Ma femme et moi venons d'obtenir un poste pour 3 ans à Lomé et nous étudions la possibilité de "descendre" en voiture (KDJ 95) avec nos 3 enfants si les taxes diverses pour l'importation d'une voiture au Togo ne sont pas excessives.
Est-ce que la nature des routes rend envisageable ce projet à ton avis : Maroc - Mauritanie - Mali - Burkina - Togo sur 4 semaines, voir 5 ?
Mes informations ne seront valables que jusqu'à Bamako et tout dépend de ton projet.
Si tu veux passer par la route et non par les pistes, il ne doit pas y avoir de pb.
A mon avis, sans trop se presser, il faut 2 semaines pour aller de Tanger à Bamako, par la route (Tanger-Marrakech-Agadir-Dakhla-Nouadhibou-Nouakchott-Néma-Bamako). On peut faire cette route avec une voiture normale, alors avec un 4x4 ...!
Le reste de la route doit se faire sans pb non plus. Nous avons rencontré des français qui avait fait la route de Lomé à Bamako. Mais je n'ai pas plus d'information à te donner.
Les seuls pbs à prendre en compte à mon avis sont surtout relatifs aux enfants. Je ne sais pas quel âge ils ont, mais il faut faire attention à qqs trucs :
chaleur : il faisait 45°C lors de notre passage à Kiffa il y a 2 semaines, 49°C à Kayes. Nos voitures n'étaient pas climatisées, il faut boire énormément, prévoir du thé pour toute la journée, garder au frais des bouteilles enveloppées dans des torchons humides ... ou avoir la clim. conditions du voyage. Peu d'hotels et pas forcément très cleans. A conseiller : L'auberge du Phare du désert à l'entrée de Kiffa (patron sympa et chambres climatisées). Mais cela reste très couleur locale préparer les enfants à la découverte des villes africaines. La première (Nouadhibou) est assez "hard". Mais peut-être êtes-vous déjà des habitués de l'Afrique ? En même temps, c'est une expérience tellement enrichissante. Personnellement, sans trop comprendre pourquoi, je ne m'en lasse toujours pas, après des années ! Mais j'hésite encore à emmener mes enfants.
Pour les formalités, comme tjs en Afrique, tout est possible. Il suffit d'être patient ou généreux, et parfois les 2 en même temps.
Nous n'avons eu aucune difficulté en Mauritanie, ni au Mali. Nous avons effectué les formalités sur place. Mais il faut te renseigner pour les autres pays. En Guinée, par exemple, il est impossible de prendre le visa à la frontière. Il faut le prendre dans une ambassade ou un consulat.
Et puis, reste la question de la douane au Togo. Là je ne peux pas t'aider
Bon courage
Quelle chance d'aller vivre là-bas. C'était mon cas il y a qqs années (Guinée).
Frank
choc en arrivant à Nouadhibou, première ville africaine assez "hard"
Un grand merci pour ta réponse très enrichissante.
Tout va dépendre de la possibilité d'importer notre véhicule donc du montant des taxes et droits de douane.
Pour ceux que ça intéresse j'ai fait récemment (fin avril 2006) la route Tanger / Kayes et Bamako avec un convoi humanitaire (camions et voitures) :
Frontière de Mauritanie : quelques km de piste. Pas méchant mais des bifurcations dans tous les sens
Frontière / Nouadhibou : belle route
Nouadhibou / Nouakchott : belle route (2 ou 3 passages en réparation sur quelques centaines de mètres vers la mi-parcours). Repérer à pied le meilleur passage.
Nouakchott / Boutilimit (150 km) : parfait et paysages superbes
Bout. / Aleg (100 km) : goudron dégradé (nids de poule) mais on a vu pire
Aleg / Kiffa (340 km) : bien
Kiffa / Ayoun el Atrous (210 km) : 100 km parfaits mais sur les 100 derniers c'est un peu dégradé (nids de poule)
Ayoun / Nioro (210 km) : très bien, route récente
Nioro / Diema : 60 km de piste au début dont 30 avec des passages un peu difficiles (déviations dues aux travaux) puis 40 km de goudron (bientôt tout va être goudronné)
Diema / Kayes : très bien
Diema / Didjeni (170 km) : piste de savane très large assez roulante mais beaucoup de tôle. (goudronnage prévu)
Didjeni / Bamako : belle route
bonjour!je pars en août pour un petit périple presque similaire au tien (maroc mauritanie sénégal mali burkina et bénin) mais comme je n'ai pas de voiture je me contenterai des transports locaux, ce sera donc beaucoup plus long..pourrais tu me donner quelques infos sur les possibilités de logement en mauritanie(dans les autres pays j'ai quelques contacts)? et pourquoi nouhadibou est "hard"?et pense tu que ces pays sont dangereux pour une fille seule? je te remercie!
vraiment aucune idée quant à ta question. Ceci dit, je serais surpris qu'il n'y ait pas des solutions, étant donné que c'est le moyen de transport principal dans ces pays, surtout en période de crise pétrolière. Depuis Marrakech jusquu'aux principales villes du sud marocain, cela ne doit poser aucun problème. Il doit même y avoir des lignes régulières. Dans tous les cas, il y a bcp de circulation, au moins jusqu'à Laayoune.
Ensuite, la circulation se fait plus rare et on croise essentiellement :
des camions des campings cars européens qui vont jusqu'à Dakhla ou plus bas en Mauritanie, voire Sénégal des 4x4
je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir vu de taxis collectifs. Peut-être quelques bus ?
En mauritanie, beaucoup de taxis collectifs, mais nous avons quitté la route 100 kms après Nouadhibou pour suivre des pistes dans le sable, donc je ne peux pas te renseigner ensuite.
Au Mali et en Guinée, aucun pb pour le transport collectif, mais à mon avis conditions extrèmes et surtout dangereux. Mes amis africains utilisent régulièrement et se voient régulièrement mourir au détour d'un virage ... Les véhicules sont en très mauvais état, les conducteurs conduisent jusqu'à s'endormir au volant etc ...
désolé, mais comme je viens de le répondre un peu plus haut, en Mauritanie, nous avons fait du sable, donc dormi à la belle étoile (ce qui est d'ailleurs peut-être le plus beau souvenir du voyage).
