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Rénovation de la route du mont Qomolangma (Everest, Tibet)
by Carambar74
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
salut Carambar !
malheureusement cela deja commencer ......🙁
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
c'est trop simple comme question! la modernité est réservée a l'occident,
les autres doivent conserver leurs cultures et traditions pour que nous puissions les observer a leur état original.😛
Comme le nouveau chemin de fer reliant Beijing et Tibet, c'est scandaleux de permettre aux tibétains de pouvoir découvrir le monde, du moins d'avoir un acces facile.😎
Je félicite l'auteur d'avoir utilisé le vrai nom du mont Everest, et c'est le nom qui doit etre utilsé en tout le temps (Qomolangma).
Comme le nouveau chemin de fer reliant Beijing et Tibet, c'est scandaleux de permettre aux tibétains de pouvoir découvrir le monde, du moins d'avoir un acces facile.😎
Je félicite l'auteur d'avoir utilisé le vrai nom du mont Everest, et c'est le nom qui doit etre utilsé en tout le temps (Qomolangma).
Sazlut le Chinois !😉
pourquoi ? tout simplement parce que ce "sanctuaire" est en passe de devenir un veritable "luna park", que jusque la, l'acces au camp de base restait encore une "aventure" et que la future arrivee massive de touristes au pied de la montagne ne va faire qu'accroitre les probleme de pollution et de preservation de ce site deja bien defigure.....🙁
Pour notre ami Canadien..cela n'a rien a voir avec l'evolution ou avec une quelconque remise en question de quoi que ce soit mais si tu avais connu ces lieux il ya quelques annes en arriere et si tu aimes un tant soit peu la nature, tu ne peux qu'etre choquer par ce qui est en train de se passer en Chine, au Tibet et dans la chaine Himalayenne en general !!
Lorsque tu parles du train qui relie Pekin, je croi sque tu fais une grossiere erreur, ce ne sont pas les Tibetains qiu vont en profiter (sauf quelques privilegies) mais belk et bien les Chinois qui s'en servent à double titre, premierement pour faire rentrer massivement leurs compatriotes au Tibet et ensuite pour faire gonfler leur poches de devises grace a des milliers (millions) de touristes qui trouve ce moyen bien pratique et pas trop fatiguant !!!!!!!!!
pourquoi ? tout simplement parce que ce "sanctuaire" est en passe de devenir un veritable "luna park", que jusque la, l'acces au camp de base restait encore une "aventure" et que la future arrivee massive de touristes au pied de la montagne ne va faire qu'accroitre les probleme de pollution et de preservation de ce site deja bien defigure.....🙁
Pour notre ami Canadien..cela n'a rien a voir avec l'evolution ou avec une quelconque remise en question de quoi que ce soit mais si tu avais connu ces lieux il ya quelques annes en arriere et si tu aimes un tant soit peu la nature, tu ne peux qu'etre choquer par ce qui est en train de se passer en Chine, au Tibet et dans la chaine Himalayenne en general !!
Lorsque tu parles du train qui relie Pekin, je croi sque tu fais une grossiere erreur, ce ne sont pas les Tibetains qiu vont en profiter (sauf quelques privilegies) mais belk et bien les Chinois qui s'en servent à double titre, premierement pour faire rentrer massivement leurs compatriotes au Tibet et ensuite pour faire gonfler leur poches de devises grace a des milliers (millions) de touristes qui trouve ce moyen bien pratique et pas trop fatiguant !!!!!!!!!
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
Bonjour
mais c'est déjà défiguré........😠
en fait la rénovation de cette route est pour le confort de tous les touristes. C'est vrai ca habitués au lit avec un vrai matelas, un radiateur pour se chauffeur l'hiver, des routes gourdonnées pour parcourir certains pays de la planète, un chauffe biberon électrique, un appraiel photo numérique etc etc ; alors pourquoi n'y aurait -il pas un bonne route pour aller faire un petit treck la bas au pays des yaks????? bon j'arrete la... je suis ironique ce matin......
