Location de plaques de sable à Marrakech? (en 4x4)
by Benoit71
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Je suis en train de préparer une virée de 7 jours en 4x4 de location à partir de Marrakech. Où puis je trouver à la location des plaques de désensablage à Marrakech. Les étapes seraient Marrakech-Taroudan-Tafraoute-Amtoudi (Id Aïssa)-Tissint (lac Iriki)-Erg Chegaga -Adzt-Marrakech.Nous n'aurons qu'un seul véhicule, et je voudrai aussi savoir si sur cette zone les portables passent partout. Merci de vos conseils éclairés et avisés.
Benoît
Comme tout ce qui compte dans la vie, un beau voyage est une oeuvre d'art. (André Suarès)
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Bonjour
Pour la traversée de Chegaga, je conseillerai davantage un bon compresseur plutôt que des plaques Dans les dunes de l'erg , les plaques seront d'une piètre utilité , seul un "bon" dégonflage à la pression adéquate est efficace (et donc nécessité d'un regonflage en sortie d'erg )
Sur le reste du parcours envisagé, les plaques seront inutiles
Méfiance aussi avec l'état dans lequel se trouvent souvent les 4x4 de loc : vérifies bien le bon passage du 4x2 / 4x4 , des vitesses courtes et enclenchement des MRL si présents Y en a qui ont eu des surprises ....
Pour la traversée de Chegaga, je conseillerai davantage un bon compresseur plutôt que des plaques Dans les dunes de l'erg , les plaques seront d'une piètre utilité , seul un "bon" dégonflage à la pression adéquate est efficace (et donc nécessité d'un regonflage en sortie d'erg )
Sur le reste du parcours envisagé, les plaques seront inutiles
Méfiance aussi avec l'état dans lequel se trouvent souvent les 4x4 de loc : vérifies bien le bon passage du 4x2 / 4x4 , des vitesses courtes et enclenchement des MRL si présents Y en a qui ont eu des surprises ....
J'ai déjà fait en moto la piste entre Taroudant et Amtoudi, mais après, c'est pour moi l'inconnu. (en moto nous étions partis vers Fort bou jerif et plage blanche). Je pensais dormir vers Tissint et rejoindre le bivouac St Exupéry par la piste qui traverse le lac Iriki. Mais peut être y a-t-il un meilleur plan. Benoît
Benoît
Comme tout ce qui compte dans la vie, un beau voyage est une oeuvre d'art. (André Suarès)
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Merci de ton conseil, mais j'avais l'impression que quand on était ensablé, il fallait des plaques. Je suis débutant en matière de sable et de Sahara en 4x4. Pour la loc, je pensais passer par Najm car à Marrakech.
Benoît
Benoît
Benoît
Comme tout ce qui compte dans la vie, un beau voyage est une oeuvre d'art. (André Suarès)
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Bonjour
* * j'avais l'impression que quand on était ensablé, il fallait des plaques. ***
Il faut surtout éviter de s'ensabler , en dégonflant (et en regonflant sur le dur !! d'ou l'intérét du gonfleur), et surtout en apprenant à conduire sur le sable ! ce qui n'est pas évident. Les plaques , quand on en arrive à en avoir besoin, on ne s'en sort plus, et des plaques sans pelles, sans gros bras et sans équipier efficace, ça peut devenir galère !
Perso , connaissant l'état du parc des 4x4 de loc , même chez des loueurs réputés, je ne m'approcherais de Chigaga qu'avec une extrème prudence, ou en groupe.
Ton itinéraire nécessite plus une 2eme roue de secours que des plaques (et pelle).
Il faut surtout éviter de s'ensabler , en dégonflant (et en regonflant sur le dur !! d'ou l'intérét du gonfleur), et surtout en apprenant à conduire sur le sable ! ce qui n'est pas évident. Les plaques , quand on en arrive à en avoir besoin, on ne s'en sort plus, et des plaques sans pelles, sans gros bras et sans équipier efficace, ça peut devenir galère !
Perso , connaissant l'état du parc des 4x4 de loc , même chez des loueurs réputés, je ne m'approcherais de Chigaga qu'avec une extrème prudence, ou en groupe.
