Voyager en France pour un marocain
by Indica33510
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjours,
je suis de retour en france depuis deux jours, j ai effectué un periple au Maroc avec mon van T3 pendant un mois et demi. Avec mon ami, nous avons fais beaucoup de rencontres, l hospitalité marocaine n est pas une légende!!!
Nous avons rencontré un jeune marocain de notre âge (29ans) avec qui nous avons vécu de merveilleuses aventures. Nous avons été reçu dans sa famille a casa, ce sont vraiment des gens adorables. Ce jeune marocain essai de passer son diplôme de prof de surf pour en vivre, et il est actuellement en finale des championnats de body board du Maroc, ce qui peut lui ouvrir des portes en tant que sportif professionnel.
Avec mon ami, nous aimerions le faire venir chez nous pour des vacances, pour lui faire decouvrir la France et la côte réputée pour ses vagues...( Nous habitons nous même sur la côte).
Le problème est que les marocains n ont pas forcément tous la possibilité de se payer un tel voyage et le coût de la vie en france est trop élevée, nous l assumerions financièrement durant son sejour.... de plus, il paraît que l administration marocaine est assez compliquée pour faire venir un marocain en france...
quelqu un aurait il des info a ce sujet, c est a dire:
est il possible de payer un billet d avion pour ce jeune marocain, de le recevoir chez nous en se portant garants pour lui pour tout son sejour et promettre qu il reprendra bien son retour!!!!!
vers quel administration dois je me tourner?
ok, merci pour ton info.
je vais prendre contact avec l ambassade et je tiendrai au courant le forum
Oui, l'Ambassade / Consulat sauront vous conseiller. Mais ça ne posera pas soucis, il a le droit de venir en touriste ! Ceci étant dit, attention ! J'ai une amie qui s'est faite "avoir", après avoir eu un contact local (c'était là, la Tunisie) excellent, charmant, cultivé, attentionné... lors d'un voyage touristique. Elle a versé en western union la somme nécessaire pour le voyage Tunisie-Maroc à son charmant ami puis... une seconde somme, relative à des frais qui étaient disait t'il imprévus puis... jamais de nouvelle de son "ami", ni même de la famille de ce dernier. Evidemment c'est loin, très loin de s'appliquer à toutes les situations mais la prudence s'impose !
On dirait que certains vivent chez les bisounours 😉
Même sans avoir la tv je ne peux pas échapper, surtout en cette période d'élections, au climat xénophobe en France. L'Etat veut réduire un maximum le nombre d'étrangers, et pour cela notamment il ne donne que difficilement des visas de tourisme aux personnes qui viennent d'Afrique.
Concretement si votre ami ne justifie pas de revenus stables et d'une attache suffisante au Maroc, il sera soupconné de profiter des ces vacances pour rester en France.
Bien sur les critères d'attaches et des ressources suffisantes sont très vagues, et les consulats n'ont pas a justifier les (nombreux) refus de visa, même après avoir encaissé les frais de dossier non remboursables.
Quand on voit comment les marocains traitent leurs invités et quelle importance ils attachent à l'hospitalité, on peut se dire qu'on a beaucoup à apprendre.
Même sans avoir la tv je ne peux pas échapper, surtout en cette période d'élections, au climat xénophobe en France. L'Etat veut réduire un maximum le nombre d'étrangers, et pour cela notamment il ne donne que difficilement des visas de tourisme aux personnes qui viennent d'Afrique.
Concretement si votre ami ne justifie pas de revenus stables et d'une attache suffisante au Maroc, il sera soupconné de profiter des ces vacances pour rester en France.
Bien sur les critères d'attaches et des ressources suffisantes sont très vagues, et les consulats n'ont pas a justifier les (nombreux) refus de visa, même après avoir encaissé les frais de dossier non remboursables.
Quand on voit comment les marocains traitent leurs invités et quelle importance ils attachent à l'hospitalité, on peut se dire qu'on a beaucoup à apprendre.
Certes ils ont le sens de l'hospitalité, c'est indiscutable ! Mais les autorités font le différence entre un européen qui n'envisage pas de rester là bas, et les locaux qui profitent très souvent de leur séjour pour se mettre en situation irrégulière ici, c'est indiscutable aussi, et rien à voir avec l'hospitalité ...
ericetstella
Le problème est que les marocains n ont pas forcément tous la possibilité de se payer un tel voyage et le coût de la vie en france est trop élevée, nous l assumerions financièrement durant son sejour.... de plus, il paraît que l administration marocaine est assez compliquée pour faire venir un marocain en france...
Salut, L'administration marocaine n'a rien à voir dans tout çà🙂! Il lui faut un visa Schengen délivré par le consulat de France de sa circonscription au Maroc.
