Itinéraire entre Ullapool et Grantown-on-Spey? (Écosse)
by Marcalamar
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonsoir 🙂
J'ai des problèmes pour établir mon itinéraire pour l'étape " Ullopool - Grantown on Spey" en passant par le Loch Ness (rive Ouest puis rive Est)
Comme on nous a conseillé d'acheter la carte routière directement en Ecosse plutôt qu'en France (plus récente et plus précise) je n'en ai pas et sur internet ou les guides les cartes sont soit morcélées et il manque des tronçons ou bien les cartes sont entières mais les petites villes ne sont pas mentionnées
D'Inverness à Grantown pas de soucis hormis une petite précision, je ne pense pas avoir besoin de descendre jusqu'à Aviemore pour aller de Carrbridge à Grantoown : l'A 998 semble y aller directement
Par contre pour arriver au Loch Ness je bataille mais je n'avance pas .
J'ai vu qu'i fallait prendre la A835 au départ mais ensuite est ce qu'il faut obligatoirement passer par Inverness ou bien peut on faire un contournement par Contin, Muir of Ord, Beauly, Milton pour arriver à Drumnadrochit.
Et pareil pour le retour par la rive Est du loch Ness faut il remonter jusqu'à Inverness et prendre la A9 vers Grantown ou bien peut prendre les petites routes à partir de Dores
Je ne sais pas du tout comment sont ces petites routes : peut être met on encore plus de temps qu'en faisant le detour par Inverness
Si quelqu'un pouvait me repondre ce serait sympa
Merci d'avance
Marcalamar
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Bonjour,
Je ne suis pas sûre de pouvoir répondre précisément mais voici quelques infos. Et surtout, tout d'abord, un site vraiment utile pour faire ses trajets dans les îles britanniques : http://www.theaa.com/route-planner/index.jsp Kilométrage, trajet, durée, tout y est. C'est un organisme assez connu et renommé en Grande-Bretagne qui fait ça.
Sinon, pour répondre à la question, une petite légende d'abord. Sur ma carte, il y a 4 types de routes : Les vertes : belles routes principales, où on roule très bien, genre nos nationales. Les rouges : on y roule bien aussi en général mais les routes sont souvent moins droites, et globalement, c'est moins rapide que sur une verte. Les jaunes : c'est souvent plus tortueux, on y roule plus lentement que sur une rouge. Les blanches : les (nombreuses) petites routes de campagne, souvent à une voie.
De Inverness à Grayton-on-Spey, il y a la A9, en effet, qui est une belle route verte, avec des tronçons à double voie (en fait, c'est en gros la A835 qui devient A9 avant Inverness). Peu avant le village de Carrbridge, on peut prendre la A938, une route rouge, ou continuer un peu plus loin sur la A9 pour récupérer la A95 qui est une route verte. A mon avis, la différence de temps ne doit pas être énorme, mais des fois, ça vaut le coup de faire ce qui semble être un détour sur la carte car c'est plus rapide et/ou plus reposant (une belle route verte bien droite VS une route rouge tortueuse derrière un tracteur). A voir sur place et selon l'envie du moment, je pense.
Pour le Loch Ness, il y a deux routes qui en font le tour. La A82, qui est une belle route verte. Et une fois qu'on est arrivé à l'autre bout, on peut faire le chemin en sens inverse sur l'autre rive, avec la B852, qui est une route jaune avec des tronçons en "passing places", donc des passages où la route est à une voie, avec des zones pour laisser passer celui qui arrive en face (ou qui est plus rapide derrière). Les passing places, c'est quelque chose d'assez fréquent en Ecosse. Bien entendu, la route jaune, pour le même nombre de km environ, prend beaucoup plus de temps que la verte. Mais elle est moins fréquentée, et les passing places permettent de s'arrêter plus facilement pour voir le paysage. Drumnadrochit est sur la route verte. Il n'y a pas de route directe entre Ullapool et Drumnadrochit. Il faut passer soit par Inverness au nord, soit par Fort Augustus au sud (dans ce cas, on arrive via la A87, après être passé par, globalement, la côté ouest, île de Skye etc., routes rouges, vertes, voire jaunes, c'est très joli mais c'est plus long). Et pour info, côté route verte, il y a beaucoup d'arbres sur les rives du loch, donc on n'y voit pas grand chose. Côté route jaune, je ne sais pas, je l'ai faite il y a beaaaucoup trop longtemps pour m'en souvenir. Quand on arrive du côté de Fort Augustus, on peut avoir une belle vue sur le loch. Je ne conseille pas le "musée" de Drumnadrochit, "Loch Ness Centre" je crois : il est cher, on le visite rapidement pour atterrir dans la boutique à souvenirs. J'ai eu l'impression de m'être fait avoir par un piège à touristes.
