je compte faire le TMB cet été, il me faudrai obtenir quelques infos sur le ravitaillement et les possibilités de couchage en bivouac, aussi le trek est donné en 11 j. je crois, est'il possible de le racourcir un peu sans pour autant chunter les étapes !? merci à vous tous
Tour du Mont Blanc début juillet
by Manudemetz
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bjr à tous,
je compte faire le TMB cet été, il me faudrai obtenir quelques infos sur le ravitaillement et les possibilités de couchage en bivouac, aussi le trek est donné en 11 j. je crois, est'il possible de le racourcir un peu sans pour autant chunter les étapes !? merci à vous tous
je compte faire le TMB cet été, il me faudrai obtenir quelques infos sur le ravitaillement et les possibilités de couchage en bivouac, aussi le trek est donné en 11 j. je crois, est'il possible de le racourcir un peu sans pour autant chunter les étapes !? merci à vous tous
Manu
tout dépend des variantes que tu prends, mais c'est faisable en 7/8 jours
pas de problème au niveau ravitaillement, et pour le bivouac, il n'est pas autorisé en dehors des zones de bivouac et de camping.
je te conseil le topo guide de la fédération de randonnée, y a tt les réponses aux question que tu peux de poser
www.gr.dubuis.net
www.gr.dubuis.net
J'ai un petit conseil à te donner: pars le plus léger possible pour profiter un max de ce très beau et très difficile parcours.
N'hésites pas à me contacter si tu as besoin de plus d'info. A+
Christophe
N'hésites pas à me contacter si tu as besoin de plus d'info. A+
Christophe
Le TMB est ma première marche de plus de deux jours, on est parti en autonomie complète avec beaucoup trop de chose inutile.
Ca m'a servit pour le Népal par la suite.
Cependant, les deux treks au Népal sont de la rigolade en comparaison du TMB et ce malgré l'altitude et la durée des Treks!
Le TMB c'est qd meme 10 000 m de dénivelé positif et autant en descente, fait en 8 jours.
Avec l'experience et le recul, le TMB reste, il me semble, un parcours difficile qui n'est pas accessible à toute personne voulant se le faire en autonomie.
C'est aussi un parcours sur le lequel on en prends plein les yeux tous les jours, et je le referais avec plaisir une nouvelle fois et avec une meilleur organisation pour profiter encore plus des decors grandioses.
N'es tu pas d'accord avec moi Simon?
N'es tu pas d'accord avec moi Simon?
c'était aussi ma première grande randonnée, et j'étais également beaucoup trop chargé a l'époque ce qui m'a valu un blessure au genoux, du coup j'ai fini mon TMB en boitant 😄
mais il n'y a aucun passage difficile (sauf peut être le passage d'une échelle a un moment) ca reste une randonnée. comme au Népal, sauf que là on subie le mal d'altitude.
j'ai un peu moins de dénivelé pour mon TMB, 8100 m positif en 7 jours
avais tu des porteurs au Népal ? c'est peut être de la que vient la sensation de différence de difficulté
le TMB comme une grande majorité des GR est abordable a tout le monde, après c'est les options que l'on prend qui rende les choses plus ou moins difficile, bivouac ou refuge, en 7 ou 10 jours...
Bonjour
Contrairement aux autres reponses, je te dirais que le TMB n'a rien d'extrem, et est bien plus facile qu'un treck au Népal avec des col en altitude. Il se fait sans probléme en 8 jours, c'est environ le temps moyen qu'on, fait avec des clients (j'étais Accompagnateur en montagne) avec des petits sacs. Pour les ravitos on passe plusieurs villages, à toi de gerer celà, pour les bibouacs je ne vois pas de problémes il n'y a pas d'interdiction.( sauf changement récent) Pour une personne un minimum entrainé pas de problème. Eviter un trop gros sac 15kg grand max. Ideal 12 13kg Bonne rando
Contrairement aux autres reponses, je te dirais que le TMB n'a rien d'extrem, et est bien plus facile qu'un treck au Népal avec des col en altitude. Il se fait sans probléme en 8 jours, c'est environ le temps moyen qu'on, fait avec des clients (j'étais Accompagnateur en montagne) avec des petits sacs. Pour les ravitos on passe plusieurs villages, à toi de gerer celà, pour les bibouacs je ne vois pas de problémes il n'y a pas d'interdiction.( sauf changement récent) Pour une personne un minimum entrainé pas de problème. Eviter un trop gros sac 15kg grand max. Ideal 12 13kg Bonne rando
J'ai pas dit que c'était extreme 🤪 au contraire
Désolé de te contredire voici l'extrait du Topo-Guide du TMB de la FFRP :
Camping Dans la vallée de Chamonix, le camping est interdit en dehors des places organisées. Le camping dit sauvage ou bivouac est interdit : dans la vallée des Chapieux, en Val d'Aoste en dessous de 2500 m et sur l'ensemble des territoires du Val Ferret suisse, à Champlex et dans le Val d'Arpette. En Val Ferret valdotain, le camping n'est possible que sur des terrains aménagés.
Après tu fais ce que tu veux, les marmottes n'ont pas de képi, mais respecte leur environnement. Si il y a te tel restriction dasn cette région, c'est que c'est l'une des régions des plus fréquenter des Alpes.
manudemetz, dans ce topo, il y a la liste des lieux ou l'on peu camper
Camping Dans la vallée de Chamonix, le camping est interdit en dehors des places organisées. Le camping dit sauvage ou bivouac est interdit : dans la vallée des Chapieux, en Val d'Aoste en dessous de 2500 m et sur l'ensemble des territoires du Val Ferret suisse, à Champlex et dans le Val d'Arpette. En Val Ferret valdotain, le camping n'est possible que sur des terrains aménagés.
