Deuxième révolution en Tunisie?
by Seydina37
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Est ce avec certitude qu'une nouvelle révolution va commencer le 23 ?
Le début d'une révolution n'est jamais dit à l'avance.
C'est l'histoire qui détermine le jours du déclenchement d'une révolution.
"Un bivouac c'est un peu comme le dépucelage et la première cuite, une espèce de rite qui fais de toi un homme" (MonsieurHenri du site randonner-léger.org).
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Oui c'est sûr : à 14 heures 23 😉
" que l'homme est petit sur l'atome où il se meut..." (Chateaubriand)
Bonjour,
De quelle révolution tu parles !!! il ya quelques personnes qui veulent tirer la Tunisie en arriéré en parlant d'une révolution le 23 mais heureusement pas beaucoup, la Tunisie est maintenant stable, on veux pas donc entrer des ces types des choses qui mènent à rien,
La parti Islamique qui a le pouvoir maintenant c'est elle qui fixe la date des élection ( début juillet 2013), ils ont maintenant encore 9 mois et après on va lui dire "bye bye" une fois pour toute.
Tuniziara
De quelle révolution tu parles !!! il ya quelques personnes qui veulent tirer la Tunisie en arriéré en parlant d'une révolution le 23 mais heureusement pas beaucoup, la Tunisie est maintenant stable, on veux pas donc entrer des ces types des choses qui mènent à rien,
La parti Islamique qui a le pouvoir maintenant c'est elle qui fixe la date des élection ( début juillet 2013), ils ont maintenant encore 9 mois et après on va lui dire "bye bye" une fois pour toute.
Tuniziara
Il est vrai que nous allons manifester, le 23 octobre, pour mettre la pression sur le gouvernement provisoire, mais personne ne sait à l'avance si cela va dégénérer ou pas .
Il suffit que la milice d'Ennahdha , composée essentiellement de salafistes, ne s'y mèle pas ...
Bonjour
Je suis circonspect........
On a besoin de Travailleurs, on a formé des super diplômés...Là est l'erreur !
Par ailleurs je pense qu'il faut faire de la politique ou s'occuper de la religion....mais les deux sont inconciliables.
Par ailleurs je suis convaincu que l'immense majorité des Tunisiens et Tunisiennes sont des gens accueillants, bienveillants et tolérants.
Vive la Tunisie
Roland
Je suis circonspect........
On a besoin de Travailleurs, on a formé des super diplômés...Là est l'erreur !
Par ailleurs je pense qu'il faut faire de la politique ou s'occuper de la religion....mais les deux sont inconciliables.
Par ailleurs je suis convaincu que l'immense majorité des Tunisiens et Tunisiennes sont des gens accueillants, bienveillants et tolérants.
Vive la Tunisie
Roland
Simplicité, Amitié, tendresse... +
tu sais Leila je voudrais tellement que tu aies raison.....!!!
j'ai de la peine de voir la déliquescence actuelle
je me fais un devoir en Europe, de glorifier mon "deuxième Pays".......ça devient difficile !
Mes pensées sont près de tous et de toi en particulier
Roland
j'ai de la peine de voir la déliquescence actuelle
je me fais un devoir en Europe, de glorifier mon "deuxième Pays".......ça devient difficile !
Mes pensées sont près de tous et de toi en particulier
Roland
Simplicité, Amitié, tendresse... +
Les Tunisiens sont les uniques maîtres de leur destinée.
L'an dernier ils ont voté pour Ennhada, non par conviction islamique, mais parce que c'était le seul parti "visible" parmi la centaine de partis présentés... Il faut savoir que tous les hommes ou partis proches de près ou de loin de l'ancien régime sont interdits de représentation... Une certaine vision de la démocratie.
Des élections présidentielles devaient avoir lieu cet automne, pour des raisons diverses elles ont été repoussées de 10 mois...
Il semblerait que durant les premiers mois, les courants intégristes aient voulu faire infléchir la constitution naissante vers la Charia... Il semblerait également que le gouvernement se soit repris ces dernieres semaines.
Mais, les manifestations et discours deviennent ouvertement anti occidentaux, tout ceci étant amplifié par l'accroissement de la pauvreté et la restriction des libertés individuelles.
Les manifestations de réprobation dont vous parlez sont rares et peu suivies, et immédiatement suivie de rassemblement de religieux en bien plus grand nombre...
Le gouvernement est assez laxiste sur le sujet.
Les Tunisiens sont les seuls maîtres.
A eux de décider de l'avenir de leur pays, et de son ouverture ou non au monde occidental.
Il existe beaucoup de pays qui sont devenus radicaux.
Pourquoi pas si c'est leur choix...
