre 2008) je suis allé dans les montagnes du Simien en partant de Bahir Dar ! Je suis parti avec Getachew , un ami de mon filleul amhara . Matin vers 8h00 : gare d'autobus de Bahir Dar - trouvé rapidement le minibus pour Gondar ... Trajet Bahir Dar - Gondar en minibus ( environ 3 heures sur une très belle route qui longe le lac Tana dans sa première moitié , puis dès que l'on apercoit un grand piton rocheux , s'élève dans les montagnes ) payé environ 50 birs par personne . A Gondar ( que je connaissais déjà ) on a fait une halte pour le lunch et pris le bus vers 13 h ( de la gare d'autobus ) pour Debark . C'est le bus de ligne et il est tres lent et fait de nombreux arrets mais ce fut une belle aventure . Le paysage est très beau , peu après Gondar on passe devant le village Falasha ( juifs d'éthiopie - regardez à ce propos le film Va Vis et Deviens et vous aurez les larmes aux yeux comme moi , fait à partir d'une histoire vraie sur un enfant amhara qui a émigré en Israel lors du pont aérien organisé pour sauver les juifs éthiopiens de la famine ) Ensuite la route longe une falaise où l'on peut avoir une sorte d'aperçu du paysages des Simiens ... Arrivée tardive à Debark , trop tard en tous cas pour organiser quelque chose pour le lendemain . Rendez vous est pris pour 9 heures demain matin au bureau du parc où nous déciderons comment nous irons dans les montagnes ...Le soir je trouve un conducteur de minibus pour nous faire emmener et rechercher de Sankaber mais il demande vraiment trop cher ... On a dormi au Simien lodge je crois , chambre à 2 lits au rez de chaussée , pour 50 birs donnant sur une jolie petite cour ensoleillée où il fait bon boire son buna le matin - juste à coté j'ai trouvé une boutique avec liaison internet pour envoyer des nouvelles à ma famille en France et mon filleul à Bahir Dar , mais il n'a marché que ce jour ... Au Simien lodge il y a aussi 8 maisonnettes très confortables mais là c'est entre 190 et 230 birs la nuit ; beaucoup de guides locaux viennent ici dans le but de "raccrocher" des touristes et leur organiser un trek dans les montagnes Getachew est revenu avec un jeune et nous avons longuement parlé pour organiser les 3 jours suivants ... Finallement nous avons décidé de nous rendre dès l'ouverture au siège du National Park et d'y négocier 3 jours de trek ...Nous avons opté pour le moins cher (3 mules + 1 scout + 2 muletiers ) Nous partirons de Debark dès que l'attelage sera pret ( ce sera 11 heures du matin ) Premier jour : 22 kilometres jusqu'à passe de Sankaber deuxieme jour rando aux environs de Sankaber troisième jour : retour à Debark On a payé à 2 ( environ 900 birs , entrées dans le parc comprises , scout , 3 mules , 2 muletiers tente et matériel de couchage ) soit 20 euros par jour pour Getachew et moi . Il a fallu acheter quelques provisions , du pain , 12 litres d'eau minérale , payer le bois pour le feu de camp à Sankaber et le tips pour notre scout et les 2 muletiers ... Sommes partis de Debark à 11 H , passage devant le marché et piste vers les Simiens Peu après Debark on quitte la piste sur la gauche et on ne la rejoindra que dans 2h30 environ - très belles petites vallées , villages de fermiers , passage des torrents par des gués , et bien souvent des enfants revenant de Debark où ils vont à l'école nous accompagnent ... A un petit col surplombant une vallée très verte nous nous arretons pour casser la croute ... Quelques enfants timides s'approchent de nous et partagent notre repas ...ils vont à l'école à Debark pour la demi-journée et reviennent ensuite vers leur village à 3 heures de marche chargés des provisions achetées au marché . Ils vont pieds nus , munis de leur stik ( baton ) , leurs cahiers d'école sous le bras , ils ont toujours le sourire et m'aident dans les passages des torrents . Selemon , un jeune très attachant ne me lache pas , il parle bien l'anglais comme beaucoup de scolaires éthiopiens , chaque fois que nous passons dans les champs il raffle des gousses de petits pois pour me les donner , quand on franchit un gué il veut porter mon sac à dos , quand ça grimpe fort , il me prete son stick - Nous parlons de sa famille , de ses études , il est très curieux de mon pays la France et quand je lui dis que depuis 