Merci !
Les Payachatas et Sajama en ski en aoôt 2009? (Chili)
by Alextrotteur
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour ! un pote et moi avons l'intention de passer quelques jours a la frontière chileno-bolivienne pour grimper parinacota, pomerape et sajama vers la mi-aout 2009. Et-ce que certains parmi vous ont déja skié ces montagnes ? je sais que l'ascension n'est pas vraiment technique, mais qu'en est-il de la descente en ski ? c'est probablement très glacé, mais je sais qu, il ya des adeptes de ski-mountaineering qui dévalent ces sommets chaque années....peut-être y en a-t-il parmi vous ? svp envoyez moi toutes les infos que vous avec sur ces trois montagne, cartes, conseils, liste de matos, comment on fait pour l'eau, la distance a franchir entre les trois montagnes, etc...
Merci !
Merci !
Neige du Parinacota le 11 août 2008, que des pénitents, rien de skiable, et pas très long. Il est probable que Août ne soit pas la bonne saison pour le ski.

Y'a ce topo qui vient de sortir : http://www.belupress.com/topo.html
Rencontré un groupe d'aspis à La Paz qui semble avoir fait du bon ski dans la Cordillère Blanche, dont la Voie des Français au Huayna Potosi.
Distance : regarde le tracé GPS sur ma page web http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/index.html De mémoire une quinzaine de km de piste entre le village de Sajama et le cb Parinacota. Eau : de la neige à fondre au cb Matériel : je n'irais pas là à skis en août. Sinon crampons utiles, habits chauds.
Bonne chance Pierre

Y'a ce topo qui vient de sortir : http://www.belupress.com/topo.html
Rencontré un groupe d'aspis à La Paz qui semble avoir fait du bon ski dans la Cordillère Blanche, dont la Voie des Français au Huayna Potosi.
Distance : regarde le tracé GPS sur ma page web http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/index.html De mémoire une quinzaine de km de piste entre le village de Sajama et le cb Parinacota. Eau : de la neige à fondre au cb Matériel : je n'irais pas là à skis en août. Sinon crampons utiles, habits chauds.
Bonne chance Pierre
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
Même chose : impossible de descendre à ski, les pénitents t'en empêcheront... à moins que tu aies la chance de voir la neige tomber qq jours avant ton arrivée, mais juillet - août, c'est la saison sèche... et la région de Sajama est l'une des plus sèche des Andes, donc faut pas trop compter dessus !
cf photos :
http://www.sionjouait.com
"Peut-être que la seule façon de ne pas perdre son temps, c'est tout simplement de le prendre" (Claude MARTHALER)
Le Sajama en août, avec la forêt de pénitents ça risque d'être un peu chaud ...
Par contre j'ai vu des gens descendre l'Illimani à ski, sans trop de pb. Peu de crevasse, pas de pénitents. Et c'est 6400m tout de même !
Par contre j'ai vu des gens descendre l'Illimani à ski, sans trop de pb. Peu de crevasse, pas de pénitents. Et c'est 6400m tout de même !
Voyager, c’est être infidèle. Soyez-le sans remords. Oubliez vos amis avec des inconnus.
Quelques photos de voyage, cliquez ici ...
Quelques photos de voyage, cliquez ici ...
Merci à tous ! si ce n'est pas la bonne saison pouvez vous m, indiquer si plus tard dans l'année ce sera possible(septembre octobre novembre) ou si c'est seulement possible en avril, mai juin ? Sinon connaissez vous des montagnes skiable avec des ascension pas trop technique en bolivie, au pérou ou au chili au mois d'aout, je suis ouvert au suggestion.
La sayama est un beau rêve pour tous skieur de montagne mais malheureusement, comme il a ete dit plus en avant, sa descente n'est pas possible, trop de glace et des conditions de secheresse ces dernieres annees qui rendent sa descente bien trop aleatoire, cependant, bien d'autres objectifs a l'horizon !😉
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
quelqu'un peut-il me dire si c'est possible de skié dans la région fin mars-avril ? si oui je passerais bien quelques semaines dans la région histoire de skier la pluspart des sommets environant tel que parinacota, pomerape, sajama, acotango et larancagua....vous avez des infos concernant la région a cette période...kelkun l, a fait avant ?
merci encore
merci encore
Salut !
Je précise que ma réponse est une réponse d'alpiniste, pas de skieur... je ne connais pas grand chose a la descente, pour moi une rouge ca se descend sur les fesses !
