Voyage individuel en Égypte
by Huglaurence
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Peut -on encore voyager en individuel en Egypte? De nombreux endroits sont inaccessibles aux touristes hors groupes semble-t-il .?.
J'y suis allée 3 fois en voyage avec des TO (croisière sur le nil, mer rouge, trek dans le sinaï) et maintenant j'ai envie de voir les sites archéologique plus en détails et à mon rythme.
Si vous en avez fait l'expérience, il y a peu de temps, quelles sont vos impressions?
Laurence
Laurence
Bonjour,
"De nombreux endroits sont inaccessibles aux touristes hors groupes semble-t-il .?."
On vous aura raconté des sornettes. Aucun lieu n'est accessible qu'en groupe.
Michel
"De nombreux endroits sont inaccessibles aux touristes hors groupes semble-t-il .?."
On vous aura raconté des sornettes. Aucun lieu n'est accessible qu'en groupe.
Michel
il y beaucoup de routes interdites en Egypte: quelles sont les régions inaccessibles avec un véhicule perso?
amitiés à tous
JMM
Bonjour,
Il n'y a quasiment aucune route interdite ; il y a certaines routes sur lesquels les véhicules avec des voyageurs étrangers doivent être escortés, mais on peut y circuler en bus publics librement, dans la grande majorité des cas.
Michel
Il n'y a quasiment aucune route interdite ; il y a certaines routes sur lesquels les véhicules avec des voyageurs étrangers doivent être escortés, mais on peut y circuler en bus publics librement, dans la grande majorité des cas.
Michel
SLT 🙂
En individuel c'est faisable 😉. Il ne faut pas louer de voiture 🏴☠️, pour traverser le pays, car tu as un N° de plaque spécial (donc très vite repéré par la police touristique ou autre). Et tu ne peux pas faire se que tu veux.
Tant que tu est autour du Caire çà va 😇, tu va même jusqu'au fayoun. Après c'est des barrages a chaque village, et tu es escorté, comme en autage. 😕
Mais quand il n'y as qu'une route carrossable, qu'on dit notre emploie du temps, ils ont lâchés un peu la bride!!! Mais il y avait un petit pont un petit chemin pour des écoliers 😛 comme nous!!!! Nous somme allés au site à visiter en arrivant de l'autre côté. En resortant nous étions attendu par un jeune lieutenant en colère !!!!! 😠😠😠
🤪 A louxor c'est pire, en dehort de la ville ce n'est que convoie !!!!
Si tu voyage en mini-bus ou en train pas touristique c'est super sympath !!!! 😏😉 Il y a des controles mais ils te laissent tranquiles.
En janvier nous allons pour la 1er x en afrique de l'ouest 4 mois, sauf le Sénegal que nous avions fait en 92.
Mais l'EGYPTE me manque 😕 et nous y retournerons!!!!!! 😇😎
Bon vent
CHANTAL
Cha&Gab
PS:
Si tu fais en "sac à dos" il faut du temps, les bus etc.....ne sont jamais en avance ou bien déjas pleins!!!!😏😄😉
CHANTAL
Cha&Gab
En réponse à ton message : On ne m'a pas "raconté de sornettes", mais je sais que pour aller à dendera, ou a abou simbel, nous voulions y aller en taxi et que ce n'etait pas possible, seuls les convois étaient possibles, au mois de mars 2007.Idem pour aller voir les petits temples le long su lac Nasser proches de Assouan :les taxis ne voulaient pas nous charger car ils n'ont pas le droit de sortir de la ville avec des touristes ( je cite)
Le long des quais de bateau il y a des barrages de police, pour empècher les "mal intentionnés" de rentrer sur les bateau, mais aussi pour nous dissuader le sortir des limites "touristiques".A Esna on n'avait pas le droit de descendre du bateau, alors que l'escale durait plusieurs heures et que nous voulions aller voir le temple, qui de ce fait nous est passé sous le nez. Que les candidat au voyage ne se découragent pas, nous avons vu mille autres choses qui donnent justement envie d'y retourner. Tous seuls.