Après tu fais ce que tu veux, les marmottes n'ont pas de képi, mais respecte leur environnement. Si il y a te tel restriction dasn cette région, c'est que c'est l'une des régions des plus fréquenter des Alpes.
manudemetz, dans ce topo, il y a la liste des lieux ou l'on peu camper
A Cham le bivouac est autorisé du couché au levé du soleil. En Suisse je n'étais pas au courrant.
Bon apres chacun fais ce qu'il veut. La régle n'est de laissé aucune trace de son passage.
Cette histoire d'interdiction est à double tranchant, faire du bisness et protéger la nature, je ne sais pas lequel est le plus fort enfin le 1er je pense.
Comme tu dis les marmottes n'on pas de kepi et en saison les refuges souvant complets.
Il y a la possibilité de camper à coté de certain refuge, et on trouve des campings sur l'itinéraire. Les Contamines, val ferret .....
le TMB n'est pas difficile, dans la (seule) mesure où on passe nécessairement par des villages avec ravito et tout (d'où charge réduite si l'on est en autonomie bouffe - possibilité de faire une étape "propreté" dans un gîte ou un camping ..)
Pour le reste et pour la charge, ça dépends (du temps : selon les hauteurs de neiges subsistant sur les cols et des conditions climatiques du moment - même en été, à 2.500 m., on est obligé de prévoir un équipement minimal correct ...)
Donc, de toutes façons, en autonomie (conseillée - un bivouac en altitude, là où l'on peut, c'est superbe ...) le sac sera lourd ... plus que certains l'indique, à moins de dépenser une fortune en équipement super-léger, ou bien sacrifier beaucoup (trop) de son (petit) confort ou de son équipement (jumelles, appareil photo, ...)
Prévoir en conséquence (surtout sac règlé "tip-top" et testé avant ...) ce n'est pas si terrible (je balade avec bonheur 18 kg en plus de mon excès pondéral !!) - Prévoir aussi DU TEMPS pour faire le plus possible de "variantes", en corniche, au dessus des vallées (certains secteurs de vallée de l'itinéraire "de base" sont ch...ts)
bon trek (ou bonne rando, comme on veut ..)
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
salut et merci pour tes infos, mais qu'entend tu par équipement minimal ( crampons, vetements chaud ?) mon probleme c'est l'eau, y a t'il des sources ou il faut compter sur les refuges en fin de journée. je compte faire que du bivouac car je dors mal ds les dortoirs a part la derniere nuit en général ou je m'offre un petit confort. la suisse et l'italie se travaerse bien on peut espérer gouter un peu de produits locaux ( nourriture) ?
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Manu
merci pour tes infos, je pense faire l'intégralité sans sortir de l'itinéraire de base, le guide je l'ai déjà mais tu vois l'année derniere j'ai fait l'oisans et malgré mes intentions je n'ai pas tenu mon programme, alors c'est difficile de ce projeter et de reserver les refuges notamment. cette année nous partons à 2 donc je pense qu'il n'y aura pas de probleme pour les rfuges au cas ou çà se passe mal question météo.
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Manu
équipement minimal : 1 "bon" vêtement chaud - 1 équipement sérieux "pluie" .... pour le matériel technique, en principe non, les qqs passages où la neige risque d'être encore présente en Juillet sont fréquentés, la trace est faite et des chaussures bien typées, semellle montagne "type VIBRAM" suffisent ... Pour l'eau, on est dans les Alpes du Nord, en Juillet, il y a encore des névés qui fondent : pas de problème, sinon de prévoir son bivouac à proximité d'un ruisseau (anticiper l'arrêt du soir !!) et des pastilles (ou système de filtration) pour rendre potable l'eau des torrents ... Bivouacs, bon choix (sauf poids du sac...) - Pour éviter les problèmes, bivouacs d'altitude et monter la tente en toute fin de journée (je n'ai jamais eu de problèmes, sauf dans qqs uns de nos parcs nationaux balisés et hyper-surveillés ...) - Pour les achats, entre Cham, le secteur des Condamines, Courmayeur, La Fouly, le secteur de Champex, - les villages avec courses, possibilité de camping "confort" et produits locaux ne manquent pas ... - evt, j'ai une page perso avec qqs éléments sur les randos en général et sur deux secteurs près de Cham à :
http://pageperso.aol.fr/thieujura/mesrando.html
Bon TMB (c'est magnifique et c'est une bonne introduction à la pratique de la rando "montagne"
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
moi aussi, c'était ma premiere rando de 7 jours en autonomie, j'avais 17 ans (c'était il y a longtemps), et le seul souvenir de difficulté c'etait mon sac !!!!!
nous sommes parties en juillet, et on a eu une meteo très variée sur 7 jours : soleil et chaleur à ....... grele !!!
mais de très bons souvenirs......;il y avait dejà bcp de monde sur le GR du TDM !!
tassathe
J'arrive un peu tard sur le sujet mais comme je l'ai déjà posté sur un autre message je me demandais si en 4 jours c'etait possible en autonomie? En forcant bien?
Par contre niveau monde c'est vraiment blindé ?
Si c'est le cas quelqu'un aurait il un bel itineraire à me proposer ? sur le meme type de distance, en un peu plus court peu etre !
Merci de ce partage d'experience !
Par contre niveau monde c'est vraiment blindé ?
Si c'est le cas quelqu'un aurait il un bel itineraire à me proposer ? sur le meme type de distance, en un peu plus court peu etre !
Merci de ce partage d'experience !
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Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada