Bonjour
J'aimerais connaître l'état de la route entre Oudomxay et Phongsaly. C'est possible en Honda Wave ou faut il que je prenne une moto cross ?
Merci
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Etat de la route entre Oudomxay et Phongsaly? (Laos)
by Binboum
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Bonjour,
De Udom à Sinxai,60km de bon goudron, puis 100km de piste empierrée, dure aux poignets, puis 50km de goudron.
A Boun Neua , si tu veux pousser jusqu'à la frontière chinoise, c'est un peu de goudron
puis piste large, très roulante.Guest house à Ou Tai et Ou Neua.
A Phong Sali, tu peux descendre sur la Nam Ou à Hat sa,20km de piste.
Tu peux mettre ta bécane sur une pirogue pour redescendre jusqu'à Muangkhua, mais en général , ils t'obligent à louer une pirogue pour toi seul (1.000.000 de Kips)
peut-être qu'avec une Wave, ils accepteraient de la mettre sur le toit de la pirogue régulière, sinon tu est bon pour faire le chemin en sens inverse.Tu peux faire étape à Boun Tai pour couper ton voyage.
La Wave passe partout (voir les locaux).Tu ne trouveras pas de bonnes 250 trail à louer ailleurs qu'à Vientiane.
J'ai vu ton post pour passer ton permis à Chiangmai. Il te faut obtenir un certificat de résidence auprès de l'immigration, et même si tu l'obtiens, tu n'auras qu'un an provisoire avec un visa touriste.Pas de 5 ans sans visa d'un an.
A +, Lung.
Bravo pour la qualité de la réponse!
C'est une route que j'ai parcourue 3 fois et je n'aurais pu donner une info de cette qualité!
Arthur
Sabaidee,
Le bus qui part de Phongsali pour amener les passagers qui veulent prendre la pirogue à Hatsa, part aux environs de 8h et met grosso modo 1h pour les 20km de piste. Pars légèrement avant pour arriver à l'embarcadère avant lui et commence à négocier ton passage. En fonction du nombre de pax dans le bus, une,2, voire 3 pirogues partiront.Si elles sont toutes pleines , ils te proposeront d'en louer une pour toi tout seul, c'était 1.000.000 de kips, ( 100$ aujourd'hui?).Le mieux serait de rencontrer des motards entre Udomxai et Phongsali et de leur parler de l'opportunité de redescendre par la rivière pour partager les frais.C'est vraiment une super belle descente de rivière. Sinon, tu peux tenter ta chance, dans le village dont la piste prend un km avant Hatsa. Mais seul, il est normal qu'on te demande le prix du carburant retour, même si le batelier trouve des pax ou du fret .Ca m'est même arrivé de prendre des pax qui faisaient de la pirogue-stop.Mais bon, tu es si heureux d'être au nord Laos, au milieu d'un paysage enchanteur.... Si rien ne marche, remonte à Phongsali et tu peux rejoindre Ou Tai dans la journée.De là tu peux rayonner +sieurs jours vers Ou Noua (guest house) et la frontière chinoise. Les locaux ont pas mal de 125 chinoises et même de vieux 200 trails Yam. Au fait, c'est quoi ta bécane?pneus avec ou sans chambre?T'as une bombe ou un Kit? Je n'ai crevé que 2 fois cette année et toujours en agglomération.Le bol!
A+, Lung.
Le bus qui part de Phongsali pour amener les passagers qui veulent prendre la pirogue à Hatsa, part aux environs de 8h et met grosso modo 1h pour les 20km de piste. Pars légèrement avant pour arriver à l'embarcadère avant lui et commence à négocier ton passage. En fonction du nombre de pax dans le bus, une,2, voire 3 pirogues partiront.Si elles sont toutes pleines , ils te proposeront d'en louer une pour toi tout seul, c'était 1.000.000 de kips, ( 100$ aujourd'hui?).Le mieux serait de rencontrer des motards entre Udomxai et Phongsali et de leur parler de l'opportunité de redescendre par la rivière pour partager les frais.C'est vraiment une super belle descente de rivière. Sinon, tu peux tenter ta chance, dans le village dont la piste prend un km avant Hatsa. Mais seul, il est normal qu'on te demande le prix du carburant retour, même si le batelier trouve des pax ou du fret .Ca m'est même arrivé de prendre des pax qui faisaient de la pirogue-stop.Mais bon, tu es si heureux d'être au nord Laos, au milieu d'un paysage enchanteur.... Si rien ne marche, remonte à Phongsali et tu peux rejoindre Ou Tai dans la journée.De là tu peux rayonner +sieurs jours vers Ou Noua (guest house) et la frontière chinoise. Les locaux ont pas mal de 125 chinoises et même de vieux 200 trails Yam. Au fait, c'est quoi ta bécane?pneus avec ou sans chambre?T'as une bombe ou un Kit? Je n'ai crevé que 2 fois cette année et toujours en agglomération.Le bol!
A+, Lung.
bonjour Lung,
je crois comprendre que tu "'maîtrises" le circuit nord Laos en moto et je pense que tu peux m'être d'une aide extraordinaire pour programmer le triangle "Nong Khiaw-phongsali-luang Nam Tha" que j'ai vraiment du mal à visualiser pour un départ le 20 janvier.
le trajet en bateau en embarquant la moto Honda FTR de Nong Khiaw à Muang Khua avec arrêt d'une ou deux nuits à Muang Ngoi Neau peut se faire facilement ? quel est son coût et peut-on le réserver à l'avance ?
idem pour le trajet Muang Khua-Phongsali ?
en redescendant de Phongsali on voudrait aller jusqu'à Luang Nam Tha : combien de temps faut-il ? doit-on prévoir une étape où dormir ? l'état de la route ?
que penses-tu du circuit que nous voulons faire sachant qu'on veut voir des ethnies, faire du bateau pour voir les beaux paysages, et faire un treck :
vientiane-vang vieng-luang prabang-nong khiaw bateau jusqu'à Muang Ngoi Neau (2 nuits avec un treck pour voir les ethnies)-Muang Khua bateau jusqu'à Phongsali puis Luang Nam Tha.
nous ne disposons que de 11 jours, penses-tu que c'est faisable ou as-tu demeilleurs conseils ?
est-ce que Pakbeng vaut le coup du détour ?
est-ce que Pakbeng vaut le coup du détour ?
Bonjour,
A première vue, ton périple est beaucoup trop dense pour 11 jours.
Je zapperais Luang Namtha et Muang Sing qui t'obligerait à revenir sur tes pas .La boucle initialement prévue est bien assez chargée.
Pak Beng n'est qu'une "ville étape"si tu veux rejoindre Houey Sai par la piste ou Paklai et Vientiane par Hongsa et Xayabouri.Sinon, aucun intérêt.
Seras-tu en solo sur la FTR ou à 2 + bags?Prévois un équippement sérieux contre le froid.
En attendant ta réponse, je vais faire un découpage pour voir la faisabilité sans galérer.
A +, Lung.
A première vue, ton périple est beaucoup trop dense pour 11 jours.
Je zapperais Luang Namtha et Muang Sing qui t'obligerait à revenir sur tes pas .La boucle initialement prévue est bien assez chargée.
Pak Beng n'est qu'une "ville étape"si tu veux rejoindre Houey Sai par la piste ou Paklai et Vientiane par Hongsa et Xayabouri.Sinon, aucun intérêt.
Seras-tu en solo sur la FTR ou à 2 + bags?Prévois un équippement sérieux contre le froid.
En attendant ta réponse, je vais faire un découpage pour voir la faisabilité sans galérer.
A +, Lung.
Salut
Je reviens tout juste de mon periple dans le Nord. Un ami m a prete une Kwasaki 250cc a Luang Prabang. Voici l itineraire :
Luang Prabang - Udomxai Route tres bonne jusqu a Pakmong puis souvent en mauvais etat jusqu a Udomxai. Les paysages sont tres beaux.
Udomxai - Muang Khua Finalement je ne suis pas monte jusqu a Phongsali en moto. On m a dit que la route etait epouvantouble mais je redoutais surtout de ne pouvoir mettre la moto sur une pirogue. Tres bonne et belle route pour se rendre a Muang Khua.
Muang Khua - Phongsali - Muang Khua J ai donc laisse la moto a Muang Khua pour me rendre a Phongsali en bateau. Le trajet est superbe.
Muang Khua - Nong Khiaw La route Pakmong - Nong Khiaw est vraiment plaisante.
Nong Khiaw - Luang Prabang
Toujours un plaisir de rouler sur ces routes enchanteresses du Nord.
En janvier je vais me faire la boucle dans la region de Thakhet. Si tu as des infos...
Bonne route
Je reviens tout juste de mon periple dans le Nord. Un ami m a prete une Kwasaki 250cc a Luang Prabang. Voici l itineraire :
Luang Prabang - Udomxai Route tres bonne jusqu a Pakmong puis souvent en mauvais etat jusqu a Udomxai. Les paysages sont tres beaux.
Udomxai - Muang Khua Finalement je ne suis pas monte jusqu a Phongsali en moto. On m a dit que la route etait epouvantouble mais je redoutais surtout de ne pouvoir mettre la moto sur une pirogue. Tres bonne et belle route pour se rendre a Muang Khua.
Muang Khua - Phongsali - Muang Khua J ai donc laisse la moto a Muang Khua pour me rendre a Phongsali en bateau. Le trajet est superbe.
Muang Khua - Nong Khiaw La route Pakmong - Nong Khiaw est vraiment plaisante.
Nong Khiaw - Luang Prabang
Toujours un plaisir de rouler sur ces routes enchanteresses du Nord.
En janvier je vais me faire la boucle dans la region de Thakhet. Si tu as des infos...
Bonne route
Sabaidee,
de Oudom à Phongsali, c'est la piste de Xinxai à Ban Yo qui est dure aux poignets, beaucoup de pierres;sinon c'est du bon goudron comme pour aller à Muang Khua. Le principal, c'est que tu te sois éclaté dans cette belle nature. Pour info, peux-tu nous dire combien tu as payé cette année de Muang Khua à Hatsa? Ca peut en intéresser certains. Désolé, je ne suis jamais allé à Thakek à moto. Récemment, le + Sud, c'est Phonsavan-Pakxan par la piste avant de retraverser en Thailande.
A +, Lung.
de Oudom à Phongsali, c'est la piste de Xinxai à Ban Yo qui est dure aux poignets, beaucoup de pierres;sinon c'est du bon goudron comme pour aller à Muang Khua. Le principal, c'est que tu te sois éclaté dans cette belle nature. Pour info, peux-tu nous dire combien tu as payé cette année de Muang Khua à Hatsa? Ca peut en intéresser certains. Désolé, je ne suis jamais allé à Thakek à moto. Récemment, le + Sud, c'est Phonsavan-Pakxan par la piste avant de retraverser en Thailande.
A +, Lung.
De Muang Khua à Hatsa, le prix du bateau est de 105 000 Kip.
Comme à chaque ce fut un régal. Surtout que dans l'ensemble j'ai eu du beau temps. En janvier : Thakhet et sa magnifique petite boucle de 4 jours. J'avais voulu la faire il y a 5 ans, j'avais une Wave chinoise, la route était tellement pourrie que j'ai cassée la fourche le premier jour. Mais une soudure n'a pas tenue.
Si tu passes au Laos fais moi signe. 😉
Comme à chaque ce fut un régal. Surtout que dans l'ensemble j'ai eu du beau temps. En janvier : Thakhet et sa magnifique petite boucle de 4 jours. J'avais voulu la faire il y a 5 ans, j'avais une Wave chinoise, la route était tellement pourrie que j'ai cassée la fourche le premier jour. Mais une soudure n'a pas tenue.
Si tu passes au Laos fais moi signe. 😉
Merci beaucoup Lung pour ta réponse,
nous sommes 2 sur la moto + bags.
tu parles du froid, à quel endroit fait-il vraiment froid, et quel degré fait-il ?
pour mon circuit initial, je te précise qu'en fait nous prenons la moto HONDA FTR à Vientiane et la quittons le 11ème jour à Luang Prabang.
Quel trajet nous conseillerais-tu ? c'est dommage de zapper Luang Nam Tha et Muang Sing ou pas ? Phongsali ou Muang Sing ? ni l'un ni l'autre ? je sais qu'il ne faut pas courir dans tous les sens mais voir le maximum du pays m'intéresse aussi. par contre si certains paysages sont similaires, effectivement il faudra faire des choix.
si de Muang Khua je vais à Luang Nam Tha en passant par la route Ban Bun Tai -ban Namaek -Na Toei (en zappant bien sûr Phongsali), je ferai donc une boucle en repartant de Luang Nam Tha jusqu'à Luang Prabang via Udomxai. Qu'en penses-tu ?une agence de Luang Prabang sollicite 193 $ pour le bateau de Nong Khiaw à Muang Khua. penses-tu que c'est correct ? en fait j'aimerais tellement pouvoir réserver à l'avance le bateau de Nong Khiaw à Muang Khua que je ne sais pas si je passe par une agence ou si je prends le risque de me présenter avec la moto à embarquer au risque d'être "débarquée".