Nouadhibou est un peu "hard" si c'est ton premier contact avec l'Afrique. Sinon, cela ressemble à la plupart des villes des pays pauvres de la zone (notamment cela ressemble bcp à ce que l'on peut voir en Guinée). Cependant, c'est touristique (point de passage obligé pour descendre plus bas), donc il y a plein de solutions de logement à tous les prix.
Si tu le souhaites, je peux te donner les coordonnées de qqun qui réceptionne les touristes. Sache que ce n'est absolument pas obligatoire, mais que cela peut apporter un peu de confort pour pas cher.
A Nouadhibou, il semble que l'auberge incontournable c'est celle d'Olivia dont tu trouveras les coordonnées sur le forum à plein d'endroits. J'ai un ami qui y est passé et qui a eu plein d'infos sur la suite de son voyage.
Voyager seule en Afrique ? je ne sais pas. Il ne me semble pas que ce soit plus dangereux que pour un homme. D'ailleurs je ne pense pas que ce soit dangereux de voyager en Afrique, à condition d'y être bien préparé et de suivre les conseils de base que tu trouves partout sur le forum de discussion.
Si tu ne connais pas l'Afrique, je te déconseille de t'y embraquer seule pour la première fois. Tu risquerais d'y perdre bcp de tes illusions et ce serait dommage, car c'est une expérience fantastique quand elle est bien préparée. Et puis les conditions de voyage sont vraiment difficiles (qui plus est en plein saison des pluies), alors pour les coups durs et les baisses de moral, être seule n'arrange rien !
Pas mal comme trip !! mais a tu eu le tps en 4 semaines de voir les autochtones de toutes ces régions et de tous ces pays ??? Je pars au Mali 4 semaines et j'ai deja l'impression que ça fait cours pour essayer de voir une partie du pays et les gens qui y vivent !! Qu'a tu retenu du mali et as tu des contacts a Bamako ?? Moi j'ai deja visité par deux fois le Maroc, l'Algérie et une escapade rapide en Mauritanie .... et j'adore l'Afrique !! C'est des superbes paysages ainsi que des gens super acceuillants et qui prennent le temps !
Ciao et @+...
et non, tu as raison, nous n'avons pas pu profiter assez des contacts locaux. En fait, nous avons pris notre temps en Mauritanie (plusieurs rencontres très intéressantes avec des bergers et des ouvriers qui creusaient un puits). Et en Guinée, nous étions avec des amis guinéens de longue date, c'était donc bcp plus facile de vivre avec eux, dans leur village, leur maison etc ...
Pour le Maroc et la Guinée, nous n'avons fait que traverser. Il fallait faire des choix
Bonjour,
Je rentre du Sénégal, via Nouakchott, Atar, Choum, Nouadhibou, etc. et je me permet une petite rectification : l'auberge des Ménates (Olivia) est à Nouakchott et non pas Nouadhibou. J'y ai passé 2 jours. C'est bien mais pas très facile à trouver. Mais Olivia est une jeune femme extraordinaire : c'est une mine de renseignements et de gentillesse.
Par contre, quand on est motorisé, Nouadhibou n'est pas une étape obligatoire.
J'ai fait Dakhla (jolie ville propre) Nouakchott dans la journée, et je déconseille très vivement de rouler de nuit en Mauritanie.
Cordialement
Rudy03
😎 Houaa !!! plus de 800 bornes dans le désert (sur le goudron) dans la journée !!avec passage de frontiere + rouler sans assurance auto !! ( pour faire plus vite) que c'est beau l'Afrique !!
L' auberge d'OLIVIA, c'est bien à NOUAKCHOTT !! mais le nom c'est l'auberge MENATA (pas des Ménates) ça c'est un oiseau parleur comme le perroquet !!
Pour ne pas aller à NOUADHIBOU en passant la frontiere ?? tu roule donc sans assurance auto ?? merci pour les autres usagés !!
MERCI : Si tu as encore d'autres infos de ce genre ?? garde les pour toi !! ici c'est pour les gens honnêtes !! qui roulent cool avec une bonne assurance auto !!
PS: regarde bien le nom du forum !! c'est "VOYAGE" et pas " course contre la montre sans assurance en Mauritanie "
RE PS : OLIVIA qui regarde ce forum !! doit étre dans une colére noire, de savoir que tu associes son nom à celui de ton " exploit" sportif ????
Holala la tu viens de lui faire une savonnade a la reguliere et en plus tu le rectifie tres bien on voit que même sur le forum il est rapide alors qu'il fasse attention de pas se casser les doigts
roulez!!!!!!!!!!!il ya pleins a voir salut a toi papy et j'ai vu ton blog genialllllllllet bravo encore
OUI c'est un coup de gueule que je pousse, quand je tombe sur ce genre de message !!
Par contre !! j'en ai vu un sur l'Algérie qui n'est pas mal dutout !!
Dans le genre >> surtout Mr les touristes !! ne faites pas de nos enfants, des mendiants !! en leur jettant des bonbons ou autre !! ce ne sont pas des animeaux en cages comme dans les zoo << c'est bien de le dire !! mais si le tourisme s'ouvre en Algérie comme la Tunisie et le Maroc ?? je ne leur donne pas 5 ans pour que les gosses soit aussi pourris que ceux du Maroc actuellement !!!!!! A méditer (pour ceux qui donnent ou jettent par les fenêtres des CC, sans s'arreter) !!
salut, je serais intéressé par toutes infos récentes sur la Guinée (meme si tu ne l'as que traversée)et notamment sur les pistes que tu as emprunté (état), sur les passages des frontières (formalités difficultés). Par ailleurs si tu as eu l'occasion de faire une pose au fouta, quelle impression en a tu gardé ?
J'ai moi meme vécu 5 ans au fouta mais je suis rentré depuis 5 ans. J'ai créé un site et je cherche a donner une info la meilleure possible aux internautes qui ne manquent pas de poser des questions sur ce pays si mal connu des voyageurs!
Merci d'avance de toute info et témoignage
patrick
Quand on relis le message de Rudy, on peut aussi imaginer qu'il allait récupérer des amis à Nouakchott et que son vrai voyage a commencé à partir de là, puisqu'il a passé 2 jours dans l'auberge d'Olivia ...
Quand à conclure qu'il roulait sans assurance, qu'est-ce qui permet de le penser ?
On peut désormais se procurer une assurance à la frontière par l'intermédiaire d'Arturo ou de l'un de ses collègues. Nous avons dormi à Nouadhibou, mais nous avions récupéré notre assurance en bonne et due forme à la frontière.