3 ans nous avons un " fiston éthiopien" à Bahir Dar il me dit : il a de la chance de t'avoir rencontré car les " farenjis " ne veulent pas toujours parler aux "farmers" comme moi ... Une montée très raide nous ramène sur la piste , nous montons un peu sur les mules avec Getachew pour souffler car la dernière montée a été très raide . Maintenant on suit la piste pendant 2 kilomètres et on voit le superbe Simien lodge situé sur une crete de montagnes juste en face ( bon ici c 'est pension complete et à plus de 100 $ la nuit par personne ) Quand on voit ce lodge on est à peu près à mi-chemin des portes de Sankaber ... A nouveau on quitte la piste par un sentier qui une fois de plus va plonger dans une petite vallée ... C'est ici que nos chemins se séparent avec Selemon , après 3 heures 30 de marche depuis Debark , car son village est un peu plus loin dans la montagne . Il remplit mon sac à dos de gousses de petits pois , me recommande d'en manger " before each hard climb" et aussi un bout de dabo ( pain local)... Je lui donne tout ce qui "traine " dans mon sac à dos , un T-shirt respirant qui remplacera son t-shirt où il y a plus de trous que de tissus , un bonnet pour le froid , un short bleu sapeurs pompiers des petites compotes et crèmes Mont Blanc , un tube de lait concentré , quelques aspirines pour sa famille et billet de 10 euros plié que je laisse dans sa main en lui disant : dehna adrek - geta yemarh (au revoir - que Dieu te protège ). Des larmes coulent du coin de ses yeux et cette rencontre restera longtemps dans ma mémoire ...Tant que le sentier lui permet de nous voir Selemon fait de grands gestes d'au revoir de la main . Le deuxieme temps fort de la journée sera après une heure de marche dans une vallée très verte et fleurie : la rencontre avec cette première colonie de babouins geladas ...Ils sont plus de trente , des males au torse rouge flamboyant , des femelles avec leurs petiots sur le dos et on a pu les approcher à 2/3 metres ...Au bout d'une heure le scout nous dit il faut y aller sinon on arrivera de nuit ... Maintenant on suit l'escarpement et le paysage est sublime , surtout dans le crépuscule qui arrive , lumière bleutée , nuages rouges , brume , pics sombres et au fond 1500 m plus bas les vallées verdoyantes avec quelques cases qui fument dans la fraicheur de la soirée . Feu de camp , montage des tentes , longue soirée à partager notre repas , le thé et à discuter autour du feu de camp . J'ai pas compris grand chose , de temps en temps Getachew me traduisait quelques échanges , mais nous avons passé une superbe soirée dans ces montagnes du bout du monde ... La nuit a été froide emmitouflés dans nos duvets et sous la tente mais pour nos muletiers et le scout elle a du etre glaciale quand le feu s'est éteint ; ils ont dormi dehors envellopés dans leur chama verte où mauve ! Toute la journée suivante a été consacrée à se prommener au bord de l'escarpement Le scout est venu avec nous , les mules et les mulletiers sont restés se reposer à Sankaber ...Nous sommes arrivés sur un superbe point de vue dominant les montagnes ...de là on voit le Ras Dashen point culminant de l'Ethiopie . Troisième jour retour sur Debark par le meme itinéraire ( 7 heures de marche et de mule) Nuit à Debark - retour le lendemain pour Gondar en minibus puis second minibus pour Bahir Dar où nous arrivons vers 15 heures . Je vais me reposer un peu car ce soir on va feter ( toute la nuit ) le visa que nous venons d'obtenir pour mon filleul qui va quitter son pays amhahra pour une année d'études en France !
chris06
bonjour Gilfos
Bella Abyssinia nous avait demandé 800 dolllars pour 4 pour 2 jours
or, le trajet en 4X4 ne prend que 1H30 aller et la même chose au retour. arrivée à Sankaber, vous serez logés sous tente car il n'y a pas autre chose. Après, le plus intéressant c'est de marcher avec votre scout vers Dirgir got et Geech. là haut il y a un plateau où on voit paître ensemble : les geladas, les chevaux, et les moutons, c'est féérique.il y a un petit villag en huttes où l'on peut acheter un poulet, et on vous offre la cérémonie du café. Certaines personnes qui ont prévu 2 jours de plus continuent un jour de plus à pieds et rentrent ensuite à Sankaber, qui est le camp de base.
