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je viens d'entendre qu'un groupe de touristes avec leurs accompagnateurs Ethiopiens auraient été enlevés et qu'il y aurait des morts ? à la frontière de l'Erythrée ? que s'est il passé ?
Enlèvement et morts dans le Danakil (Éthiopie)
by Fmaej
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Un article de ce jour sur le sujet :
http://www.pros-du-tourisme.com/actualites/detail/48544/cinq-touristes-europeens-tues-en-ethiopie.html
voici la fin d el'article :
"L'Afar, d'une superficie d'environ 160 000 km2 et qui s'étend de la mer Rouge aux pentes des Hauts-Plateaux éthiopiens, est considérée comme peu sûre du fait de la présence de groupes armés et de nomades se livrant fréquemment à des actes de banditisme.
En 2004, un touriste français avait disparu sans laisser de traces dans la région. En mars 2007, cinq touristes européens, dont une Française, y avaient encore été enlevés, puis libérés, par un groupe de rebelles. Sur le site Internet du quai d'Orsay, la plus grande partie de la région est en vert."
ça risque fort de changer, à moins que notre diplomatie ne calcule pas le risque de la même façon en Ethiopie et au Mali...
En 2004, un touriste français avait disparu sans laisser de traces dans la région. En mars 2007, cinq touristes européens, dont une Française, y avaient encore été enlevés, puis libérés, par un groupe de rebelles. Sur le site Internet du quai d'Orsay, la plus grande partie de la région est en vert."
ça risque fort de changer, à moins que notre diplomatie ne calcule pas le risque de la même façon en Ethiopie et au Mali...
le Pays Dogon par Massina
bonjour et merci , c'est ce que j'ai lu aussi !
cette région d'Ethiopie est dangereuse et ceux qui s'y aventurent en connaissent les risques, mais faut il interdire d'y aller ? il y a ici pas mal de posts qui parlent de cet endroit et je crois savoir que les guides Ethiopiens n'aiment pas vraiment s'y rendre . le forcing et l'argent peut être ?
Bonjour à tous,
Je voulais juste apporter ma modeste contribution dans la mesure où j'ai moi-même été dans la dépression du Danakil en novembre 2010. Je savais que ce n'était pas l'endroit le plus sûr au monde et qu'il y avait déjà eu des enlèvements quelques années auparavant. Cependant, à aucun moment, je ne me suis sentie en danger et n'ai même pensé à un quelconque risque. C'est vraiment une question de se trouver au mauvais moment au mauvais endroit.
En tous les cas l'Ethiopie reste un de mes plus beaux voyages et je prévoyais justement d'y retourner peut-être dans 3 mois.
Bonne journée à tous.
Bénédicte.
Je voulais juste apporter ma modeste contribution dans la mesure où j'ai moi-même été dans la dépression du Danakil en novembre 2010. Je savais que ce n'était pas l'endroit le plus sûr au monde et qu'il y avait déjà eu des enlèvements quelques années auparavant. Cependant, à aucun moment, je ne me suis sentie en danger et n'ai même pensé à un quelconque risque. C'est vraiment une question de se trouver au mauvais moment au mauvais endroit.
En tous les cas l'Ethiopie reste un de mes plus beaux voyages et je prévoyais justement d'y retourner peut-être dans 3 mois.
Bonne journée à tous.
Bénédicte.
1 an en Australie : http//dokoz.blogspirit.com
2 ans et demi en Egypte.
Je savais que ce n'était pas l'endroit le plus sûr au monde et qu'il y avait déjà eu des enlèvements quelques années auparavant.
Cependant, à aucun moment, je ne me suis sentie en danger et n'ai même pensé à un quelconque risque.
C'est vraiment une question de se trouver au mauvais moment au mauvais endroit.
Je ne suis jamais allé en Ethiopie ni dans les pays limitrophes . Je voulais juste dire , sur un plan très général , que dans les discussions sur ces sujets ce qui est souvent exprimé c' est le "sentiment de" sécurité ou d' insécurité . Ce n' est pas vraiment le cas ici , mais souvent ce sentiment , cette conviction intime est avancée presque comme un argument , au point que c' en est fascinant de voir le subjectif prendre le dessus à ce point . Maintenant il est bien vrai que ni les statistiques ni d' éventuels faisceaux d' indices inquiétants ne permettent à coup sûr d' anticiper de tels évènements , mais seulement pressentir que ce n' est pas "l' endroit le plus sûr du monde" 😉 . En tous les cas , je vous souhaite une bonne journée et très sincèrement bonne chance pour vos futurs déplacements dans la corne de l' Afrique 🙂 .
