Merci !
Les Payachatas et Sajama en ski en aoôt 2009? (Chili)
by Alextrotteur
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour ! un pote et moi avons l'intention de passer quelques jours a la frontière chileno-bolivienne pour grimper parinacota, pomerape et sajama vers la mi-aout 2009. Et-ce que certains parmi vous ont déja skié ces montagnes ? je sais que l'ascension n'est pas vraiment technique, mais qu'en est-il de la descente en ski ? c'est probablement très glacé, mais je sais qu, il ya des adeptes de ski-mountaineering qui dévalent ces sommets chaque années....peut-être y en a-t-il parmi vous ? svp envoyez moi toutes les infos que vous avec sur ces trois montagne, cartes, conseils, liste de matos, comment on fait pour l'eau, la distance a franchir entre les trois montagnes, etc...
Merci !
Merci !
Neige du Parinacota le 11 août 2008, que des pénitents, rien de skiable, et pas très long. Il est probable que Août ne soit pas la bonne saison pour le ski.

Y'a ce topo qui vient de sortir : http://www.belupress.com/topo.html
Rencontré un groupe d'aspis à La Paz qui semble avoir fait du bon ski dans la Cordillère Blanche, dont la Voie des Français au Huayna Potosi.
Distance : regarde le tracé GPS sur ma page web http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/index.html De mémoire une quinzaine de km de piste entre le village de Sajama et le cb Parinacota. Eau : de la neige à fondre au cb Matériel : je n'irais pas là à skis en août. Sinon crampons utiles, habits chauds.
Bonne chance Pierre

Y'a ce topo qui vient de sortir : http://www.belupress.com/topo.html
Rencontré un groupe d'aspis à La Paz qui semble avoir fait du bon ski dans la Cordillère Blanche, dont la Voie des Français au Huayna Potosi.
Distance : regarde le tracé GPS sur ma page web http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/index.html De mémoire une quinzaine de km de piste entre le village de Sajama et le cb Parinacota. Eau : de la neige à fondre au cb Matériel : je n'irais pas là à skis en août. Sinon crampons utiles, habits chauds.
Bonne chance Pierre
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
Même chose : impossible de descendre à ski, les pénitents t'en empêcheront... à moins que tu aies la chance de voir la neige tomber qq jours avant ton arrivée, mais juillet - août, c'est la saison sèche... et la région de Sajama est l'une des plus sèche des Andes, donc faut pas trop compter dessus !
cf photos :
http://www.sionjouait.com
"Peut-être que la seule façon de ne pas perdre son temps, c'est tout simplement de le prendre" (Claude MARTHALER)
Le Sajama en août, avec la forêt de pénitents ça risque d'être un peu chaud ...
Par contre j'ai vu des gens descendre l'Illimani à ski, sans trop de pb. Peu de crevasse, pas de pénitents. Et c'est 6400m tout de même !
Par contre j'ai vu des gens descendre l'Illimani à ski, sans trop de pb. Peu de crevasse, pas de pénitents. Et c'est 6400m tout de même !
Voyager, c’est être infidèle. Soyez-le sans remords. Oubliez vos amis avec des inconnus.
Quelques photos de voyage, cliquez ici ...
Quelques photos de voyage, cliquez ici ...
Merci à tous ! si ce n'est pas la bonne saison pouvez vous m, indiquer si plus tard dans l'année ce sera possible(septembre octobre novembre) ou si c'est seulement possible en avril, mai juin ? Sinon connaissez vous des montagnes skiable avec des ascension pas trop technique en bolivie, au pérou ou au chili au mois d'aout, je suis ouvert au suggestion.
La sayama est un beau rêve pour tous skieur de montagne mais malheureusement, comme il a ete dit plus en avant, sa descente n'est pas possible, trop de glace et des conditions de secheresse ces dernieres annees qui rendent sa descente bien trop aleatoire, cependant, bien d'autres objectifs a l'horizon !😉
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
quelqu'un peut-il me dire si c'est possible de skié dans la région fin mars-avril ? si oui je passerais bien quelques semaines dans la région histoire de skier la pluspart des sommets environant tel que parinacota, pomerape, sajama, acotango et larancagua....vous avez des infos concernant la région a cette période...kelkun l, a fait avant ?
merci encore
merci encore
Salut !
Je précise que ma réponse est une réponse d'alpiniste, pas de skieur... je ne connais pas grand chose a la descente, pour moi une rouge ca se descend sur les fesses !
Bref, nous étions au Sajama il y a 1 semaine (fin janvier/debut fevrier). Tentative d'ascension pas aboutie... car trop chiant et galère à cause de la neige. Attention, le Sajama n'est pas technique certe, mais par l'arrête NO, quand même 50 mètres en couloir à 50/55 degrés (neige pour nous, possiblement en glace en hivers ???). C'est certe pas grand chose mais faut pas oublier ses crampons et son piolet, voir 1/2 broches à glace et sangles pour éventuellement protéger un peu. Possible que ca descende a ski, je sais pas, pas très large mais possible... par contre faut pas se louper, c'est barres rocheuses en dessous. Sinon au dessus, on a finit par laisser tomber à cause des conditions de neige à cette saison : neige fraiche juste transformée sur 5 cm, en dessous c'est de la poudre, par ailleurs elle fait des plaques, pas assez pour partir en avalanche a mon avis... mais prudence. cela devient pire que tout quand il faut passer les pénitents de l'année dernière : certains affleurent (glace visible mais pas de murs), d'autres sont totalement planqués. Et autour la neige est encore moins porteuse, tu progresses et hop d'un coup dans la neige jusqu'aux cuisses voir a la taille... l'impression de tomber dans une crevasse ! Bref, chiant, on avancait pas et donc nous sommes redescendu vers 6100, pas si mal mais a quand même à 400 mètres de denivelé du sommet. Voila pour la description des conditions au dessus des difficultés, a toi de voir si c'est skiable si les infos donnés suffisent. Sous les difficultés (vers 5900/6000), à cette saison, pentes de neige bien skiables je pense jusqu'à 5500 environ (très rapide en ski je pense) après c'est cailloux !
pour l'Illimani et le Huayna Potosi, nous sommes aussi allez fourrez nos nez par là bas. Certainement skiable (bonne neige) mais attention ! Contrairement à ce qui a été dis plus haut, énormément de crevasses dans les deux cas. Elles devaient certainement être recouvertes... mais elles sont bien là, en tout cas sur les voies normales ! A cette saison, elles etaient pour nous aussi partiellement recouvertes... mais il y en a des enormes toujours visibles. Prudence prudence et encordement de rigueur à moins d`être inconscient, savoir aussi tirer quelqu'un d'une crevasse comme doivent savoir le faire tout les alpinistes et tout les skieurs de glaciers... Tu peux toujours attendre les secours en cas de chute !
Je te donne l'adresse de notre blog où tu trouveras des vidéos et photos du Sajama, de l'Illimani et du Huayna potosi en Janvier Fevrier, à toi de te faire une idée : http://cpalperou.over-blog.org
Bonne préparation !
Je précise que ma réponse est une réponse d'alpiniste, pas de skieur... je ne connais pas grand chose a la descente, pour moi une rouge ca se descend sur les fesses !
Bref, nous étions au Sajama il y a 1 semaine (fin janvier/debut fevrier). Tentative d'ascension pas aboutie... car trop chiant et galère à cause de la neige. Attention, le Sajama n'est pas technique certe, mais par l'arrête NO, quand même 50 mètres en couloir à 50/55 degrés (neige pour nous, possiblement en glace en hivers ???). C'est certe pas grand chose mais faut pas oublier ses crampons et son piolet, voir 1/2 broches à glace et sangles pour éventuellement protéger un peu. Possible que ca descende a ski, je sais pas, pas très large mais possible... par contre faut pas se louper, c'est barres rocheuses en dessous. Sinon au dessus, on a finit par laisser tomber à cause des conditions de neige à cette saison : neige fraiche juste transformée sur 5 cm, en dessous c'est de la poudre, par ailleurs elle fait des plaques, pas assez pour partir en avalanche a mon avis... mais prudence. cela devient pire que tout quand il faut passer les pénitents de l'année dernière : certains affleurent (glace visible mais pas de murs), d'autres sont totalement planqués. Et autour la neige est encore moins porteuse, tu progresses et hop d'un coup dans la neige jusqu'aux cuisses voir a la taille... l'impression de tomber dans une crevasse ! Bref, chiant, on avancait pas et donc nous sommes redescendu vers 6100, pas si mal mais a quand même à 400 mètres de denivelé du sommet. Voila pour la description des conditions au dessus des difficultés, a toi de voir si c'est skiable si les infos donnés suffisent. Sous les difficultés (vers 5900/6000), à cette saison, pentes de neige bien skiables je pense jusqu'à 5500 environ (très rapide en ski je pense) après c'est cailloux !
pour l'Illimani et le Huayna Potosi, nous sommes aussi allez fourrez nos nez par là bas. Certainement skiable (bonne neige) mais attention ! Contrairement à ce qui a été dis plus haut, énormément de crevasses dans les deux cas. Elles devaient certainement être recouvertes... mais elles sont bien là, en tout cas sur les voies normales ! A cette saison, elles etaient pour nous aussi partiellement recouvertes... mais il y en a des enormes toujours visibles. Prudence prudence et encordement de rigueur à moins d`être inconscient, savoir aussi tirer quelqu'un d'une crevasse comme doivent savoir le faire tout les alpinistes et tout les skieurs de glaciers... Tu peux toujours attendre les secours en cas de chute !
Je te donne l'adresse de notre blog où tu trouveras des vidéos et photos du Sajama, de l'Illimani et du Huayna potosi en Janvier Fevrier, à toi de te faire une idée : http://cpalperou.over-blog.org
Bonne préparation !
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Pascal
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
