Bonne fête du soleil aux Nord-coréens
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YA
Le 15 avril, c'est l'anniversaire de la naissance du Respecté et Bien-aimé Président Kim Il Sung, c'est le jour de fête le plus important pour les nord-coréens, ce qu'ils appellent la Fête du Soleil.

A Shanghai, où j'ai eu la chance d'assister aux festivités de la petite et discrète communauté nord-coréenne, il y avait une sacrée ambiance! 🙂
FR Fred66 Veteran ·
j'ai lu ton recit, mais pas entièrement, trop long, j'y reviendrais. en tout cas c'est passionnant. je comprendrais si tu ne veux pas, mais j'aimerais quelques photos pour me rendre compte. merci
http://lessampaniersduvietnam.org/ il reste toujours un peu de parfum à la main qui donne des roses confucius
GA Galliffet Regular ·
Bonsoir, (ou bonjour pour toi)

J'ai une question : comment se fait-il qu'il y ait une communauté nord-coréenne à Shanghaï, puisque depuis que ce pays existe ses ressortissants n'ont pas le droit de le quitter, et encore moins de s'installer ailleurs ?
YA Yangguizi Globetrotter ·
Je vois sept catégories de nord-coréens vivant à l'Etranger: les réfugiés qui ont fui et ne retourneront jamais là-bas sauf manu militari, les coréens établis de longue date à l'Etranger, parfois depuis des générations, (surtout au Japon) et qui sont liés à la Corée du Nord (il y en a bien sûr beaucoup plus liés à la Corée du Sud), les esclaves envoyés en Russie pour rembourser la dette coréenne, les diplomates et assimilés, les nord-coréens envoyés pour des missions de trois ans à l'Etranger pour des tâches bien précises (ouverture de restaurants, travail en usine), les étudiants et professeurs, les hommes d'affaires, basés à l'Etranger pour des missions parfois courtes, parfois plus longues.

C'est surtout la cinquième catégorie que je connais, car ce sont les seuls à pouvoir réellement être en contact avec le monde extérieur. Le jour de la fête, c'était quelques dizaines d'étudiants et professeurs qui sont allés déjeuner dans un restaurant nord-coréen avec du personnel nord-coréen. D'après ce que m'a dit une nord-coréenne, il y aurait environ 200 de ses compatriotes à Shanghai. Avec 6 restaurants nord-coréens, avec en moyenne environ 10 employés nord-coréens, environ 70 étudiants et professeurs, et une communauté d'affaires de quelques dizaines de personnes (je n'en ai jamais rencontrés, mais des témoignages indirects m'ont confirmé leur existence), je pense qu'on ne doit pas être loin du compte.
GA Galliffet Regular ·
Bonjour,

La Corée du Nord autorise quelques uns de ses ressortissants à étudier à l'étranger ? C'est intéressant. Là encore c'est un léger signe d'ouverture que j'ignorais et qui me surprend un peu. Mais j'imagine que les études à l'étranger ne sont possibles qu'en Chine (et peut-être Russie ?).Dans quel domaine étudient-ils ? Quant aux restaurants nord-coréens, j'aurais du y penser : j'ai mangé (très bien) dans l'un d'entre eux à Changchun.
YA Yangguizi Globetrotter ·
Je ne crois pas que ce soit une nouveauté. J'ai croisé des guides en Corée du Nord qui avaient étudié le chinois en Chine par exemple. Et des étudiants étrangers à Pékin m'ont déjà dit avoir vu des nord-coréens sur le campus. Ces histoires datent un peu déjà.

J'ignorent en fait ce qu'ils étudient, je n'ai jamais pu parler avec un d'entre eux, même quand j'en ai eu quelques dizaines autour de moi lors de la Fête du Soleil. Comme je le dis dans mon carnet, il y a en revanche des professeurs qui enseignent les techniques de l'industrie et même l'économie (!)

J'ai aussi entendu dire par des sources concordantes qu'il y aurait des étudiants nord-coréens à Genève. Mais qu'ils auraient des faux passeports chinois...
OL Olwagner Veteran ·
Il semble que la Coree du Nord n'envoye des esclaves pas que vers la Russie. Il semble egalement que la charmante serveuse du restaurant nord-coreen de Shangai tombe dans cette categorie.-- This article was sent to you by someone who found it on SFGate. The original article can be found on SFGate.com here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/01/01/MNGKIGE6O81.DTL-- Sunday, January 1, 2006 (SF Chronicle) North Korean women work as near slaves in Czech Republic Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times

(01-01) 04:00 PDT Zelezna, Czech Republic -- The old schoolhouse stands alone at the end of a quiet country road flanked by snow-flecked wheat fields. From behind the locked door, opaque with smoked glass, comes the clatter of sewing machines and, improbably enough, the babble of young female voices speaking Korean. The elementary school closed long ago for lack of students. The entire village 20 miles west of Prague has only about 200 people. The schoolhouse is now a factory producing uniforms. Almost all the workers are North Korean, and the women initially looked delighted to see visitors. It gets lonely working out here, thousands of miles from home. They crowded around to chat. "I'm not so happy here. There is nobody who speaks my language. I'm so far from home, " volunteered a tentative young woman in a T-shirt and sweatpants who said she was from Pyongyang, the North Korean capital. But as she spoke, an older woman with stern posture and an expressionless face -- a North Korean security official -- passed by in the corridor. The young women scattered wordlessly and disappeared into another room, closing and bolting the door behind them. Hundreds of young North Korean women are working in garment and leather factories like this one, easing a labor shortage in small Czech towns. Their presence in this new member of the European Union is something of a throwback to before the revolution of 1989, when Prague, like Pyongyang, was a partner in the Communist bloc. The North Korean government keeps most of the earnings, apparently one of the few legal sources of hard currency for an isolated and impoverished regime living off counterfeiting, drug trading and weapons sales. Experts estimate 10, 000 to 15, 000 North Koreans work abroad on behalf of their government in jobs ranging from nursing to construction work. In addition to the Czech Republic, North Korea has sent workers to Russia, Libya, Bulgaria, Saudi Arabia and Angola, defectors say. Almost the entire monthly salaries of the women here, about $260, the Czech minimum wage, are deposited directly in an account controlled by the North Korean government, which gives them only a fraction of the money. To the extent that they are allowed outside, they go only in groups. Often they are accompanied by a guard from the North Korean Embassy who is referred to as their interpreter. They live under strict surveillance in dormitories with photographs of North Korea's late founder Kim Il Sung and current leader Kim Jong Il on the walls. Their only entertainment is propaganda films and newspapers sent from North Korea, and occasional exercise in the yard outside. "This is 21st century slave labor, " said Kim Tae San, a former official of the North Korean Embassy in Prague. He helped set up the factories in 1998 and served as president of one of the shoe factories until he defected to South Korea in 2002. It also was Kim's job to collect the salaries and distribute the money to workers. He said 55 percent was taken off the top as a "voluntary" contribution to the socialist revolution. The women had to buy and cook their own food. Additional sums were deducted for accommodation, transportation and extras such as flowers for the birthdays of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. The women even had to pay for the propaganda films they were forced to watch. By the time all the deductions were made, they received between $20 and $30 a month. They spent less than $10 of it on food, buying only the cheapest local macaroni. Kim says that Czechs often mistook the North Korean women for convict laborers because of the harsh conditions. "They would ask the girls, 'What terrible thing did you do to be sent here to work like this?' " In fact, the women usually come from families deemed sufficiently loyal to the regime that their daughters will not defect. With salaries at state-owned companies in North Korea as low as $1 per month, the chance to work abroad for a three-year stint is a privilege. Having shed its own communist dictatorship, the Czech Republic is sensitive to human rights. But the country has to employ about 200, 000 guest workers, largely to replace Czechs who have left to seek higher wages in Western Europe. Czech officials say the North Koreans are model workers. "They are so quiet you would hardly know they are here, " said Zdenek Belohlavek, labor division director for the district of Beroun, which encompasses Zelezna and Zebrak, a larger town where about 75 North Korean seamstresses stitch underwear. Belohlavek displayed a thick dossier of photos and vital statistics of the women, most of whom were born between 1979 and 1981. All their paperwork is in perfect order and the factories appear to fully comply with the law, he said. Belohlavek acknowledged labor investigators had communicated with the workers only through an interpreter from the North Korean Embassy. He said they were troubled by the women's apparent lack of freedom. "They have guards. I don't know why. It's not like anybody would steal them, " Belohlavek said. Another labor investigator, Jirina Novakova, who has visited the factories, also complained that the women's salaries were deposited into a single bank account in the name of one of the North Korean Embassy interpreters. "Frankly, we have some difficulty with that, " she said. "But if they do it voluntarily, there is not much we can do about it." Jiri Balaban, owner of the Zelezna factory, said it was none of his business what they did in the free time or how they spent their money. "My business is that they work, " he said. In theory, the women could escape. Although the doors are locked from the inside in Zelezna, the windows are not barred. But where would they go? Few speak any language other than Korean. Zelezna has one pay phone, a mayor's office that is open once a week for two hours and a general store so small that you have to order bread a day in advance. In Zebrak, the North Koreans go downtown to the supermarket in groups only on Fridays between 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. They live in a pleasant-looking, lemon-yellow dormitory that recently was constructed across the parking lot from their factory. Blinds are kept drawn and the doors locked. Deliverymen must leave supplies on the front stoop. The Baroque town square in Nachod, its Christmas lights, Chinese restaurant and movie theater showing "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" and "March of the Penguins" was off-limits for the 40 North Korean women who stitch leather suitcases and belts along with guest workers from Vietnam, Mongolia and Ukraine. "They can't go anywhere. You can't talk to them, " said guard Antonin Janicek. "The other women go to the pub and the cinema. Some get married here. But not the Koreans." Last year, when a Czech television crew tried to film a shoe factory in Skutec, a group of irate North Koreans broke their camera. After the incident, the factory decided it would no longer employ North Koreans because of bad publicity and human rights concerns. "They often times do not even have enough (money) for food, " Vaclav Kosner, financial director of the factory, was quoted as telling the CTK news agency. "They are sometimes truly hungry." The seamstresses were first sent abroad at the height of North Korea's famine to raise money to buy raw materials for North Korean shoes and clothing. North Korea officially was a partner in the factories through two trading companies, but diplomat Kim said this was a front to cover the government's embarrassment about having to send workers abroad. The factories are mostly Czech-owned, but the underwear factory in Zebrak is owned by an Italian company. By far the largest number of North Koreans working outside their country are in Russia, where they do mostly logging and construction in military-style camps run by the North Korean government. When the camps were first set up in the early 1970s, the workers were North Korean prisoners. But as the North Korean economy disintegrated in the late 1980s, doing hard labor in Siberia came to be seen as a reward because at least it meant getting adequate food. Kim Yong Il, who got a job doing mine construction in the 1990s because of his brother's political connections, said he and a dozen other men were kept in a house with bars on the windows and a padlock on the door. He received no money, but his family in North Korea received extra food rations. He defected in 1996 and now lives in Seoul, South Korea. He is one of about 50 North Koreans who escaped the camps in Russia and are living in the South, according to the Christian North Korean Association, a defector group in Seoul. There have been no such incidents with the seamstresses in the Czech Republic. The fact that they come from Pyongyang, home only to the most loyal North Koreans, means that their families have privileges that could be taken away in an instant if a relative were to defect. In 2002, Kim the former diplomat and his wife defected in Prague and sought asylum from South Korea. Soon afterward, their adult son and daughter were taken away. He believes they were sent to a prison camp. Kim, 53, recently asked a contact in North Korea to gather some information about relatives. "Even my wife's relatives, down to the second cousins, have disappeared, " he said. "We couldn't find a trace of them." -- Copyright 2006 SF Chronicle
YA Yangguizi Globetrotter ·
Je le pense aussi. La plupart n'en pipent mot, mais l'une d'entre elles m'a malgré tout un jour avoué qu'elle était déçue de ne rien pouvoir voir d'autre de la Chine que son restaurant et son dortoir, distants de quelques centaines de mètres. Elles m'ont en revanche toutes dit qu'elles sont volontaires. Je n'ai jamais posé la question du salaire car je ne sais pas comment l'aborder, mais au moins, elles, ont à manger.

Ce sont également toutes des filles de gens bien placés (hauts fonctionnaires, intellectuels, militaires), la crème de la crème, car elles sont directement exposées aux influences décadentes (chinois, coréens du sud, japonais et occasionnellement quelques occidentaux).
OL Olwagner Veteran ·
Ce sont également toutes des filles de gens bien placés (hauts fonctionnaires, intellectuels, militaires), la crème de la crème, car elles sont directement exposées aux influences décadentes (chinois, coréens du sud, japonais et occasionnellement quelques occidentaux).

Oui, c'est egalement ce que mon article indique: "In fact, the women usually come from families deemed sufficiently loyal to the regime that their daughters will not defect."
SK Skito Regular ·
Pardon d'intervenir "après la soupe", avec plus d'un an de retard, mais pour confirmer ce que vous avait répondu le très regretté Yangguizi, j'ai eu l'occasion il y a près de 20 ans de rencontrer à Pyongyang des étudiants nord-coréens qui revenaient de Pékin... Certains, sans doute triés sur le volet, y étudiaient, entre autre, le Chinois et en Chinois... Vous dire s'ils étaient libres de se mêler aux étudiants chinois, j'avoue ne pas le savoir, mais on peut imaginer de sérieuses restrictions, surveillance, etc... Comme c'est le cas pour ces serveuses du restaurant nord-coréen à Saigon, qui n'ont pas le droit de sortir de l'établissement... Plus récemment, une amie de Séoul ayant étudié à l'université de Yanbian, donc en Chine même si on appelle parfois cette région la Troisième Corée, y a rencontré des étudiants ( et professeurs) nord-coréens...
Skito

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