La A835 est une route verte. Elle passe de toute façon à Contin (et il n'y a pas d'autre route). Par contre, j'aurais tendance à continuer sur la A835 vers Keithtown, Conon Bridge, et Tore (à Tore, elle devient la A9, verte à double voie), car c'est probablement plus rapide que passer par Muir of Ord et Beauly via la A832 puis A862, qui sont des routes rouges. Le "carrefour" entre ces deux trajets se situe peu après Contin. Ensuite, c'est une question de temps, d'envie, et "j'en ai marre ou pas de conduire".
Question carte, nous, on a acheté la nôtre dans le sud de l'Angleterre il y a quelques années. Pas besoin d'attendre d'être en Ecosse si vous passez par l'Angleterre avant. Sinon, pour rallier l'Ecosse sans traverser toute l'Angleterre, il y a un bateau qui part de Zeebrugge, en Belgique, pour rallier Hull (Kingston-upon-Hull, c'est encore l'Angleterre, mais on n'est plus très loin de l'Ecosse), ou plus au nord (Aberdeen, Edimbourg, je ne sais plus). C'est P&O. Le trajet se fait de nuit. On a fait ça. C'est pas mal, plus rapide, et pas forcément beaucoup plus cher que faire le même le trajet en voiture avec étapes en B&B.
Je ne suis pas sûre de pouvoir répondre précisément mais voici quelques infos. Et surtout, tout d'abord, un site vraiment utile pour faire ses trajets dans les îles britanniques : http://www.theaa.com/route-planner/index.jsp Kilométrage, trajet, durée, tout y est. C'est un organisme assez connu et renommé en Grande-Bretagne qui fait ça.
Sinon, pour répondre à la question, une petite légende d'abord. Sur ma carte, il y a 4 types de routes : Les vertes : belles routes principales, où on roule très bien, genre nos nationales. Les rouges : on y roule bien aussi en général mais les routes sont souvent moins droites, et globalement, c'est moins rapide que sur une verte. Les jaunes : c'est souvent plus tortueux, on y roule plus lentement que sur une rouge. Les blanches : les (nombreuses) petites routes de campagne, souvent à une voie.
De Inverness à Grayton-on-Spey, il y a la A9, en effet, qui est une belle route verte, avec des tronçons à double voie (en fait, c'est en gros la A835 qui devient A9 avant Inverness). Peu avant le village de Carrbridge, on peut prendre la A938, une route rouge, ou continuer un peu plus loin sur la A9 pour récupérer la A95 qui est une route verte. A mon avis, la différence de temps ne doit pas être énorme, mais des fois, ça vaut le coup de faire ce qui semble être un détour sur la carte car c'est plus rapide et/ou plus reposant (une belle route verte bien droite VS une route rouge tortueuse derrière un tracteur). A voir sur place et selon l'envie du moment, je pense.