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Bonjour,
Effectivement, le mieux est de ne pas se "bourber", et donc de ne pas avoir à se servir de plaques 😉 Si tu n'as pas un chouia d'expérience de conduite sur sable et si tu ne connais pas la piste, tu vas galérer grave.............. Même si ce n'est pas le "Grand Erg Occidental, il y a matière à se prendre la tête pour un réel novice ! A ta place, j'y réfléchirai à 2 fois 😛 @+
Effectivement, le mieux est de ne pas se "bourber", et donc de ne pas avoir à se servir de plaques 😉 Si tu n'as pas un chouia d'expérience de conduite sur sable et si tu ne connais pas la piste, tu vas galérer grave.............. Même si ce n'est pas le "Grand Erg Occidental, il y a matière à se prendre la tête pour un réel novice ! A ta place, j'y réfléchirai à 2 fois 😛 @+
Je fais pas mal de 4x4 ici en france, par l'intemédiaire d'un club rando 4x4, et donc beaucoup de boue, mais si en moto les 2 conduites sont approchantes, en 4x4...
Benoît
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Je vais laisser de côté la première partie de ton voyage , ainsi que la fin , car ne présentant pas de difficulté particulière
Par contre , je vais te décrire sommairement la partie entre Tissint et Mhamid
De Tissint , tu vas sûrement descendre par la piste partant du goudron Tissint/ FoumZguid , sur la droite environ 2 km après la sortie de Tissint , pour rejoindre la piste que j'appellerai "piste interdite" longeant le Draa/frontière Algérie . Environ 50 km cap 180° à partir du goudron pour rejoindre cette piste , sans difficulté Une fois la jonction avec cette "piste interdite", après , comme repère un peu avant la jonction, une petite éolienne servant à remonter de l'eau dans une citerne pour les troupeaux locaux , au bas d'un petit djebel , tu prends la piste à 90° sur ta gauche , direction Iriki
Sur cette portion direction Iriki , la seule petite difficulté est la traversée d'un oued super joli mais très rocheux, dans lequel il faut faite attention au bas de caisse et au carter du 4x4
Pour traverser Iriki, pas de problème par temps sec , seulement faire attention à la vitesse qu'on peut atteindre par endroit , et lever le pied
Tu vas voir ensuite sur ta droite le début de l'erg Chegaga Là , 3 possibilités pour rejoindre Mhamid :
- l'erg Chegaga , à travers les dunes : je te le déconseille si tu n'as pas un semblant d'expérience de la conduite dans un erg , surtout à un seul véhicule, et sans possibilité de dégonfler (ordre d'idée des pressions : AV 1,2 bar , AR 1,8 , à moduler selon véhicule et chargement ) d'où la nécessité de regonfler dès la sortie du mou sous peine de crevaison.
Les plaques ne sont vraiment utiles que pour se sortir d'un plantage ponctuel sur quelques mètres , mais en aucun cas pour traverser un erg sur plusieurs dizaines de kms
- une piste très sablonneuse et fech fech longe l'erg sur sa partie Nord , on s'y plante facilement si on l'aborde mal , dégonflage + que recommandé , donc piste pas conseillé non plus dans ton cas
- solution la moins agréable ( car caillouteuse bien souvent) mais la plus facile et sûre, emprunter la piste bien marquée qui vient de Foum Zguid , longeant les contreforts Sud du djebel Bani , par la Zaouia sidi abd en nebi, et rejoindre Mhamid (ou Tagounite plus au nord , sur le goudron Mhamid/zagora. elle te permettra de passer par le "lac" Iriki
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Par contre , je vais te décrire sommairement la partie entre Tissint et Mhamid
De Tissint , tu vas sûrement descendre par la piste partant du goudron Tissint/ FoumZguid , sur la droite environ 2 km après la sortie de Tissint , pour rejoindre la piste que j'appellerai "piste interdite" longeant le Draa/frontière Algérie . Environ 50 km cap 180° à partir du goudron pour rejoindre cette piste , sans difficulté Une fois la jonction avec cette "piste interdite", après , comme repère un peu avant la jonction, une petite éolienne servant à remonter de l'eau dans une citerne pour les troupeaux locaux , au bas d'un petit djebel , tu prends la piste à 90° sur ta gauche , direction Iriki
Sur cette portion direction Iriki , la seule petite difficulté est la traversée d'un oued super joli mais très rocheux, dans lequel il faut faite attention au bas de caisse et au carter du 4x4
Pour traverser Iriki, pas de problème par temps sec , seulement faire attention à la vitesse qu'on peut atteindre par endroit , et lever le pied
Tu vas voir ensuite sur ta droite le début de l'erg Chegaga Là , 3 possibilités pour rejoindre Mhamid :
- l'erg Chegaga , à travers les dunes : je te le déconseille si tu n'as pas un semblant d'expérience de la conduite dans un erg , surtout à un seul véhicule, et sans possibilité de dégonfler (ordre d'idée des pressions : AV 1,2 bar , AR 1,8 , à moduler selon véhicule et chargement ) d'où la nécessité de regonfler dès la sortie du mou sous peine de crevaison.
Les plaques ne sont vraiment utiles que pour se sortir d'un plantage ponctuel sur quelques mètres , mais en aucun cas pour traverser un erg sur plusieurs dizaines de kms
- une piste très sablonneuse et fech fech longe l'erg sur sa partie Nord , on s'y plante facilement si on l'aborde mal , dégonflage + que recommandé , donc piste pas conseillé non plus dans ton cas
- solution la moins agréable ( car caillouteuse bien souvent) mais la plus facile et sûre, emprunter la piste bien marquée qui vient de Foum Zguid , longeant les contreforts Sud du djebel Bani , par la Zaouia sidi abd en nebi, et rejoindre Mhamid (ou Tagounite plus au nord , sur le goudron Mhamid/zagora. elle te permettra de passer par le "lac" Iriki
Si tu veux plus de renseignements , passes en messages privés
Bonjour a toi.
J'ai emprunté déjà de nombreuses fois la piste qui relie M'hamid à Foum Zguid.
Je n'ai jamais utilisé des plaques de désensablage, ni même dégonflé les pneus.
Depuis longtemps je me rends au Maroc et pas mal bourlingué dans ce beau pays, et à aucun moment j'ai sorti mes plaques.
Une seule fois j'ai dégonflé mes boudins pour traverser l'Erg Chebbi, mais toujours pas eû besoin des plaques, donc.....
Pour moi le risque réside plutot dans le véhicule de location, état général, pneus, etc... si tu pars seul.
Seul risque, le lac Iriki, après de la pluie, une couche de boue sèche peut te faire penser que c'est portant, et dessous tu trouves de la belle boue bien collante.
Si tu t'y plante, même avec des plaques tu n'auras pas fini de t'amuser !...
Renseignes-toi soit à M'hamid ou à Foum Zguid s'il y a plut dernièrement, et surtout ouvres les yeux arrivé une fois sur le lac pour voir les autres 4x4 par ou ils passent, car le lac est très fréquenté soit par des agences ou par des particuliers.
Bonne piste et amuses-toi bien.
Elchibani
Merci à toi, pour ces renseignements. Je vais suivre ton conseil, ainsi que celui des autres. Pas de plaques, par contre j'ai investi dans un petit comprésseur, dont je souhaite ne pas me servir. Coté location de 4x4, aprés de bons renseignements, je vais voir NAJM CAR à Marrakech en louant soit un pajero soit un patrol.
Je suis également à la recherche d'un logement pour une nuit et pas cher vers Tata ou Tissint. J'ai bien une adresse "chez Lahcen", mais je souhaite quelque chose de plus rustique, et surtout moins cher. Peut être as tu un tuyau...
Bien à toi
Benoît
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Bonjour,
* ** quelque chose de plus rustique, et surtout moins cher *** dans la rue principale de Tata, et vers le terminus bus, et vers la statue de la gazelle, il existe plusieurs petits hotels avec ces critères, du genre VRP et chauffeurs de groupes, en général le rapport qualité prix de ces établissements est assez correct. je n'en ai encore visité aucun, mais j'y songe sérieusement pour mon prochain trip, l'offre "touristique" étant vraiment lamentable et hors de prix. Plusieurs petits restos sympas à coté et cafés avec grilleur de beignets pout le ptidej.
* ** quelque chose de plus rustique, et surtout moins cher *** dans la rue principale de Tata, et vers le terminus bus, et vers la statue de la gazelle, il existe plusieurs petits hotels avec ces critères, du genre VRP et chauffeurs de groupes, en général le rapport qualité prix de ces établissements est assez correct. je n'en ai encore visité aucun, mais j'y songe sérieusement pour mon prochain trip, l'offre "touristique" étant vraiment lamentable et hors de prix. Plusieurs petits restos sympas à coté et cafés avec grilleur de beignets pout le ptidej.
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For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi. Do you have any rental companies to recommend? The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Thanks for your tips! Penlan
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
Hi there,
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
Hello,
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!