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bonjour a tous croyez résonnable de faire des raid 4x4 dans les deserts egyptiens ou libyens sans tour operateur??????????? merci par avance de vos reponses
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Désert égyptien/libyen en 4x4 sans tour operateur: sécurité?
by Evoque08
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
bonjour a tous croyez résonnable de faire des raid 4x4 dans les deserts egyptiens ou libyens sans tour operateur??????????? merci par avance de vos reponses
bonjour Philippe,
c'e'st clair que le tour opérateur n'est pas du tout nécessaire pour faire le désert libyen ...puisque son boulot tout compte fait n'est QUE celui de vous vendre un package plus ou moins préparé et aménagé qui vous envoi a l'autre bout du monde , par rapport à son bureau d'agence derrière lequel il restera !!!
ce dont vous avez besoin par contre, c'est surtout d'un chauffeur, ou tout au moins d'un guide bédouin pour vous montrer le chemin et les pistes (selon que vous y aller en utilisant les services du bedouin et de son 4X4 ou que vous descendiez sur place votre propre véhicule pour faire la traversée )
après , passer pour louer ses services par une agence ou en direct en faisant des recherches de fournisseurs locaux sur internet et les forums ... c'est à vous de voir du temps et de l'énergie que vous avez pour entamer les recherches et le montage de votre voyage seul ou non !
Attention cependant, que toutes les zones du désert libique ne sont pas accessibles en Egypte, et il est bien alléatoire d'espérer aller vous ballader tout seul sans aucun bedouin dans certaines zones du désert ( très à l'ouest ou très au sud) ..vous serez arrété et obligé de faire demi tour par les conroles d'armée bien avant ... de plus , certaines zones de passage nécessitent des autorisations à établir à l'avance et qui sont payantes pour certaines (de qq dollars à une centaine par jour et par personne pour la zone hors piste des grandes dunes de sable entre siwa et baharya ) ..plus que jamais le bedouin ou le guide local vous sera utile pour vous tenir informé de ces procédures et vous aider à les demander à temps
bonjour Philippe,
c'e'st clair que le tour opérateur n'est pas du tout nécessaire pour faire le désert libyen ...puisque son boulot tout compte fait n'est QUE celui de vous vendre un package plus ou moins préparé et aménagé qui vous envoi a l'autre bout du monde , par rapport à son bureau d'agence derrière lequel il restera !!!
ce dont vous avez besoin par contre, c'est surtout d'un chauffeur, ou tout au moins d'un guide bédouin pour vous montrer le chemin et les pistes (selon que vous y aller en utilisant les services du bedouin et de son 4X4 ou que vous descendiez sur place votre propre véhicule pour faire la traversée )
après , passer pour louer ses services par une agence ou en direct en faisant des recherches de fournisseurs locaux sur internet et les forums ... c'est à vous de voir du temps et de l'énergie que vous avez pour entamer les recherches et le montage de votre voyage seul ou non !