On peut donc se demander, sans être parano, si le voyage individuel est encore envisageable dans des conditions de sécurité correctes. Donc nous sommes interessés par le vecu de ceux qui l'on fait il y peu de temps.
Laurence
Bonjour!
Tu soulèves une question intéressante... Tu parles de sécurité parce que tu penses que ces zones sont difficilement accessibles aux touristes pour des raisons de sécurité.
Je n'ai pas vraiment de réponse à te donner, mais les seuls endroits où les touristes ont été touchés sont ceux où au contraire on les incite justement à aller. Le seul problème de sécurité que peuvent rencontrer les touristes sont d'éventuels attentats. On ne peut pas les prévoir, mais ils ont toujours eu lieu dans des endroits très touristiques. Tu ne risqueras donc rien en t'aventurant dans les zones dont les autorités égyptiennes limitent l'accès. Et ne crois pas les gens qui te diront que c'est parce que les populations sont hostiles aux étrangers!!! Il y a d'autres raisons derrière tout ca... Il existe toujours des possibilités de partir hors convoi avec des bus locaux. La présence d'étrangers dans ces bus n'est pas interdite mais limitée à 10 par bus. Je l'ai fait pour Abu Simbel et j'ai eu le site pour moi toute seule puisque les "touristes convois" étaient déjà repartis. C'était génial! Pour le temple d'Esna, je ne comprends pas pourquoi vous n'avez pas pu aller le visiter... Pour les taxis, je pense que vous êtes mal tombés... Il se font beaucoup plus d'argent en restant à Aswan qu'en étant loués pour quelques heures, ils inventeraient donc n'importe quoi! J'ai pris un taxi pour aller faire un tour en dehors d'Aswan et il n'y a pas de barrages ou de contrôle dans les environs, et quand bien même il y en aurait les touristes sont libres de circuler tant qu'ils ont leur passeport avec eux.
En conclusion, pas de parano...on veut vous faire croire que le danger est partout parce que chacun y trouve son intérêt... Vous pouvez partir sans vous angoisser, l'Egypte est pays magnifique qu'il faut aborder le plus simplement possible!
Tu soulèves une question intéressante... Tu parles de sécurité parce que tu penses que ces zones sont difficilement accessibles aux touristes pour des raisons de sécurité.
Je n'ai pas vraiment de réponse à te donner, mais les seuls endroits où les touristes ont été touchés sont ceux où au contraire on les incite justement à aller. Le seul problème de sécurité que peuvent rencontrer les touristes sont d'éventuels attentats. On ne peut pas les prévoir, mais ils ont toujours eu lieu dans des endroits très touristiques. Tu ne risqueras donc rien en t'aventurant dans les zones dont les autorités égyptiennes limitent l'accès. Et ne crois pas les gens qui te diront que c'est parce que les populations sont hostiles aux étrangers!!! Il y a d'autres raisons derrière tout ca... Il existe toujours des possibilités de partir hors convoi avec des bus locaux. La présence d'étrangers dans ces bus n'est pas interdite mais limitée à 10 par bus. Je l'ai fait pour Abu Simbel et j'ai eu le site pour moi toute seule puisque les "touristes convois" étaient déjà repartis. C'était génial! Pour le temple d'Esna, je ne comprends pas pourquoi vous n'avez pas pu aller le visiter... Pour les taxis, je pense que vous êtes mal tombés... Il se font beaucoup plus d'argent en restant à Aswan qu'en étant loués pour quelques heures, ils inventeraient donc n'importe quoi! J'ai pris un taxi pour aller faire un tour en dehors d'Aswan et il n'y a pas de barrages ou de contrôle dans les environs, et quand bien même il y en aurait les touristes sont libres de circuler tant qu'ils ont leur passeport avec eux.
