Location de moto sur Sainte-Marie (Madagascar)
by Bonobobo
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous,
je serai sur l'ile sainte marie à madagascar début novembre 2011.
J'aimerai loué une petite moto pour faire un petit tour dans l'ile.
Quelqu'un pourrait-il me renseigner, ou et environ à quel prix ?
et si l'un de vous a une bonne adresse de logement, dans un prix raisonnable, je suis preneur
merci à vous
bonsoir
vous trouverez a louer sur place scooter ou 125 chinoise sans soucis pas d'adresse precise pour louer a vous donner tarif entre 10 et 20 euros jour
vous trouverez a louer sur place scooter ou 125 chinoise sans soucis pas d'adresse precise pour louer a vous donner tarif entre 10 et 20 euros jour
Bonjour
merci qsf. Puisque tu a l'air de bien connaître. Cela vaut le coup de se faire une visite en moto du tour de l'ile ?
Si tu as quelques adresses sympa ( logement, coin de plongée...).
c'est la première fois que je vais à mada, j'ai juste 15 jours, c'est peu mais toujours ça.
mon circuit c'est Tana, tamatave, sainte marie, avec des arrêts entre.
une autre question, est-ce que le train Tana- Tamatave est en fonction pour les passagers ?
le train tana /tamatave géré par madarail ne prend pas de passagers
tana tamatave peut se faire avec une compagnie de bus serieuse : vatsy
depart de tana vers 17 /18 heures arrivée a tamatave vers 5 h du matin
confort correct , pas d arret en route , pas de rap en train de beugler dans les hauts parleurs , chauffeurs prudents
Merci
je vais faire un stop à Andasibe, faire un tour soit au parc national ou réserve spéciale. lequel est le plus intéressant ?
les transports, je préfère les faire de jour pour profiter du paysage et de l'ambiance.
dommage pour le train, je pense que la plupart des malgaches le regrettent.
Bonjour,
plein de motos à louer sur l'île. Le plus sérieux à mon avis : Frank locations.
Logement impeccable en ville, La Bigorne, 30 000 ariary.
Cordialement,
Mauvais conseil l hotel m a fait livrer une 125 chinoise antediluvienne ..une vraie poubelle ... sur st marie demander tarzan super gars tres bonnes machines ( 250 kawa flambante neuve au meme prix que les merdes chinoises ) le gars est en plus top sympa...teste et approuve debut novembre ..
- =ALF=-
Patrick
allez voir Nicole face à l 'office de tourisme les tarifs de loc sont intéressant, à la semaine
gilles
allez voir Nicole face à l 'office de tourisme les tarifs de loc sont intéressant, à la semaine
gilles
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So, I’ll try to give you a little recap here, day by day, with the roads, stops, places worth checking out… and those that didn’t quite blow my mind 😅
I also filmed the trip, so I’ll post the corresponding video at the end of each day if that’s okay. If it’s not allowed here, just let me know, and I’ll remove them without any issue.
DAY 1 — Chiang Mai → Doi Inthanon → Mae Chaem → Khun Yuam
I left Chiang Mai after renting a Honda ADV 160 from Pop Motorbike. Not exactly an Africa Twin, but for what I had planned, it was more than enough.
Quick hotel note: I stayed at the Lanna Thaphae Hotel before leaving. Around 30 € per night, super well-located, and probably one of the most comfortable beds I’ve ever slept in. A crucial detail for any motorcycle road trip, obviously.
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Head toward Doi Inthanon… and see what happens.
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Next, up to Doi Inthanon.
The road climbs steeply, and my little 160cc started to realize that carrying my 80 kg to Thailand’s highest point probably wasn’t part of its youthful dreams. I was maxing out at 34 km/h in some spots.
But it made it. Good little bike.
The summit is nice—the forest is beautiful, and it’s cool—but I have to admit, it didn’t completely wow me. Glad I went, but not necessarily the highlight of the day for me.
Because then comes Route 1192.
And that’s *much* more my thing: small mountain roads, beautiful scenery, hardly any traffic… the kind of road where I usually start taking way too many unnecessary detours just because a little side road “looks fun.”
Stopped in Mae Chaem for a bite to eat, then headed to Khun Yuam to finish the day.
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Khun Yuam is… quiet.
*Very* quiet. 😅
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Because for me, the really interesting stuff starts over the next two days…
And a few slightly questionable route decisions will also make an appearance 😅
If anyone’s planning the Mae Hong Son Loop, feel free to ask your questions—I’d be happy to answer!
I also filmed this first day, so for those who’d rather see the roads and landscapes than read my rambling, here’s Day 1 😊
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I’ll post the next part in the coming days with Day 2: Khun Yuam → Mae Surin → Mae Hong Son.
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On the other hand, Norway is *super* appealing. The landscapes look incredible, totally different from anything I’ve experienced, and it’d be a real “wow” trip. I know 15 days is still short for such a vast country. Getting all the way to the North Cape seems pretty much impossible in that time, but I’m curious about what realistic routes could be planned.
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Looking for travel companions to ride from France to Senegal by motorcycle.
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Hello,
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