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Quelqu'un peut il me dire si la route est finie ?
Merci
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Route Zagora - Foum Zguid finie?
by Hannahannah
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Bonjour,
Googlle-Earth, images du 26/01/2016:
Goudron sur les 2/3 à partir de Foum-Zguid,
A + ?
Razul
Merci pour l'info .
Mais est-ce que quelqu'un sait si ca passe avec une Logan pour la partie piste .
Pas envie de galère surtout avec une voiture de location 😉😉
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Merci pour ta réponse ,
Est ce par dégradation ( les inondations ) qu'il y a peu de goudron ou tout simplement parce qu’elle n'est pas finie ? j'ai des informations très contradictoires sur cette route . Combien de temps faut il pour faire le parcours.
Est ce par dégradation ( les inondations ) qu'il y a peu de goudron ou tout simplement parce qu’elle n'est pas finie ? j'ai des informations très contradictoires sur cette route . Combien de temps faut il pour faire le parcours.
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Bonjour Hannah , et a tous ce qui lisent ; chaque années depuis le temps ou il n'y avais qu'une petite piste caillouteuse mais que les petits pont étaient déja fait j'ai fait cette piste en 4x4 puis au fur a mesure des années elle a été amélioré , dans le but d'etre goudronné, car c'est un sacré raccourci pour aller a Zagora ou de Zagora vers Foum-Zguid maintenant je la fait en Camion et la dernière foi en Décembre 2015.
c'est vrai qu'en Décembre 2014 elle était dégradé par les inondations, mais on passait quand mème grâce a des déviations mais elle n'a pas encore était goudronné en entier, les choses ce font sur le long terme petit à petit.
De mémoire elle fait 130 km, le temps pour la parcourir ? deux a trois heures(pour moi) car je ne roule pas vite et en général j'y passe la nuit a coté de nomades avec qui nous échangeons
j'espère avoir répondu a tes questions
cordialement
jlmg
jlmg
Bonjour Hannah , et a tous ce qui lisent ; chaque années depuis le temps ou il n'y avais qu'une petite piste caillouteuse mais que les petits pont étaient déja fait j'ai fait cette piste en 4x4 puis au fur a mesure des années elle a été amélioré , dans le but d'etre goudronné, car c'est un sacré raccourci pour aller a Zagora ou de Zagora vers Foum-Zguid maintenant je la fait en Camion et la dernière foi en Décembre 2015.
c'est vrai qu'en Décembre 2014 elle était dégradé par les inondations, mais on passait quand mème grâce a des déviations mais elle n'a pas encore était goudronné en entier, les choses ce font sur le long terme petit à petit.
De mémoire elle fait 130 km, le temps pour la parcourir ? deux a trois heures(pour moi) car je ne roule pas vite et en général j'y passe la nuit a coté de nomades avec qui nous échangeons
j'espère avoir répondu a tes questions
cordialement
jlmg
Bonjour Jlmg Tu apportes de l'eau à mon moulin et je t'en remercie. En effet je viens de poster une discutions justement concernant cette piste, à savoir si elle est praticable en Duster 4x4. Je me pose également la même question sur la piste qui part de Merzouga jusqu'à Tagounite via Taouz et Agoult. Tu peux pour plus de détails et ne pas polluer le site me répondre en MP. A plus et merci d'avance.
Bonjour Jlmg Tu apportes de l'eau à mon moulin et je t'en remercie. En effet je viens de poster une discutions justement concernant cette piste, à savoir si elle est praticable en Duster 4x4. Je me pose également la même question sur la piste qui part de Merzouga jusqu'à Tagounite via Taouz et Agoult. Tu peux pour plus de détails et ne pas polluer le site me répondre en MP. A plus et merci d'avance.
Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos ancêtres, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants - Antoine de St-Exupéry
Bonjour Jamal, quand a celle qui vas de Merzouga a Tagounite, c'est goudron jusqu’à Taouz puis c'est piste , jusqu’à tagounite, en passant par Remalia, Tafraoute du désert , Agoult , et Tagounite
ce doit être faisable avec un Duster 4x4, mais l'ayant fait plusieurs je ne m'y aventurerais pas sans les points GPS, elle est assez longue, de tête 230 km et risque de se tromper de piste
cordialement
jlmg
jlmg
Bonjour,
Je recommande de lire le message: «N12 Foum Zguid - Zagora (Maroc)» du membre Songhai73.
«Voyager sans rencontrer l’autre, ce n’est pas voyager, c’est se déplacer»
Alexandra David Neel
Merci ,
Je viens de faire un tour sur ces posts et il semble bien que la route soit bonne , d'autre part j'ai eu d'autres infos qui me le confirme .