Alors on se calme !!!
Ceci dit, c'est vrai que Dakhla-Nouakchott dans la journée doit être une étape infernale. Mais Rudy conclue lui-même en conseillant de ne jamais rouler de nuit en Mauritanie.
J'ai fait un tour sur ton site qui est très sympa. Je regrette bcp de ne pas avoir encore fait de randonnées à pied dans le Fouta, mais cela ne saurait tarder !
J'y suis allé régulièrement quand je vivais en Guinée. Et j'y ai fait 2 séjours en 2004 et 2006. La région est toujours aussi belle, en particulier autour de Dalaba avec ce climat extraordinaire de fraicheur !
Les amis que j'y emmène reviennent toujours emballés.
En ravanche, je suis inquiet par le développement des feux d'écobuage, qui se font de plus en plus et n'importe comment. On voit des zones entières dévastées par le feu. Quand on sait qu'il n'y a aucun moyen de protection, ni canadair, ni même pompiers, ça fait peur !
Quand nous étions à Kankalabé (c'est le village où je séjourne à chaque fois, car c'est le village natal de mon ami guinéen), les gens étaient dans l'angoisse à cause d'un départ de feu à quelques kms de là. Rien ne brûle mieux qu'une case en toit de chaume ...
Cette fois-ci, nous sommes rentrés par Kourémalé. Passage de frontière long mais correct. Il faut absolument avoir les visas avant d'arriver à la frontière, ainsi qu'une assurance (carte brune valable en Guinée). Nous avions fait les visas à Bordeaux avant de partir, mais on peut les faire à Bamako, à l'ambassade. La carte brune, nous l'avions prise à Kayes, en rentrant au Mali. Soit 100 kms après la frontière, n'en déplaise à certains : il n'y a que des villages de cases entre la frontière et Kayes !
Ceci dit, il faut alerter leséventuels voyageurs sur la différence entre Mauritanie, Mali et Guinée. En Guinée, peu ou pas de touristes, donc peu ou pas de protection du toursite, contrairement au Mali notamment. Les flics ne sont plus des alliés, mais au contraire souvent un problème.
Quand nous sommes rentrés dans le poste de gendarmerie, juste après la frontière du Mali, les gendarmes étaient en train de tabasser en règle un chauffeur de taxi qui ne voulait pas payer la "taxe de passage" qui part dans la poche du capitaine. Pour la première fois, nous n'avons pas trop discuté et avons du donner les 10000 CFA qu'il réclamait !
Pour le reste, il faut retrouver patience et accepter les dicussions sans fin quand on se fait arrêter, sans raison.
Bonne nouvelle : nous n'avons rencontré aucun barrage pendant notre séjour, contrairement à certaines époques. A l'exception bien sûr du fameux km36 avant Conakry. Nous l'avons passé de nuit, ce que je déconseille FORMELLEMENT. ( De même que la conduite de nuit. Nous avons roulé 4h de nuit après une casse d'embrayage. C'est vraiment de la folie furieuse !) Heureusement que nous étions avec mon ami guinéen. L'ambiance est vraiment tendue. Des kms de camions et de taxis arrêtés sur le bord de la route, qui attendent la fin de la nuit pour passer. Ils ont peur des attaques armées dans Conakry, qui semblent assez fréquentes la nuit, dans certains quartiers comme Madina. Ne jamais rentrer dans Conakry de nuit si l'on ne sait pas où l'on va dormir.
En journée, en revanche, les choses se passent bien. Et nous n'avons rencontré aucun pb en nous baladant dans Conakry, à pied la plupart du temps. Je trouve même que la ville a plutôt bien évolué depuis mon dernier passage. Moins de tas d'ordures fumants sur le bord de la route, pas mal de transversales goudronnées qui permettent d'échapper partiellement aux bouchons interminables de l'axe principal, à condition de connaître !
Pour les pistes, nous avons fait celle qui va de Bissikrima à Tougué. Magnifique, avec passage de bac superbe. Mais dans un état épouvantable. On fait du 15 km/h Impraticable sauf en camion pendant la saison des pluies.
Puis Tougué - Kankalabé et Kankalabé - Dalaba : bonne piste en latérite, plus ou moins bien grattée, mais qui se fait avec n'importe quel véhicule.
Je suis en train de créer une association pour aider le village de Kankalabé. Avis aux amateurs ...
Bonjour,
A la lecture de ton message du 15 mai, je pense que tu fais partie des gens qui vieillissent mal (nous avons pourtant le même âge).
Essaie de bien lire et interprêter les messages du forum, et abstiens-toi de répondre à ceux qui ne te concernent pas !
Le but de mon voyage en Afrique était d'arriver le 10 mars chez des amis restaurateurs à La Somone (80 km sud de Dakar). Mes excursions devaient se faire sur le voyage retour. Je suis parti 2 mois et j'ai parcouru 12.000 km.
Je suis parti de France le 1er mars, mais j'ai passé plus de temps que prévu dans les pistes superbes de l'Atlas. Ce qui m'a valu d' "accélérer" un peu l'allure entre Bou Lanouar et Nouakchott, sans dépasser le 100 km/heure ! C'est une zone sans intérêt majeur si on évite le Banc d'Arguin, car ce n'est, effectivement, que du bon goudron pour une "étape de liaison".
Départ du spot de Dakhlar le matin de bonne heure, arrivée chez Olivia vers 21 heures.
Au sujet d'Olivia : Olivia, je sais que tu lis les messages et j'en profite pour te faire, ainsi que Colette, des gros bisous. Je ne sais pas si tes chiennes ont déjà manger les 20 kg de croquettes... A bientôt, j'espère.
Papy : veux-tu bien me faire savoir dans quel message j'ai pu écrire que je roulais en Mauritanie sans assurances ???
Olivia me l'avait faite porter à la frontière par son ami Adrami, qui venait au-devant de moi dans le no man's land !!! L'assurance était prise à la SAR. Veux-tu le numéro ?
D'après tes différents commentaires, je me demande si tu connais bien l'Afrique (mis à part le pays de ton enfance). Tu prétends qu'entre nouadhibou et Choum, il n'y a que du sable... C'est faux ! et que les dunes ne sont que des dunettes. J'ai pourtant vu quelqu'un s'ensabler dans 30 cm de sable !!!
J'en terminerais sur la partie de ton message me faisant passer pour malhonnête, laquelle ne mérite même pas de réponse.
Bonjour,
Je n'avais pas "accroché" sur ton message du 15 mai à 15h36 au travers duquel tu félicites Papy de m'avoir "passé une savonnade à la régulière"...!!!
Je te remercie de me faire savoir ce que t'as choqué dans mes propos.
Je te passe ce message en perso, car je trouve indécent certaines réflexions sur des voyages ou questions de intel ou intelle, qui encombrent inutilement ce beau forum.
Moi, je ne me cache pas derrière un pseudo; tu peux m'écrire à ma bal perso : michel.denatale@tiscali.fr
Mon adresse, tu l'as dans ma carte de visite. Quant à mes doigts cassés, laisse le karaté s'en charger.
Si tu as quelque chose à dire, je t'écoute. Nul besoin de passer par des intermédiaires, faisant ressembler certains propos à des "bruits de couloir" ou à des "discussions d'usine" !!!
Cordialement
Michel dit Rudy03
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I’ve been looking for a destination for a 2-week trip early next spring, and Cape Verde has been growing on me. (The flight isn’t too long, the temperatures are more than pleasant, and it’s an unknown country for me.)
The thing is, Cape Verde is pretty complicated when it comes to inter-island transfers, and I don’t want to spend my time in airports or on ferries—especially since those transfers aren’t exactly known for their reliability...
So, I’d like to limit internal flights to just 2, meaning the island I arrive on plus one other.
I’ve ruled out the all-inclusive islands: Sal and Boa Vista.
I’m torn between combining Santo Antão + São Vicente or Fogo + Santiago.
The goal of the trip is to see beautiful landscapes, go on day hikes (nothing multi-day), swim a little—though I prefer quiet spots—and enjoy 1 or 2 days in a city, but not much more than that!
In your opinion, which option would be the best, and why?
Hi,
Have you got any recent feedback from a trip back from São Tomé?
We're heading there in a few months.
One question among others: is swimming—well, snorkeling—risky there?
Thanks for your feedback, tips, etc.
I’m heading to Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire for a long stay from July to September 2026. Could you please recommend any apartments for rent or a real estate agency? Thanks
I’m planning a trip to Benin in July, and I saw there were a few recent discussions about this destination. Would you have any suggestions for nice places to stay in Cotonou that won’t break the bank, as well as in other cities (Porto-Novo, Ouidah, etc.)? Thanks sooo much for all your valuable tips!
Hello,
We’re two senior travelers and would like to visit Cape Verde in Feb 2027.
We don’t hike but love meeting people, culture, and nature.
Which islands would you recommend, and do you know of any local agencies?
Thanks a million!
Hello,
We’re a family of 5 (2 adults and 3 kids who’ll be 2, 7, and 10 years old) planning to visit the islands of Santiago, Fogo, and Maio this summer. We’ll have 22 full days on the ground. It’s a shame (financially, logistically, and environmentally speaking!), but we’ll be taking 4 flights: a round-trip from Santiago to Fogo and another from Santiago to Maio. We’d like to position Maio toward the end of our stay since we enjoy ending our trips with a quieter beach phase.
For now, based on flight schedules and dates, we’re thinking of doing:
23/07: Arrival in Santiago
24/07 – 30/07: Fogo (5 full days)
30/07 – 05/08: Santiago (5 full days)
05/08 – 11/08: Maio (5 full days)
11/08 – 15/08: Santiago (3 full days)
15/08: Return to France
FOGO: Of course, we want to visit Cha das Caldeiras, where we’d like to spend 3 nights. We’d love to explore the valley and are also considering hiking the smaller Pico (the taller one seems too ambitious for us with the kids). Do you have any info on that hike?
What else do you recommend doing on the other days? Where can we go for other walks? I’ve seen that it’s possible to descend from Cha das Caldeiras to Monteiros, but I’m worried it might still be too challenging. It looks amazing!! But how do we manage with our luggage? Otherwise, the north of the island intrigues me, though we’re not thrilled about São Filipe, even though we know we’ll have to spend at least one night there before returning to Santiago.
On this island, we initially thought about not renting a car, but I’m wondering if that’s a good idea for us with all the luggage. If we do rent one, is it easy to reach Cha das Caldeiras by car?
Any advice is welcome!
MAIO: Here, I think renting a car will be essential for us to get around easily. We’d like to do an excursion to observe turtle nesting. I haven’t found much info on this—where and with whom should we go? Otherwise, the plan is to do some snorkeling directly from the beach, independently, since we’ll need to take turns so one adult can stay with our 2-year-old. Any spots you’d recommend?
Which towns would you suggest staying in? All options work for us—we’re fine with settling in one place or splitting our time (e.g., 3 nights in one spot and 3 nights elsewhere).
Basically, I’m open to all tips and recommendations for this little week on Maio (short walks, places to relax, beaches, etc.)!
SANTIAGO: Nothing too original, but for Santiago, we’re considering visiting Cidade Velha, Tarrafal, and Ribeira da Prata (for the black sand beach and natural pools), as well as Serra Malagueta for a hike.
There must be so much more to do, especially with the time we have. What else would you recommend?
I’m struggling to figure out how to organize our time there since we’ll have 5 full days first, then 3 more. How would you do it?
Hello from Quebec,
I’m a French-Canadian from Montreal. I’d love to go to Senegal during the Quebec winter to shorten this long season. Two people told me it’s not worth spending a lot of money to get there from Canada because there’s not much to discover. But I’m still skeptical. I’d love to read real testimonials from travelers who’ve been there, with as much info as possible. Thanks
Hello, my wife and I are planning a trip to Cape Verde at the end of May for 20 days. We’re still unsure which islands to prioritize (they all look amazing!). Santo Antão and São Vicente seem like must-sees. Which other islands should we visit, given that we love hiking (nothing too challenging) and swimming?
Thanks
Hi everyone!
The forum has been a huge help during my moments of doubt, and since Cape Verde isn’t a destination with many discussions, I felt I had to share my trip report 🙂
First, the EASE: I could never validate it from my phone—I tried 50 times without success, and on the computer, it worked the first time.
Then, Cabo Verde Airlines: forget online check-in. I went to the airport early to get my window seat (and in the end, the plane wasn’t full—I had three seats to myself, so I could finish my night peacefully). No in-flight entertainment for those who don’t sleep on planes.