il faut savoir que dans la petite ville de Debark vous aurez à payer l'entrée du parc 70 bir /jr/personne et le scout obligatoire 70 bir jour en gros compter 270 bir par jour pour 2 personnes avec les lits dans le gite, y compris le scout (sommaire : emporter ses draps et duvets). mais surtout emporter tout ce qu'il faut pour faire la cuisine car là haut il n'y a rien, sauf du buna.(penser que le réchaud à kérozène n'est pas trés fameux , donc prendredes choses qui cuisent vite )
Parcontre, pas de problèmes pour louer une mule et son patron : 70 bir par jour, on en trouve à Sankaber ou sur la route pour aller à Geech.
le gros problème reste : comment rejoindre Sankaber en voiture si on ne veut pas monter à pieds
le hic c''est qu'ils se sont tous mis d'accord pour "plumer" les touristes. Une voiture 4x4 (alors qu'il n'y en a pas besoin ) cest 1600 bir. aller et retour.
mais même en louant un 4X4 (on trouve tout cela en demandant à l'employé administratif du parc, qui ains fait ses fins de mois)pour aller et venir, et même en louant la popotte (réchaud au kérozène et courses de bouffe) on n'arrive jamais à la somme demandée par Bella Abyssinia.
à vous de voir!!!!!! et bon voyage
Bella Abyssinia nous avait demandé 800 dolllars pour 4 pour 2 jours
or, le trajet en 4X4 ne prend que 1H30 aller et la même chose au retour. arrivée à Sankaber, vous serez logés sous tente car il n'y a pas autre chose. Après, le plus intéressant c'est de marcher avec votre scout vers Dirgir got et Geech. là haut il y a un plateau où on voit paître ensemble : les geladas, les chevaux, et les moutons, c'est féérique.il y a un petit villag en huttes où l'on peut acheter un poulet, et on vous offre la cérémonie du café. Certaines personnes qui ont prévu 2 jours de plus continuent un jour de plus à pieds et rentrent ensuite à Sankaber, qui est le camp de base.
il faut savoir que dans la petite ville de Debark vous aurez à payer l'entrée du parc 70 bir /jr/personne et le scout obligatoire 70 bir jour en gros compter 270 bir par jour pour 2 personnes avec les lits dans le gite, y compris le scout (sommaire : emporter ses draps et duvets). mais surtout emporter tout ce qu'il faut pour faire la cuisine car là haut il n'y a rien, sauf du buna.(penser que le réchaud à kérozène n'est pas trés fameux , donc prendredes choses qui cuisent vite )
Parcontre, pas de problèmes pour louer une mule et son patron : 70 bir par jour, on en trouve à Sankaber ou sur la route pour aller à Geech.
le gros problème reste : comment rejoindre Sankaber en voiture si on ne veut pas monter à pieds
le hic c''est qu'ils se sont tous mis d'accord pour "plumer" les touristes. Une voiture 4x4 (alors qu'il n'y en a pas besoin ) cest 1600 bir. aller et retour.
mais même en louant un 4X4 (on trouve tout cela en demandant à l'employé administratif du parc, qui ains fait ses fins de mois)pour aller et venir, et même en louant la popotte (réchaud au kérozène et courses de bouffe) on n'arrive jamais à la somme demandée par Bella Abyssinia.
à vous de voir!!!!!! et bon voyage
j'aime l'inattendu du voyage
Merci pour tous ces détails qui m'aideront surement à organiser mon voyage.
Cela dit, je ne suis pas beaucoup plus avancé pour mes négociations.
800 dollars pour 4 personnes pour 2 jours, cela recouvre quoi ?
Les propositions que j'ai reçues partaient évidemment d'Addis et y revenaient donc pas question de 2 jours.
En ce qui concerne le trek lui-même, l'agence propose simplement de me déposer et de me reprendre à Debark ou à proximité. Elle nous dit que c'est l'autorité responsable du parc qui organise et facture ce trek.
La proposition de Bella Abysinia est soit de louer simplement le véhicule avec chauffeur moyennant 100 euros par jour, soit de prendre un "tout compris" qui revient à environ 75 euros par personne et par jour, si on est 4.
Ce qu'ils vous avaient proposé était-il très différent ?
En Ethiopie si vous faites un circuit avec une agence vous payez environ 100 e par jour de location du 4x4 avec chauffeur .