Bonne journée a tous
Franc
<< .....notre soif de survie dans le futur nous rend incapables de vivre dans le présent .....>>. Chuang TZU
en fait la rénovation de cette route est pour le confort de tous les touristes. C'est vrai ca habitués au lit avec un vrai matelas, un radiateur pour se chauffeur l'hiver, des routes gourdonnées pour parcourir certains pays de la planète, un chauffe biberon électrique, un appraiel photo numérique etc etc ; alors pourquoi n'y aurait -il pas un bonne route pour aller faire un petit treck la bas au pays des yaks????? n
Bonjour Franca, et oui, c'est exactement çà et c'est bien ce qui est terrible dans un tel coin, on pourrait meeme aller plus loin en imaginant que les chinois aillent au bout de leur projet en installant un telepherique jusqu'au camp I voir au camp II sur l'arête comme il a ete prevu il y a un peu plus de 5 ans (pour le moment abandone devant les petitions des alpinistes et des differentes federation de la montagne - en plus, les permis d'ascension de ce cote si elle sont moins cheres que cote Nepalais permettent de rentrer beaucoup d'argent, donc ....) Ces endroit sont (ou etaient) des sanctuaires auxquels il ne fallait pas toucher, ils faisaient partis integrante de l'expedition et si l'ouverture aux tourisme etait permise, il fallait que cette derniere se fasse de ma, niere reflechie, ne pas oublier non plus que si les voyageurs ont du plaisir a venir ici, c'est aussi parce que les difficultes d'acces faisaient partis integrantes du voyage, c'est aussi parce que les lieux étaient reputes comme preserves .... mais que va t'il nous rester dans 10 ans et surtout que restera t'il a nos enfants ? 😠😕
Bonjour Franca, et oui, c'est exactement çà et c'est bien ce qui est terrible dans un tel coin, on pourrait meeme aller plus loin en imaginant que les chinois aillent au bout de leur projet en installant un telepherique jusqu'au camp I voir au camp II sur l'arête comme il a ete prevu il y a un peu plus de 5 ans (pour le moment abandone devant les petitions des alpinistes et des differentes federation de la montagne - en plus, les permis d'ascension de ce cote si elle sont moins cheres que cote Nepalais permettent de rentrer beaucoup d'argent, donc ....) Ces endroit sont (ou etaient) des sanctuaires auxquels il ne fallait pas toucher, ils faisaient partis integrante de l'expedition et si l'ouverture aux tourisme etait permise, il fallait que cette derniere se fasse de ma, niere reflechie, ne pas oublier non plus que si les voyageurs ont du plaisir a venir ici, c'est aussi parce que les difficultes d'acces faisaient partis integrantes du voyage, c'est aussi parce que les lieux étaient reputes comme preserves .... mais que va t'il nous rester dans 10 ans et surtout que restera t'il a nos enfants ? 😠😕
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
aie aie aie,
je pensais pas que cela souleverais autans de debat...
moi ce que j'ai envie de dire par rapport a ca, c'est que le probleme n'est pas de savoir si il faut goudronner la route de l'EBC ou pas, sil faut construir un train pekin lhassa ou pas, etc etc la liste est longue,
le vrai probleme c'est que ces decision sont imposé au tibetain par la chine. qu'ils construisent des route, qu'ils construisent des trains si ils veulent mais qu'ils puissent le faire dans la liberté de leur choix et non pas sous contrainte d'une puissance etrangere.
salut Carambar....., je te suis en plus sur ce terrain "puissance 100" 😉 !!!
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
Bonjour CARAMBAR
en réponse à : je pensais pas que cela souleverais autans de debat...
et alors heureusement qu'il y a encore des débats. Nous somems des gens civilisés et on peut discuté non ??? pas de souci de mon côté.
bonnejournée Franca
et alors heureusement qu'il y a encore des débats. Nous somems des gens civilisés et on peut discuté non ??? pas de souci de mon côté.
bonnejournée Franca
<< .....notre soif de survie dans le futur nous rend incapables de vivre dans le présent .....>>. Chuang TZU
"je pensais pas que cela souleverais autans de debat... "
Je pensais pas a mal en disant ca, je fesais juste remarquer que le "simple" fait qu'on goudronne une route au tibet provoque de vive reaction de la pars de nombreuse personnes, chaque idée exposée etant bien entendue defendable ou contestable, et comme tu le dis si bien Franca, "...heureusement qu'il y a encore des débats..." et nous avons la chance d'etre libre de pouvoir exposer nos idées il serait dommage de ne pas profiter de ce privilege.😉 pas de souci de mon octé non plus 😛
bonne journée
Je pensais pas a mal en disant ca, je fesais juste remarquer que le "simple" fait qu'on goudronne une route au tibet provoque de vive reaction de la pars de nombreuse personnes, chaque idée exposée etant bien entendue defendable ou contestable, et comme tu le dis si bien Franca, "...heureusement qu'il y a encore des débats..." et nous avons la chance d'etre libre de pouvoir exposer nos idées il serait dommage de ne pas profiter de ce privilege.😉 pas de souci de mon octé non plus 😛
bonne journée
Bonjour tout le monde, et en particulier Carambar (😉je reviens sur VoyageForum !)
Pour continuer le débat : http://french1.peopledaily.com.cn/Tourisme/5895221.html En fait, c'est quasiment la même info, comme toutes les infos "asseptisées" qui sortent de Chine. Mais là on nous dit aussi que les rites tibétains n'ont pas été modifiés par le tourisme.
Bref, dans cette histoire, il faut bien comprendre que le tourisme ou l'amélioration du confort pour les touristes n'est absolument pas la priorité. C'est juste une excuse pour construire une route potable qui permettra d'encore mieux maîtriser stratégiquement la région. Et nos pays y participent. La collaboration sino-italienne a déjà permis de mettre une station de mesure scientifique (météo, qualité de l'air) sur l'Everest. Mais là aussi, la science est un beau prétexte. J e serais curieuse de savoir quel grand pays va participer à cette autoroute. D'où viennent les locomotives du train Pékin-Lhassa ?! Enfin, la France a l'air, pour le moment, assez clean, même si bien silencieuse.
Comme le dit Carambar, le tout est de savoir si les Tibétains sont d'accord ou non. C'est bien là le souci : ils n'ont aucun pouvoir décisionnel pour orienter le futur qu'ils souhaitent pour leur pays.
Dans le même style, et pour élargir le débat, regardez un peu ce qui se passe à Taiwan. C'est inquiétant aussi, et ça a bien sûr des causes internationales. Enfin, je m'arrête là car, habitant à Pékin, il se peut que tout ça ne passe pas la cyber-douane !
Et je pars au Tibet la semaine prochaine !! Eh oui, Carambar, je n'ai pas pu partir en Août, et je me cale sur les vacances chinoises ! Je descendrai je pense dans la pension que tu recommandes (Kirey).
bon we à tous !
Pour continuer le débat : http://french1.peopledaily.com.cn/Tourisme/5895221.html En fait, c'est quasiment la même info, comme toutes les infos "asseptisées" qui sortent de Chine. Mais là on nous dit aussi que les rites tibétains n'ont pas été modifiés par le tourisme.
Bref, dans cette histoire, il faut bien comprendre que le tourisme ou l'amélioration du confort pour les touristes n'est absolument pas la priorité. C'est juste une excuse pour construire une route potable qui permettra d'encore mieux maîtriser stratégiquement la région. Et nos pays y participent. La collaboration sino-italienne a déjà permis de mettre une station de mesure scientifique (météo, qualité de l'air) sur l'Everest. Mais là aussi, la science est un beau prétexte. J e serais curieuse de savoir quel grand pays va participer à cette autoroute. D'où viennent les locomotives du train Pékin-Lhassa ?! Enfin, la France a l'air, pour le moment, assez clean, même si bien silencieuse.
Comme le dit Carambar, le tout est de savoir si les Tibétains sont d'accord ou non. C'est bien là le souci : ils n'ont aucun pouvoir décisionnel pour orienter le futur qu'ils souhaitent pour leur pays.
Dans le même style, et pour élargir le débat, regardez un peu ce qui se passe à Taiwan. C'est inquiétant aussi, et ça a bien sûr des causes internationales. Enfin, je m'arrête là car, habitant à Pékin, il se peut que tout ça ne passe pas la cyber-douane !
Et je pars au Tibet la semaine prochaine !! Eh oui, Carambar, je n'ai pas pu partir en Août, et je me cale sur les vacances chinoises ! Je descendrai je pense dans la pension que tu recommandes (Kirey).
bon we à tous !
Murielle GHESTEM
www.transcarpates.org
www.transmuraille.org
Je reviens sur les ondes, puisque ça a l'air de passer !
Je vous invite à aller lire : http://www.aujourdhuilachine.com/article.asp?IdArticle=4275&IdBloc=1&Commentaires=1#Commentaires
Il est complètement illusoire de penser que les Chinois vont respecter la culture tibétaine quand on comprend qu'ils ne respectent même pas la leur.
Bon wend à tous !
Je vous invite à aller lire : http://www.aujourdhuilachine.com/article.asp?IdArticle=4275&IdBloc=1&Commentaires=1#Commentaires
Il est complètement illusoire de penser que les Chinois vont respecter la culture tibétaine quand on comprend qu'ils ne respectent même pas la leur.