En conclusion, pas de parano...on veut vous faire croire que le danger est partout parce que chacun y trouve son intérêt... Vous pouvez partir sans vous angoisser, l'Egypte est pays magnifique qu'il faut aborder le plus simplement possible!
Ce que tu dis sur le lieu des attentats est pertinent, toujours des endroits touristiques et c'est vrai qu'on y est canalisé. Le temple d'Hatchepsout en est un exemple frappant.
Il est possible que j'ai joué de malchance...à répetition qd même, mais ça arrive 😕...
En ce qui concerne le Caire et les environs je l'ai fait en taxi sans pb, pour le sud de l'Egypte, on nous met une pression sécuritaire qui amène à se renseigner avant d'acheter un vol sec et de partir comme ça.
Il vaut mieux se sentir à l'aise qd on voyage! Je n'ai pas ce genre d'interrogations pour mon prochain départ au Laos et en Thailand dans quelques jours.Pour l'instant, sur tous mes voyages l'Egypte reste la sensation la plus forte, même après plusieurs séjours dans ce pays, devant l'empire Inca, pour l'Asie, on verra en rentrant...mais peut être qu'une ambiance plus sereine m'y attend. Laurence.
Laurence
Bonjour,
La pression "sécuritaire" dont vous parlez est portée par des gens qui s'intéressent à vos devises, pas à votre sécurité ; par ailleurs rien de plus dangereux qu'un convoi, déboulant à toute vitesse dans des villages, faisant la course...
Par contre si ce que vous cherchez est la sérénité, l'Egypte n'est pas le bon pays ; le pays est tumultueux. Mais pas dangereux, pas du tout.
Michel
La pression "sécuritaire" dont vous parlez est portée par des gens qui s'intéressent à vos devises, pas à votre sécurité ; par ailleurs rien de plus dangereux qu'un convoi, déboulant à toute vitesse dans des villages, faisant la course...
Par contre si ce que vous cherchez est la sérénité, l'Egypte n'est pas le bon pays ; le pays est tumultueux. Mais pas dangereux, pas du tout.
Michel
merci pour ton temoignage qui montre un autre aspect des choses auquel il convient de réfléchir.
Pour moi et cela n'engage que mon ressenti, sérenité en Egypte vient plus des lieux que des gens:Le lever du soleil au bord du Nil avec les couleurs tendres, les roseaux, le petite brume sur les berges, cette impression d'immuabilité depuis des milliers d'année...c'est un repos pour l'esprit.Et les millénaires qui se sont succédés, laissant toute cette civilisation a nos yeux, cela m'a profondémént touché.Idem le SinaÏ et en haut du mont Sinaï. Reste à découvrir les gens, que l'on ne rencontre pas quand est pris en charge par un TO.C'est bien connu, ce que l'on ne connait pas inquiète souvent, surtout quand tout est fait pour cela semble-t-il.
Laurence
Laurence
Bonjour,
"Pour moi et cela n'engage que mon ressenti, sérenité en Egypte vient plus des lieux que des gens:Le lever du soleil au bord du Nil avec les couleurs tendres, les roseaux, le petite brume sur les berges, cette impression d'immuabilité depuis des milliers d'année...c'est un repos pour l'esprit.Et les millénaires qui se sont succédés, laissant toute cette civilisation a nos yeux, cela m'a profondémént touché."
Vous pourriez bien être déçue.
Michel
"Pour moi et cela n'engage que mon ressenti, sérenité en Egypte vient plus des lieux que des gens:Le lever du soleil au bord du Nil avec les couleurs tendres, les roseaux, le petite brume sur les berges, cette impression d'immuabilité depuis des milliers d'année...c'est un repos pour l'esprit.Et les millénaires qui se sont succédés, laissant toute cette civilisation a nos yeux, cela m'a profondémént touché."
Vous pourriez bien être déçue.
Michel
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A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques




