nous partons en Patagonie fin novembre
nous voudrions faire le trek du W
j'ai lu qu'il se fait généralement en 5 jours
nous allons avoir une contrainte de temps ....
est il possible de réduire l'itinéraire et de faire 3 jours de rando au lieu de 5 ?
une autre question, à la fin du dernier jour, a quelle heure se finit la rando ? a t on le temps de rejoindre puerto natales puis punta arenas pour prendre un avion vers santiago dans la journée ? ou au pire rejoindre punta arenas et prendre avion tot le lendemain matin
1er jour : depuis l'entrée du parc aux tours + retour au refuge, compter 5 heures
2ème jour : le plus long et exposé au vent, compter entre 8 et 9 h (en fait il s'agit de deux étapes faites en une journée)
3ème jour : départ du refuge, balade jusqu'au glacier + retour au bateau qui te ramène à la sortie, compter 6 à 7 heures
Bonjour,
On peut facilement faire moins de jour à Torres. Si vous le faites d'est en ouest, vous pouvez vous arrêtez à Paine Grande et prendre la navette de 12h30. Vous pourrez prendre ensuite un bus pour Punta Arenas.
Bus Sur qui fait le trajet s'arrête à l'aéroport de Punta Arenas.
J'ai tout mis bien en détail sur mon site : www.avisdedepart.com
Vérifiez toutefois les horaires que je donne sur mon site, ils correspondent à la haute saison.
Bon voyage
Tu peux par exemple faire :
J1 : Natales - Pudeto en bus, de là prendre le catamaran jusqu'à Paine Grande et faire l'aller/retour jusqu'au Refugio Grey sans les sacs - Nuit au Paine Grande
J2 : Paine Grande - Italiano - Valle Francés - Refugio Cuernos (ou dormir au camping Italiano si tu veux camper gratis et qu'il y a encore de la place)
J3 : Refugio Cuernos - Refugio Chileno
J4 : Refugio Chileno - Base Torres - Hostería Las Torres - Portería Laguna Amarga (possibilité de prendre une navette payante pour faire ces derniers 6 ou 7 km)
En partant très tôt le dernier jour et en ne trainant pas à la Base Torres, tu devrais avoir le temps d'attraper le bus de retour à Natales qui passe à 14h30 à la portería Laguna Amarga (horaire à confirmer).
Ici, les explications pour réserver les refuges ou campings (réservations à faire le plus tôt possible si tu veux être sûr d'avoir une place) :
http://www.parquetorresdelpaine.cl/es/sistema-de-reserva-de-campamentos-1
Et la carte du parc avec les temps approximatifs de marche :
http://www.parquetorresdelpaine.cl/es/mapa-oficial
et pour Fantastico Sur (Cuernos, Chileno), j'ai essaye de réserver mais impossible on dirait qu'il n'y a plus de place.
le refuge est full 1 mois et demie à l'avance ????
Oui c'est possible, si leur site dit que c'est plein, ça doit être vrai.
Tu peux changer ton itinéraire en zappant un bout de la vallée Frances :
J1 : bus natales jusqu'à Portería Laguna Amarga - A/R Base Torres sans les sacs - nuit Hotel Las Torres (Refugio Central ou Norte)
J2 : Hotel Las Torres - Sector Frances (nuit en domo (hors de prix) ou louer une tente là-bas et camper)
J3 : Sector Frances - petit bout de Valle Frances (genre 2h A/R) - Paine Grande - Refugio Grey (grosse journée)
J4 : départ très tôt et descente jusqu'au Paine Grande pour attraper le catamaran de 11h et prendre le bus de retour à Natales
Le site du catamaran (hielospatagonicos) étant en rade, je n'ai pas les horaires de cette saison, je me base sur les horaires de l'année dernière : http://www.verticepatagonia.com/es/node/622, mais rien de garanti)
Si ça fait trop juste entre la grosse journée du J3 et le départ très tôt le J4, tu peux aussi zapper la branche jusqu'au refugio Grey, surtout si tu vas ou est déjà allé au Perito Moreno. Dans ce cas le J3 tu peux dormir à Paine Grande, faire une petite balade le matin du J4 vers le sud (mirador Pehoé) et prendre le catamaran tranquilo.
Une autre solution serait de louer une voiture à l'aéroport de Punta Arenas, d'emmener une tente ou d'en louer une à Natales, et de camper par exemple J1 Hotel Las Torres (rando Base Torres), J2 camping Pehoé (rando Salto Grande et mirador Cuernos, mirador Condor), J3 camping Serrano (visite secteur Grey + éventuellement mirador Ferrier, ou mirador lago Toro et un bout de la rando vers la Laguna verde (je ne connais pas par là)), J4 retour à Natales par la route sud.
Tu peux aussi prendre le catamaran A/R pour voir la vallée Frances le J2 ou J3 (si tu dors une nuit de plus au camping Pehoé).
Non, des horaires sans précision de l'année n'ont aucune valeur. Idem pour le prix, l'année dernière le catamaran coûtait 18.000 pesos l'aller (28.000 l'A/R), et en général ça ne baisse pas, donc les horaires que tu as trouvé datent un peu !
si jamais on arrive dans un secteur et que tout est complet.... que se passe t il ?
on va pas dormir dehors quand meme...? 😮
Ben j'imagine que les gens qui n'ont pas de tente ne vont pas dans un refuge sans avoir réservé. Vu les prix pour un lit il y a quand même peu de chances que les gens qui ont réservé ne viennent pas. Eventuellement ils peuvent te faire payer l'emplacement de camping et la location de la tente, mais là non plus ce n'est pas sûr qu'il y ait de la dispo au dernier moment.
En prenant ton itinéraire bis, on a trouvé place Refuge las torres et camping Frances.
Tu as vérifié la faisabilité en terme de temps de marche quand même à partir de la carte ?
J'ai l'impression que ça passe en regardant vite fait mais ça demande quand même que tu étudies la chose et soit convaincu que c'est faisable en fonction de votre aptitude à marcher, etc.
Il faut aussi que tu sois sûr qu'il est possible de prendre un catamaran avant la mi-journée parce que sinon tu rentreras trop tard sur Natales pour le dernier bus à Punta Arenas.
Je ne t'ai fait qu'une suggestion pour t'aider mais je n'ai pas passé 3h à tout vérifier en détail.
Mais tjrs pas de retour de vertice.... Pour le refuge grey
Ben oui, Vertice c'est le problème de tous ceux qui veulent réserver...
Est ce que lzs duvet sont fournies avec la location de la tente ?
Je ne sais pas.
Il est possible d acheter à manger dans lzs refuges ou il faut tout acheter a puerto natales ?
Il est possible de manger au restaurant dans les refuges (enfin pas forcément tous, je ne sais pas, il faut vérifier pour chacun). Après, acheter à manger, des paquets de biscuits hors de prix sûrement, du riz et des pâtes pas sûre, du fromage encore moins. De toute façon, si tu ne veux pas te ruiner, il vaut mieux acheter à Natales.
Bonjour, je pars à torres del paine début novembre, pour les resa c était la galère aucune réponse via les sites de réservation. Vertice patagonia, on a téléphoné : lendemain on avait le mail de confirmation et l ordre de paiement . fantastico sur, j ai envoyé un mail sur leur site contact pour demander des news de ma resa,2 jours après j avais l'email avec l ordre de paiement , idem pour les grands trajets en bus avec bus sur
Seul le site de réservation de la conaf à fonctionné immédiatement
Bon voyage
j'ai envoyé mail de relance a vertice, et si pas de reponse demain je vais les relance
fantastico tour j'ai envoyé le fichier word correctement rempli, j'espere avoir un retour rapide. on croise les doigts...
de quels grands trajets parles tu ? puerto natales - entrée du parc ? punta arenas - puerto natales ?
je pensais reserver directement sur place ... il faut s'y prend avant ?
Nous arrivons par l Argentine , et avons réservé Ushuaia puerto/ natalès et puerto natalès /el calafate
N hésite pas appeler vertice car pour nous la relance n à servi à rien!
Hi,
We’re planning to do the 4-day trek from Mestia to Ushguli without an agency. The descriptions mention that there are accommodations at each stop, but we can’t find any details about them. Has anyone got info or feedback on this route?
Je suis en train de développer une application Web gratuite et open source permettant de planifier des voyages à pied et à vélo (voire en voiture). Un itinéraire peut être créé en cliquant directement sur la carte pour ajouter des points de passage et il peut être composé de plusieurs étapes. L'application fournit des outils pour modifier les étapes et l'itinéraire global, pour afficher des informations utiles (distances, altitudes et dénivelés). Un profil de relief peut être affiché sous forme de graphique pour une étapes particulière ou pour l'ensemble de l'itinéraire.
Quand l'itinéraire est prêt, il peut être exporté sous forme de fichier GPX, qui peut enseuite être utilisé avec un GPS ou une application mobile de navigation.
L'application est implémentée en JavaScript et exécutée entièrement dans le navigateur Web. Elle utilise la bibliothèque Leaflet et plusieurs services basés sur OpenStreetMap. Initialement développé pour mes besoins personnels (je pratique la randonnées pédestre et le cyclo-tourisme), je serais heureux de la partager avec tous ceux qui peuvent la trouver utile. Elle est libre d'utilisation, ne nécessite pas de création de compte et le code source est disponible.
New to this forum, I’m planning a pretty big project for 2028.
I’m heading to Nepal to do a trek from Kathmandu all the way to Everest Base Camp (a cool 5,300 m 😄).
This trek is a bit special because even though I’ll be part of a group, I’m going solo (so far, no problem—I’m used to it). But it’s my first real trek, and it’s also a humanitarian one: once I reach base camp, I’ll stay an extra week to help clean up the waste left by tens of thousands of climbers! Since I’m originally from South America, from two countries that share the Andes, I have a deep respect for mountains—they fascinate me. So Everest… it’s kind of the trip of a lifetime!
So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
We're planning to trek in Peru and Bolivia and would love to find some local agencies.
If you know any, could you share details on prices and, of course, the names of the agencies?
Which trek would you recommend?
Elocine
I'm heading out on a fully self-sufficient trek in Morocco (10 days) from Imilchil to Aghbalou.
Can I find screw-on gas canisters (Coleman, Primus) in Marrakech (any addresses?) or in villages between Imilchil and Aghbalou?
If not, are Butagaz canisters for camping gas (small 230g size) available?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello, I’d like to embark on a little trip in my home country, Switzerland. I’ll start walking from La Cure, heading toward Le Noirmont first, then I’ll improvise my route—but it’ll probably follow the French border... at least as far as Lac de Joux.
I’ll decide day by day how much farther to go after that. My goal is to stay in nature as much as possible, wander around for as long as I can, and restock food in villages or towns along the way.
I’m thinking of mostly camping, but we’ll see if I end up in a hotel or another campsite depending on my route.
I’d love to reach La Chaux-de-Fonds on foot... maybe even Delémont.
The whole thing should take about a week, give or take.
I’ll be bringing my dog, and I’m preparing for this as soon as I’m ready.
Any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly for us? Things I should know—or avoid? What about shepherds with their flocks of sheep? And isn’t hunting season open right now?
I’m not sure if what I’m planning is even doable, which is why I’m asking around.
This’ll be my first time doing something like this—wandering in nature *and* with a dog. I’m really excited for this adventure... and I need it. Thanks!
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries!
Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike.
It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge.
I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle.
In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details:
We arrive in early August and leave in early September.
We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery!
We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat?
Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations.
Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July.
I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route.
Can anyone give me some info on this?
Thanks!
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there?
A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions?
For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip...
Thanks for your tips!
Have a great day,
Anie, Toulouse
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice?
Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish.
I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips?
Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina?
At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands.
Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili.
Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?)
There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4.
If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit.
if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips.
Here are my questions:
- Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages)
- I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share!
Yann