Je viens de faire un tour sur ces posts et il semble bien que la route soit bonne , d'autre part j'ai eu d'autres infos qui me le confirme .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
bonjour Hannah
c'est la route que j'ai faite en logan en février 2015 !
parfaite !
http://voyageforum.com/discussion/petite-escapade-coloree-sud-marocain-d6957786/
bon voyage !
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
bonjour Hannah
c'est la route que j'ai faite en logan en février 2015 !
parfaite !
http://voyageforum.com/discussion/petite-escapade-coloree-sud-marocain-d6957786/
bon voyage !
francia
C est super , ca va m éviter des kms . Un bon plan pour dormir à Foum Zig ?
C est super , ca va m éviter des kms . Un bon plan pour dormir à Foum Zig ?
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Bonsoir
je fais marcher ma mémoire 😕 et bien non , car on a pas fait de pose à Foum zguid !
je ne sais plus ou l'on s'est arrêté pour dormir ...Tata je crois et pose repas à Foum !
je cherche !
à plus !
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
Etre passé 1 fois avec un Logan ne prouve rien : c'est du même genre que "j'ai baisé sans capote et j'ai pas le sida" !
Après Remlia, il faut traverser le Rhéris, qui est très large à cet endroit. En général, c'est sec et la seule difficulté est de limiter les cahots. Mais s'il a coulé dans la semaine ou même la quinzaine qui précède, il faut traverser de longues coulées de boue spongieuse, collante : "bourbage" garanti, comme on dit là-bas, sans 4x4.
Un homme averti en vaut deux;
chibani
La question etait simple : la route est elle finie , est elle goudronnée de Foum Zig à Zagora .
Si elle est goudronnée il n'y a aucun problème dans ce cas une Logan ou un pot à yaourt Coréen peut passer', si elle ne l'est pas en effet il faut faire attention .
À quelle date êtes vous passe sur cette route la dernière fois ?
Je trouve certaines réponses très floues. Ce n'est pas de cette façon qu'on peut concevoir un itinéraire fiable .
À quelle date êtes vous passe sur cette route la dernière fois ?
Je trouve certaines réponses très floues. Ce n'est pas de cette façon qu'on peut concevoir un itinéraire fiable .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
bonjour
je ne pense pas qu'il parle de la route Zagora Foum zguid !
Taous c'est au sud de Merzouga donc rien à voir !
ne t'inquiète pas elle est top !
et même quand il y a des inondations , ce qui n'est pas le cas cette année , ça passe quand même tout doucement sur la déviation !
je vais certainement y passer mi avril , je te donnerais des news fraiches !
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
Decidemment cette route reste un mystère ....
Mais où as tu vu qu'il parlait de taous notre ami . Je situe bien c'est au sud de Merzouga , je connais , et bien sûr que je ne prendrais pas cette piste avec une Logan de location de plus .
Rappelons à toute fin utile que lorsqu'on loue une voiture on n'est jamais assuré sur une piste . D'où l'origine de ma question pour être sûre de ne pas me mettre dans le pétrin à défaut de la gadouille .
Ne t'inquiètes pas entre toi et des avis similaires sur un autre forum je reste sur l'idée qu'il n'y a aucun problème , mais c'est pour les autres qui n'ont peut être pas les mêmes infos que moi que je m'inquiète .
J'attends avec plaisir ton retour d'avril . J'ai le temps je part en Mai .
Mais où as tu vu qu'il parlait de taous notre ami . Je situe bien c'est au sud de Merzouga , je connais , et bien sûr que je ne prendrais pas cette piste avec une Logan de location de plus .
Rappelons à toute fin utile que lorsqu'on loue une voiture on n'est jamais assuré sur une piste . D'où l'origine de ma question pour être sûre de ne pas me mettre dans le pétrin à défaut de la gadouille .
Ne t'inquiètes pas entre toi et des avis similaires sur un autre forum je reste sur l'idée qu'il n'y a aucun problème , mais c'est pour les autres qui n'ont peut être pas les mêmes infos que moi que je m'inquiète .
