Je m'apprête à partir pour un voyage de 6 mois en Amérique du sud et je me pose certaines questions quand à ma situation et mes droits de Sécurité Sociale.
Ma situation :
J'ai travaillé en CDI pendant 1 an et demi et j'ai été licencié economique fin décembre 2008. J'ai repris une activité en CDI depuis début janvier mais je compte rompre ma période d'essai pour pouvoir partir faire mon voyage.
Mes interrogations :
Pendant mon séjour en Amerique du sud, est-ce que je conserve des droits à la Sécurité Sociale et pour combien de temps ? Dois-je conserver ma mutuelle ?
J'ai contacté le service des relations internationales de la sécu, il n'y a pas d'accord avec les pays d'amerique du sud et ils ne sont pas très rassurant, dixit :
Vous devez résilier votre carte vitale, une fois rentré en france on examinera votre dossier personnel pour savoir si on vous indemnise ou pas et en plus délais de carence pour obtenir ses nouveaux droits. Pas très rassurant tout ça...
Je vais de toute manière souscrire à une assurance voyageur pour être couvert sur place au cas ou il m'arrive quelque chose mais le problème c'est que si je dois rentrer en france et que je dois etre hospitalisé ou autre, qu'en est il ? Mes frais seront-ils remboursés ? A quel niveau ?
Toutes les infos que j'ai eu ne sont pas très claires et si certain d'entre vous on eu à affronter ce problème, toutes les infos sont les bienvenues.
Merci pour le lien mais rien n'ai indiqué sur ce site que j'ai déjà consulté en vain. En tout cas pas dans mon cas.
Je rappel que je ne serai ni salarié, ni chômeur, ni etudiant...
Faut pas que tu sois saisonnier ou interimaire par contre, peut-etre...
Faudrait tirer au clair la reponse qu'on t'a faite, elle se base peut-etre sur un aspect tres particulier de ton dossier. En tous cas je ne la comprends pas.
Tu peux prendre une assurance voyage en plus si tu veux. Attention si tu n'es pas assure social elle ne sert a rien.
Le probleme c'est que la Sécu me dit que oui je suis assuré pendant 1 an mais que le service des relations sociales me dit que non, je perd mes droits en quittant le sol français/européen.
Pour l'asurance voyage est quelque chose de différent de l'assurance social ?
je suis un peu dans la meme situation que toi. J'ai travaille 4 mois en France puis 1 an aux USA.
Je termine mon job puis je compte partir 6 mois en Amerique du Sud.
Je serais ni salariee ni chomeuse (vu que j'ai pas travaille suffisamment en France).
Je pense qu'on a droit a la couverture sociale universelle donc une secu pour ceux qui ne sont pas salaries et non chomeurs (j'avais ca quand j'etais plus etudiante et pas encore salariee).
Enfin j'espere...🤪
En tout cas je compte prendre une mutuelle + couverture voyage en plus.
La mutuelle et la couverture voyage ne servent a rien si vous n'etes pas assuree sociale en France. Si vous avez travaille un an aux Etats-Unis il se peut que vous ne le soyiez plus, surtout si vous n'avez plus de residence fiscale en France.
D'ailleurs vous aurez du mal a trouver une assurance de voyage en France sans etre domiciliee en France.
d'après ce que j'ai lu, nous restons couverts par la sécu seulement 6 mois quand nous voyageons à l'étranger au long cours.
pour les pays qui n'ont pas de convention avec la France, et si on n'a pas d'assurance-assistance, il faut avancer les frais et envoyer les factures à la sécu en rentrant, sachant que chaque dossier est examiné au cas par cas, sans être sûr d'être remboursé.
Egalement, bien lire son contrat d'assurance-assistance, certaines ne remboursent que si la sécu prend en charge.
Bonjour,
c'est un vrai débat que tu as ouvert là!