Bref, nous étions au Sajama il y a 1 semaine (fin janvier/debut fevrier). Tentative d'ascension pas aboutie... car trop chiant et galère à cause de la neige. Attention, le Sajama n'est pas technique certe, mais par l'arrête NO, quand même 50 mètres en couloir à 50/55 degrés (neige pour nous, possiblement en glace en hivers ???). C'est certe pas grand chose mais faut pas oublier ses crampons et son piolet, voir 1/2 broches à glace et sangles pour éventuellement protéger un peu. Possible que ca descende a ski, je sais pas, pas très large mais possible... par contre faut pas se louper, c'est barres rocheuses en dessous. Sinon au dessus, on a finit par laisser tomber à cause des conditions de neige à cette saison : neige fraiche juste transformée sur 5 cm, en dessous c'est de la poudre, par ailleurs elle fait des plaques, pas assez pour partir en avalanche a mon avis... mais prudence. cela devient pire que tout quand il faut passer les pénitents de l'année dernière : certains affleurent (glace visible mais pas de murs), d'autres sont totalement planqués. Et autour la neige est encore moins porteuse, tu progresses et hop d'un coup dans la neige jusqu'aux cuisses voir a la taille... l'impression de tomber dans une crevasse ! Bref, chiant, on avancait pas et donc nous sommes redescendu vers 6100, pas si mal mais a quand même à 400 mètres de denivelé du sommet. Voila pour la description des conditions au dessus des difficultés, a toi de voir si c'est skiable si les infos donnés suffisent. Sous les difficultés (vers 5900/6000), à cette saison, pentes de neige bien skiables je pense jusqu'à 5500 environ (très rapide en ski je pense) après c'est cailloux !
pour l'Illimani et le Huayna Potosi, nous sommes aussi allez fourrez nos nez par là bas. Certainement skiable (bonne neige) mais attention ! Contrairement à ce qui a été dis plus haut, énormément de crevasses dans les deux cas. Elles devaient certainement être recouvertes... mais elles sont bien là, en tout cas sur les voies normales ! A cette saison, elles etaient pour nous aussi partiellement recouvertes... mais il y en a des enormes toujours visibles. Prudence prudence et encordement de rigueur à moins d`être inconscient, savoir aussi tirer quelqu'un d'une crevasse comme doivent savoir le faire tout les alpinistes et tout les skieurs de glaciers... Tu peux toujours attendre les secours en cas de chute !
Je te donne l'adresse de notre blog où tu trouveras des vidéos et photos du Sajama, de l'Illimani et du Huayna potosi en Janvier Fevrier, à toi de te faire une idée : http://cpalperou.over-blog.org
Bonne préparation !
Je précise que ma réponse est une réponse d'alpiniste, pas de skieur... je ne connais pas grand chose a la descente, pour moi une rouge ca se descend sur les fesses !
Bref, nous étions au Sajama il y a 1 semaine (fin janvier/debut fevrier). Tentative d'ascension pas aboutie... car trop chiant et galère à cause de la neige. Attention, le Sajama n'est pas technique certe, mais par l'arrête NO, quand même 50 mètres en couloir à 50/55 degrés (neige pour nous, possiblement en glace en hivers ???). C'est certe pas grand chose mais faut pas oublier ses crampons et son piolet, voir 1/2 broches à glace et sangles pour éventuellement protéger un peu. Possible que ca descende a ski, je sais pas, pas très large mais possible... par contre faut pas se louper, c'est barres rocheuses en dessous. Sinon au dessus, on a finit par laisser tomber à cause des conditions de neige à cette saison : neige fraiche juste transformée sur 5 cm, en dessous c'est de la poudre, par ailleurs elle fait des plaques, pas assez pour partir en avalanche a mon avis... mais prudence. cela devient pire que tout quand il faut passer les pénitents de l'année dernière : certains affleurent (glace visible mais pas de murs), d'autres sont totalement planqués. Et autour la neige est encore moins porteuse, tu progresses et hop d'un coup dans la neige jusqu'aux cuisses voir a la taille... l'impression de tomber dans une crevasse ! Bref, chiant, on avancait pas et donc nous sommes redescendu vers 6100, pas si mal mais a quand même à 400 mètres de denivelé du sommet. Voila pour la description des conditions au dessus des difficultés, a toi de voir si c'est skiable si les infos donnés suffisent. Sous les difficultés (vers 5900/6000), à cette saison, pentes de neige bien skiables je pense jusqu'à 5500 environ (très rapide en ski je pense) après c'est cailloux !
pour l'Illimani et le Huayna Potosi, nous sommes aussi allez fourrez nos nez par là bas. Certainement skiable (bonne neige) mais attention ! Contrairement à ce qui a été dis plus haut, énormément de crevasses dans les deux cas. Elles devaient certainement être recouvertes... mais elles sont bien là, en tout cas sur les voies normales ! A cette saison, elles etaient pour nous aussi partiellement recouvertes... mais il y en a des enormes toujours visibles. Prudence prudence et encordement de rigueur à moins d`être inconscient, savoir aussi tirer quelqu'un d'une crevasse comme doivent savoir le faire tout les alpinistes et tout les skieurs de glaciers... Tu peux toujours attendre les secours en cas de chute !
Je te donne l'adresse de notre blog où tu trouveras des vidéos et photos du Sajama, de l'Illimani et du Huayna potosi en Janvier Fevrier, à toi de te faire une idée : http://cpalperou.over-blog.org
Bonne préparation !
Un voyage ne se calcule pas en terme d'heures d'avion... on peut aller bien souvent plus loin avec une bonne paire de chaussures.
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Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
