Avec ma copine, nous sommes en train de prospecter pour notre voyage de l'été prochain. On hésite encore entre 2 ou 3 destinations (Indonésie, Madagascar et donc l'Ethiopie).
Le problème c'est que l'on trouve très peu de docs sur ce pays. C'est aussi ce qui nous attire, cette vague idée d'un pays pas totalement gangréné par le tourisme.
J'ai donc quelques questions assez basique et je préfère m'appuyer sur des gens connaissant le pays plutôt que sur internet.
- peut-on voyager en couple, sans passer par une agence, sans aucun risque ?
- pleut-il vraiment beaucoup en août ?
- le budget moyen, tout compris (hotel, bouffe, excursions, ...) est-il de 15-20 euros par jour ?
- 3 semaines en Ethiopie, cela vous paraît être correct ?
- au niveau des paysages, randonnées, excursions, est-ce que c'est le bonheur ?
Merci de m'aider, sachant que si les réponses sont positives, je pense sérieusement éliminer les autres destinations pour garder l'Ethiopie et à partir de là, j'aurai encore plus besoin des experts de Voyage Forum.
Bonjour,
- OUI bien sûr,
- OUI, surtout sur Addis, un peu moins dans le nord et peut être le sud
- OUI entre 15 et 20 sans faire de folie ça passe
- OUI, 3 semaines c'est bien pour le nord ou le sud mais pas les 2
- OUI c'est le bonheur
Fili
Avec ma copine, nous sommes en train de prospecter pour notre voyage de l'été prochain. On hésite encore entre 2 ou 3 destinations (Indonésie, Madagascar et donc l'Ethiopie).
Le problème c'est que l'on trouve très peu de docs sur ce pays. C'est aussi ce qui nous attire, cette vague idée d'un pays pas totalement gangréné par le tourisme.
on a les memes gouts puisque je reviens d'Indonésie et Mada faut que j y aille !
J'ai donc quelques questions assez basique et je préfère m'appuyer sur des gens connaissant le pays plutôt que sur internet.
- peut-on voyager en couple, sans passer par une agence, sans aucun risque ?
Oui en tout cas pour le nord et l 'est du pays - le sud et plus particulièrement la vallée de l omo ( peuples du sud c est plus dificille ... mais pas impossible ...
- pleut-il vraiment beaucoup en août ?
dans le nord et à Addis oui
- le budget moyen, tout compris (hotel, bouffe, excursions, ...) est-il de 15-20 euros par jour ?
si tu parles de budget MOYEN pousse jusqu à 25 euros par jour ...
- 3 semaines en Ethiopie, cela vous paraît être correct ?
c est tout à fait correct si tu privilégies 2 régions et pas plus
exemple : nord + est
mais en aout ce serait mieux sud +est
- au niveau des paysages, randonnées, excursions, est-ce que c'est le bonheur ?
tu tapes en plein dans le mille les paysages sont superbes et très variés aux 4 coins du pays ...il ne manque que la mer ....et la neige
Merci de m'aider, sachant que si les réponses sont positives, je pense sérieusement éliminer les autres destinations pour garder l'Ethiopie et à partir de là, j'aurai encore plus besoin des experts de Voyage Forum.
L Ethiopie est un pays hors du shéma traditionel car il peut vous envouter ou vous dérouter totalement - les relations en tant que voyageur individuel sont très controversées mais ne laissent pas indiférent ...
Je penses que le nord et l'est Harrar sont un bon plan pour un premier voyage de 3 semaines mais la période ( Aout n est pas bonne ...fin septembre est idéal par contre ...)
Pour le temps, c'est bien ce qu'il me semblait ; en août, il faut "subir" la mousson.
Je ne peux pas partir à un autre moment car je suis prof.
Le sud et l'est sont donc à privilégier à cette période. Mais vous dites que le mieux est de commencer par le nord. Pourquoi ? Parce que plus facile d'approche ?
J'ai une autre question importante : l'Ethiopie ne se résume pas à de l'ethno-tourisme ? Même si cet aspect est fascinant, je ne veux pas transformer mon périple en pur immersion, j'ai aussi et surtout besoin de pouvoir faire des randos (par contre, je me fous royalement du farniente, donc pas de problème à ce niveau là).
Avec ma copine, nous sommes en train de prospecter pour notre voyage de l'été prochain. On hésite encore entre 2 ou 3 destinations (Indonésie, Madagascar et donc l'Ethiopie).
Le problème c'est que l'on trouve très peu de docs sur ce pays. C'est aussi ce qui nous attire, cette vague idée d'un pays pas totalement gangréné par le tourisme.
J'ai donc quelques questions assez basique et je préfère m'appuyer sur des gens connaissant le pays plutôt que sur internet.
- peut-on voyager en couple, sans passer par une agence, sans aucun risque ?
- pleut-il vraiment beaucoup en août ?