Je ne suis jamais allé en Ethiopie ni dans les pays limitrophes . Je voulais juste dire , sur un plan très général , que dans les discussions sur ces sujets ce qui est souvent exprimé c' est le "sentiment de" sécurité ou d' insécurité . Ce n' est pas vraiment le cas ici , mais souvent ce sentiment , cette conviction intime est avancée presque comme un argument , au point que c' en est fascinant de voir le subjectif prendre le dessus à ce point . Maintenant il est bien vrai que ni les statistiques ni d' éventuels faisceaux d' indices inquiétants ne permettent à coup sûr d' anticiper de tels évènements , mais seulement pressentir que ce n' est pas "l' endroit le plus sûr du monde" 😉 . En tous les cas , je vous souhaite une bonne journée et très sincèrement bonne chance pour vos futurs déplacements dans la corne de l' Afrique 🙂 .
Très juste remarque, vous avez raison.
C'est effectivement un sentiment bien personnel de sécurité que j'exprimais. Je suis assez confiante et positive lors de mes voyages et c'est vrai que ce drame m'interpelle et me fait même réaliser à posteriori que cette zone est dangereuse.
Pour répondre à un post précédent. Effectivement les guides étiopiens non afar ont peur eux-mêmes de s'aventurer dans la zone du Danakil. Je me rappelle que notre chauffeur, qui appartenait à une autre tribu, avait littéralement la trouille ! Notre guide, lui, était Afar mais originaire de Djibouti.
Enfin, j'encourage tout de même les aventuriers à découvrir ce pays qui est juste surprenant et magnifique (de par ses paysages et ses habitants).
Bénédicte :-)
C'est effectivement un sentiment bien personnel de sécurité que j'exprimais. Je suis assez confiante et positive lors de mes voyages et c'est vrai que ce drame m'interpelle et me fait même réaliser à posteriori que cette zone est dangereuse.
Pour répondre à un post précédent. Effectivement les guides étiopiens non afar ont peur eux-mêmes de s'aventurer dans la zone du Danakil. Je me rappelle que notre chauffeur, qui appartenait à une autre tribu, avait littéralement la trouille ! Notre guide, lui, était Afar mais originaire de Djibouti.
Enfin, j'encourage tout de même les aventuriers à découvrir ce pays qui est juste surprenant et magnifique (de par ses paysages et ses habitants).
Bénédicte :-)
1 an en Australie : http//dokoz.blogspirit.com
2 ans et demi en Egypte.
Mais ce n'est pas ce que j'insinue ! :-)
J'aurais pu parler d'un tout autre pays en employant le terme d'aventurier également.
Aventurier ou voyageur si vous préférez.
Cela dit, faire un tour dans la dépression du Danakil n'est pas le voyage le plus facile que j'ai fait !
Parfois sur les forums, on décortique et analyse trop les messages je trouve... ;-)
1 an en Australie : http//dokoz.blogspirit.com
2 ans et demi en Egypte.
Je suis allé 4 fois dans la dépression du Danakil.
Il faut savoir que les "événements" ont eu lieu près du volcan Erta Ale.
C'est un endroit isolé à 1 jour de 4x4 d'Ahmed Ela et par une piste redoutable. Lieu Idéal pour les razzia des rebelles Érythréens.
Dallol et le lac Asale ne présentent pas du tout le même risque.
Quand au Ethiopiens non Afars, je ne sais pas s'ils ont peur mais comment aller dans le Danakil sans passer par une agence qui emploie des Ethiopiens non Afars.
Ceux qui m'ont accompagné n'ont jamais manifesté la moindre appréhension si ce n'est pour leur véhicule à cause de l'état des pistes (qui s'améliore régulièrement).
Actuellement, l'accès au Danakil est fermé pour une durée indéterminée.
Voyager c'est rencontrer plus que voir.
Bonjour,
Nous étions dans le Danakil début janvier, et effectivement, nous n'avons jamais ressenti d'insécurité particulière. L'endroit ou semble s'être produit cette attaque (pentes de l'Erta Ale) est à une vingtaine de kms de l'Erythrée, mais rien ne prouve pour l'instant qu'il s'agisse de rebelles érythréens. Quand aux guide non Afar que nous avions, ainsi que les chauffeurs et le cuisinier, ils n'ont jamais manifesté la moindre peur de se rendre dans cette région. Bien sûr, dans toute expédition dans les régions reculées du monde, il y a toujours une part de risque, mais le terrorisme ou la folie des hommes peuvent frapper n'importe où et n'importe quand. Il n'en reste pas moins vrai que la région Afar est absolument superbe, et que le tourisme permettait de faire travailler une partie de la population locale. Fallait-il fermer complètement l'accès, le débat reste ouvert. Cordialement
Nous étions dans le Danakil début janvier, et effectivement, nous n'avons jamais ressenti d'insécurité particulière. L'endroit ou semble s'être produit cette attaque (pentes de l'Erta Ale) est à une vingtaine de kms de l'Erythrée, mais rien ne prouve pour l'instant qu'il s'agisse de rebelles érythréens. Quand aux guide non Afar que nous avions, ainsi que les chauffeurs et le cuisinier, ils n'ont jamais manifesté la moindre peur de se rendre dans cette région. Bien sûr, dans toute expédition dans les régions reculées du monde, il y a toujours une part de risque, mais le terrorisme ou la folie des hommes peuvent frapper n'importe où et n'importe quand. Il n'en reste pas moins vrai que la région Afar est absolument superbe, et que le tourisme permettait de faire travailler une partie de la population locale. Fallait-il fermer complètement l'accès, le débat reste ouvert. Cordialement
peu importe l'endroit pourvu que l'horizon soit vaste
Pour ceux que cela intéresse et qui lisent l'anglais (ETOA est l'Ethiopian Tour Operators Association) :
Greetings From ETOA
It has become necessary to disclose this information as some reports are distorting the current situation of our country.
We kindly request you to disseminate this security update to all your clients so as not to cancel any tour.
Ethiopia Security Updates #1 - Jan 21, 2012
Ethiopian Tour Operators Association
1. General Security in the Country:
Ethiopia is one of the safest countries in the world for visitors. The country has enjoyed many years of peace and tranquility with no serious security incidents on any the tourist routes. Particularly since the end of the conflict with Eritrea in 2000, the whole country has remained safe and secure, though the border with Eritrea remains closed. Conflict in neighbouring Somalia has made travel in parts of Ethiopia's Somali Region in the south east of the country inadvisable, however it should be noted that these areas are well outside the normal tourist routes, and no tours are currently being conducted there. Otherwise, the whole rest of the country continues to be extremely safe, and all the tourist attractions accessible.
2. Specific Advice about Afar Region:
In the morning of Tuesday 17 January, 2012, armed gunmen attacked a group of tourists and their Ethiopian escorts and guides, in a remote part of the Afar Region in north eastern Ethiopia, not far from the border with Eritrea, killing five tourists, wounding two others and kidnapping 2 tourists and 2 Ethiopians, taking them across the border into Eritrea. The tourists had gone to see the volcano at Erta Ale, with its permanent lava lake. Our association condemns such acts of terrorism, regardless of who carried it out or why. This terrorist act was clearly aimed at spoiling the image of the country, to convince people that the country is unsafe for visitors and investors, and its timing just before the upcoming African Union Summit in Addis Ababa is not a coincidence. Needless to say, it is potentially very damaging to Ethiopia's tourism sector, and to the hundreds of thousands of its citizens who are directly and indirectly employed in it.
Immediately after the attack, the Ethiopian Defense Forces were deployed throughout the area, and have asserted full control up the border. Conditions have now returned to normal, and the tourist flow has resumed, with visitors from many nationalites continuing on their trips both to Erta Ale and to the nearby amazing mineral rmations at Dallol.
3. Other Tourist Attractions:
Other tourist attractions in the whole of the country have been and remain to be very safe and tourists are experiencing the wonders of this unique country. Thousands of tourists from all over the world enjoyed the colorful Timket Festival peacefully and securely.
There are some reports that some tourist groups are intending to cancel their forthcoming trips to Ethiopia due to security fears. We clearly would like to point out that what happened at the Erta Ale volcano is a one off incident, in a particular area, remote and largely uninhabited, near the border with Eritrea, from where the attackers came.
Ethiopia, with its many tourist sites located throughout the country, is bigger than France and Spain combined, and this incident should not be seen as having implications for other parts of the country.
As has been stated, there is now very tight security throughout the Afar Region to guard against any further incursions, and throughout the country as a whole, visitors can continue with their tours in safety, and to enjoy the unique Ethiopian cultural hospitality.
For any further details or information, please contact
Ethiopian Tour Operators Association
Tel: +251 115 508444/45
Fax: +251 115 508446
P.O.Box: 27548/1000 Addis Ababa, Ethiopia
E-mail : ethiotour@ethionet.et , info@ethiopiantourassociation.com
Website : www.ethiopiantourassociation.com
Voyager c'est rencontrer plus que voir.
Etant allé il y a juste un an dans cette extraordinaire région du Danakil (lac Karoum/Asale - Dallol - Erta Ale) c'est avec émotion que j'ai appris le drame de ces cinq touristes assassinés. Cela est perturbant de se dire que cela aurait pu être notre groupe. La vie est plus incertaine que le jeu de roulette russe.
Que faire si l'on doit partir désormais visiter cette région ?
L'Association des Agences de Voyage éthiopiennes (message en anglais ci-dessus) se veut rassurante : l'armée verrouille la frontière avec l'Erythrée et tous les voyages en Ethiopie y compris dans cette région sont à nouveau fiablement sécurisés.
C'est probablement vrai pour ce qui concerne les incursions des érythréens, mais on ne sait pas encore qui a attaqué le groupe : érythréens ou nomades Afars ?
Vu que quasiment tout les Afars se balladent avec une kalachnikov à l'épaule et que cette région est vraiment très très pauvre l'incertitude quant à l'identité des agresseurs est permise.
En dernière minute, l'agression aurait été revendiquée par le Front Révolutionnaire Démocratique Uni de l'Afar. Voici quelques extraits de communiqués divers d'aujourd'hui :
" Un groupe insurgé éthiopien a revendiqué l'enlèvement de deux touristes allemands et deux soldats éthiopiens lors d'une embuscade la semaine dernière. Les rebelles ont ajouté que leurs otages étaient en bonne santé et qu'ils était prêt à négocier leur libération.
Les quatre otages faisaient partie d'un groupe de 27 touristes qui a été attaqué mardi dernier dans l'Afar, une région prisée pour la beauté de ses paysages arides dans le nord de l'Ethiopie. Deux Allemands, deux Hongrois et un Autrichien ont péri dans l'embuscade.
«Nous confirmons que ces ressortissants allemands emmenés avec les soldats éthiopiens sont indemnes et en bonne santé», a déclaré le Front révolutionnaire démocratique uni de l'Afar (FRDUA) dans un communiqué daté du 21 janvier.
«Nous pouvons garantir leur libération pacifique via une négociation (...) avec les anciens Afars de la région», a-t-il ajouté. Le FRDUA dit se battre pour l'unification des régions occupées par le peuple Afar, à cheval entre l'Ethiopie, l'Erythrée et Djibouti. On lui impute l'enlèvement de cinq Occidentaux en 2007.
Addis-Abeba a accusé son ennemi juré, l'Erythrée, d'avoir planifié cette attaque. Asmara a démenti toute implication. L'ARDUF, qui nie être soutenu par l'Erythrée, affirme que les touristes ont été tués par l'armée éthiopienne."
"L'ARDUF, qui ne donne aucune indication sur le lieu où sont retenus les deux Allemands, affirme pour sa part que "le gouvernement érythréen n'a rien à avoir avec cet événement". Le mouvement rebelle, qui affirme lutter contre la marginalisation et les discriminations à l'encontre de la minorité Afar du pays, mène depuis des années des actions de guérilla dans cette zone, où les touristes ne peuvent venir que sous protection armée."
"L'ARDUF, qui mène des actions de guérilla depuis des années dans cette région au nom de la minorité afar, affirme que "(ses) forces ont tué 16 soldats éthiopiens et en ont blessé une douzaine lundi (16 janvier) lors d'affrontements survenus quand les forces éthiopiennes ont ouvert le feu sur une de (ses) patrouilles".
"Nous pouvons confirmer que les ressortissants européens ont été tués par les forces éthiopiennes qui les accompagnaient", affirme le communiqué. Le même texte ajoute que "les ressortissants européens comme les soldats éthiopiens ont été tués lors des combats avec l'Arduf", sans donner davantage de précision sur les circonstances.
L'affaire est bien opaque quant aux circonstances de l'attaque. Il faudrait que les touristes qui en ont réchappé, maintenant qu'ils sont revenus chez eux, puissent dire ce qu'ils ont vu.
Pour ma part, si je devais partir au Danakil ces prochains jours, en attendant d'y voir plus clair je m'abstiendrai de faire le voyage (même si l'on peut penser qu'aucune prochaine attaque ne devrait intervenir dans les prochains mois puisque les négociations des otages actuels n'a pas encore commencé). C'est trop bête de perdre la vie comme ça.
Cordialement,
Que faire si l'on doit partir désormais visiter cette région ?
L'Association des Agences de Voyage éthiopiennes (message en anglais ci-dessus) se veut rassurante : l'armée verrouille la frontière avec l'Erythrée et tous les voyages en Ethiopie y compris dans cette région sont à nouveau fiablement sécurisés.
C'est probablement vrai pour ce qui concerne les incursions des érythréens, mais on ne sait pas encore qui a attaqué le groupe : érythréens ou nomades Afars ?
Vu que quasiment tout les Afars se balladent avec une kalachnikov à l'épaule et que cette région est vraiment très très pauvre l'incertitude quant à l'identité des agresseurs est permise.
En dernière minute, l'agression aurait été revendiquée par le Front Révolutionnaire Démocratique Uni de l'Afar. Voici quelques extraits de communiqués divers d'aujourd'hui :
" Un groupe insurgé éthiopien a revendiqué l'enlèvement de deux touristes allemands et deux soldats éthiopiens lors d'une embuscade la semaine dernière. Les rebelles ont ajouté que leurs otages étaient en bonne santé et qu'ils était prêt à négocier leur libération.
Les quatre otages faisaient partie d'un groupe de 27 touristes qui a été attaqué mardi dernier dans l'Afar, une région prisée pour la beauté de ses paysages arides dans le nord de l'Ethiopie. Deux Allemands, deux Hongrois et un Autrichien ont péri dans l'embuscade.
«Nous confirmons que ces ressortissants allemands emmenés avec les soldats éthiopiens sont indemnes et en bonne santé», a déclaré le Front révolutionnaire démocratique uni de l'Afar (FRDUA) dans un communiqué daté du 21 janvier.
«Nous pouvons garantir leur libération pacifique via une négociation (...) avec les anciens Afars de la région», a-t-il ajouté. Le FRDUA dit se battre pour l'unification des régions occupées par le peuple Afar, à cheval entre l'Ethiopie, l'Erythrée et Djibouti. On lui impute l'enlèvement de cinq Occidentaux en 2007.
Addis-Abeba a accusé son ennemi juré, l'Erythrée, d'avoir planifié cette attaque. Asmara a démenti toute implication. L'ARDUF, qui nie être soutenu par l'Erythrée, affirme que les touristes ont été tués par l'armée éthiopienne."
"L'ARDUF, qui ne donne aucune indication sur le lieu où sont retenus les deux Allemands, affirme pour sa part que "le gouvernement érythréen n'a rien à avoir avec cet événement". Le mouvement rebelle, qui affirme lutter contre la marginalisation et les discriminations à l'encontre de la minorité Afar du pays, mène depuis des années des actions de guérilla dans cette zone, où les touristes ne peuvent venir que sous protection armée."
"L'ARDUF, qui mène des actions de guérilla depuis des années dans cette région au nom de la minorité afar, affirme que "(ses) forces ont tué 16 soldats éthiopiens et en ont blessé une douzaine lundi (16 janvier) lors d'affrontements survenus quand les forces éthiopiennes ont ouvert le feu sur une de (ses) patrouilles".
"Nous pouvons confirmer que les ressortissants européens ont été tués par les forces éthiopiennes qui les accompagnaient", affirme le communiqué. Le même texte ajoute que "les ressortissants européens comme les soldats éthiopiens ont été tués lors des combats avec l'Arduf", sans donner davantage de précision sur les circonstances.
L'affaire est bien opaque quant aux circonstances de l'attaque. Il faudrait que les touristes qui en ont réchappé, maintenant qu'ils sont revenus chez eux, puissent dire ce qu'ils ont vu.
Pour ma part, si je devais partir au Danakil ces prochains jours, en attendant d'y voir plus clair je m'abstiendrai de faire le voyage (même si l'on peut penser qu'aucune prochaine attaque ne devrait intervenir dans les prochains mois puisque les négociations des otages actuels n'a pas encore commencé). C'est trop bête de perdre la vie comme ça.
Cordialement,
Pifil (mon site : http://enviedevoyage.com )
voilà ce que l'on peut lire sur le site de la diplomatie française :
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Les déplacements sont formellement déconseillés :
Au Nord du pays, dans l’ensemble de la zone frontalière avec l’Erythrée (régions Tigré et Afar) ;
dans la Dépression des Danakils (régions du Mont Dallol et du volcan Erta Ale) : plusieurs attaques et tentatives d’enlèvement contre des touristes étrangers s’y sont déroulées de 2007 à 2009 et, le 17 janvier 2012, une attaque meurtrière a visé un groupe de touristes européens en dépit du renforcement de la présence des autorités éthiopiennes dans cette région ;
dans les zones frontalières avec la Somalie et, jusqu’à Moyale, avec le Kenya."
la carte est en cours de réalisation
libre à ceux qui veulent quand même y aller, de ne pas en revenir... mais c'est une zone qui n'a rien à envier au Nord Malien ou à la Casamance, en terme d'instabilité, de bandes armées incontrôlées et de risque d'enlèvement. le monnayage d'otages européens est une activité lucrative, universelle et intemporelle, malheureusement.
Les déplacements sont formellement déconseillés :
Au Nord du pays, dans l’ensemble de la zone frontalière avec l’Erythrée (régions Tigré et Afar) ;
dans la Dépression des Danakils (régions du Mont Dallol et du volcan Erta Ale) : plusieurs attaques et tentatives d’enlèvement contre des touristes étrangers s’y sont déroulées de 2007 à 2009 et, le 17 janvier 2012, une attaque meurtrière a visé un groupe de touristes européens en dépit du renforcement de la présence des autorités éthiopiennes dans cette région ;
dans les zones frontalières avec la Somalie et, jusqu’à Moyale, avec le Kenya."la carte est en cours de réalisation
libre à ceux qui veulent quand même y aller, de ne pas en revenir... mais c'est une zone qui n'a rien à envier au Nord Malien ou à la Casamance, en terme d'instabilité, de bandes armées incontrôlées et de risque d'enlèvement. le monnayage d'otages européens est une activité lucrative, universelle et intemporelle, malheureusement.
le Pays Dogon par Massina
L'association éthiopienne des tour operators exagère et sous-estime la gravité de la situation. La région du Danakil est toujours très dangereuse et incontrôlable. Plusieurs ambassades européennes à Addis Abeba ont émis un avertissement aux voyageurs et les agences de voyage qui continuent à envoyer des touristes dans cette région sont soit incompétentes soit irresponsables. A vos risques et périls!
Le texte de l'association s'adresse à ses membres et non aux touristes.
Votre avis est tout à fait respectable mais accuser ceux qui ont un autre avis "d'irresponsables ou incompétentes" est, peut-être, un peu exagéré.
Un ami à moi est allé dans la dépression jusqu'au Erta Ale la semaine dernière.
La protection est maintenant renforcée. Ce ne sont plus des policiers ou des militaires "de base" qui accompagnent les touristes mais des "forces spéciales".
Aller dans le Danakil et plus particulièrement au Erta Ale n'a jamais été une promenade de santé mais il n'y a pas une grande différence de risque entre février 2011 et février 2012.
Alors on y va ou on n'y va pas. J'y suis allé 4 fois. Je ne suis pas suicidaire et l'agence qui m'y emmène n'est ni incompétente, ni irresponsable.
Voyager c'est rencontrer plus que voir.
Je partage le point de vue de Cladd sur l'incompétence et l'irresponsabilité de certaines voir de la plupart des agences qui emmènent les touristes dans la zone très chaude (dans tous les sens du terme) du Danakil. Si la condition pour être à peu près en sécurité est d'être entouré de "forces spéciales" (sic!) éthiopiennes alors je dis NON! Il y a assez de magnifiques endroits beaucoup plus sûrs en Ethiopie pour éviter d'aller trainer ses guêtres dans la fournaise de la Corne de l'Afrique, y voir certes un magnifique lac de lave et quelques solfatares, mais en prenant des risques bien inutiles 😠.
Allez dans cette région ressemble de plus en plus à vouloir visiter la zone frontière entre le Mali, le Niger, la Mauritanie et l'Algérie. Une magnifique région, mais où la contemplation du désert et de ses trésors est à un prix trop élevé, en terme de risques, par rapport aux probabilités de finir au mieux otage et au pire avec une balle dans la peau. Sans compter les coûts d'une opération de récupération par d'autres forces spéciales celles-là! Je ne comprends pas le désir un peu morbide qu'ont certains de vouloir à tout prix aller dans des zones réellement à hauts risques alors que tous les signaux d'alerte sont au rouge. Je vais en Ethiopie depuis des années et pense bien connaître les parties du pays où j'ai roulé ma bosse, ainsi que les Ethiopiens et leur mentalité. Mais n'en déplaise à certains qui se targuent de distiller leurs précieux conseils je n'ai pas du tout envie d'aller traîner mes sandales dans certaines zones d'Abyssinie où il est de notoriété publique que les troubles sont permanents. Sans parler des conditions logistiques catastrophiques qui prévalent : pas question d'y être évacué par hélicoptère à la première alerte ou au moindre incident mécanique comme dans nos Alpes. Un gros pépins dans le Danakil, l'Ogaden ou à la frontière kenyanne signifie réellement risquer très vite sa peau. Est-on prêt à prendre pareils risques?
L'Ethiopie a une surface équivalente à 1,67 fois la France. N'y a-t-il pas assez de coins superbes et méconnus autres que la région du Danakil et ses (trop) rares curiosités? Si vous manquez d'imagination pour vous monter un circuit en Ethiopie n'hésitez pas à m'écrire en PM.
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L'Ethiopie a une surface équivalente à 1,67 fois la France. N'y a-t-il pas assez de coins superbes et méconnus autres que la région du Danakil et ses (trop) rares curiosités? Si vous manquez d'imagination pour vous monter un circuit en Ethiopie n'hésitez pas à m'écrire en PM.
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http://farenjtours.ch/
Bonsoir,
Je suis rentrée d' Ethiopie avec mon mari et 2 amies Françaises il y a 15 jours. 1mois en 4x4 avec un super éthiopien que beaucoup commençent à connaître : Abel Seymoun. Discret, courtois, efficace, prudent, sympathique. Pas un seul moment nous ne nous sommes sentis en danger. Il nous a écrit " Thank you for this wonderful trip with you, it was wonderful to travel 1 month together". C'est la 1ère fois que c'est un patron qui nous remercie. Le pays est vraiment sûr à condition d'éviter : 1°) Gambela car attaque de bandits soudanais 2°) Frontière avec l' Erythrée 3°) Est d' Harar vers Djibouti 4°) OGADEN :on y a trouvé du pétrole. Des habitants et un chef de chantier chinois ont été assassinés par des Somaliens. 5°) Of course le Danakil. Il y a 1 siècle, Arthur Rimbaud qui a vécu au Danakil disait déjà : " Les Afars sont des musulmans fanatiques, ils sont à craindre."
Le 15 décembre à Harar, rencontre avec un groupe de randonneurs français ( 50 ans donc en principe pas des écervelés). Et bien si ! Ils partaient camper au Danakil, quelle inconscience.
Abel me disait : " Pour le moment, c'est calme jusqu'au prochain incident". C'était le 15 décembre 2012. Le 18 Janvier, 22 touristes Européens + scouts armés et militaires sont tombés dans une embuscade ( 5 morts Allemands, Autrichien, 2 blessés dont un Belge et 2 Ethiopiens tués.
Le gouvernement a décidé de fermer ce territoire et accuse l' Erythrée qui nie toute implication. Mon avis et ceux de plusieurs éthiopiens que j'ai interrogés ( pour l'accident précédent en Février 2012): l'Erythrée n'y est pour rien, l' Ethiopie n'a pas besoin de cela pour faire des incursions militaires quand elle le veut. Mais si on sait que ce sont des Ethiopiens qui sont responsables, les touristes ne viendront plus. J'ai étudié la situation pendant 6 mois avant de construire notre programme. Donc je le répète : l' Ethiopie est à l'Afrique ce que la Jordanie est au Moyen-Orient: un pays sûr dans une zone de turbulence. Mais aller dans les zones décrites plus haut est de l'inconscience. Car au Danakil, il y aura encore et encore des accidents. Ceci dit, le pays est extraordinaire avec ses paysages époustouflants, les pics fantasmagoriques du Simien, le sourire des enfants et l'accueil de la population.
Mais quand je préparais notre voyage, je frémissais devant l'inconscience de certains routarnautes. Pour info nous avons 64 et 67 ans et mes amies françaises 66 et 77 ans : il vaut mieux avoir du plomb dans la tête que dans l'arrière train. J'espère que les baroudeurs se diront que la vie vaut la peine d'être vécue, de grâce n'allez plus dans ces zones à risque. Que les autres ne fassent pas un amalgame : l' Ethiopie c'est 33 fois la Belgique et 2 fois la France et le pays est sûr, ne vous en privez pas.
Cordialement
Je suis rentrée d' Ethiopie avec mon mari et 2 amies Françaises il y a 15 jours. 1mois en 4x4 avec un super éthiopien que beaucoup commençent à connaître : Abel Seymoun. Discret, courtois, efficace, prudent, sympathique. Pas un seul moment nous ne nous sommes sentis en danger. Il nous a écrit " Thank you for this wonderful trip with you, it was wonderful to travel 1 month together". C'est la 1ère fois que c'est un patron qui nous remercie. Le pays est vraiment sûr à condition d'éviter : 1°) Gambela car attaque de bandits soudanais 2°) Frontière avec l' Erythrée 3°) Est d' Harar vers Djibouti 4°) OGADEN :on y a trouvé du pétrole. Des habitants et un chef de chantier chinois ont été assassinés par des Somaliens. 5°) Of course le Danakil. Il y a 1 siècle, Arthur Rimbaud qui a vécu au Danakil disait déjà : " Les Afars sont des musulmans fanatiques, ils sont à craindre."
Le 15 décembre à Harar, rencontre avec un groupe de randonneurs français ( 50 ans donc en principe pas des écervelés). Et bien si ! Ils partaient camper au Danakil, quelle inconscience.
Abel me disait : " Pour le moment, c'est calme jusqu'au prochain incident". C'était le 15 décembre 2012. Le 18 Janvier, 22 touristes Européens + scouts armés et militaires sont tombés dans une embuscade ( 5 morts Allemands, Autrichien, 2 blessés dont un Belge et 2 Ethiopiens tués.
Le gouvernement a décidé de fermer ce territoire et accuse l' Erythrée qui nie toute implication. Mon avis et ceux de plusieurs éthiopiens que j'ai interrogés ( pour l'accident précédent en Février 2012): l'Erythrée n'y est pour rien, l' Ethiopie n'a pas besoin de cela pour faire des incursions militaires quand elle le veut. Mais si on sait que ce sont des Ethiopiens qui sont responsables, les touristes ne viendront plus. J'ai étudié la situation pendant 6 mois avant de construire notre programme. Donc je le répète : l' Ethiopie est à l'Afrique ce que la Jordanie est au Moyen-Orient: un pays sûr dans une zone de turbulence. Mais aller dans les zones décrites plus haut est de l'inconscience. Car au Danakil, il y aura encore et encore des accidents. Ceci dit, le pays est extraordinaire avec ses paysages époustouflants, les pics fantasmagoriques du Simien, le sourire des enfants et l'accueil de la population.