merci par avance de ton aide
bonjour,
la boucle que tu as fait m'intéresse, de Luang Prabang à Udomxai, Muang Khua, phongsali, Nong Khiaw j'aimerais connaître le temps qu'il t'a fallu entre chaque étape et où as-tu dormi à chaque étape ? est-ce que l'étape à Phongsali "vaut le coup" ? dans l'attente du plaisir de te lire
la boucle que tu as fait m'intéresse, de Luang Prabang à Udomxai, Muang Khua, phongsali, Nong Khiaw j'aimerais connaître le temps qu'il t'a fallu entre chaque étape et où as-tu dormi à chaque étape ? est-ce que l'étape à Phongsali "vaut le coup" ? dans l'attente du plaisir de te lire
Salut
De Luang Prabang a Udomxay j ai mis environ 5 heures. De Udomxay a Muang Khua, 2 heures. Je suis aller a Phongsaly en bateau et non en moto. Muang Khua - Nong Khia 3 heures. C est une tres belle boucle.
Je fais en ce moment la boucle de 4 jours dans la region de Thakhet, c est magnifique !!!
De Luang Prabang a Udomxay j ai mis environ 5 heures. De Udomxay a Muang Khua, 2 heures. Je suis aller a Phongsaly en bateau et non en moto. Muang Khua - Nong Khia 3 heures. C est une tres belle boucle.
Je fais en ce moment la boucle de 4 jours dans la region de Thakhet, c est magnifique !!!
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I’d love to hear about your experiences—whether it’s Corsica (ideal duration, routes) or Norway (what’s realistic in 2 weeks on a bike). Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
I’ve got 15 days off in June and I’m pretty undecided about where to go for a motorcycle road trip. Two strong desires are pulling me in different directions: Corsica or Norway.
Corsica has been a dream of mine for a long time: legendary roads, stunning landscapes, a unique vibe, and the perfect mix of sea and mountains. At the same time, I’m wondering if 2 weeks might be *too much* for Corsica—risking feeling like I’ve seen it all too quickly, especially on a bike. Since I also have an extra week free in May, I could use that specifically for Corsica. Maybe splitting it into two trips would make more sense? If so, which routes or regions would be the most interesting to plan for a 7-day trip?
On the other hand, Norway is *super* appealing. The landscapes look incredible, totally different from anything I’ve experienced, and it’d be a real “wow” trip. I know 15 days is still short for such a vast country. Getting all the way to the North Cape seems pretty much impossible in that time, but I’m curious about what realistic routes could be planned.
So I’m wondering: Is it better to save Norway for next year, take 3 weeks off, and do it *properly*? Or are 15 days enough for a first amazing taste of the country?
I’d love to hear about your experiences—whether it’s Corsica (ideal duration, routes) or Norway (what’s realistic in 2 weeks on a bike). Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Hello,
I'm thinking of buying a used small motorcycle to travel around the country for a month and a half.
I've done this in other countries without putting the registration in my name—is that possible in Guinea given the apparently frequent checks, or do I have to go through the paperwork?
Thanks.
Hello,
My dream is to ride Route 66 by motorcycle. I have a disability—while I’m not in a wheelchair, my walking mobility is reduced.
The ideal scenario would be to have a motorcycle driver and ride as their passenger on an organized trip.
Are there any guides or services like this offered by travel agencies?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Hello,
I’ve got a plan with a friend to go on a motorcycle road trip in 2028 or 2029, starting in Santiago de Chile and ending in Ushuaia, for about a month.
Has anyone done a trip like this before, and what’s the best time of year?
I’ve heard there can be quite a bit of wind depending on the season.
Thanks for any tips!
Cheers,
PA
I'm seriously considering heading to Nepal to do some nice motorcycle loops... my goal is also to do the Kailash Yatra round trip from Kathmandu, in a small group with a guide, in May '26... but here's the thing—I'm solo! So if you're up for sharing a similar adventure, hit me up... Cheers, Frankoys
It's all in the title: I'm heading to Krabi soon and want to rent a scooter for a few weeks, but after reading comments about all kinds of scams, I'm reaching out to ask where and how (read: *the right way*) to rent one.
