Agdal, le quartier de Rabat, ou il est de bon ton dans la bourgeoisie marocaine de s'y montrer en Porsche Cayenne ???? le 4x4, ici, n'étant nécessaire que pour frimer et polluer !
Ou d' un des nombreux villages de l'atlas se nommant Agoudal ou Agdal (en gros "sources") ??
Le plus connu, Agoudal entre Imilchil et Ait Hani, est accessible avec n'importe quelle voiture :
depuis le nord, c'est entièrement goudronné, et depuis le sud, par Tinghir, un bout de piste relativement facile.
Il s'agit d'Agdal - le village le plus haut du Maroc. Les pistes "Dadès et Todhra" ne sont pas si pratiquables que tu ne le laisses entendre: un bon 4X4 et de la dextérité sont nécessaires pour arriver jusque chez Ibrahim même en été.
C'est pourquoi je m'inquiète de l'état de ces pistes en décembre car il peut y avoir de la neige!
Pourquoi poses tu la question, si tu as ta réponse ?
Malheureusement, elle est erronée !!!
Agoudal est accessible par 2 routes goudronnées par le nord, El ksiba, Imilchil, ! pratiquement toute l'année, elle est maintenant rapidement déneigée, meme en hiver, donc le 4x4 est inutile, et la dextérité nécessaire pas inhumaine. et par l'est par la route de Rich, un peu plus souvent enneigée, mais ca dure rarement.
un coup de téléphone à Ibrahim suffit pour savoir si ça passe ! c'est ce que j'ai fait en fevrier 2006 ! meme pas une vielle congère !
Et par le sud, la piste Ait Hani, Agoudal, vient d'etre élargie et surfacée, et sauf orages, les VL passent, je l'ai faite en 405 en juin,
La piste Dades Todghra directe Msemrir Tamtatouch, qui n'a aucun rapport avec ta question d'origine, n'est accessible qu'en 4x4, et encore de moins en moins, les effondrements de chaque hiver ne sont pas réparés.
L'autre variante, la piste Msemrir, Agoudal, par le Tizi n'Ouano, est relativement facile, mais nécessite un véhicule robuste, pas nécessairement 4x4, les camions de souk, et les taxis merco 207 307 et variantes ne sont pas 4x4 et passent tous les jours.
Ben dis donc je te trouve bien prétentieux et méprisant. Quel ton tu utilise, sur ce forum il me semble que tu devrais avoir un peu plus de savoir vivre. D'autant plus qu'en regardant ton profil et ton âge tu devrais avoir plus de sagesse. Mais peut être est tu un gamin intolérant qui se cache derrière un profil qui n'est pas le sien.
Quoi qu'il en soit je confirme que Seccotine a raison pour ce qui est de la piste menant à Agoudal par les gorges, j'y suis passé il y a 3 ans pour les autres routes ... je ne sais pas.
Je crains cher ami belge, qu’il y ait méprise,
Je ne suis ni méprisant, ni prétentieux, j'informe seulement !
On a le droit de ne pas etre d'accord, mais quand on pose une question il n'est pas obligatoire d'avoir la réponse que l'on attend !
Je n’y suis pas passé, moi, il y a 3 ans, mais il y a moins de 3 mois, et pour la énième fois, sur toutes les routes et pistes que je cite ! et au Maroc, tu verrais que les choses changent vite ! et surtout le réseau routier !
***pour les autres routes ... je ne sais pas.****
Justement je cherche à t'expliquer !!
En quoi un message informatif, clair, concis et précis, pour expliquer un premier message, qui n'avait pas été compris, peut il etre considéré comme une agression, du mépris ou de la prétention ??
Mais si tu veux etre respecté comme tu dis en signature, il y a bien une chose qu’il ne faut pas faire sur un forum, c’est d’avancer masquer derrière plusieurs pseudos.
C’est quand meme une grosse coincidence que de trouver sous des plumes soit disant différentes, des messages carrément identiques, par exemple :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1293223;#1293223
utilisant les memes expressions, dont celle ci :
Agoudal (Agdal)
Jamais utilisée par les autres Vfistes.
Donc Ulysse et Seccotine, ont les memes centres d’intérét et les memes voyages :
La situation politique en Birmanie,
Un voyage au Benin Togo en 2006
Au Maroc il y a 3 ans,
En Turquie en 2005 !!
pour une même personne cela semble normal !
Le savoir vivre, ou est il ?
Le gamin intolérant te salue bien !
Raoulx est l´un des plus grands informateurs ds ce forum et je precise qu il a plus d´ infos qu´un marocain. C´est vrai qu il est souvent ralleur et gueular surtout vis a vis de ceux qui posent des questions qui sement la confusion et des fois des questions betes.
Concernant Seccitine et sa question et moi qui connait si bien le Maroc, j´allais juste donner des infos sur Agdal de Rabat.
Bonsoir,
information exact, je suis d'accord avec Raolux, le village Agoudal est très accessible sans problème, la seule piste a craindre en décembre, est celle de Tounfite en passant par Tagoudit à Imilchil .
Bon sejour au Maroc.
loulou
Tout d'abord seccotine n'est pas Ulysse car l'un est "homme" et l'autre "femme"
Ensuite, je viens de recevoir un mail d'Ibrahim ( de l'auberge Ibrahim) qui me donne son n° de tel pour l'appeler avant de monter car LA PISTE n'est pas toujours praticable en décembre à cause de la neige.
Nous ne parlons donc pas du même endroit.. je crois que je vais m'en tenir à la sagesse d'Ibrahim.
Je ne suis pas une spécialiste mais une voyageuse avide de découvertes et de rencontres... et de ce côté, je n'ai pas de soucis!
Bien à vous
(Une française en Belgique)
bonjour,
agdal c'est un quartier chic de rabat la capitale!!!!
l'etat de la route et les avenus sont plus impec que certains d'ici alors je vois pas ou est le probleme pour qu'il ne soit pas accecible:)
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
Follow-up question: if they were "standard" tires, did that cause any issues on the gravel roads and rough terrain?
Thanks so much for any info you can share.
Best,
Marc
Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla).
Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place?
Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport?
Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?...
How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT?
Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia.
When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day?
We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey.
Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice!
Best,
Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th?
Was the journey doable and safe?
Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊
Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them.
Thanks again!
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