- le budget moyen, tout compris (hotel, bouffe, excursions, ...) est-il de 15-20 euros par jour ?
- 3 semaines en Ethiopie, cela vous paraît être correct ?
- au niveau des paysages, randonnées, excursions, est-ce que c'est le bonheur ?
Merci de m'aider, sachant que si les réponses sont positives, je pense sérieusement éliminer les autres destinations pour garder l'Ethiopie et à partir de là, j'aurai encore plus besoin des experts de Voyage Forum.
Bonjour😉
Je ne connais malheureusement que deux des pays que tu parles c'est à dire l'Indonésie et bien sûr Madagascar que j'adore mais les trois sont super............ Il faut savoir que le mois d' Aout est un très bon mois pour Mada et qu'effectivement Chris à raison pour l'Ethiopie c'est un peu juste après le mois d'Aout c'est mieux surtout sur les hauts plateaux même dire Octobre novembre..........mais j'en rêve aussi d'y aller et il faut bien sûr y aller durant la bonne période.
Je ne peux pas te conseiller sur ce pays mais d'autres le pourront, parcontre si tu changes d'avis et que tu veux avoir des renseignements sur Mada, alors là pas de pbl.
Amicalement😎
Tant que la couleur de la peau sera plus importante que la couleur des yeux, nous ne connaitrons pas la paix.
Il n’y a pas de soucis à voyager en couple (ou seul(e) d’ailleurs), sans agence, en Ethiopie. Hormis les accidents de la route (mais il y en a partout dans le monde), il n’y a rien de bien spécial.
En août, vous êtes en pleine saison des pluies dans le Nord. Addis est également bien arrosé. La pluie, ça reste de la pluie. Le véritable souci est l’état des pistes lorsqu’ il a plu. Pour les tronçons goudronnés, il n’y a pas de problème…mais comme tout n’est pas goudronné, ce n’est pas toujours évident !
Par sécurité, montez à 25. En voyageant avec les transports collectifs, logeant dans des petits hôtels et mangeant dans des « petits restos », vous ne finirez pas ruinés. En définitive, c’est le billet d’avion A-R qui est, de loin, le plus gros post.
3 semaines pour le nord, oui mais bémol climatique et aussi si trek dans les Simiens plus boucle complète (via Axum). 3 semaines pour nord et sud, non, il vous faut un tapis volant…
Un bon compromis est de combiner sud et est.
Résumer le sud à l’ethno-tourisme n’est pas correct. Il y a des tas de possibilités à l’est comme à l’ouest de la route de Moyale. Trekker vers Dodola ou le Bale est une des multiples options.
Il y a de quoi en avoir plein les yeux même sans aller jusque dans ce « nouveau zoo humain » que devient l’Omo…
Si vous bouquinez le Bradt, vous aurez une excellente idée des diverses possibilités et digressions.
Merci pour les réponses.
Comme vous le dites, "la pluie c'est juste de la pluie". Donc oui, ce n'est pas forcément un problème, du moins tout est relatif.
Concernant l'avion, si l'Ethiopie m'attire c'est aussi parce que les billets y sont abordables (700€ A/R en pleine saison c'est 2 fois moins que pour Madagascar par exemple).
Je vais continuer de me documenter mais cette destination m'attire de plus en plus. J'ai l'impression que c'est un pays réussissant à combiner beaux paysages et cultures fascinantes, tout en étant encore préservé.
Pour la pluie, il faut « juste » voir si cela vous pose problème pour tout votre séjour. En effet, si vous choisissez le nord, même si vous ne trekkez pas dans les Simiens ou que vous zappez une partie, il faut malgré tout la subir…
Comparaison n’est pas raison mais il y a déjà des frictions/tensions/déconvenues/déceptions quand des gens voient leur séjour en Ecosse ou en Irlande « plombés » par une météo capricieuse. L’Ethiopie n’est pas pareille mais l’eau que vous allez prendre mouille tout autant qu’ailleurs…
Sinon, prendre ce contrepied climatique (y aller à la « mauvaise » saison) permet de voir cette partie tout autrement. C’est aussi une possibilité.
La proposition du sud et de l’est est tout à fait sérieuse et vous éloigne encore plus de la « majorité » des voyageurs qui optent pour le nord (mais qui y sont très peu nombreux pendant la saison des pluies)
J’ignore les chiffres mais même si on croise des voyageurs et que c’est le nord qui recueille majoritairement ceux-ci, on n’en est pas à croiser des tas de touristes comme dans bien d’autres pays. Pour un peu que l’on digresse ou que l’on s’arrête dans des coins paumés, vous risquez bien d’être les deux seuls faranjis du coin.
Manifestement, Madagascar est bien plus fréquentée.
Disons que si c'est une pluie de mousson, ce n'est pas vraiment un problème si (comme dans les autres pays ou j'ai pu subir ça) ces pluies se limitent à quelques heures bien précises par jour. A partir du moment que l'on arrive à se déplacer, l'essentiel est là. Et du moment que le soleil pointe le bout de son nez régulièrement, finalement l'essentiel est là.
Mais le Sud et l'Est sont-ils aussi intéressant que le Nord du pays ?
Ce que je voudrais savoir c'est si il y a de quoi "s'occuper" pendant 3 semaines sachant que je n'aime pas rester plus de 2 (max 3) jours dans un même endroit. Y'a-t-il des paysages, des lieux qui valent indubitablement le coup d'oeil ? Peut-on faire de treks de quelques jours ?
De plus, j'aimerai vraiment faire un tour du côté de désert de Danakil et du volcan Erta Ale, hors, c'est plus au nord. Ces lieux semblent ne pas subir la mousson. C'est jouable d'y faire un tour ou alors c'est un lieux très préservé ?
(je m'arrête là mais j'ai encore des dizaines de questions qui me viennent en tête au fur et à mesure de mes recherches)
Bonjour,
attention, la saison des pluies ne se traduit pas par une mousson telle que ce mot nous laisse imaginer, genre asie du sud est. Le nord de l'éthiopie est en altitude, il arrive l'été qu'il grêle des oeufs de pigeons. Dans le Siemens, d'après ce que m'a dit un garde, l'été la vue peut être complétement bouchée, tu te retrouves dans les nuages.
Sinon c'est un pays magnifique. Je pense que pour comprendre le peuple éthiopien, il faut parcourir le Nord, s'imprégner de leur histoire, de leur ferveur religieuse, c'est vraiment un pays africain à part.
Mais pourquoi ne rester que trois semaines si vous êtes enseignants. Une fois le billet d'avion acheté, la vie n'est pas chère sur place, surtout si vous utilisez les transports en commun. A ce propos, méfiez vous de la durée des trajets, surtout en saison des pluies
Si je me limite à 3 semaines c'est parce que mon amie n'est pas enseignante. Elle est limitée au niveau de ses congés.
Prochaine étape : trouver plus de renseignements sur l'Ethiopie sur Paris. Si quelqu'un connaît une asso, un lieu culturel, concernant l'Ethiopie, je suis preneur. C'est dans ce genre d'endroit que j'aurai le plus de renseignements concrets.
Quel que soit votre choix, vous n’avez pas assez d’une vie pour visiter toute l’Ethiopie. Avec trois semaines dans le sud et l’est, vous pouvez combinez ville ancienne comme Harar, vielles églises, entre autres, sur la route de Butajira, treks dans le Bale (dans la réserve naturelle ou vers Dodola), descendre une partie de la vallée du Rift (lacs, faune et flore), digresser à droite et à gauche. Même pousser jusque Laas Gaal est une possibilité.
Maintenant la suggestion de rester plus longtemps est pertinente. C’est seulement lorsque l’on dépasse le mois que le surcoût peut être significatif. Ce n’est pas le coût de la vie qui va plomber votre budget…
Hormis les Simiens (j’oublie volontairement le Danakil, je vais y revenir), le nord, c’est essentiellement de l’architecture. Les paysages sont somptueux mais les étapes sont majoritairement relatives aux sites et monuments. Les Simiens, les gorges du Nil bleu, les digressions depuis Lalibela ou le long de la route chinoise sont quelques une des possibilités « nature »
Au sud d’Addis, vous avez plus le côté nature. Il y a ça et là des vestiges archéologiques et de vielles églises mais dans l’ensemble, la vallée du Rift est « plus sauvage ».
Le sud-est, c’est le Bale. Il y a plusieurs possibilités de trekker.
Pour le Danakil et l’Erta Ale, il est impératif de bénéficier d’un encadrement assuré par une structure professionnelle, habituée à s’y rendre, bien équipée et bien au fait des conditions.
Cette zone située aux confins de l’Erythrée, à la géologie tourmentée, à la géographie particulière et avec des relations interethniques pas tjrs apaisées, demande d’office une structure adéquate, professionnelle et expérimentée. Le coût n’est pas négligeable.
Classe !
N'en jetez plus, je signe pour l'Ethiopie.
Il n'y a que le climat qui pour le moment me rebute, j'ai juste peur qu'on soit en permanence dans la flotte mais si vous me dites que le sud et l'est sont très intéressants et à l'écart, ça me convient.
Dès que j'officialise ma destination, je me tournerai vers vous pour mieux organiser le périple.
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Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
Hi,
I’m heading to Angola for two weeks starting mid-April and I’d like to rent a car to explore the country, but not a 4x4 to keep my budget in check. I plan to mostly stay in the western part and go as far as the Namibian border. Is it possible to drive in Iona Park without a 4x4, or to get to Kalendula or Piedra Negras? Also, is the Lubango–Huambo–Kuito–Malanje route doable in a city car? Lastly, do gas stations accept Visa?
Thanks for your feedback and tips!
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions:
- Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)?
The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛).
- I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪)
- Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?