Traversée de la Loire à vélo?
by Riton41
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour à tous 😉
est ce que quelqu'un pourrez m'informer comment je pourrais faire pour traverser la loire en vélo.
je ne veux pas prendre le pont de st nazaire mais rentrer dans les terres en suivant la loire pour pouvoir prendre un bateau.
si quelqu'un connait bien la région n'hésite pas.
De plus à l'endroit où je vais prendre le bateau je souhaiterai dormir dans un camping pour pouvoir reprendre le bac le matin et repartir en vélo en direction de ST brévins.
je suis avec mon fils adolescent donc il ne faut pas que j'ai trop de kilomètre entre le camping et l'endroit du bac de passage.
je prends tous les renseignements possibles
merci à tous
si vous avez pas de réponse à vos messages pas de panique je pars en déplacement pdt 3 à 4 jours mais je vous repondrai plus tard
Salut!
Tu veux passer nord sud ou sud nord?
C'est vrai que le pont de St Nazaire c'est pas la joie 😕 en vélo: dénivelée important et surtout au ras des bagnoles. Et si la montée se fait sur 2 voies, la descente, elle, est sur une voie et permet ainsi aux automobilistes en délire de te titiller le porte bagages de très très près 🤪 ...
Pour les bacs de Loire, tu peux passer à Indret (La Montagne) - Basse-Indre et au Pellerin - Coueron, deux bacs donc, le passage est gratuit tant pour les vélos que pour les bagnoles.
Un circuit sympa d'une 20aine de km peut être: embarquement à Indret, arrivée à Basse-Indre, suivre le quai sur la gauche, vers l'aval, et rejoindre après la butte la D107, direction Coueron, route assez passante mais avec des bas-côtés fort larges, à Coueron suivre les flèches Le Pellerin par le bac, embarquer au Paradis (si si c'est le nom du lieu-dit où est l'embarcadère, quand j'étais petit, on allait souvent en bateau boire un café au Paradis). Au Pellerin, on peut visiter les petites rues au-dessus des quais, et voir les grosses maisons des architectes du Canal de La Martinière. Après, tu files le long de la Loire vers la gauche, une petite route longe le fleuve au bout des quais, puis remonte vers La Télindière. Puis sur la grosse route à gauche, direction La Montagne, passage devant la charmante petite chapelle de Bethleem, St Jean de Boiseau, puis La Montagne et Indret. Une belle excursion pas trop fréquentée de bagnoles à se faire en famille, qui plus est agrémentée de deux traversées maritimes!
Le plus proche camping, et fort sympathique, est celui du Migron, à Frossay, duquel on peut facilement partir en vadrouille le long du Canal de La Martinière, la partie (presque) finale de la Loire à vélo. Il est municipal, et sans doute ouvert que l'été. Ca te met à 16 km (que du plat) du Pellerin. A Cordemais aussi, un camping que je ne connais pas, ainsi qu'à St Etienne de Montluc (12km de Coueron, itinéraire plat par le marais Audubon, joli joli, et des observatoires à cigognes).
Pour plus amples renseignements (c'est chez moi, et j'aime bien parler de chez moi!), tu peux m'envoyer un MP!
ThiBo
Tu veux passer nord sud ou sud nord?
C'est vrai que le pont de St Nazaire c'est pas la joie 😕 en vélo: dénivelée important et surtout au ras des bagnoles. Et si la montée se fait sur 2 voies, la descente, elle, est sur une voie et permet ainsi aux automobilistes en délire de te titiller le porte bagages de très très près 🤪 ...
Pour les bacs de Loire, tu peux passer à Indret (La Montagne) - Basse-Indre et au Pellerin - Coueron, deux bacs donc, le passage est gratuit tant pour les vélos que pour les bagnoles.
Un circuit sympa d'une 20aine de km peut être: embarquement à Indret, arrivée à Basse-Indre, suivre le quai sur la gauche, vers l'aval, et rejoindre après la butte la D107, direction Coueron, route assez passante mais avec des bas-côtés fort larges, à Coueron suivre les flèches Le Pellerin par le bac, embarquer au Paradis (si si c'est le nom du lieu-dit où est l'embarcadère, quand j'étais petit, on allait souvent en bateau boire un café au Paradis). Au Pellerin, on peut visiter les petites rues au-dessus des quais, et voir les grosses maisons des architectes du Canal de La Martinière. Après, tu files le long de la Loire vers la gauche, une petite route longe le fleuve au bout des quais, puis remonte vers La Télindière. Puis sur la grosse route à gauche, direction La Montagne, passage devant la charmante petite chapelle de Bethleem, St Jean de Boiseau, puis La Montagne et Indret. Une belle excursion pas trop fréquentée de bagnoles à se faire en famille, qui plus est agrémentée de deux traversées maritimes!