J'attends avec plaisir ton retour d'avril . J'ai le temps je part en Mai .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
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onjour Jamal, quand a celle qui vas de Merzouga a Tagounite, c'est goudron jusqu’à Taouz puis c'est piste, jusqu’à tagounite, en passant par Remalia, Tafraoute du désert, Agoult, et Tagounite ce doit être faisable avec un Duster 4x4, mais l'ayant fait plusieurs je ne m'y aventurerais pas sans les points GPS, elle est assez longue, de tête 230 km et risque de se tromper de piste cordialement
onjour Jamal, quand a celle qui vas de Merzouga a Tagounite, c'est goudron jusqu’à Taouz puis c'est piste, jusqu’à tagounite, en passant par Remalia, Tafraoute du désert, Agoult, et Tagounite ce doit être faisable avec un Duster 4x4, mais l'ayant fait plusieurs je ne m'y aventurerais pas sans les points GPS, elle est assez longue, de tête 230 km et risque de se tromper de piste cordialement
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
nous y sommes passées en octobre dernier, en logan itoo, aucun souci. bonne route, paysages splendides.
J'y suis passée en Octobre en Logan , tres belle route et ça fait un sacré raccourci .
Le seul probleme c'est celui de toutes les routes neuves , on voit plein de petites pistes qui vont vers des bleds mais avec le bord refait on n'y a pas accès , sinon un vrai plaisir au niveau des paysages . A Foum Zgig l'hôtel Irikî est tres correct .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
on pense faire cette route en camping car en mars 2018. on aimerai faire toute la traversé. zagora-foum zguid- tata....jusqu'à la mer en fait on ferai dans l'autre sens.
sa faisable ?
sa faisable ?
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Tu peux faire sans probleme Zagora - Foum Zgig . La route dont je parle part entre Foum Zguig et Tata , pour être plus precise Apres Tissint , environ 6 ou 7 kms , elle ne vas pas jusqu'à Tata elle remonte sur Taliouine ., Il y en a une autre quî part directement de Tissint mais je ne l'ai pas trouvé.
Mais tu peux aussi sans aucun probleme faire Zagora - Foum Zguig - Tata et arriver tranquillement à l'océan .
Si tu veux d'autres renseignements . En attendant une photo prise du bord de la route .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Salut Marcel ,
Tu es sûr que l'on parle de lä meme route , je n'ai vu sur 120 kms qu'un seul village , les autres sont juste avant d'arriver sur la route de Taliouine , d'où mon interrogation sur les pastèques '...😉
Tu es sûr que l'on parle de lä meme route , je n'ai vu sur 120 kms qu'un seul village , les autres sont juste avant d'arriver sur la route de Taliouine , d'où mon interrogation sur les pastèques '...😉
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Oh ! que si il il a des pastéques
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Alexandra David Neel
je parle de la n12 qui fait zagora foum zguid tissint tata, icht, bouizakarne et après l'océan
sa passe pas du tout par taliouine c'est plus haut là.
en fait nous on veut faire tan tan - m'Hamid pour allé au festival des nomades en passant par icht et foum zguid
sa passe pas du tout par taliouine c'est plus haut là.
en fait nous on veut faire tan tan - m'Hamid pour allé au festival des nomades en passant par icht et foum zguid
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s'était quant les pasteque ?
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Je parle de la route Zagora-Foum-zguid
Les pastèques en Avril/Mai
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Alexandra David Neel
oui on parle bien de la meme route.
ah zut sa sera trop tot pour les pastèques !!
ah zut sa sera trop tot pour les pastèques !!
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Bonjour ,
en fait nous on veut faire tan tan - m'Hamid pour allé au festival des nomades en passant par icht et foum zguid
La N12 est entièrement goudronnée de TATA à Foum Zguid. Mais TAN TAN est sur la N1 qui remonte sur Goulmim jusqu'à Bouizakarne croisement des deux nationales , êtes vous sur que c'est Tan Tan ?
en fait nous on veut faire tan tan - m'Hamid pour allé au festival des nomades en passant par icht et foum zguid
La N12 est entièrement goudronnée de TATA à Foum Zguid. Mais TAN TAN est sur la N1 qui remonte sur Goulmim jusqu'à Bouizakarne croisement des deux nationales , êtes vous sur que c'est Tan Tan ?
oui oui tan tan c'est au bord de l'océan. se que je voulais dire c'est qu'on va partir de l'océan prendre cette route icht tata foum zguid zagora et arrivé à m'Hamid
on veut allé à la réserve à sous massa et après on ne sas pas encore ..quelque part au bord de la mer avant de traverser jusqu'à m'hamid
on veut allé à la réserve à sous massa et après on ne sas pas encore ..quelque part au bord de la mer avant de traverser jusqu'à m'hamid
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bonjour hannahannah
non je ne me trompe pas c est bien la N 12 qui vas de zagora a foom zguid et crois moi a la saison des pasteques il en pars sur les marchers 120 camions par jour c est astronomique!! si bien que ces cultures pompe tellement d eau que cet ete a zagora le debit de l eau ete tres faible ce qui oblige les autorites a prevoir 1 ou 2 barrages pour y remedier
non je ne me trompe pas c est bien la N 12 qui vas de zagora a foom zguid et crois moi a la saison des pasteques il en pars sur les marchers 120 camions par jour c est astronomique!! si bien que ces cultures pompe tellement d eau que cet ete a zagora le debit de l eau ete tres faible ce qui oblige les autorites a prevoir 1 ou 2 barrages pour y remedier
@ tous
Toutes mes excuses , j'ai confondu deux posts , un où je parlais de la route de Tissint à Taliouine et celui la . D'où la méprise sur les melons . 😉😉
Toutes mes excuses , j'ai confondu deux posts , un où je parlais de la route de Tissint à Taliouine et celui la . D'où la méprise sur les melons . 😉😉
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Tu peux faire Tan Tan M'hamid par ton itineraire , tout est goudronné .
J'ai repondu en pensant que c'était un autre post .
Pour Tan Tan tu vas jusqu'à El Outia ( Tan Tan plage ) pour etre au bord de l'Atlantique .
De Tan Tan pour rattraper la n°12 tu passe par Guelminn et de lä une route directe te ramène sur la 12 .
Toutes mes excuses pour cette erreur .😎
Que se vuelva la tortilla
pas de problème. avant de faire la traversé on va allé à la réserve de souss massa pour voir les oiseaux
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C'est une bonne idee .
Faites donc une halte à Tiznit pour la soiree .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
en fait on va faire Essaouira, sous massa, tafraoute en passant par adai, ensuite icht en passant par les gorges ai mansor, foum zguid et m'Hamid pour le festival...et retour par ait benhadou
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en fait j'ai vu que vous aimez l'ornithologie. vous êtes allé voir l'ibis chauve à sous massa ?
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Bien sûr ,
On peut aussi les observer à Aglou , et au dessus d'Agadir à Tamri , il faut remonter un peu l'embouchure . Bonne balade
On peut aussi les observer à Aglou , et au dessus d'Agadir à Tamri , il faut remonter un peu l'embouchure . Bonne balade
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Bonjour
Il y en une colonie ( j' en ai vu et filmé au moins une centaine il y a 2 ans)sur la très jolie piste côtière entre Tifnit et Massa, non loin du parc animalier de Takat.
au secours alors je vais ou ? je pensais allé au parc à sous massa pour en voir du coup avec ce que vous me dite je sais pas si c'est la que c'est mieux d'allé. on avais trouvé un endroit sympa ou s'arrêter avec la camping car sa s'appelle la dune
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Ne vous embêtez pas , suivez votre idee .
Ces petites bêtes ça se deplace , ca voyage , le parc n'est pas un zoo , de toute façon vous ferez certainement un tour . Prenez la piste que vous indique Aoeroa si cela est possible , meme s'ils n'y sont pas le coin est beau .
Dans cette région de toute façon on les voit facilement .
Vous pouvez aussi prendre contact avec le membre Petittailla quî a l'occasion d'en voir à Aglou .
Les oiseaux ça demande de la patience , mais pour les ibis chauves c'est tout de même assez facile .
Bonne balade et bonne observation .
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merci pour ces infos
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super merci en fait c est vers l embouchure de l'oued. c est la qu' on pesais les chercher. les animaux on leur habitudes leurs heures sympa de nous avoir donné ces infos.
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I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hi everyone,
I'm looking for accommodation in Tabarka for 3 nights in mid-July. I’m only finding offers for large hotel complexes.
We’re looking for something more authentic, like a guesthouse or similar.
I could use some help because I’m not finding anything like that.
Have a great day!
I'm looking for accommodation in Tabarka for 3 nights in mid-July. I’m only finding offers for large hotel complexes.
We’re looking for something more authentic, like a guesthouse or similar.
I could use some help because I’m not finding anything like that.
Have a great day!
Hi there,
I’m looking for info about driving a vehicle in Tunisia.
Is it complicated?
Do I need an international driver’s permit?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Any recommendations?
Have a great day
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Any recommendations?
Have a great day
It's all in the title.
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
I’m looking for some friendly recommendations for places to stay in Marrakech for 3 nights in June 2026.
In the meantime, have a great day, everyone! Thanks so much in advance.
hi,
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day
Good evening, everyone!
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
Tickets for entry to Majorelle Garden are only issued online via an official site
(though there are fraudulent sites out there). On the official site, they ask for legitimate info
(name, nationality, etc.). What made me go "hmm" was the request for both an email address
AND a password (with confirmation). Is this normal?
Thanks for your replies.
Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!