Bon wend à tous !
Murielle GHESTEM
www.transcarpates.org
www.transmuraille.org
La france ne serait peut etre pas aussi clean qu'elle en a l'aire,
une societé francaise specialisée dans la conception de logiciel informatique aurait vendu a la chine un programme cappable de surveiller les comunication internet du reseau chinois, de detecter et bloquer les flux d'information contenant un certain nombre de mot clefs appartenant a une liste defini a l'avance. (une liste du style: Tibet Liberté, Prison, Envahisseur, occupation ... etc) la liste doit etre longue et le champ lexiquale bien siblé. meme si la mission initial de ce logiciel dans son pays d'origine semble etre la lutte anti-terroriste, je doute que ce noble objectif soit toujours le meme lorsqu'il est utilisé par la chine.
pas mal pour le pays des droit de l'homme tout de meme.
pour plus d'info voir les articles de la base de donnée dedié a l'actualité du Tibet, dispo sur mon site perso dans la rubrique ACTU en page principâle.
La cyber patrouille
Internet censuré
j'ai eu cette info par le bouche a oreil, alors si qqun peux me confirmer les fait ca serait bien tout de meme.
La cyber patrouille
Internet censuré
j'ai eu cette info par le bouche a oreil, alors si qqun peux me confirmer les fait ca serait bien tout de meme.
J'ai aussi ouie dire que la chine aurai proposé au pays occidentaux la possibilite de stocker des dechet nuclaire dans les sous-sol Tibetain.
difficile de savoir quel sont les pays a qui la proposition a pu etre faite, mais il est fort probable que cette solution pourrai interresser la france dont tout le monde sais qeu le nucleaire est l'une des source d'energie preponderante.....
a ce sujet je pense que la seul chose qui sauve le Tibet aujourdh'ui c'est l'opinion internationnale qui a mon avis ne tolererai pas une tel action de la pars du gouvernent chinois et de la pars des pays d'ou les dechet serait originaire.
si les pays riche sont en mesure pour des raison politique est economique de refuser cette offre, qu'en est il de la pars des pays en vois de developpement eyant deja a disposition du nuclaire civile.
la aussi je n'ai eu aucune confirmation de cette information, si qqun peu nous eclairer a ce sujet....
Affaire a suivre.
la aussi je n'ai eu aucune confirmation de cette information, si qqun peu nous eclairer a ce sujet....
Affaire a suivre.
Même si le tourisme, contrôlé, intéresse les chinois pour l'apport de devises, il est clair que l'objectif premier des chinois, autant en construisant cet axe ferrovière qu'une route vers l' Ecb n'est en rapport avec celui-ci que pour la " façade".
L'important, c'est la facilité d'accès pour un transport de matières premières et de colons, c'est la possibilité stratégique de déplacement plus rapide de troupes.
Et je n'ose pas imaginer l'Ecb transformé en site touristique à la chinoise, betonné et cerclé de parkings-restaurants où se déversent chaque jour des dizaines de bus, gonflé d'humains encapuchonnés et mitrallant les sommets en fond de leurs portraits, en 5 minutes chrono, avant d'avoir acheté la bricole-souvenir et après avoir écouté sagement le discours du guide gouvernemental encostumé de pseudo-tradition tibètaine et armé d'un haut-parleur.
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Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?
Hi there,
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
I'm planning a 19-day itinerary in Japan this summer.
For a first trip, Kyoto seems like a must. For the rest, I'm torn between:
- Matsumoto, Takayama, Kanazawa for 5 to 6 days
- Kyoto 4 days
- Nara 2 days
- Koyasan 1 day
- Hakone/Mount Fuji 2 to 3 days
- Tokyo 3 days
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there!
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
Hi everyone who’s reading this!
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
Hi everyone,
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
hi everyone, and first of all, I wish you all a happy new year and good health!
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Japan in April/May.
I’ll start my journey in Tokyo for 3 to 4 days.
I’d love your advice on accommodation, transportation, an itinerary, and whether a guide would be useful.
I’m traveling solo and could use a little reassurance.
Before I forget... how do payments work?
Thanks for your help, Petra
Thanks for your help, Petra
Hi there,
I’m looking for someone who could help me organize a trip to Japan for my niece and her son. I’ve seen that French-speaking guides are expensive, and the same goes for going through a tour operator.
Airline, local transportation, hotels, etc.
Thanks for your replies!
Betsyl