Donc si vous decidez d'aller dans les Simiens vous pourrez bien sur utiliser votre 4x4 pour aller à Sankaber et meme plus loin dans le massif ...
Il faudra payer en plus les droits d'entrée ds le parc pour les passagers et la voiture et le scout armé que vous devrez embarquer
si vous comptez faire un trek de plusieurs jours vous allez payer ces jours là un 4x4 que vous n'utilisez que pour aller -venir de debark à Sankaber
Donc pour 2/3 jours dans le massif avec de petits treks c est ok
Si vous comptez trekker plusieurs jours c 'est plus interressant de ne pas avoir le vehicule loué ...
Exemple : vous faites un circuit dans le nord qui se termine à Bahir Dar - vous payerez un jour de 4x4 car le chauffeur aurra besoin d'un jour pour redescendre le 4x4 à Addis
Vous allez à Gondar en bus ; de là bien des agences ( voir celle du 4x4) peuvent vous organiser une semaine de trek tout compris
Vous redescendez à Addis en avion de Gondar ...
chris06
Il y a aussi un bus genre izuzu qui part de Debark et va jusqu'à un village ( berhan mekane ) au delà de Sankaber et bwahit pass
Mais c est pas évident de pouvoir le prendre car ils vous mettent la pression pour louer ( tres cher ) un véhicule privé !
Si c'était à refaire : je partirai 4/5 jours à pied dans ces montagnes depuis Debark en louant , mules , muletiers , scout , tentes , duvets et popote , qu' il faudrait donc payer pour les 5 jours par exemple ( environ 25 e/pers/jour ) soit 125 e/pers et je reviendrais à Debark en essayant de prendre ce bus izuzu qui circule tous les jours
Sinon un circuit de 5 jours avec transport privé de Gonder à sankaber et on vous recherche le dernier jour revient à peu pres à 3000 birs par personne ( 200 E )
Si c'était à refaire : je partirai 4/5 jours à pied dans ces montagnes depuis Debark en louant , mules , muletiers , scout , tentes , duvets et popote , qu' il faudrait donc payer pour les 5 jours par exemple ( environ 25 e/pers/jour ) soit 125 e/pers et je reviendrais à Debark en essayant de prendre ce bus izuzu qui circule tous les jours
Sinon un circuit de 5 jours avec transport privé de Gonder à sankaber et on vous recherche le dernier jour revient à peu pres à 3000 birs par personne ( 200 E )
chris06
cela me semble trés correct 75€ par jour et par personne.
en fait ils nous prenaient 800 dol pour 4 pour 2 jours, ce qui équivaut à peu ou prou 75€ jour et ils prenaient en charge tout : entrée du parc, repas et lits, sachant que ce n'est pas extraordinaire et c'est certainement un couchage sous une tente.
par contre si vous êtes pressés, cela vaut mieux louer avec Bella Abyssinia, car s'ils vous laissent à Debark vous allez être obligés de gérer tout le treck avant l'employé administratif du parc : entrées, lit, popotte et scout plus la voiture pour vous emmener. une fois que vous avez le chauffeur et le scout vous pouvez aller chercher la bouffe au marché ou épicerie. (prenez des vêtements chauds et un duvet)
l'idéal serait de garder la voiture et de monter plus haut que Sankaber au terminus de la route, et de s'arrêter en chemin pour voir les geladas et faire des incursions. cela impose d'être complètement autonomes et 'embarquer dans la voiture une tente et le matériel de camping. c'est peut-être plus cher mais cela vaut le coup. des mules, vous en trouverez toujours partout la haut.
je vous souhaite bon voyage
quand partez-vous ?
voici le nom de notre muletier qui parlait pas trop mal l'anglais AWAKAN SANKABER ETHIOPIA
l'idéal serait de garder la voiture et de monter plus haut que Sankaber au terminus de la route, et de s'arrêter en chemin pour voir les geladas et faire des incursions. cela impose d'être complètement autonomes et 'embarquer dans la voiture une tente et le matériel de camping. c'est peut-être plus cher mais cela vaut le coup. des mules, vous en trouverez toujours partout la haut.
je vous souhaite bon voyage
quand partez-vous ?
voici le nom de notre muletier qui parlait pas trop mal l'anglais AWAKAN SANKABER ETHIOPIA
j'aime l'inattendu du voyage
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- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
hi there
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!