Pour le Loch Ness, il y a deux routes qui en font le tour. La A82, qui est une belle route verte. Et une fois qu'on est arrivé à l'autre bout, on peut faire le chemin en sens inverse sur l'autre rive, avec la B852, qui est une route jaune avec des tronçons en "passing places", donc des passages où la route est à une voie, avec des zones pour laisser passer celui qui arrive en face (ou qui est plus rapide derrière). Les passing places, c'est quelque chose d'assez fréquent en Ecosse. Bien entendu, la route jaune, pour le même nombre de km environ, prend beaucoup plus de temps que la verte. Mais elle est moins fréquentée, et les passing places permettent de s'arrêter plus facilement pour voir le paysage. Drumnadrochit est sur la route verte. Il n'y a pas de route directe entre Ullapool et Drumnadrochit. Il faut passer soit par Inverness au nord, soit par Fort Augustus au sud (dans ce cas, on arrive via la A87, après être passé par, globalement, la côté ouest, île de Skye etc., routes rouges, vertes, voire jaunes, c'est très joli mais c'est plus long). Et pour info, côté route verte, il y a beaucoup d'arbres sur les rives du loch, donc on n'y voit pas grand chose. Côté route jaune, je ne sais pas, je l'ai faite il y a beaaaucoup trop longtemps pour m'en souvenir. Quand on arrive du côté de Fort Augustus, on peut avoir une belle vue sur le loch. Je ne conseille pas le "musée" de Drumnadrochit, "Loch Ness Centre" je crois : il est cher, on le visite rapidement pour atterrir dans la boutique à souvenirs. J'ai eu l'impression de m'être fait avoir par un piège à touristes.
La A835 est une route verte. Elle passe de toute façon à Contin (et il n'y a pas d'autre route). Par contre, j'aurais tendance à continuer sur la A835 vers Keithtown, Conon Bridge, et Tore (à Tore, elle devient la A9, verte à double voie), car c'est probablement plus rapide que passer par Muir of Ord et Beauly via la A832 puis A862, qui sont des routes rouges. Le "carrefour" entre ces deux trajets se situe peu après Contin. Ensuite, c'est une question de temps, d'envie, et "j'en ai marre ou pas de conduire".
Question carte, nous, on a acheté la nôtre dans le sud de l'Angleterre il y a quelques années. Pas besoin d'attendre d'être en Ecosse si vous passez par l'Angleterre avant. Sinon, pour rallier l'Ecosse sans traverser toute l'Angleterre, il y a un bateau qui part de Zeebrugge, en Belgique, pour rallier Hull (Kingston-upon-Hull, c'est encore l'Angleterre, mais on n'est plus très loin de l'Ecosse), ou plus au nord (Aberdeen, Edimbourg, je ne sais plus). C'est P&O. Le trajet se fait de nuit. On a fait ça. C'est pas mal, plus rapide, et pas forcément beaucoup plus cher que faire le même le trajet en voiture avec étapes en B&B.
Bonjour 🙂
Merci beaucoup pour le grand post que tu as pris le temps d'écrire pour me répondre et ce site génial , hyper bien fait et qui détaille tout. Je vais le mettre illico presto dans mes favoris. Je viens d'y jeter un coup d'oeil rapide et c'est tout à fait ce qui me manquait pour choisir l'itineraire. Je vais avoir une après midi studieuse à plancher sur mes étapes
Encore merci et bonne journée
Marcalamar 🙂
Ps nous arriverons par avion à Edimbourg où une voiture de location nous attendra
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De rien 🙂 Pour une fois, j'étais sur un forum, j'avais des infos et du temps devant moi !
AA est en effet très pratique. Je crois que c'est une association d'automobilistes à la base (d'où le AA). Ils font aussi des cartes routières, et ils attribuent des "macarons AA" pour les B&B, un peu comme les étoiles pour les hôtels. Ca peut aussi donner des idées lorsqu'on cherche un logement sur place.
En tout cas, bon voyage en Ecosse, c'est vraiment un pays magnifique !
AA est en effet très pratique. Je crois que c'est une association d'automobilistes à la base (d'où le AA). Ils font aussi des cartes routières, et ils attribuent des "macarons AA" pour les B&B, un peu comme les étoiles pour les hôtels. Ca peut aussi donner des idées lorsqu'on cherche un logement sur place.
En tout cas, bon voyage en Ecosse, c'est vraiment un pays magnifique !
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Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.) Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia Day 7: Ortigia Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?) Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
Hello,
we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?