On peut difficilement cumuler un Islam radical et des revenus touristiques, mais encore une fois c'est leur choix et non le notre.
En attendant de voir ce que sera la Tunisie de demain, il existe plein de pays ouverts et accueillants pour les touristes occidentaux...
Pour ma part, je suis un adepte de la non-ingérence.
Mais je suis libre de mes choix.
Ce qui me surprend c'est que certains membres de ce forum pratiquent une désinformation systématique... "Tout va bien, tout est calme en Tunisie, soyez les bienvenus" En meme temps que l'on voit des tentatives de prises d'ambassades, et des manifestations violentes dans les principales villes... Pas très honnête...
Ce qui me surprend c'est que certains membres de ce forum pratiquent une désinformation systématique... "Tout va bien, tout est calme en Tunisie, soyez les bienvenus" En meme temps que l'on voit des tentatives de prises d'ambassades, et des manifestations violentes dans les principales villes... Pas très honnête...
respect réciproque...
Bonsoir Hubert
Ton message m'a intéressé et j'en partage l'essentiel
Non à l'ingérence, sous réserve de tolérance ce qui est entrain de disparaître.
Les structures en place sont pratiquement inchangées et la corruption se développe....
Le Pays n'a humainement pas les moyens de ses ambitions. Pour moi c'est le plus grave. (Bac + 5, pour devenir balayeur......?)
bien cordialement
Amitiés
Roland
Ton message m'a intéressé et j'en partage l'essentiel
Non à l'ingérence, sous réserve de tolérance ce qui est entrain de disparaître.
Les structures en place sont pratiquement inchangées et la corruption se développe....
Le Pays n'a humainement pas les moyens de ses ambitions. Pour moi c'est le plus grave. (Bac + 5, pour devenir balayeur......?)
bien cordialement
Amitiés
Roland
Simplicité, Amitié, tendresse... +
Ce qui me surprend c'est que certains membres de ce forum pratiquent une désinformation systématique...
"Tout va bien, tout est calme en Tunisie, soyez les bienvenus"
En meme temps que l'on voit des tentatives de prises d'ambassades, et des manifestations violentes dans les principales villes...
Pas très honnête...
ce qui n'est pas très honnête c'est de commenter, de faire des pronostics quand on ne vit pas sur place et qu'on a des infos (qu'un son de cloche) via les médias occidentales. Quand on s'intéresse à un pays, la moindre des choses c'est de recouper les infos ne serait-ce que pour se faire une idée, en fait c'est ne pas être naïf, ne pas gober tout ce qui est dit et être conscient que sur un fait avéré exact la manipulation via média existe
En tant qu'expatriés : nous ne sommes pas des abrutis, nous connaissons très bien ce qui se passe, nous sommes au courant, et crois-moi nous sommes beaucoup-beaucoup plus au "parfum" que quiconque, quelque part c'est notre peau qui est en jeu.
Personne ici ne dit "tout est calme en Tunisie" : mais quand nous répondons à des post nous ciblons les zones
D'autre part il faut faire la différence entre "les éclats islamistes" et les "manifestations sociales-économiques" ç.à d. le ras le bol des Tunisiens qui monte __
je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi sur l'ingérence
ce qui n'est pas très honnête c'est de commenter, de faire des pronostics quand on ne vit pas sur place et qu'on a des infos (qu'un son de cloche) via les médias occidentales. Quand on s'intéresse à un pays, la moindre des choses c'est de recouper les infos ne serait-ce que pour se faire une idée, en fait c'est ne pas être naïf, ne pas gober tout ce qui est dit et être conscient que sur un fait avéré exact la manipulation via média existe
En tant qu'expatriés : nous ne sommes pas des abrutis, nous connaissons très bien ce qui se passe, nous sommes au courant, et crois-moi nous sommes beaucoup-beaucoup plus au "parfum" que quiconque, quelque part c'est notre peau qui est en jeu.
Personne ici ne dit "tout est calme en Tunisie" : mais quand nous répondons à des post nous ciblons les zones
D'autre part il faut faire la différence entre "les éclats islamistes" et les "manifestations sociales-économiques" ç.à d. le ras le bol des Tunisiens qui monte __
je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi sur l'ingérence
kol wahed shitana fi jibou
;-)
Bonsoir Roland,
Ces diplômés sont de vrais bras cassés, ils sont incapables de produire en rapport de leurs diplômes.
Donc, si je me permets de rectifier vos propos: On n'a pas formé des super diplomés, mais on a donné des diplômes aux gens.
Bien cordialement.
Mehdi SELLAMI
Bonsoir,
Tous les ingrédients y sont.
Il appartient au gouvernement de décider. Soit il donne une feuille de route nette et précise et il s'y tient et tout se calmera. Soit il continue dans son amateurisme et tout explosera.
Cordialement.
Mehdi SELLAMI
Bonjour,
Nous sommes dans un forum de voyage qui s'adresse à des voyageurs.
Mon post avait 2 objectifs:
- dire que la situation actuelle en Tunisie n'est pas la plus propice à un voyage serein en individuel,
- dire que les Tunisiens sont les seuls maîtres de leur destinée et du choix pour leur pays.
Il existe plein de messages sur ce site diisant que "tout va bien..." Ils émanent souvent de personnes qui ont des intérêts économiques à défendre, et ce n'est pas honnete. Je ne suis pas certain que le fait de vivre sur place fasse que l'on soit mieux informé... On lit tres bien les médias maghrébins et occidentaux sur le net, et les medias Tunisiens ne brillent pas pas leur objectivité...
Enfin que les manifs soient religieuses ou économiques ne changent pas grand chose pour un voyage en individuel serein... J'espère pouvoir retrouver vite mes mosaiques du Bardo, dans le carde d'un séjour serein...
En attendant il existe bien d'autres destinations accueillantes..
Il existe plein de messages sur ce site diisant que "tout va bien..." Ils émanent souvent de personnes qui ont des intérêts économiques à défendre, et ce n'est pas honnete. Je ne suis pas certain que le fait de vivre sur place fasse que l'on soit mieux informé... On lit tres bien les médias maghrébins et occidentaux sur le net, et les medias Tunisiens ne brillent pas pas leur objectivité...
Enfin que les manifs soient religieuses ou économiques ne changent pas grand chose pour un voyage en individuel serein... J'espère pouvoir retrouver vite mes mosaiques du Bardo, dans le carde d'un séjour serein...
En attendant il existe bien d'autres destinations accueillantes..
respect réciproque...
Cher Pluto,
Il serait intéréssant de nous dire quelle est la derniere fois que vous etes venus en tunisie et ou vous vous etes rendu...dire que l'ont peu etre aussi bien informé en vivant en dehors de la tunisie que lorsque l'on y habite est plutot stupide...nous aussi nous avons internet (et aussi libre qu'en france, si ce n'est plus ), nous lisons les quotidiens, et faisons tres bien la difference entre la situation locale REELE, et ce qu'en montre les medias télé ou presse en france ou ailleurs...Etant résident ici a sousse, je confirme que la vie y est normale, les touristes sont bel et bien revenus en masse cet été, et pouvant comparer la situation sécuritaire entre la france et la tunisie, je prefere de loin là ou je vis..je comprend que si vous passez vos vacances tunisiennes a "sidi bouzid", "kasserine" ou "djendouba", vous ayez un sentiment d'insecurité plus important qu'avant...mais aller vous en vacances en seine saint-denis a paris, ou dans les quartiers nord de marseille...avez vous été récement faire un sejour dans les banlieues de lyon..??? SVP...ne vous subsituez pas aux gens qui vivent toute l'année en tunisie pour apprecier nos conditions de vie...La majorité des tunisines rejetent les salafistes et ennadha..c'est pas leur style de vie, tout simplement...Cette revolution continue chaque jour...elle muris les esprits chaque jours...alors si ce n'est pas en octobre que ca serra visible, ca le deviendra en juin-juillet prochain...En attendant croyez moi, vivre en tunisie est bien plus agreable qu'en france...et si vous répétez a chacun de vos messages qu'il y a bcp de pays meilleurs qu'ici pour passez des vacances...allez y et laissez la tunisie tranquille, les vrais amis de la tunisie ne manquent pas.
bonjour a vous ,
je pense que la tunisie a dépasser les étapes de la révolutions quelque soit pour crée la libérté cytoyennes ou bien pour crée une vie sociale légale , la tunisie grand pays , et leur peuple trés ouvert et trés compréhenssive donc je pense qu 'il y aura pas lien pour les types qui veul détruire le charme de ce pays pour des raisons banal
:)
AIMER c'est la moitier de croire ....
Michel,
Pour vous répondre en quelques mots.... J'ai adoré le terme stupide... Qui traduit déjà votre degré de tolérance....
Mes sejours en Tunisie sont nombreux (une trentaine avec 2 par an juqu'en 2011, et qu'un seul court séjour en 2012).
Mes trajets sont en gros la ligne Tunis/Sousse/Douz et parfois Bizerte/Tabarka/frontiere algérienne
Je suis un fou des vestiges romains et grecs...peu du balnéaire.
Je connais effectivement bien Kasserine et Sidi Bouzid, beaucoup plus que Djerba.
J'avais oublié le principal, la liberté en Tunisie est bien meilleure qu'en France, tout comme Internet et la Sécurité...
C'est une évidence!
Il suffit de s'en persuader... la fameuse méthode Coué...
Je pense que vous pensez que la vidéo de M. Ghannouchi avec les Salafistes et les termes plus que complaisants employés sont une garantie de libertés pour le peuple Tunisien...
http://fr.allafrica.com/view/group/main/main/id/00019999.html
Si la majorité rejette ces idées, pourquoi avoir voter pour?
J'ai la chance de pouvoir aller assouvir mes passions ailleurs, la Turquie est tres riche sur ce point.
Merci de vous etre inquieté de mes vacances...
respect réciproque...
En fait pour résumé un peu les interventions des intervenants sur cette discussion :
les touristes réguliers qui se tiennent au courant via internet ou autres, et qui se croient avoir le don de prévoir, et les Tunisiens et les expatriés qui vivent sur le terrain et qui témoignent, qui se posent aussi beaucoup de questions quant à leur avenir, mais qui sont de loin conscients et très au courant de ce qui se passent
Il me semble qu'il y a un sacré fossé
A mon humble avis n'étant que sur un forum de voyage, et non sur un forum de politique Tunisienne ou de prévisions concernant la Tunisie il n'est pas utile de mettre des liens de journaux ou d'épiloguer sur tels faits en déduisant ceci ou celà
Ne sommes-nous pas ici sur ce forum pour simplement partager des plans (entre les touristes eux-mêmes) ou répondre tout simplement sur la sécurité ou l'insécurité éventuelles (et là il me semble que les réponses devraient venir + des participants du forum vivant au pays)
c'est vous même Pluto qui avez parlé "de non ingérence "
les touristes réguliers qui se tiennent au courant via internet ou autres, et qui se croient avoir le don de prévoir, et les Tunisiens et les expatriés qui vivent sur le terrain et qui témoignent, qui se posent aussi beaucoup de questions quant à leur avenir, mais qui sont de loin conscients et très au courant de ce qui se passent
Il me semble qu'il y a un sacré fossé
A mon humble avis n'étant que sur un forum de voyage, et non sur un forum de politique Tunisienne ou de prévisions concernant la Tunisie il n'est pas utile de mettre des liens de journaux ou d'épiloguer sur tels faits en déduisant ceci ou celà
Ne sommes-nous pas ici sur ce forum pour simplement partager des plans (entre les touristes eux-mêmes) ou répondre tout simplement sur la sécurité ou l'insécurité éventuelles (et là il me semble que les réponses devraient venir + des participants du forum vivant au pays)
c'est vous même Pluto qui avez parlé "de non ingérence "
kol wahed shitana fi jibou
;-)
bien que que NON
Tu réponds à quoi là ? Ni bonjour ni rien, juste un truc qui ne signifie rien 🤪
ericetstella
La non ingerance n'empeche nullement de donner un avis!
Principe même de la démocratie!
La non ingerence signifie que l'on laisse les Tunisiens régler eux-mêmes leurs problemes, sans intervention extérieure.
Mon avis est que votre beau pays n'est pas en voie de stabilisation et que chaque jour de nouveaux évènements peuvent inquiéter les candidats au voyage.
La technique du déni ne foctionne pas avec internet et ses multiples sources intérieures et extérieures à votre pays.
Je crois pouvoir dire que je connais bien la Tunisie, ses villes et toutes les régions.
respect réciproque...
Bonsoir Roland,
Ces diplômés sont de vrais bras cassés, ils sont incapables de produire en rapport de leurs diplômes.
Donc, si je me permets de rectifier vos propos: On n'a pas formé des super diplomés, mais on a donné des diplômes aux gens.
Bien cordialement.
Bonjour Mehdi,
Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi, car le faite d'avoir 800.000 diplomé qui cherchent du travail ne veut pas dire qu'ils sont tous compétent, je suis Marocain et je partage ton opinion.
Je souhaite bonne chance à tous nos frères Tunisiens.
Youssef.
Bonjour Mehdi,
Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi, car le faite d'avoir 800.000 diplomé qui cherchent du travail ne veut pas dire qu'ils sont tous compétent, je suis Marocain et je partage ton opinion.
Je souhaite bonne chance à tous nos frères Tunisiens.
Youssef.
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From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
Tickets for entry to Majorelle Garden are only issued online via an official site
(though there are fraudulent sites out there). On the official site, they ask for legitimate info
(name, nationality, etc.). What made me go "hmm" was the request for both an email address
AND a password (with confirmation). Is this normal?
Thanks for your replies.
Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!