Alors pour info en France maintenant qu'il y a la couverture maladie universelle, les droits ss des gens qui travaillent ou ont travailler sont souvent ouverts sur de grandes périodes (le plus simple pour vérifier est de faire une mise à jour de la carte, les pharmaciens peuvent le faire ou alors borne des CNAM) et de voir jusqu'a quand sont ouverts les droits.
Quand à voyager hors du territoire, la période est normalement autorisé jusqu'à 90jours, après la couverture s'arrête et il faut cotiser à la secu volontaire (pas cool car très cher) alors le mieux c'est de faire le canard, tu parts et si tu as des frais à l'étranger tu enverras tes feuilles avec un mot précisant que tu es en vacances là-bas (bien sur pour ces 6mois tu garde une adresse en france! Enfin si tu dis rien tu l'as!) Si tu n'as pas une multitude de soins ca devrait passer! Pour info en guyanne francaise tu as les mêmes droits qu'en métropole (tiers payant....).Bien sur tu conserves aussi ta mutuelle, les remboursements se feront sur la base du tarif sécu en vigeur et si tu es hospitalisé (là tu auras interrêt à faire marcher ton assurance voyage-mondiale assistance ou autre -car tu devra faire l'avance des frais!).
Voila si cela peut t'aider car je vois que ça tourne un peu en rond sur ce sujet!
Pour ma part je suis partie 2 ans, sans rien dire car j'étais en bateau (et là c'est encore pire car on a rien comme justificatif et on n'existe ni socialement ni fiscalement!) j'ai rien dis et les soins que j'ai eu (pas grand chose!) m'ont été remboursés en france.
Et puis pour 6 mois, tu fais un bon check up avant le départ (n'oublie pas les dents!!!) et ca devrait aller.
Bon voyage!!
dom
"Quand à voyager hors du territoire, la période est normalement autorisé jusqu'à 90jours, après la couverture s'arrête et il faut cotiser à la secu volontaire"
Vous voudrez bien citer vos sources s'il vous plait.
Nous avons sur VF une discussion à ce sujet : ICI.
Nulle part cette durée de trois mois n'a de fondement. Ou alors juste pour la couverture par les assurances rapatriement comme celles des cartes de crédit.
vous avez raison ces trois mois concernent plus les mutuelles et assurances, mais je suppose que la couverture securité sociale n'est guère suffisante si on voyage à l'étranger! En cas d'hospitalisation, la part mutelle peut représentée des sommes importantes. Il serait donc dommage d'avoir la sécu mais pas de mutuelle avec.
Par contre si vous trouver la solution, à part celle de la couverture volontaire et du canard, vous allez en interesser plus d'un!
Beaucoup de gens partent un ou 2 ans, et donc ne sont plus concidérés résidents s'ils font les choses dans les règles; pour nous en bateau, même si on voulait les faire dans les règles on ne pourrait pas car rien que les administrations fiscales sont incapables de donner la marche à suivre! Pourtant naviguant sur un bateau battant pavillon français nous devrions être concidéré comme vivant sur le territoire!
Bonne journée
"vous avez raison ces trois mois concernent plus les mutuelles et assurances, "
Oui... Encore que, les mutuelles, je ne crois pas ; pour autant que je sache les mutuelles fonctionnent si votre couverture sociale fonctionne.
"mais je suppose que la couverture securité sociale n'est guère suffisante si on voyage à l'étranger! En cas d'hospitalisation, la part mutelle peut représentée des sommes importantes."
Vous savez, il y a des tas de gens qui n'ont pas de mutuelle.
Cela dépend beaucoup du pays ; si vous avez une assurance rapatriement, on vous rapatrie, justement, et il n'y a pas beaucoup d'hospitalisation à l'étranger. Mais en cas d'accident vraiment très grave le problème peur effectivement se poser sérieusement.
"Par contre si vous trouver la solution, à part celle de la couverture volontaire et du canard, vous allez en interesser plus d'un!"
Un an, et garder sa résidence fiscale en France, garder aussi sa mutuelle si on en a une. Au-delà il faut un autre système.
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She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
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My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
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1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window.
The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days.
2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date.
If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period.
In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th.
The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
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