Attention cependant, que toutes les zones du désert libique ne sont pas accessibles en Egypte, et il est bien alléatoire d'espérer aller vous ballader tout seul sans aucun bedouin dans certaines zones du désert ( très à l'ouest ou très au sud) ..vous serez arrété et obligé de faire demi tour par les conroles d'armée bien avant ... de plus , certaines zones de passage nécessitent des autorisations à établir à l'avance et qui sont payantes pour certaines (de qq dollars à une centaine par jour et par personne pour la zone hors piste des grandes dunes de sable entre siwa et baharya ) ..plus que jamais le bedouin ou le guide local vous sera utile pour vous tenir informé de ces procédures et vous aider à les demander à temps
Katty
bonjour a tous croyez résonnable de faire des raid 4x4 dans les deserts egyptiens ou libyens sans tour operateur??????????? merci par avance de vos reponses
Katty vous a répondu sur l'essentiel mais avant de finaliser votre projet sur le papier, je vous conseille très fortement d'avoir des assurances, non pas "internationales" du type "Mondial Assist" mais des personnes résidentes sur place, et qui vous garantissent, une traversée de la Libye en toute quiétude 😛
aux dernières nouvelles, que j'ai, par des Français résidents à Tripoli, la sécurité sur toute la route côtière est plus qu'aléatoire mais toute la région de la "Cyrénaïque" et plus particulièrement du "Jebel Akhdar" est toujours très chaude ... pas moyen d'y couper, le trajet "Adjadabyia=>Salum" est incontournable Salum étant le seul poste frontière d'ouvert entre la Libye et l'Égypte
en Égypte, vous pouvez aller presque partout, sauf - dans le "Jilf Al-Kabir" où de toutes les manières, une assistance "lourde" et un guide, vous sera indispensable, sans oublier l'officier de sécurité aussi, n’escomptez pas visiter la "grotte aux nageuses" 😛 .... c'est au Soudan, de qqs km, mais au Soudan, voici 3/4 ans des petits malins, ont cru qu'en "backchissant" cela devrait le faire ... ils se sont fait "coxés" par l'armée Soudanaise, cela a été un sacré bazar ... - le Sinaï, aussi, présente actuellement des zones d'ombre ... les Salafistes essayant dans le Nord, de le sanctuariser 😛
je suis "quatre-quatreux, et depuis 2005, c'est la première année, ou j'ai du renoncer à venir avec mon "Troll" (nous sommes venus par avion) - le ferry entre Turquie et Égypte, ne me semble pas fonctionner en toute sérénité, j'essaye sur place de clarifier cette solution ... pas évident 🤪 - la Syrie, est pour l'instant, impraticable - la Libye, à mon avis, n'est guère mieux que la Syrie
nous avons fait plusieurs fois le trajet, ou par le Nord, ou par le Sud ... nous avons résidé durant 3 ans en Libye, aussi nous connaissons bien ses particularités
vous voilà informé de "nos vérités", à vous de voir ce qu'il vous convient de faire 😉
Katty vous a répondu sur l'essentiel mais avant de finaliser votre projet sur le papier, je vous conseille très fortement d'avoir des assurances, non pas "internationales" du type "Mondial Assist" mais des personnes résidentes sur place, et qui vous garantissent, une traversée de la Libye en toute quiétude 😛
aux dernières nouvelles, que j'ai, par des Français résidents à Tripoli, la sécurité sur toute la route côtière est plus qu'aléatoire mais toute la région de la "Cyrénaïque" et plus particulièrement du "Jebel Akhdar" est toujours très chaude ... pas moyen d'y couper, le trajet "Adjadabyia=>Salum" est incontournable Salum étant le seul poste frontière d'ouvert entre la Libye et l'Égypte
en Égypte, vous pouvez aller presque partout, sauf - dans le "Jilf Al-Kabir" où de toutes les manières, une assistance "lourde" et un guide, vous sera indispensable, sans oublier l'officier de sécurité aussi, n’escomptez pas visiter la "grotte aux nageuses" 😛 .... c'est au Soudan, de qqs km, mais au Soudan, voici 3/4 ans des petits malins, ont cru qu'en "backchissant" cela devrait le faire ... ils se sont fait "coxés" par l'armée Soudanaise, cela a été un sacré bazar ... - le Sinaï, aussi, présente actuellement des zones d'ombre ... les Salafistes essayant dans le Nord, de le sanctuariser 😛
je suis "quatre-quatreux, et depuis 2005, c'est la première année, ou j'ai du renoncer à venir avec mon "Troll" (nous sommes venus par avion) - le ferry entre Turquie et Égypte, ne me semble pas fonctionner en toute sérénité, j'essaye sur place de clarifier cette solution ... pas évident 🤪 - la Syrie, est pour l'instant, impraticable - la Libye, à mon avis, n'est guère mieux que la Syrie
nous avons fait plusieurs fois le trajet, ou par le Nord, ou par le Sud ... nous avons résidé durant 3 ans en Libye, aussi nous connaissons bien ses particularités
vous voilà informé de "nos vérités", à vous de voir ce qu'il vous convient de faire 😉
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Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!