Thanks for your tips and advice.
Hello everyone! Like every year, a winter migration is on the horizon (revised plan): this time, it’ll be Dakar, or even Abidjan, via Morocco, Mauritania, and Senegal.
Looking for an experienced motorcyclist or pillion rider—small build preferred—on a GSA 1250 with a comfy seat and luggage setup, available from early November to late December 2025. I’d like to plan the trip together (important to me) to make sure we’re on the same wavelength.
Don’t hesitate to get in touch!
Didier
Hi everyone...
Looking for travel companions to ride from France to Senegal by motorcycle.
I’m Paul, 37, and I’ve already done a bit of riding in Morocco.
For now, I’m solo, riding a 1998 SUZUKI DR 650 with some basic gear to keep things smooth. I’ll have a tent so we can do a few nights under the stars. We’ll need to coordinate departure dates—"ideally in November."
I’m currently checking out routes to take. Any tips would be welcome! :)
Have a great day, everyone!!!!!
Looking for travel companions to ride from France to Senegal by motorcycle.
I’m Paul, 37, and I’ve already done a bit of riding in Morocco.
For now, I’m solo, riding a 1998 SUZUKI DR 650 with some basic gear to keep things smooth. I’ll have a tent so we can do a few nights under the stars. We’ll need to coordinate departure dates—"ideally in November."
I’m currently checking out routes to take. Any tips would be welcome! :)
Have a great day, everyone!!!!!
Hi there!
I’m heading to Vietnam and Laos with a buddy next week for a month. We’re thinking of renting motorbikes, especially to do the Ha Giang Loop. We don’t have an international license, just our Belgian one. Is that enough? If not, is it risky?
Thanks for the info! !
I’m heading to Vietnam and Laos with a buddy next week for a month. We’re thinking of renting motorbikes, especially to do the Ha Giang Loop. We don’t have an international license, just our Belgian one. Is that enough? If not, is it risky?
Thanks for the info! !
Hi there,
In January 2026, I’m planning a motorbike trip through northern Vietnam for 3–4 weeks.
Must-dos: Hanoi, RC4, Dien Bien Phu, and of course the must-see landscapes.
I’m looking for any great tips, ideas… and maybe even a riding partner.
Cheers
In January 2026, I’m planning a motorbike trip through northern Vietnam for 3–4 weeks.
Must-dos: Hanoi, RC4, Dien Bien Phu, and of course the must-see landscapes.
I’m looking for any great tips, ideas… and maybe even a riding partner.
Cheers
Hi everyone,
In November, we’re planning to do the Ha Giang loop and the RC4 by motorbike without a guide. 😎 We’re looking for a decent place to stay/rent in Ha Giang.
If anyone has any info, we’d be really interested.
Thanks in advance! 😉 Ladava
In November, we’re planning to do the Ha Giang loop and the RC4 by motorbike without a guide. 😎 We’re looking for a decent place to stay/rent in Ha Giang.
If anyone has any info, we’d be really interested.
Thanks in advance! 😉 Ladava
Hello! We’re planning a motorcycle trip that will include a visit to Auschwitz-Birkenau in June 2026.
We’re unsure (still debating) whether we should stay at a hotel on-site and get to the memorial with an Uber (leaving our bikes at the hotel) and book a guided tour, or base ourselves in Kraków and take a tour that includes transport.
One thing’s for sure—we’d prefer a guide in French since we don’t speak English 😅.
Could you share your experiences or advice? I understand we need to book online rather than on-site. Thanks in advance for your replies!
Could you share your experiences or advice? I understand we need to book online rather than on-site. Thanks in advance for your replies!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a road trip in Cuba and was wondering if there are any bike rental places (125/500cc) with reasonable rates—not the Harley rental places!
Thanks for your help. Wave of headlights! !
I’m planning a road trip in Cuba and was wondering if there are any bike rental places (125/500cc) with reasonable rates—not the Harley rental places!
Thanks for your help. Wave of headlights! !
Hello,
Next October we’re planning to ride the Ruta de la Plata by motorcycle—a historic Spanish route that runs from Gijón to Seville, also known as the N630.
Has anyone here already ridden it?
Unfortunately, I’m worried that parts of the N630 may have disappeared or merged with the A66 motorway, forcing us to ride long stretches of highway, which we’d rather avoid.
Thanks in advance for any tips or details about this route!