Le plus proche camping, et fort sympathique, est celui du Migron, à Frossay, duquel on peut facilement partir en vadrouille le long du Canal de La Martinière, la partie (presque) finale de la Loire à vélo. Il est municipal, et sans doute ouvert que l'été. Ca te met à 16 km (que du plat) du Pellerin. A Cordemais aussi, un camping que je ne connais pas, ainsi qu'à St Etienne de Montluc (12km de Coueron, itinéraire plat par le marais Audubon, joli joli, et des observatoires à cigognes).
Pour plus amples renseignements (c'est chez moi, et j'aime bien parler de chez moi!), tu peux m'envoyer un MP!
ThiBo
JE TE REMERCIE
je veux passer de st nazaire à éventuellement couéron et passer le bac direction st brévin les pins. en tout cas tes rens sont utiles pour l'instant toute les routes que tu me dis sint vagues mais avec une carte j'y verrais plus clair.
au niveau équipement, je suis avec une remorque large de deux enfants donc sécurité oblige.
sinon si un jours tu veux des rens via la normandie ou le loir et cher n'hésite pas
à plus
Salut!
Je ne comprends pas : il n'y a pas de bac à St Nazaire. Le bac le plus en aval est à une 40aine de km dans les terres, à à peu près 30 km de Nantes. Pas du tout au bout de l'estuaire donc! A la place du Pont de St Naz, donc, il y a... le pont de St Naz... 😐
Je ne comprends pas : il n'y a pas de bac à St Nazaire. Le bac le plus en aval est à une 40aine de km dans les terres, à à peu près 30 km de Nantes. Pas du tout au bout de l'estuaire donc! A la place du Pont de St Naz, donc, il y a... le pont de St Naz... 😐
oui je ne t'ai pas dit mais j'arrive de la turballe pour faire étape à st nazaire puis aprés st brévin mais je fais l'étape st naz st brévin en 2 voir 3 jours suivant le nombre de kilomètre qui vont me séparer st naz au bac.
en moyenne je fais 60 km/jour pour mon fils.
j'espère que tu vas arriver à me comprendre
à plus
Alors, sur cette carte, tu vois très clairement les 2 bacs sus mentionnés. Le trajet La Turballe Coueron Le Pellerin St Brévin fait dans les 120 km, sans grosse difficulté, tu peux donc le faire en deux jours. Et le camping de Cordemais me semble indiqué pour faire halte, même si la vue sur la centrale thermique ne doit pas être des plus réjouissantes... 😕 En tous cas ça a le mérite d'être exactement à mi-chemin...
Voilà, bonne balade!
Voilà, bonne balade!
Allo Riton,
Je ferai de Blois à Anger et les environs à vélo en Septembre. Ma première nuit est à Blois donc j'arriverai par le TGV à St-Pierre des corps. Toi qui habites Blois j'aimerais te demander s'il y a un transport facile comme un shuttle entre St-Pierre des corps et Blois. Quelle est la distance entre ces deux villes? Aussi, je ne voudrais rien manquer alors si tu pouvais me dire ce qu'il faut voir et visiter à Blois ainsi que les bons restos j'apprécierais beaucoup!
Thanks, j'ai bien hâte de visiter ce petit coin de pays!!!!
Je ferai de Blois à Anger et les environs à vélo en Septembre. Ma première nuit est à Blois donc j'arriverai par le TGV à St-Pierre des corps. Toi qui habites Blois j'aimerais te demander s'il y a un transport facile comme un shuttle entre St-Pierre des corps et Blois. Quelle est la distance entre ces deux villes? Aussi, je ne voudrais rien manquer alors si tu pouvais me dire ce qu'il faut voir et visiter à Blois ainsi que les bons restos j'apprécierais beaucoup!
Thanks, j'ai bien hâte de visiter ce petit coin de pays!!!!
Rosalie
bonjour
de st pierre des corps à blois tu as le train environ une demie heure
la distance est de 50 km, ce train suit la loire en passant par amboise
tu dois avoir des trains toute les 30 minutes
Pour les visites: tu as le chateau, les jardins de l'évécher avec la cathedrale , l'ancienne ville qui se trouve en contrebas du chateau il faut que tu restes au alentour du centre ville.
pour les restau cela dépend de ton budget pour un repas parce que blois est assez cher touristes obliges!!!!!!!!!
Merci pour l'information... Au lieu de dire touristes obliges moi je dirais le touriste c'est l'occasion!😉
bye bye🙂
bye bye🙂
Rosalie
Salut à tous,
POUR LA LOIRE:
Je ne suis pas complètement d'accord avec toi Thibo, je trouve que traverser le pont de Saint-Nazaire en vélo c'est une chose à essayer, car ça ne se fait pas tous les jours, encore moins pour un visiteur de la région. Je l'ai fait seul une fois (N-S et S-N (aller-retour)) et ça ne m'a pas déplu : impréssionnant la hauteur en vélo quand on regarde derrière que qu'on vient de faire une fois en haut du pont, dire que maintenant c'est la descente^^, bonne vue sur le fleuve et Saint-Nazaire... Je trouve ça super. M'enfin bon, il ne faut pas non plus le traverser pendant les heures de pointes quand on sait qu'il y a des ralentissements assez importants (d'où le fait qu'on irait plus vite en vélo que les véhicules motorisés en descente qui pourrait être un peu dangereux si l'on ne contrôle pas sa vitesse) et aussi regarder la météo avant : s'ils prévoient de la flotte (même peu), du vent (+40km/h) et d'autres phénomènes dangereux possibles, il est évident qu'il faut éviter de le prendre. La montée est dure, peut être fait à pied à condition que la personne marche sur le trottoir étroit et que le vélo roule à coté sur la route (à droite des bandes blanches) si possible avec la lumière arrière d'allumée. La descente se fait à vélo bien sûr, mais faîtes attention à la fin du pont (limite entre pont et voies 2x2) : serrer à droite sinon trous... /!\ sans pédaler il est possible d'arriver à 45 km/h donc faites attention quand même (repérer les limites à la montée ;) )
Pour ceux ne voulant vraiment pas utiliser le pont de Saint-Nazaire, la prochaine traversée de la Loire se fait sur bateau (de Couëron au Pellerin) ou un peu plus loin de Indre à La Montagne (gratuit, toutes les 15-20min). Mais honnêtement si c'est pour revenir sur la côte ça ne vaut pas le coup... Il faudrait compter au moins 70km de plus.
A vous de voir, à vous de juger votre route.
Bonne route!!
POUR LA LOIRE:
Je ne suis pas complètement d'accord avec toi Thibo, je trouve que traverser le pont de Saint-Nazaire en vélo c'est une chose à essayer, car ça ne se fait pas tous les jours, encore moins pour un visiteur de la région. Je l'ai fait seul une fois (N-S et S-N (aller-retour)) et ça ne m'a pas déplu : impréssionnant la hauteur en vélo quand on regarde derrière que qu'on vient de faire une fois en haut du pont, dire que maintenant c'est la descente^^, bonne vue sur le fleuve et Saint-Nazaire... Je trouve ça super. M'enfin bon, il ne faut pas non plus le traverser pendant les heures de pointes quand on sait qu'il y a des ralentissements assez importants (d'où le fait qu'on irait plus vite en vélo que les véhicules motorisés en descente qui pourrait être un peu dangereux si l'on ne contrôle pas sa vitesse) et aussi regarder la météo avant : s'ils prévoient de la flotte (même peu), du vent (+40km/h) et d'autres phénomènes dangereux possibles, il est évident qu'il faut éviter de le prendre. La montée est dure, peut être fait à pied à condition que la personne marche sur le trottoir étroit et que le vélo roule à coté sur la route (à droite des bandes blanches) si possible avec la lumière arrière d'allumée. La descente se fait à vélo bien sûr, mais faîtes attention à la fin du pont (limite entre pont et voies 2x2) : serrer à droite sinon trous... /!\ sans pédaler il est possible d'arriver à 45 km/h donc faites attention quand même (repérer les limites à la montée ;) )
Pour ceux ne voulant vraiment pas utiliser le pont de Saint-Nazaire, la prochaine traversée de la Loire se fait sur bateau (de Couëron au Pellerin) ou un peu plus loin de Indre à La Montagne (gratuit, toutes les 15-20min). Mais honnêtement si c'est pour revenir sur la côte ça ne vaut pas le coup... Il faudrait compter au moins 70km de plus.
A vous de voir, à vous de juger votre route.
Bonne route!!
Re,
En ce qui conserne les campings sur Nantes, je n'y sait pas grand chose, mais je vous conseille de vous rendre sur la cote (Saint-Brévin, Noirmoutier, Pornic, Pornichet etc...) où le nombre de campings est grandiose et plus sympathique. Vous avez de tous les choix, emplacements géographique agréable (côte, Saint-Nazaire, Brière etc... à visiter) même si vous êtes en vélo prenez plusieurs campings, gérez votre séjour^^
Voilà
En ce qui conserne les campings sur Nantes, je n'y sait pas grand chose, mais je vous conseille de vous rendre sur la cote (Saint-Brévin, Noirmoutier, Pornic, Pornichet etc...) où le nombre de campings est grandiose et plus sympathique. Vous avez de tous les choix, emplacements géographique agréable (côte, Saint-Nazaire, Brière etc... à visiter) même si vous êtes en vélo prenez plusieurs campings, gérez votre séjour^^
Voilà
Bonjour cousine,
J'ai fait le trajet en sens inverse l'an passé, Nantes St Pierre des Corps, et une autre fois les environs de Blois. Profite de ce beau coin de France, tu vas t'en mettre plein les mirettes !!!
J'ai quelques cartes en pdf avec plein d'infos pratiques, hébergements etc... Je peux te passer ça par couriel si ça t'intérresse bien sur !
Pour les trains entre St Pierre et Blois http://www.ter-sncf.com/Images/ligne%205%201A3_tcm8-36791.pdf Pour ce qui est du vélo, tous les trains ne sont pas très pratiques, à l'époque j'ai fait Grenoble St Pierre des corps avec plusieurs changements. j'ai failli craquer 🏴☠️.
Demande au chef de gare ou au contrôleur ou se trouve le wagon adapté, ça t'éviteras des remarques désobligenates... Je crois que la signalétique a été améliorée, un gros autocolant sur la porte du wagon spécial vélo.
Pour le clin d'oeil, à La Chaussée St Victor un très bon restau avec de la bière Québécoise, lolll, j'ai aussi d'autres bonnes adresses à dispsition.
Bonne ballade, si je peux encore être utile ce sera avec le plus grand plaisir.
J'ai fait le trajet en sens inverse l'an passé, Nantes St Pierre des Corps, et une autre fois les environs de Blois. Profite de ce beau coin de France, tu vas t'en mettre plein les mirettes !!!
J'ai quelques cartes en pdf avec plein d'infos pratiques, hébergements etc... Je peux te passer ça par couriel si ça t'intérresse bien sur !
Pour les trains entre St Pierre et Blois http://www.ter-sncf.com/Images/ligne%205%201A3_tcm8-36791.pdf Pour ce qui est du vélo, tous les trains ne sont pas très pratiques, à l'époque j'ai fait Grenoble St Pierre des corps avec plusieurs changements. j'ai failli craquer 🏴☠️.
Demande au chef de gare ou au contrôleur ou se trouve le wagon adapté, ça t'éviteras des remarques désobligenates... Je crois que la signalétique a été améliorée, un gros autocolant sur la porte du wagon spécial vélo.
Pour le clin d'oeil, à La Chaussée St Victor un très bon restau avec de la bière Québécoise, lolll, j'ai aussi d'autres bonnes adresses à dispsition.
Bonne ballade, si je peux encore être utile ce sera avec le plus grand plaisir.
Vivre ses rêves et non rêver sa vie!
Oui, j'aimerais bien partager avec toi de nos projets futurs ... Voudrais-tu qu'on s'échange nos e-mails?
au plaisir🙂
au plaisir🙂
Rosalie
Bonjour cher cousin,
Merci pour les renseignements... ahhh, tu as d'autres bonnes adresses!!! J'aimerais bien les avoir!
J'adore ta citation: Vivre ses rêves et non rêver sa vie!
Pas mal du tout de penser ainsi monsieur! 😉
au plaisir,
Merci pour les renseignements... ahhh, tu as d'autres bonnes adresses!!! J'aimerais bien les avoir!
J'adore ta citation: Vivre ses rêves et non rêver sa vie!
Pas mal du tout de penser ainsi monsieur! 😉au plaisir,
Rosalie
Bonsoir cousine,
Le temps de rafraichir ma mémoire... et je t'envoie ça!
En matière de bonnes adresses mes goûts sont comme la météo, assez variable... Et comme le change ne te sera guère favorable je vais tâcher de sélectionner à prix serré. Mais on a qu'une vie et parfois ça vaut le coup de casser sa tirelire !!!
Merci pour la citation, elle n'est pas de moi... mais depuis quelques années c'est ma façon de vivre.
A très bientôt.
Le temps de rafraichir ma mémoire... et je t'envoie ça!
En matière de bonnes adresses mes goûts sont comme la météo, assez variable... Et comme le change ne te sera guère favorable je vais tâcher de sélectionner à prix serré. Mais on a qu'une vie et parfois ça vaut le coup de casser sa tirelire !!!
Merci pour la citation, elle n'est pas de moi... mais depuis quelques années c'est ma façon de vivre.
A très bientôt.
Vivre ses rêves et non rêver sa vie!
bonjour
je prépare mon périple a velo de st guenole, pointe sud de la bretagne jusqu a lyon
j ai une hésitation sur l itinéraire a partir de nevers ou un peu avant:
1. quitter la loire vers chatillon sur loire pour rejoindre le canal du nivernais a clamecy jusqu a decize ou rester sur l itineraire la loire a velo ou encore prendre le canal lateral mais ca a pas l air top de l avis quasi général
2.une fois a digoin, prendre le canal jusqu a roanne (et puis?) ou bien rejoindre paray le monial cluny etc ca je connais un peu
j ai un vélo type vtc, peut être une petite remorque pour le chat (ou sacoche avant) sinon deux sacoches a l arrière voila merci de vos infos je glane ici et la sur plusieurs sites et c est un plaisir beaux voyages vive la liberté et le partage joannah et merlin
j ai un vélo type vtc, peut être une petite remorque pour le chat (ou sacoche avant) sinon deux sacoches a l arrière voila merci de vos infos je glane ici et la sur plusieurs sites et c est un plaisir beaux voyages vive la liberté et le partage joannah et merlin
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I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires. I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time). I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral. I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough? And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
Nath
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Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
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I wanted to share with you the incredible feat my friend José, who’s 72 years old, is currently undertaking. He left Auterive near Toulouse on Monday, May 18, 2026, on his non-electric bike, heading for the North Cape in Norway!
You can follow his route on the link below—he’s currently in Sweden:
https://thierry-thomas.travelmap.net/jose-de-toulouse-a-nord-cap-2026
You can zoom in on the map and click on each stopover town to see the photos
Hi there!
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hi, I'm looking for a Pino tandem bike for sale in Quebec and I can't find any. Does anyone have any info, please? Thanks a bunch!
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
hey everyone,
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
A shout-out to a cycling colleague from Savoie
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php

The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php


The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Tout d'abord... bonne année ! De belles routes à vous en 2017 !
Je voyage depuis quelques années avec un VTT de très bonne qualité mais équipé de freins à disques hydrauliques. Je vis (pédale) avec l'inquiétude d'avoir une panne (fuite, bulle d'air, chaleur qui fait que le liquide...). Mon vélociste me dit qu'il est impossible de les changer pour des V brakes.
Qu'en pensez-vous ? Est-ce que je prends un gros risque à continuer (seule) avec ces freins ? D'avance je vous remercie pour vos bonnes idées.
Hi everyone,
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Hi there,
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Hi there,
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Hi! I’m planning to visit the Stockholm Archipelago by bike in early April.
Do you know if the boats will be running between the different islands at that time of year? For those who’ve already been, all your tips and recommendations are welcome—accommodation, etc. Also, do you know where I can rent a bike in Stockholm? Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hello there, pedal-powered Young Boys!
Claudio (still from Faverges)
dreaming about a cycling getaway in Italy from Faverges (train all the way to Turin)
from Turin down to Venice along the Po River and back via the Padana (Alta Italia da attraversare – Northern Italy to cross)
The tricky part is getting from Chioggia to Venice.
I read it’s possible by hopping on a boat from island to island,
but it sounds a bit stressful.
Has anyone already tackled this route?
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio

Hi there,
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!
Calling all travelers.
We’ll be landing at Lyon Airport and want to bike to La Verpillière train station (with panniers and camping gear, etc.) to catch a TER to Voreppe.
What’s the safest route for this bike trip?
Thanks in advance
hi,
I'm planning a recumbent bike trip from the Pyrenees to Greece. On the EuroVelo 8 route, it doesn't specify the path through the Alps.
Are there any experienced cyclists here who can tell me where they go to avoid climbing too high?
Also, is there another traveler/bike forum better suited for broadening the responses?
thanks