Nous prévoyons un voyage en Tanzanie à la mi / fin septembre de cette année. Comme de nombreux voyageurs, nous n 'arrivons pas à nous décider entre le nord et le sud de la Tanzanie. Visiblement les avis diverges...
Les deux semblent bien mais nous avons un peu peur du tourisme de "masse" dans le nord. A coté de ça, ne pas voir le Serengeti, Tarangire ni le Kilimanjaro semble être péché pour un premier voyage dans ce pays.
Nous prévoyons 12 à 15 jours mais aimerions également faire une étape au bord de l'océan indien (3-4 jours max). Là encore; gros dilemme : les côtes au sud de Dar Es Salaam ou Zanzibar.
Quelles sont selon vous les endroits à ne pas rater ?
quelle sont les distance (en heures) entre les parcs ?
J'espère que vous pourrez nous aider; les conseils de voyageurs ayant fait les deux pôles du pays; sont les bienvenus...
Les distances en heures entre les parcs dépendent du moyen de locomotion, avion (le moyen le plus courant dans le sud) ou automobile (le moyen le plus courant dans le nord).
Si tu veux être sûr de ne pas donner dans le tourisme de masse, choisis le sud, soit un programme classique, Selous-Ruaha ou Mikumi-Ruaha, soit pour vraiment fuir la foule, Mahale-Katavi, ou pour être dans l'exceptionnel un trekk Udzungwa combiné à un trekk Kitulo... Dans le nord, les parcs Rubondo Island, Mkomazi et même Arusha sont peu visités.
Pour la plage, le parc national de Saadani, bien sûr... Ou à la rigueur Mafia...
Juste pour compléter : il faut 2 jours pour rejoindre le sud depuis le nord en 4x4..., sur 12 jours, ça fait trop court.
Mafia c'est bien pour 3 jours, il y a quelques activités et c'est très calme... mais je ne connais pas Zanzibar ;-)
Si tu ne connais pas la Tanzanie, et si tu y vas fin Septembre, dans les parcs du Nord, il devrait y avoir peu de monde. et si tu fait en plus Manyara, Eyasi, Arusha, il n y aura pas grand monde. Bref moyen de faire calme sur les incontournables.
A suivre
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Merci à vous deux , j'espère que d'autres personnes donneront leurs avis.
Une fois de plus, je vois que les avis divergent. Il est évident que si nous choisissons de faire un mix entre le nord et le sud nous feront le trajet en avion. Lorsque que je demandais les distances je parlais principalement des distances entre les différents parcs du nord...
Je me demandais également si il était possible d'organiser seul son voyage en Tanzanie (sans agence ou tour opérateur ; enfin le moins possible) Ou alors agence et moins gourmande... ?
Je sais plus ou moins dans quelle lodges je veux aller, il me reste à trouver un contact pour les vols internes et les voyages entre le lodges. Mais tous cela ne me parait pas insurmontable. Je me suis rendu compte que les agences proposaient tous les même circuits ainsi que les même hébergements. Et malgré j'observe des différence de prix énorme... J'aimerais autant épargner la marge de l'agence pour en profiter plus dans mon voyage...
Si d'autres ont déjà pensé comme moi ; je vous écoute.
Tu as de fortes chances de trouver les mêmes prix, voir plus cher en réservant par toi même parce que les TO ont des remises dontils peuvent te faire bénéficier.
Si tu sais les lodges que tu veux, tu peux faire simple et pas plus cher en passant par une agence spécialisée sur la destination, pas un généraliste qui t'enverra trop à ton gout sur les classiques...
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Content qu'il y ai au moins une personne qui s'intéresse à mon projet :)
Je me doutais bien que quelqu'un me dirait que les agences ont des remises... Mais je suis parfois consterné lorsque je vois les prix affolant des circuits proposés.
Je vais néanmoins demander une proposition.
Pour ce qui est du circuit je me demandais si il était possible de combiner le sud et le nord. Je pensais faire quelque chose dans le style : Arusha - N'Gorongoro - Tarangire - Selous - Rhuara reste à voir si c'est possible dans le délais prévu. Voir surtout si c'est réalisable au niveau budget.
Tarangire et Ruaha font un peu "double emploi" vu le temps dont tu disposes. Combiner sud et nord n'est pas non plus très économique, liaison par avion impérative.
Un circuit nord Manyara, NCA avec Ndutu et Tarangire épargnerait ton porte-monnaie et t'éviterait de passer autant de temps en liaison qu'en game-drive. Le sud est plus cher : distances plus longues, donc aussi approvisionnement plus onéreux, moins de clients pour répartir les frais fixes, tout contribue à des prix plus élevés que dans le nord.
Traiter en direct est possible, il faut être parfaitement anglophone, motivé, patient, bien connaître les pièges (comme les sorties de parc à telle ou telle heure). Et être très confiant, parce qu'avec un voucher d'une agence, surtout une grosse, on a beaucoup plus de poids que comme "client individuel de passage qu'on ne reverra jamais"...
A la limite, je conseillerais plutôt une solution à la "Francky" mais ça nécessite bien plus de 12 jours.
Bah là, je ne vais pas beaucoup t'aider. La seule agence que je connais c'est BelAfrica, et en Tanzanie, on voit beaucoup de 4x4 de Corto Safari, mais il y en d'autres.
Mais gogol est ton ami...
Ici il y a plein de fils qui en parlent : http://voyageforum.com/forum/tanzanie/
Bernard a la gentillesse de me citer en référence, mais en 12 jours, avec du budget, le mieux c'est l'avion pour les liaisons si tu veux faire les partcs du sud.
à mon avis, si tu as des sous et que tu veux "consommer du parc", tu peux effectivment faire Serengenti - Ndutu (voir si c'est la bonne période par rapport aux migrations) + Ngoro , Manyara (joli parc) sur 6 - 7 jours, puis 3 jours à Selous (partie sud) puis Zanzibar si tu aimes la foule ou Mafia.
Peut être que tu nous raconteras en rentrant... 🙂
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Il est peut être nécessaire que je vous explique plus en détail le projet.
Nous partirions à 4 personnes : 1 jeune couple de 25 ans et 1 couple "un peu moins jeune" de 55 ans.
Pour les trois autres ce n'est pas un premier safari ; ils ont fait l'Afrique du Sud et le Kenya. Je suis le seul qui n'est a jamais mit les pieds en Afrique (hors Égypte et Maroc).
Nous disposons de +- 15j et le budget est correct. Nous pensions à un voyage de +-5000 eur par personne. (Si c'est moins ; tant mieux !)
Le gens avec qui je pars (en l'occurrence mes beaux parents) recherche toujours des vacances spéciale et loin de foule.
Nous fuyons tous les pièges à touristes, ainsi que les activités irréels qui servent à les distraire. Le recherche du vrai et de l'authenticité est clairement un but du voyage.
Mais pour ce qui est des fins de journées, nous aimons les passer dans des endroits vraiment exceptionnels ! Malheureusement ce qui est vraiment beau est vraiment cher (pas toujours mais souvent). C'est une "contrainte" que nous acceptons.
On ne doit pas être les seuls à aimer ça puisqu'il existe pas mal de lodges de luxe en Tanzanie.
Voila pour les contexte et nos envies ; et désolée si ça peut paraitre légèrement indiscret...
Comme je le disais plus haut ; nous aimerions faire un beau safari et 3 jours de plages.
Pour ce qui est de l'itinéraire nous avons du mal à nous mettre d'accord entre nous. certains ne veulent pas faire l'impasse sur le Nord, d'autres craignent qu'il y ai trop de touristes, ect. (Pas toujours évident de voyager nombreux...)
C'est pourquoi j'avais pensé combiner les deux mais il est clair que plus les distances sont longues et plus le budget va grimper...
Une autre chose qu'on veut éviter; c'est de passer plus de temps en voiture entre les parcs que dans les parcs...
Voyager sans agence ne me fais pas peur mais je me suis amusé à chiffrer un circuit similaire à celui d'une agence et la différence de prix est trop importante. Les agences négocie avec les lodges ou avec un contact sur place qui lui même négocie. Il est vrai qu'en tant que voyageur individuel j'ai peu de poids...
Lors de mon circuit au Maroc je suis parvenu a négocier en direct avec les hôtels et l'agences de location de voitures. Mais c'était infiniment moins complexe... Ici les lodges assurent les visites des parcs mais qui assure les transports entre les parcs ? Comment booker un vol intérieur sur un petit porteur ? Trouver les prix de tous ces services ? Négocier en direct avec les lodges me semble compliqué, il affichent tous des prix hallucinants... Je manque clairement de contacts...
Si quelqu'un a tout ce qu'il faut je suis preneur ... :)
Jusqu'à présent je suis arrivé à ceci : 1j Arusha - 1j Ngoro. - 1j Manyara - 2j Tarangire En reliant les trois parcs en voiture. Sur carte les distance ne semblent pas tellement énormes. Mais à confirmer...
Puis vol vers le Sud et 2j a Selous ou a Ruaha. Mais là encore gros dilemme...
Puis vol vers Zanzibar ou Saadani ou Mafia (je n'ai pas d'idées arrêtées sur ce sujet là et j'entends avec plaisir vos conseils sur la destination "plage"...)
Voila, je sais pas ce que vous en penser mais j'attends vos réactions ; vous me direz qu'avec ce programme on ne voit pas le Serengiti et c'est vrai. Mes co-voyageurs ayant fait le Masai Mara il y à quelque années sont prêt a faire cette impasse...
Je voudrais aussi vous interpelez pour ce qui est des prix pour le Sud Tanzanien ; au jour d'aujourd'hui les agences de voyages ont des prix assez similaires pour le sud comme pour le nord. Peut être était-ce différents quand vous y êtes allé mais je n'ai pas pu observer une différence flagrante...
Merci d'avance à vous deux pour votre aide et à très bientôt j'espère.
Bonjour Macecchini
Dernièrement, ma soeur et moi avons offert un safari de luxe à ma mère et son compagnon au mois de mars dernier :
Ils ont eu un 4x4 pour eux tout seuls avec guide francophone (4x4 Land Cruiser à toit ouvrant , en très bon état et disposant de radio VHF, glacière, eau en bouteille, nécessaire à thé et café , jumelles)
Ils ont été hébergés soit en super lodges, tented camp ou guest house de charme toujours très bien situés
Avec au programme :
Jour 1, vol Toulouse / Bordeaux - Kilimanjaro
Jour 2, Arusha - Tarangire
Jour 3, Tarangire - Ngorongoro
Jour 4, Cratère du Ngorongoro
Jour 5, Ndutu
Jour 6, Serengeti
Jour 7, Serengeti - Manyara
Jour 8 , Manyara - Zanzibar
Jour 9 à 13, Zanzibar
Jour 14, Vol retour vers la France
Le tout pour 4400 euros par personne (hors assurance) comprenant aussi les billets d'avion, la plupart des repas et entrée des parcs, et quand on connait les tarifs des parcs !
C'était leur première fois en Afrique, et n'étant pas sûr de pouvoir y retourner, on a tapé dans la prestation de gamme et on a assuré avec Bel Africa, mais on ne regrette pas car c'est pour eux un souvenir fabuleux et un rêve de toujours qui s'est enfin réalisé !
Pour ma part, je suis en train d'organiser mon propre séjour en juin, en Tanzanie aussi ( Nord + un peu de Sud ) mais pour 3 semaines, en voyageur indépendant. Mais l'avantage, c'est que j'ai mon propre véhicule sur place ! 😉
Donc je connais les 2 facettes de ce type de séjour. Eh bien quand je vois combien ça va couter alors qu'on va se contenter de camper dans les public campsites je trouve finalement que la prestation de Bel Africa n'est pas si chère que ça, et c'est vrai qu'en individuel on n'a pas les mêmes tarifs pour les lodges et Cie.
Comme vous êtes 4, vous pouvez vous (faire) organiser un safari privé à la carte sans problème.
A voir, si on parle un peu anglais et qu'on a envie de batailler, c'est de traiter directement avec les agences locales réceptives qui travaillent avec les agences (re)connues, faire son programme et prendre ses billets d'avion. Peut-être qu'on s'y retrouve.
Si vous n'avez pas envie de vous embeter avec tout ça et que vous avez plus de budget, des agences comme Bel Africa sont idéales et vous concocteront un programme aux petits oignons.
Si vous avez envie d'aller dans le Sud, ça va vous prendre du temps et des pistes pas terribles, en tout cas si elles sont comme celle de Iringa - Dodoma - Arusha et c'est au moins 2 jours de voiture à chaque fois donc avion indispensable pour caser sur 16 jours !
A bientôt
Nadine,
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Tout d'abord je salue la qualité des interventions qui précèdent, auxquelles je me permets d'ajouter une ou deux réflexions.
Tes choix me paraissent bien pour le nord, Nathan, et l'impasse sur le Serengeti est une décision que je peux comprendre, rien ne sert de courir les grands espaces si on manque un peu de temps.
Pense quand même bien à l'enchaînement des parcs, avec les contraintes des heures d'entrée et de sortie (si tu es entré à 10 h, tu dois ressortir avant 10 h si tu ne veux pas payer un jour de park fees supplémentaire. Ce n'est parfois pas évident de bien calculer son coup !
Si vous arrivez à Arusha le matin, une journée à Arusha NP sera probablement insuffisante, les lacs Momella + Ngurdoto en +/- une demie journée, ça me parait difficile, même en faisant l'impasse sur la partiie Mont Meru proprement dite.
Ensuite quand vous repartez du parc, il vous faudra traverser la ville d'Aruha pour prendre la route vers Manyara et le cratère, il y a parfois des encombrements dans Arusha, en revanche, la route ensuite est excellente. Vous pouvez donc envisager de rester le matin dans Arusha NP et prendre la route vers midi pour coucher le plus près possible du Ngorongoro, afin d' être à pied d'oeuvre le lendemain.
Le retour Ngorongoro-Tarangire se fait rapidement aussi. Attention quand même, comptez large pour les déplacements car les portes des parcs ferment tôt le soir : vous êtes en Afrique équatoriale, à 18 h 30 il fait nuit ou presque.
Pour le sud, là je suis perplexe. Non pas sur le choix entre Selous et Ruaha. Le sud tanzanien est notre destination favorite à BL et moi ... Ruaha est un parc sublime, une sorte de Tarangire puissance 10... donc Selous sans hésiter, s'il faut choisir. Mais je trouve le mixte Nord-sud en temps limité un peu dommage. Bien sûr mon optique est un peu particulière, nous sommes plutôt du genre à approfondir un point avant de passer à un autre.
Quand même un détail prosaïque, vu du côté féminin : pas drôle de sortir et ranger les affaires presque tous les jours, vous devriez prévoir des étapes d'au moins deux nuits dans chaque lodge ou camp, c'est beaucoup moins contraignant (et pensez que vous aurez sûrement un peu de lavage à faire)
En tout cas je vous souhaite des moments merveilleux dans ce pays que j'adore
Nous avons voyagé x fois moins une avec Vie sauvage et comme réceptifs Abercrombie and Kent (alias Akorn) plusieurs fois et Leopard Tour 1 fois pour le nord, et une fois dans le nord avec un autre TO et Tanganyika.com comme réceptif (médiocre cette fois-ci mais cela aurait changé). Et pour le sud Nomad Tanzania ou Fox Safaris.
Tu peux voir d'autres adresses notre page de liens sur notre site, à ma blonde que j'ai et à moi 😎.
Attention, pour certaines destinations et certains camps, il faudrait ne pas trop tarder, même si fin septembre n'est pas le point haut de la haute saison...
Je voulais juste ajouter que pour sortir des circuits, si vous passez par une agence, il y a aussi le lac Eyasi où vous pouvez rencontrer des tribus comme les Tindiga (Hadzabe) et partager un moment de chasse traditionnelle avec eux (à pied). Il y a aussi des parcs comme le Manyara qui permettent le "walking safari", histoire de descendre un peu des voitures.
Sur le Lac Victoria, vous pouvez accompagner des pêcheurs sur leur bateau traditionnel et observer les oiseaux.
Enfin, il y a beaucoup de belles choses à faire en dehors des parcs, et votre budget est large à mon avis.
Ma question c'est : ne pouvez-vous pas prendre un billet d'avion qui vous fait atterrir à Kilimanjaro airport et repartir de Dar es Salaam?
Comme ça vous visitez le nord en arrivant, et à la fin vous reprenez l'avion pas très loin de la plage? Ca évite du temps de trajet...
mon blog sur la Tanzanie: latanzaniedestephanie.wordpress.com
Je viens ici avec une question sur quel Parc pour un safari de 3 jours au Keyna ?
Après 20 jours en Ouganda, je retrouve mon père pour un safari de 3 jours (cela lui convient). Nous nous retrouvons à Nairobi et nous avons la journée pour nous deplacer dans un Parc (le plus loin de Nairobi pour éviter la foule?) et y passer 4 nuits avant de retourner à la capitale pour la France.
J'aurais souhaité vos recommendations car je lis beaucoup de choses três interessantes sur ce forum.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!