Corps, vaisselle, linge: une solution pour tout? (quelques années à vélo tandem)
by SvetaEtFred
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour les amis-voyageurs!
J'ai épluché le forum pour répondre à ma question qui me prend un peu la tête mais j'ai pas trouvé de réponse vraiment claire.
Mon mari et moi allons bientôt partir en voyage en tandem pour quelques années, d'abord en Europe et ensuite en Asie. Depuis 1 an on teste le matériel en sortie avec bivouac, on essaye de comprendre s'il y a des choses à modifier etc, le départ est fixé pour le 28 août🙂
On va éviter de dormir que dans les campings et on priorise le bivouac à la sauvage 🙂 Pour les courtes sorties de 2 à 8 jours on se débrouille avec du savon d'Alep ou savon de Marseille pour laver la vaisselle (bien que ça reste toujours un peu gras...), le corps et le linge. Mais une fois on a quitté le territoire Français on sait pas trop ce qu'on va trouver comme savon, faudra peut-être changer de tactique 😛
Du coup ma question: qu'utilisez-vous pour laver le corps, la vaisselle et le linge en voyage de longue durée? Cette question se pose car on ne pourra pas avoir 3 produits différents puisque chaque gramme compte... Existe-t-il une solution universelle qu'on peut trouver partout en Europe?
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
Bonjour
En ce qui me concerne, j'ai fait plusieurs voyages à vélo, sous la tente, en camping ou en sauvage.
Je mange froid pendant tous mes périples, donc pas de vaisselle ni de réchaud. Je m'approvisionne dans les petits commerces qui existent absolument partout. En sauvage, je j'arrête près d'un lac qui me sert de lessiveuse et de baignoire!
Je vous passe le lien de mon blog qui vous donnera des idées! Si vous avez des questions, n'hésitez pas. Jean-marie
http://europeavelo.canalblog.com/
http://europeavelo.canalblog.com/
JM
Lavage du corps vital en tandem, sinon celui à l'arrière va souffrir 😊
Désolé, je sors 😄
Désolé, je sors 😄
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on ne pourra pas avoir 3 produits différents puisque chaque gramme compte...
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Je ne comprends pas pourquoi pour une quantité égale au total, 1 seul produit serait plus léger que 3.
Si tu peux apporter des précisions...
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi pour une quantité égale au total, 1 seul produit serait plus léger que 3.
Si tu peux apporter des précisions...
Pas de deuxième vague en Europe : https://tinyurl.com/y5ytqzej
bonjour
j'utilise du savon ordinaire pour le corps, la vaisselle, la lessive, et le rasage. seule difficulte trouver un savon assez petit pour entrer dans la boite.
en cas de cuisine grasse, je passe un mouchoir en papier avant de savonner, ou a la place.
et quand j'ai l'occasion, warmshowers ou hostels, je lave la vaisselle a fond.
bon voyage Pierre
tout le monde prétend que la Terre est ronde, mais ne le croyez pas, en fait elle est plate bien sûr!
http://mandolpierre.overblog.com
C'est l'expérience qui parle? 😉
A vrai dire on n'a jamais encore été aussi crad pour que l'autre souffre et prie le vent de souffler dans l'autre sens 😉😛
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
Parce que quand tu vas au magasin par exemple pour acheter 1 produit pour la vaisselle (mettons 500g), 1 autre pour le corps (mettons 100g) et encore de la lessive pour le linge (de toute façon quantité bcp trop grosse pour un voyage à vélo), au final tu te trimballes 3 trucs qui pèsent à eux seuls presque comme notre tente, et j'ai jamais encore vu ces produits en petite quantité pour que je puisse me dire: "Allez, ça pèse rien, - je prends tout!" 🙂 Par contre si tu achètes 1 savon de 100g qui te sert pour le linge, la vaisselle et le corps - ça c'est top! 😎 donc les 3 produits ne pèseront jamais comme 1 seul.
Jusqu'à présent c'est ce qu'on a fait avec du savon d'Alep ou savon de Marseille.
J’espère que j'ai répondu à ta question 🙂
J’espère que j'ai répondu à ta question 🙂
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
Merci beaucoup, Pierre, pour le partage de ton expérience! 🙂
Nous aussi dès qu'on aura l'occasion warmshowers ou autre - lavage de TOUT à fond!
Par contre si après la cuisine grasse tu te fais du thé le matin, il n'a pas trop le goût du plat de la veille? Je veux dire, le savon ordinaire est-il assez efficace pour la vaisselle?
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
Bjr
Si vraiment vous faites du gras il faut laver a l'eau chaude et il est possible de transporter du liquide vaisselle dans un petit flacon en plastique a bouchon visse. Si vous vous limitez a des pates au gruyere l'essuyage au mouchoir suffit.
Pierre
tout le monde prétend que la Terre est ronde, mais ne le croyez pas, en fait elle est plate bien sûr!
http://mandolpierre.overblog.com
il y a depuis peu de la lessive en feuille(poudre compactée) qui est hyper économique et léger(Carrefour)à transporter
en Asie partout on vend des shampoings par portions, donc plus la peine de transporter des flacons
dans les drogueries (Müller, DM et autres)en Allemagne on vend des miniatures de toute sortes de cosmétiques(si vous passez par là?)
en général le shampoing lave aussi le corps!!
un peu de produit vaisselle lave aussi à titre exceptionnel le corps et les cheveux
en Asie partout on vend des shampoings par portions, donc plus la peine de transporter des flacons
dans les drogueries (Müller, DM et autres)en Allemagne on vend des miniatures de toute sortes de cosmétiques(si vous passez par là?)
en général le shampoing lave aussi le corps!!
un peu de produit vaisselle lave aussi à titre exceptionnel le corps et les cheveux
Parce que quand tu vas au magasin par exemple pour acheter 1 produit pour la vaisselle (mettons 500g), 1 autre pour le corps (mettons 100g) et encore de la lessive pour le linge (de toute façon quantité bcp trop grosse pour un voyage à vélo), au final tu te trimballes 3 trucs qui pèsent à eux seuls presque comme notre tente, et j'ai jamais encore vu ces produits en petite quantité pour que je puisse me dire: "Allez, ça pèse rien, - je prends tout!" 🙂 Par contre si tu achètes 1 savon de 100g qui te sert pour le linge, la vaisselle et le corps - ça c'est top! 😎 donc les 3 produits ne pèseront jamais comme 1 seul.
Jusqu'à présent c'est ce qu'on a fait avec du savon d'Alep ou savon de Marseille.
J’espère que j'ai répondu à ta question 🙂
Si le voyage n'est pas trop long, tu prends des flacons de taille réduite et tu ne prends que les quantités nécessaires.
Pour vous qui partez plusieurs années, il faudra donc soit continuer avec le savon en petites savonnettes pour tout, soit trouver des produits en petites quantités. Ça se trouve dans pas mal de pays européens, et ailleurs tu peux peut-être emporter des flacons de petites dimensions et acheter une quantité chez l'habitant.
Pour la lessive, tu peux aller dans une laverie automatique et acheter les dosettes de lessive, quitte à les utiliser ensuite hors de ladite laverie.
Pour le liquide vaisselle, le gel douche (qui se trouve plus facilement en petit flacon) peut le remplacer.
Sinon, tu as la possibilité de laver les ustensiles de cuisine au sable, voire à l'argile puis éventuellement ensuite les passer au savon (en quantité très limitée), juste pour le côté anti-bactérien. Les liquides vaisselle n'ont pas toujours existé.
J’espère que j'ai répondu à ta question 🙂
Si le voyage n'est pas trop long, tu prends des flacons de taille réduite et tu ne prends que les quantités nécessaires.
Pour vous qui partez plusieurs années, il faudra donc soit continuer avec le savon en petites savonnettes pour tout, soit trouver des produits en petites quantités. Ça se trouve dans pas mal de pays européens, et ailleurs tu peux peut-être emporter des flacons de petites dimensions et acheter une quantité chez l'habitant.
Pour la lessive, tu peux aller dans une laverie automatique et acheter les dosettes de lessive, quitte à les utiliser ensuite hors de ladite laverie.
Pour le liquide vaisselle, le gel douche (qui se trouve plus facilement en petit flacon) peut le remplacer.
Sinon, tu as la possibilité de laver les ustensiles de cuisine au sable, voire à l'argile puis éventuellement ensuite les passer au savon (en quantité très limitée), juste pour le côté anti-bactérien. Les liquides vaisselle n'ont pas toujours existé.
Pas de deuxième vague en Europe : https://tinyurl.com/y5ytqzej
Bonjour
En ce qui me concerne, j'ai fait plusieurs voyages à vélo, sous la tente, en camping ou en sauvage.
Je mange froid pendant tous mes périples, donc pas de vaisselle ni de réchaud. Je m'approvisionne dans les petits commerces qui existent absolument partout.
ça marche en Europe... mais en Amérique du Sud, par exemple, on peut ne pas croiser de villages pendant plusieurs jours (donc certainement pas de petit commerce)
ça marche en Europe... mais en Amérique du Sud, par exemple, on peut ne pas croiser de villages pendant plusieurs jours (donc certainement pas de petit commerce)
Faites que le rêve dévore votre vie afin que la vie ne dévore pas votre rêve (Antoine de Saint Exupéry)
Voyage en Amérique du Sud à vélo couché: http://verslhorizon.wordpress.com Mon voyage au Pérou: http://angeauperou.over-blog.com
Voyage en Amérique du Sud à vélo couché: http://verslhorizon.wordpress.com Mon voyage au Pérou: http://angeauperou.over-blog.com
Il faudrait peut-être regarder du côté des produits à faire soi-même... c'est souvent les même ingrédients de base qui servent pour la cosmétique, la vaisselle, l'entretien. (bicarbonate de soude, vinaigre, savon noir ou savon de marseille)
Pour le corps et les cheveux, si vous avez encore quelques mois avant de partir, vous pouvez basculer vers du "no poo" puis du "water only" (vous trouverez plein d'info sur le net). (Une bonne hygiène de vie aide évidemment (moins de toxines sortent par la peau dans ce cas)). Je suis entrain d'y passer ainsi que plusieurs amies, c'est génial! (et pour nos bébés/bambins c'est déjà water only et ils ont de magnifiques cheveux)
Pour le corps et les cheveux, si vous avez encore quelques mois avant de partir, vous pouvez basculer vers du "no poo" puis du "water only" (vous trouverez plein d'info sur le net). (Une bonne hygiène de vie aide évidemment (moins de toxines sortent par la peau dans ce cas)). Je suis entrain d'y passer ainsi que plusieurs amies, c'est génial! (et pour nos bébés/bambins c'est déjà water only et ils ont de magnifiques cheveux)
Faites que le rêve dévore votre vie afin que la vie ne dévore pas votre rêve (Antoine de Saint Exupéry)
Voyage en Amérique du Sud à vélo couché: http://verslhorizon.wordpress.com Mon voyage au Pérou: http://angeauperou.over-blog.com
Voyage en Amérique du Sud à vélo couché: http://verslhorizon.wordpress.com Mon voyage au Pérou: http://angeauperou.over-blog.com
bonjour
le flacon de produit vaisselle, 50ml environ, je le remplissais en demandant aux autres touristes, en camping car ou caravane, ou aux restos et hostels. bon j'en ai eu un quand je voyageais accompagne, elle etait plus inquiete des microbes que moi et elle aimait les sauces pour pates.
a + pierre
tout le monde prétend que la Terre est ronde, mais ne le croyez pas, en fait elle est plate bien sûr!
http://mandolpierre.overblog.com
bonjour;
J'utilise aussi le savon pour le corps et vaisselle quand je voyage de plus, tu en trouvera partout même dans les coins les plus reculés. J'évite la cuisine grasse, j'essaye de camper près d'un point d'eau et tous les 3 ou 4 jours, je m'autorise un camping pour une véritable hygiène, lessive et vaisselle. On n'est pas obligé de voyager crade, il faut juste s'adapter à un nouveau mode de fonctionnement. Je transporte 7 litres d'eau quand je voyage ce qui m'autorise une petite autonomie pour la cuisine, la toilette et l'hydratation et quand une opportunité se présente, je la saisie. Bon voyage
Bonjour,
Et bien , j'ai remarqué que le shampoing est bon aussi pour le corps , pour les vêtements , et le cas échéant pour la vaisselle .
Pour la vaisselle , évite le gras . Ne l'emploie que quand tu as de l'eau chaude , elle en enlève déjà beaucoup ...puis un rien de shampoing .
Bonne route .
Et bien , j'ai remarqué que le shampoing est bon aussi pour le corps , pour les vêtements , et le cas échéant pour la vaisselle .
Pour la vaisselle , évite le gras . Ne l'emploie que quand tu as de l'eau chaude , elle en enlève déjà beaucoup ...puis un rien de shampoing .
Bonne route .
"La vie est un voyage qui se vit au présent ou jamais ...."
Bonjour,
oui alors moi j'ai résolu le problème : je ne fais pas la vaisselle.
J'exagère...mais je la fais à l'eau avec un grattoir, et pour les boissons chaudes je fais chauffer l'eau directement dans la tasse.
J'en ai eu marre d'acheter un flacon, d'en reconditionner 1 dixième et de me débarrasser du reste, comme pour l'huile.
Pour le reste, également bout de savon ordinaire pour tout. Vous allez découvrir les savons du monde, c'est très bien, ça !
Bonne route, Joris.
Bonne route, Joris.
utiliser l'argile et le sable pour la vaisselle - très bonne idée je trouve! s'il y en a dans le coin bien sûr :)
Merci pour le conseil!
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
Bonjour No-Poo soeur! 😉
Nous aussi on n'utilise plus de shampooing depuis bientôt 1 an! Et aujourd'hui pour se laver les cheveux on n'a besoin plus que de l'eau froide!
Donc encore moins de poids et moins de soucis à gérer pendant le voyage! 😎
Par contre pour moi le passage était assez dur car j'ai démarré l'expérience avec des cheveux super longs et je les lavais au bicarbonate 1 fois par semaine! Et puis j'ai décidé de me faire couper les cheveux très court pour le voyage - ça c'était un déclic! J'ai tout de suite arrêté le bicarbonate, donc depuis mars LI-BER-TEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
Hmmm.. quel crados! :))))))
je rigole!
(Moi je me lave pas les cheveux!) 😉
Je pense qu'un simple grattoir nous sauvera pas car on aura que 2 casseroles pour cuisiner, faire du thé, se laver etc.
Faire chauffer l'eau directement dans les tasses - bonne idée, mais les nôtres ne tiendront pas le choc.
et oui, on sera heureux d'essayer tous les savons du monde!!! 🙂
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
On n'est pas obligé de voyager crade, il faut juste s'adapter à un nouveau mode de fonctionnement.
Ca c'est bien vrai!!!! Quand on campe loin d'une source d'eau on a appris à se "doucher" dans 200-300 ml d'eau. On s'est fabriqué un gant avec 1 côté en coton de bambou (côté qui lave) et un côté en polaire (côté qui sèche). Et mon dieu, qu'est-ce qu'on se sent propre après une journée de pédalage!!!!! :)
Ca c'est bien vrai!!!! Quand on campe loin d'une source d'eau on a appris à se "doucher" dans 200-300 ml d'eau. On s'est fabriqué un gant avec 1 côté en coton de bambou (côté qui lave) et un côté en polaire (côté qui sèche). Et mon dieu, qu'est-ce qu'on se sent propre après une journée de pédalage!!!!! :)
Sveta et Fred
www.next-way.fr
LE produit miracle que vous cherchez s'appelle du SAVON! 🙂 liquide, solide, nature ou à l'abricot, ça lave tout: les cheveux, la vaisselle, les slips, les mains... et ça se trouve partout dans le monde pour pas cher! 😉
Bonjour Svetaet Fred, après plusieurs voyages en tandem(Lapierre)et remorque(Bob)nous utilisons pour nos cuissards et maillots du bain douche qui sert également de shampoing et pour le corps le cas échéant pour la vaisselle, sinon un peu de sable dans la gamelle ou la poêle ça marche très bien, et pour la lessive dans les camping il y a des machines pour le linge et quand tu prends un jeton en général on te fourni la poudre donc pas de problèmes sinon vous pouvez toujours demander à un habitant du village où vous êtes pour laver votre linge, lorsque l'on voyage en tandem les gens viennent vous demander d'où vous venez , où vous allez et ils nous est arrivé plus d'une fois de se faire inviter à boire le café ou à manger et passer la nuit sur un coin de pelouse, et après plus vous voyagerez plus vous trouverez des solutions à vos problèmes cela vient tout seul au fils des jours.
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Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
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Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hi, I'm looking for a Pino tandem bike for sale in Quebec and I can't find any. Does anyone have any info, please? Thanks a bunch!
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
hey everyone,
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
A shout-out to a cycling colleague from Savoie
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php

The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php


The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
Hi everyone,
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Hi there,
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Hi there,
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Hi! I’m planning to visit the Stockholm Archipelago by bike in early April.
Do you know if the boats will be running between the different islands at that time of year? For those who’ve already been, all your tips and recommendations are welcome—accommodation, etc. Also, do you know where I can rent a bike in Stockholm? Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hello there, pedal-powered Young Boys!
Claudio (still from Faverges)
dreaming about a cycling getaway in Italy from Faverges (train all the way to Turin)
from Turin down to Venice along the Po River and back via the Padana (Alta Italia da attraversare – Northern Italy to cross)
The tricky part is getting from Chioggia to Venice.
I read it’s possible by hopping on a boat from island to island,
but it sounds a bit stressful.
Has anyone already tackled this route?
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio

Hi there,
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!