Monday 9: Flight + arrival at Antonio’s (Oia Mindelo Guesthouse). Antonio’s apartment is up on the hill, but really, it’s only a 10-minute walk to the beach and 10 minutes to the city center (depending on where in the center). He picked me up at the airport (1000$). I continued relaxing by doing... nothing on the beach. Dinner in town at Café Mindelo: a pretty place, but otherwise meh—expensive and not necessarily good (2100$ for a beer and a fish that didn’t seem freshly caught as advertised).
Tuesday 10: Antonio offered to do a tour of the island (for cheap), and we left with his other guests (a lovely English couple, 76 and 77 years old). Stops at Salamansa (I felt something special on that beach—I could’ve stayed there for an hour doing nothing), then another scenic spot, a restaurant, and Baias das Gatas (I took a quick dip, but to me, it had less charm than Salamansa). Then we crossed the island to return to São Pedro (beautiful but windy; the village looks cute). Exhausted, I went to bed early because of the ferry to Santo Antão the next day.
Wednesday 11: Antonio took me to the ferry, and we’ll see each other again since he’s hosting me at his aunt’s place during Carnival. On the ferry, I had a Booking.com reservation for what I thought was in Ribeira Grande (the town), but it was actually *in* the ribeira—specifically in Manta Velha (aluguer to Cruzinha ~600$). I thought I’d fallen into a hole, but I ended up loving it—Casa Familiar Gilda. Gilda is a divine cook (dinner for 1000$—don’t eat lunch, or there won’t be room), the village has a typical rural Santo Antão vibe, the place has great energy, and you can get around easily by aluguer.
Thursday 12: I left early by aluguer to Ribeira Grande (250$), then another aluguer to Ponta do Sol (100$)—a sleepy beauty at that hour—to do the Ponta do Sol-Cruzinha hike, finishing in Cha de Igreja. Departure at 8:22 AM from the cemetery in Ponta do Sol, passing through Fontainhas (those doing it the other way will have a fabulous climb at the end 😏), and let’s go! I loved this glimpse of rural life—past or present—the sea is stunning, and we were shaded most of the way (though it goes up and down, it’s manageable). The arrival at Cha de Mar is breathtaking, and Cruzinha is a charming little town (arrived at 12:30 PM). I’d brought my swimsuit after reading there was a beach, but I packed it back up—too many waves and big pebbles. I continued to Cha de Igreja (25 more minutes) after a short break (ask for the path that doesn’t go by the road). It’s adorable with its church square (you don’t see this layout much elsewhere). I might’ve stayed longer to enjoy the place, but a taxi driver asked if I wanted to return to Manta Velha (1000$), and like a fool, I said yes (it was 2:30 PM—I could’ve waited for the 4:30 PM aluguer for 100$, but oh well).
But since I still had energy, I decided to see if I could find a grog distillery. I ran into a French guy arriving at Gilda’s, and we ended up talking to Rodrigo, who explained everything from A to Z about how they make grog (the simple cane juice is amazingly good—but the work is clearly tough).
Friday 13: Transfer to Xoxo on Djalma’s advice 😉, where I’d booked a room at Casa Xoxo. I did the hike to Rabo Crusto... it’s tough, but I kept quiet when I saw a pregnant woman doing it with her two little ones 😄. There’s also a distillery I didn’t linger in, and I took a tea break with that wonderful landscape before heading back. I couldn’t find the path Jean-Michel had told me about (take a right at the village entrance), so I went back down to the water reservoir to turn off and take the waterfall path (anyone can point it out if needed). The bedding at Casa Xoxo was perfect, but the dinner atmosphere was less family-like.
Saturday 14: No one at Casa Xoxo could tell me when the aluguer passed, so I scarfed down my breakfast and headed down a bit. I found one (not sure if he’d planned to work, but there were three of us, so he left). Arrived in Ribeira Grande, an aluguer driver told me the coastal road to Porto Novo was closed and we had to take the Corde road—but no one was leaving, so we’d have to charter... Sometimes, you just have to say it: aluguer drivers say there’s no ride just to make you pay the private price (3500$). But this time, it was true! With another French couple, we wanted to go to Tarrafal. Our driver called the Porto Novo-Tarrafal aluguer to wait for us. The Corde road is stunning—more different landscapes (thorny forest, misty peaks...). Changed aluguers in Porto Novo and headed to Tarrafal. Another world—lunar landscape on the way. Arrived in Tarrafal and relaxed.
Sunday 15: Hike from Tarrafal to Monte Trigo, left at 8 AM, and I’m glad I did—I was in the shade until about 9:30 AM, then the sun got strong. Beautiful walk, arrived in Monte Trigo around 11:30 AM. The people weren’t particularly friendly, but oh well. Swam at the little beach in Monte Trigo (the water is *so* good). I waited for other French people who had “booked” a boat for the return. Came back with Javi (50 min—1000$ each), who lent us masks and snorkels for some snorkeling. Had grog with Ludo, Estelle’s husband, who was waiting at the bar, then filled my grog bottle at the *mercearia*. I admit, it’s delicious, but I don’t remember much of that evening 😇🤪. Except Javi put on a show saying he’d been robbed, had no money, and needed to pay the boat owner, etc. People paid again (apparently not me, since Ludo, Estelle, and I arrived at the restaurant after Javi’s drama). FYI, Javi does this often—my host had warned the couple renting the other room to watch out for him because he scams people for money. So Javi is 35 with hazel/special-colored eyes. But if you don’t repay the “service,” the day was still great.
Monday 16: Several of us were taking the late-afternoon boat, so we chartered an aluguer (7000$) to avoid the 6 AM one—trip—boat to Mindelo. Antonio picked me up at the ferry, and boom—Carnival!
I found a spot on Rua de Lisboa. My neighbor was from Santo Antão just for Carnival, spoke French, and explained that last year’s Carnival started 3 hours late because a float couldn’t fit under the power lines 😏 (like they don’t know the height by now hahaha). On Monday, it’s the teachers (nice—kind of a warm-up) and the Madingas. Once they passed my spot, I followed them along the route—I LOVED it! By midnight, they still hadn’t reached Praça Nova, and the police told them to speed up, but I loved that energy!
Tuesday 17—Mardi Gras: Beach day, then Carnival! Antonio had bought me a seated ticket just in case (300$). Ended up in front of a punch stand, where I ran into two French women I’d met in Manta Velha. Two guys from Mindelo talked to us, and we did Carnival with them. And what was bound to happen, happened: a float couldn’t pass because... it was taller than the power lines 😏😏😏. The dancers kept dancing while the crowd tried to lift the cable. Finally, a guy in a tree climbed higher and used a pole to lift it... and the parade could continue 😉. Around 12:30–1:30 AM, when the concert was supposed to start, the power went out. I went home and later learned the concert started around 3 AM.
Wednesday 18: I went home because I was taking the boat back to Santo Antão, heading to Casa Familiar Gilda. Walked the loop from Manta Velha.
Thursday 19: Left early for Ribeira da Paul to do the loop to Sandra’s House. It’s truly breathtaking! Back at Gilda’s, I chilled. I wanted to go to Sinagoga’s natural pools, but the hike had worn me out.
Friday 20: Return to Mindelo on the red company’s ferry—no comparison: way more comfortable than the blue company’s, especially for someone prone to seasickness. Beach. Exhausted, I struggled to sleep because the shop on the ground floor of my rental had a party until 3 AM (and the windows aren’t double-glazed—*hi*—but that’s common in Mindelo).
Saturday 21: Ran into Estelle and Ludo by chance (the city’s small), and we arranged to share a taxi the next day since we had the same return flight. Beach (I tried Lazaretto Beach, but nope—not great—dead fish + weird smell = bad signs). So Laginhia was fine, and in the evening, a restaurant with singers, then Caravelle (the ground-floor shop didn’t bother me since I got home when they were saying goodbye 😏). Too bad—I dance salsa, bachata, kompa, zouk, but not kizomba hahaha, but it was still fun.
Sunday 22: Took a taxi with Ludo and Estelle (1200$). Arrived *ages* before takeoff (no exchange office—get escudos in town if you have any left). Boom—CDG, boom—RER... home.
There you go—a super long trip report. Not sure if it’ll help, but the digital detox was amazing. These two islands are very different but so beautiful. I only got a glimpse, but they’re worth the trip. I was lucky to see Carnival (what joy in that city!) and happy the Cambodia ticket (my first idea) was way too expensive 😉
Hi,
Without booking in advance through an agency, is it possible/easy to organize luggage transfer from one night to the next between accommodations in Santo Antão?
Thanks.
Easily accessible from Sal or São Vicente, São Nicolau is the forgotten island of the Barlavento group. With two large villages, volcanoes, jagged peaks, lush valleys, and vast rocky expanses, it has nothing to envy its big sister Santo Antão. It’s slipped under travelers’ radar a bit (in January, there were probably fewer than a hundred European tourists on the whole island), and that’s just fine! Accommodations aren’t overrun by groups like in Santo Antão, and connecting with locals is even easier. But don’t come to São Nicolau for wild nightlife—it’s incredibly peaceful here, and on Sundays, it’s total silence!
A little favorite of mine: Pensão Jardim in Ribeira Brava, the capital; Residencial Palice in Queimadas; and especially Pousada d’Anna in Estância de Brás, where the raging sea crashes against the black lava spurs.
Weather-wise, it was chilly this year but perfect for hiking. If you’re up high (like Monte Gordo), dress warmly or wait for spring! Fog gusts can ground you completely. Trails are generally less marked than in Santo Antão; if you’re wary of apps, you can find a 1:50,000 map at the small travel agency in Tarrafal.
Those who enjoy sharing experiences with other travelers over a Strela or two in the evening might feel a bit frustrated on São Nicolau, but the island’s beauty, the resilience of its farmers in extreme conditions, and the kindness of its people make it a fantastic stop for any visitor to Cape Verde!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip to Senegal in early July 2026 for a week with my teenage daughter.
We’ll be staying in a bungalow at Club Les Filaos.
I’d love to hear your advice, especially about visits and excursions. The hotel offers them directly, but I’m wondering if it’s better to go with their organized tours or hire local guides you’d recommend.
What do you think are the pros and cons of each option?
I’d also appreciate tips on currency exchange—where’s the best place to do it to avoid any nasty surprises?
Finally, if anyone’s stayed at this hotel recently, I’d love to hear your thoughts! I’ve read both glowing and terrible reviews, so I’d really value your firsthand experiences.
Which taxi app do you recommend for Senegal? Are there shared taxis from Dakar Airport to La Somone? If not, do you have an idea of the price for a taxi?
Hi everyone,
After a year where I’ve worked way too much and with a house under renovation, it’s become essential to take a breather. My contract ends on 01/30, and I’ll try to find a new client for early March, so overall, let’s go somewhere in February!
I thought Réunion with the full trek around the Mafate cirque for reconnecting with Nature would be perfect, but since it’s cyclone season, it wasn’t such a great idea. Then came the idea that Southeast Asia could fulfill the peace-and-beach vibe, especially Cambodia with its cultural past, but the flight ticket price and a chat with a friend made me change my mind—and boom, Cape Verde popped up, with Santo Antão for hiking and São Vicente for culture and the beach.
So I bought a ticket a week ago, and oh, what a coincidence—it’s during Carnival!
Except now, I don’t know if it’s reality or just exhaustion talking, but I feel like I’m making a mess of things.
I’ve traveled a lot without even booking the first night, but this time, I pre-booked 2 nights in Mindelo (though one of them ended up canceling itself).
But the main issue is that I arrive on Monday, 02/09 at 6 PM and leave on Sunday, 02/22 at 11 AM, and there’s a little hiccup in the logical organization—actually, several hiccups—since I don’t really have any organization right now, and that’s where I need help
Because Carnival is in full swing from 02/15 to 02/17, right in the middle of my trip, so the logic of my visit to Santo Antão isn’t clicking for me. Plus, I just checked, and there’s zero accommodation available in Mindelo from 02/15 to 02/18 😕
So I don’t know: should I skip Carnival, should I forget about planning and just wing it once I’m there, should I stay on São Vicente after Carnival (because I read Montaganrd’s trip report, and he made São Vicente sound like a rock !), or should I keep in mind the option of heading to Santiago afterward and buying a return flight to Paris from Praia?
I need help 🏴☠️
Hi everyone, thanks for your advice! I’m starting a new thread because it seems my first one about Senegal was deleted—or maybe it’s just my computer acting up again 😉. Anyway, I’ve decided to go to Benin instead. I’ll be there from January 5th to February 2nd—why count the days when you love traveling😄? I’d love all your tips on accommodations, restaurants, and itineraries. I’m basically starting from scratch to plan my trip.
Hi there,
We’re heading to Senegal for 4 weeks in February 2025.
We’ve booked a 7-day cruise on the Bou el Mogdad departing from Saint-Louis.
That’s all we’ve planned so far—we’re also thinking of exploring Casamance after the cruise.
Any ideas for things to do while traveling between Dakar and Saint-Louis? We’ll arrive in Dakar 5 days before the cruise sets off.
Thanks so much for your tips!
Edith
I’d planned to go to Benin in 2026, but given the recent events and upcoming elections, I’m thinking I’ll wait to see what happens after the elections.
Has anyone traveled to Benin recently or is planning to go soon?
I’m trying to find out the dates for the best parades at the Mindelo Carnival in 2026, but I’m having trouble figuring it out. When I search for "Mindelo Carnival 2026," I get different dates and no clear schedule.
I’ve found the parade on Tuesday, February 17, 2026, and the one on Sunday, February 22, with the grotesque makeup, which seem the most interesting. On the other hand, some say the São Nicolau Carnival is more authentic than Mindelo’s.
If you’ve experienced this firsthand—not just theoretically but actually been there—I’d love to hear your practical tips.
Hi,
We’re heading to Cape Verde in January. We’re scheduled to arrive in Praia on a Saturday around 11 AM.
I read somewhere that the exchange rate for Euros to Escudos is the same everywhere—110 escudos for 1 euro. Can anyone confirm this? If that’s the case, I assume there’s a currency exchange desk at the airport, and the rate isn’t too bad? So, it’s better to exchange at the airport, right? What do you think? I don’t want to use ATMs.
Otherwise, are banks in town open on Saturdays? I read they close by 3 PM?
Hi there, I’m planning a trip to Santo Antão with some hiking (for me) but not for my partner. I’d love some help figuring out if my plan is doable in terms of time and transportation:
- Day 1 – Arrival by boat from Mindelo, then aluguer to Cova (and overnight nearby)
- Day 2 – Hike to Paul / aluguer for my partner
- Day 3 – Aluguer to Ponta do Sol
- Days 4 & 5 – Ponta do Sol
- Day 6 – Hike to Cruzinha / aluguer for my partner (overnight in Cruzinha)
- Day 7 – Aluguer (or taxi) to Xoxo (overnight in Xoxo)
- Day 8 – Aluguer to Porto Novo + boat to Mindelo
Does this plan make sense with the local transport options?
For accommodations, I’d love any suggestions you might have.
Thanks so much for your help!
We’ve booked our tickets for July—there’ll be 4 of us, maybe 6 (all in our sixties). We’d like to visit 4 islands:
Arrival in Praia on July 8th
Return from São Vicente on July 29th
Between those dates, I’m not sure how to split our time across each island. We’ll definitely spend at least a week on Santo Antão. We’re planning to visit Santiago, Fogo, São Vicente, and Santo Antão.
We’re looking for easy hikes, diving, sightseeing, and a little beach time (but not too much).
How do you think we should divide the 3 weeks among the islands? Is 3 days in Fogo enough?
Are guides essential, and can we easily find them on the spot?
Should we rent a car, given we won’t just be hiking?
Thanks in advance for your advice, tips, warnings, and anything else you can share… and I’ve still got plenty more questions!
Valéry
I arrive in Fogo at 11 a.m. (if the ferry is on time) from the ferry departing Praia. From what I understand, the collectivos to Cha das Caldeiras leave late morning? Do you think I can leave the same day?
My question is: should I spend a night in São Filipe?
I don’t want to take a taxi—it’s too expensive.
Hello,
We’re a couple in our sixties and have finally decided to spend 15 days in Cape Verde from March 1 to 15, 2025, focusing exclusively on the four Leeward Islands.
We’ve planned to take the boat between these four islands and adjust our stays based on the ferry schedules. If there are any difficulties or need to adjust the route, we might take a flight instead.
Here’s our planned itinerary with the boats:
Day 1: Flight from France to Santiago Island
Day 2: Boat from Santiago Island to Brava Island
Day 3: Brava Island
Day 4: Brava Island
Day 5: Boat from Brava Island to Fogo Island
Day 6: Fogo Island
Day 7: Fogo Island
Day 8: Fogo Island
Day 9: Boat from Fogo Island to Santiago Island
Day 10: Santiago Island
Day 11: Boat from Santiago Island to Maio Island
Day 12: Maio Island
Day 13: Boat from Maio Island to Santiago Island
Day 14: Santiago Island
Day 15: Flight from Santiago Island to France.
Based on your experiences and knowledge, could you share:
- Your favorite places to visit and hikes
- Accommodations that charmed you
- Restaurants you enjoyed
Thanks in advance to all travelers and locals from these islands who’d like to share their favorite spots! !
Hello,
We’ve just returned (2 senior couples) from 18 days in Cape Verde (21/01 to 7/02) that we really enjoyed. The temperature was great—20° to 27°—admittedly a bit windy at times, but the friendliness of the Cape Verdeans made up for it.
Paris Orly, direct flight with Transavia (cheap if you book in advance). We landed in São Vicente, with a 12 € city transfer. We had a fantastic 2-bedroom apartment in downtown Mindelo—Av. Fernando Ferreira Fortes, "Casa So Morabeza"—for 58 € per night. The owner lives in France and communicates instantly via WhatsApp.
We spent 2 days exploring the (beautiful) city of Mindelo and its port activity, plus a private taxi tour of the island (6000 CVE for the day).
Then we took the Armas ferry (recommended company—1500 CVE) to Santo Antão.
From there, a collectivo (450 CVE per person) took us to Ribeira Grande, a central base for hikes.
We stayed in a brand-new, modern, and well-equipped 2-bedroom apartment—*Apartamentos Modernos*—for 6770 CVE per night, staying 6 nights. I highly recommend it for its location in town and proximity to *aluguers* and *collectivos* for hiking.
The hikes were stunning:
- The coastal trail from Fontainhas to Cruzinha (taxi for 1500 CVE)
- The route from Corda to Coculi (taxi for 2000 CVE + 100 CVE per person for the return)
- The trail from Cova to Cidade de Pombas (taxi for 2000 CVE + 100 CVE per person for the return)
- The hike from Miradouro to Ribeira Grande (taxi for 2000 CVE)
- The coastal road from Ribeira Grande to Ponta do Sol (visit and lunch at *Mini Familiar* in the city center—excellent and affordable) for the round trip.
Ribeira Grande has plenty of restaurants, but avoid *5 de Julho*—it’s loud and slow.
We loved: *Bellcanto*, *Cantinho da Amizade*, and *Boca-Fina Churrasqueria*.
Meals with drinks cost around 800–1000 CVE.
Back to São Vicente by ferry (1500 CVE), then an airport transfer (12 €) and a flight (99 €) to Santiago’s Praia. The airport-to-city transfer was 15 €.
We stayed at *Kelly’s* in Plato, Praia, which was disappointing—not ideal for two couples—but well-located.
One day was spent visiting the massive *Suspicia* market, then a collectivo to Cidade Velha (2 x 200 CVE round trip per person). We hiked up to the fort, explored *Rua Banana*, and had lunch at *Praça do Mar* by the beach.
We rented a car for 6 days (29000 CVE) from *Slimpycar* in Praia.
On Saturday, we visited the huge *Assomada* market—don’t miss it!—then hiked to *Boa Entrada* and *Poilon*, the largest and most impressive tree we’ve ever seen.
We stayed for 2 nights (138 €) in a beautiful valley in *Picos*—a spacious, lovely house with 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and a large living area, surrounded by nature and animals.
Lina, the charming neighbor, prepared dinner (8.50 €) and breakfast (4.50 €) for us.
Next, we headed to *Tarrafal*, stopping to visit the concentration camp (500 CVE)—a must-see—before arriving.
We spent 3 nights (184 €) in a fantastic house called *"Maison Familiale"*—huge, with 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 2 kitchens, 5 toilets, and a large terrace with sea views. It was absolutely stunning and very close to the beach and numerous restaurants.
We did a beautiful 3.8 km hike to the *Farol da Ponta Preta* lighthouse.
Tarrafal’s beach is lively and pleasant, with bars, restaurants, and even acrobats!
We also explored *Ribeira da Prata* to see the *Piscina Natural de Cuba* (not easy to find).
We loved discovering isolated villages like *Ponta Furna*, *Ponta Labrão*, and *Fazenda*.
For food, I recommend *Mira Mar* at *Mama’s*.
On the way back to Praia, we took the east coast route via *Calheta de São Miguel*, *Pedra Badejo*, and *Praia Baixo*—nothing extraordinary, just a rugged, wild coastline with beaches that seemed a bit tricky to access.
Our last evening in Praia was nice. The seaside esplanade was lively, and many Cape Verdeans were swimming at *Prainha* beach, which seemed very accessible and safe.
If you’d like more info—addresses, etc.—feel free to message me privately. I’ll respond.
Jacquesler.
I’d like to share our travel plans for March 2026 to get your valuable feedback...
- Arrival in Sao Vicente on Tuesday, March 3rd at 9:20 AM from Lisbon (EasyJet)
- Direct departure the same day or the next day for Santo Antao – 3 or 4 nights on Santo Antao (depending on whether we spend the first night in Mindelo or on Santo Antao)
- Return to Sao Vicente for 3 nights
- Flight to Boa Vista via Sal (Cabo Verde Airlines) on Tuesday, March 10th – 5 nights on Boa Vista
- Return flight on Sunday, March 15th (Boa Vista to Porto: EasyJet)
Given the various bits of info I’ve seen about the unreliability of inter-island transport, is this itinerary realistically doable without stress? Would it be better to just take a simple flight from Sao Vicente to Sal and end the trip there (from where it’s also possible to return to Europe or France)? I’m still more drawn to Boa Vista... but I’m worried that two flights in a row might be complicated, unless it’s the same plane that just makes a stopover and continues...
Also, I’m calling on the expertise of hikers for Santo Antao:
I’m not a big sports enthusiast—I enjoy walking when I travel, but not distances much longer than 10 km, and nothing too difficult (especially steep climbs where I quickly run out of breath)...
For the hike from Ponta do Sol to Cruzinha: can you confirm that the hike is easier in the direction from Ponta do Sol to Cruzinha (less climbing)? I’ve found info that this hike is 14 km and takes about 5 hours. Do you think it’s possible to shorten it by taking a taxi or *aluguer* to Fontainhas? If so, how long would the hike be then, and how much time would it take?
For the hike from Xoxo (starting at the Bela Vista kiosk on the Cova road), I’ve found info that it’s 12 km and takes 5 hours of walking. I think it goes to Ribeira Grande. Apparently, you can shorten the hike and find *aluguers* on the road near Café Melicia... In that case, do you know how long the hike would be? Is this the hike that lets you walk along *levadas* (like in Madeira), cross banana plantations, and pass by the Cachoeira de Vinha waterfall?
Sorry for all these questions, but I can’t find a guide with hikes and difficulty levels... I think two hikes (one along the coast and one inland with terraces, *levadas*, and banana plantations) would suit our level.
On the third free day, do you think we could rent a 4x4 to explore: take the two scenic routes on the east side and maybe venture a little off the beaten path (without taking risks, of course)... Otherwise, hire a guide for the day: do you have any recommendations and an idea of the price?
One last thing: in March, is it worth (or pointless) to choose accommodation with a pool (especially on Santo Antao)? Is the pool water warm enough? What about the ocean temperature?
Hi there,
We're on a backpacking trip, traveling by public transport/motorcycle taxis. We're in Noubou, south of Salemata in Senegal, just a stone's throw from the Guinean border. Do you know if it's possible to cross the border in this area? Where do we register? Can we cross the border without an official border post and just register in the first town we come to? We have our visas for Guinea.
Hi there,
Which island would be best for a one-week solo trip at the end of November?
I’d like to explore with a local guide who can help me discover Cape Verdean culture.
It’s still just the beginning of the plan…
Thanks to anyone who’d like to share some tips!
Which hotels offer half-board on Santiago Island?
Also, I’d love some contacts for guide-taxis—I’m traveling solo and really want to discover authentic spots.
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Cape Verde at the end of the week. I’ve heard that transportation isn’t very reliable, so I’d love your advice:
- My return flight is from Sal on the night of August 13–14
- I’ll be in São Vicente until August 10
- I found an indirect flight (São Vicente–Praia–Sal) on August 9–10 and a ferry on August 10 as well
- I’m traveling alone with two kids, ages 6 and 9
In your opinion, which option is more reliable and comfortable?