Mais quand je préparais notre voyage, je frémissais devant l'inconscience de certains routarnautes. Pour info nous avons 64 et 67 ans et mes amies françaises 66 et 77 ans : il vaut mieux avoir du plomb dans la tête que dans l'arrière train. J'espère que les baroudeurs se diront que la vie vaut la peine d'être vécue, de grâce n'allez plus dans ces zones à risque. Que les autres ne fassent pas un amalgame : l' Ethiopie c'est 33 fois la Belgique et 2 fois la France et le pays est sûr, ne vous en privez pas.
Cordialement
Merci Mariepaule pour cette contribution qui va totalement dans le sens de celle que j'ai publiée le 15 février 2012.
L'Ethiopie, sous son aspect calme en apparence, est une pétaudière prête à exploser dans la plupart des régions. Le pouvoir totalement entre les mains de la minorité tigréenne a mis en place une structure fédéraliste qui met théoriquement toutes les ethnies sur un pied d'égalité. Mais la réalité est totalement différente, ce qui amène une multitude de petits groupes à prendre les armes pour contrer l'influence oppressante d'Addis Abeba. D'où une augmentation des groupes combattants à la périphérie du pays, mais aussi de plus en plus proche de la capitale. Preuve en est le récent incident près de Bahir Dar qui a fait un mort dans un groupe de rafters autrichiens (voir ici).
On peut donc ajouter la région nord de la capitale à votre liste des zones sensibles...
Le nombre de partis politiques éthiopiens est considérable, la majorité sont dans l'opposition donc clandestins et souvent décentralisé à l'étranger, une minorité est associée à l'EPRDF (le parti au pouvoir), et plusieurs ont des groupes satellites considérés comme terroristes, dont voici une liste non exhaustive :al-Ittihaad al-Islami (AIAI)Eritrean Islamic Jihad Movement (EIJM)Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF)Eritrean People's Liberation FrontEthiopian People's Revolutionary ArmyOgaden National Liberation Front (ONLF)Oromo Liberation Front (OLF)Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF)Malheureusement la majorité des touristes qui se rendent en Ethiopie ignore complètement la situation politique et sécuritaire qui prévaut dans le pays. Une connaissance même succincte des points "chauds" permettrait de voyager sereinement en ayant cependant conscience que tout n'est pas noir ou blanc dans ce merveilleux pays.
Cordialement
L'Ethiopie, sous son aspect calme en apparence, est une pétaudière prête à exploser dans la plupart des régions. Le pouvoir totalement entre les mains de la minorité tigréenne a mis en place une structure fédéraliste qui met théoriquement toutes les ethnies sur un pied d'égalité. Mais la réalité est totalement différente, ce qui amène une multitude de petits groupes à prendre les armes pour contrer l'influence oppressante d'Addis Abeba. D'où une augmentation des groupes combattants à la périphérie du pays, mais aussi de plus en plus proche de la capitale. Preuve en est le récent incident près de Bahir Dar qui a fait un mort dans un groupe de rafters autrichiens (voir ici).
On peut donc ajouter la région nord de la capitale à votre liste des zones sensibles...
Le nombre de partis politiques éthiopiens est considérable, la majorité sont dans l'opposition donc clandestins et souvent décentralisé à l'étranger, une minorité est associée à l'EPRDF (le parti au pouvoir), et plusieurs ont des groupes satellites considérés comme terroristes, dont voici une liste non exhaustive :al-Ittihaad al-Islami (AIAI)Eritrean Islamic Jihad Movement (EIJM)Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF)Eritrean People's Liberation FrontEthiopian People's Revolutionary ArmyOgaden National Liberation Front (ONLF)Oromo Liberation Front (OLF)Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF)Malheureusement la majorité des touristes qui se rendent en Ethiopie ignore complètement la situation politique et sécuritaire qui prévaut dans le pays. Une connaissance même succincte des points "chauds" permettrait de voyager sereinement en ayant cependant conscience que tout n'est pas noir ou blanc dans ce merveilleux pays.
Cordialement
Daniel
http://farenjtours.ch/
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=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
hi there
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
Hi,
I’m heading to Angola for two weeks starting mid-April and I’d like to rent a car to explore the country, but not a 4x4 to keep my budget in check. I plan to mostly stay in the western part and go as far as the Namibian border. Is it possible to drive in Iona Park without a 4x4, or to get to Kalendula or Piedra Negras? Also, is the Lubango–Huambo–Kuito–Malanje route doable in a city car? Lastly, do gas stations accept Visa?
Thanks for your feedback and tips!
Hello
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions: - Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)? The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛). - I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪) - Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions: - Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)? The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛). - I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪) - Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?