Cliquer sur ce lien:
http://www.consulfrance-ma.org/article.php3?id_article=304
Salut, L'administration marocaine n'a rien à voir dans tout çà🙂! Il lui faut un visa Schengen délivré par le consulat de France de sa circonscription au Maroc.
Cliquer sur ce lien:
http://www.consulfrance-ma.org/article.php3?id_article=304
Cordialement
Fayd
Malheureusement, tout ce que dit acab est vrai, il n'est pas impossible de faire venir un africain en france, mais c'est très très difficile et un vrai parcours du combattant ! Nous y sommes passés ... Et les frais engagés, ils les gardent sans avoir à se justifier du refus ... Il faut un dossier en béton armé ! Après 3 échecs, nous avons réussi, mais c'était cette fois pour un visa étudiant, et même là, c'était l'enfer ...
Bon courage, ne négligez rien et n'oubliez rien (aucun papier, aucun justificatif) il vaut mieux même en mettre plus !
Ce qu'ils veulent avant tout, c'est l'assurance qu'il rentrera, donc toutes ses attaches là bas sont à noter, et tous ses projets, pour prouver qu'il va bien rentrer ! Et même avec tout ça, n'y croyez pas tant que vous n'avez pas le visa !
Courage !
viou34
Lisez le lien de fayd qui est très clair, le reste n'est que bavardage 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Lisez le lien de fayd qui est très clair, le reste n'est que bavardage 😉
Bavardage ? Je dirais plutôt conseils avisés et vécus ! Moi aussi , j'étais allée voir le site de l'ambassade qui ne dit rien d'autre que ce qu'il faut faire pour demander un visa, rien d'autre ! Avec ça évidemment vous avez tous les papiers et démarches à faire, mais il me semble que indica 33510 demande comment s'y prendre et des conseils pour y parvenir ! Et je pense, comme d'autres qu'il est quand même important qu'elle sache à quoi s'en tenir ... et quel genre de pourcentage de réussite elle peut espérer ! Voilà encore des bavardages !!
Bavardage ? Je dirais plutôt conseils avisés et vécus ! Moi aussi , j'étais allée voir le site de l'ambassade qui ne dit rien d'autre que ce qu'il faut faire pour demander un visa, rien d'autre ! Avec ça évidemment vous avez tous les papiers et démarches à faire, mais il me semble que indica 33510 demande comment s'y prendre et des conseils pour y parvenir ! Et je pense, comme d'autres qu'il est quand même important qu'elle sache à quoi s'en tenir ... et quel genre de pourcentage de réussite elle peut espérer ! Voilà encore des bavardages !!
viou34
Je parle juste par expérience toi tu continues a bavarder et ca aide personne 😛 Juste pour un info un site qui te dit quoi faire c'est deja rare, il faut le noter, que ferais-tu sans ces indications? 😮
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Certes ils ont le sens de l'hospitalité, c'est indiscutable ! Mais les autorités font le différence entre un européen qui n'envisage pas de rester là bas, et les locaux qui profitent très souvent de leur séjour pour se mettre en situation irrégulière ici, c'est indiscutable aussi, et rien à voir avec l'hospitalité ...
C'est sur que ton message a haute valeur ajoutée administrative va en aider beaucoup 😉 Marine.... sort de ce corps 😛
C'est sur que ton message a haute valeur ajoutée administrative va en aider beaucoup 😉 Marine.... sort de ce corps 😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Je parle juste par expérience toi tu continues a bavarder et ca aide personne 😛 Juste pour un info un site qui te dit quoi faire c'est deja rare, il faut le noter, que ferais-tu sans ces indications? 😮
Tu parles par expérience ? Quelle expérience ? Si tu en avais, tu saurais que c'est loin de suffire, un site ! Mais ce que je comprends le moins, c'est cette agressivité que tu es en train de développer pour un sujet auquel tout le monde participe, le principe d'un forum je crois ? Tout le monde donne son avis sur un vécu et n'écrase pas les autres (quel intérêt ?). Quelle ouverture d'esprit pour un "voyageur" !!! Bonne soirée !
Tu parles par expérience ? Quelle expérience ? Si tu en avais, tu saurais que c'est loin de suffire, un site ! Mais ce que je comprends le moins, c'est cette agressivité que tu es en train de développer pour un sujet auquel tout le monde participe, le principe d'un forum je crois ? Tout le monde donne son avis sur un vécu et n'écrase pas les autres (quel intérêt ?). Quelle ouverture d'esprit pour un "voyageur" !!! Bonne soirée !
viou34
C'est juste que j'ai deja affronté l'administration francaise pour faire venir des étrangers en France (en toute légalité) et que je connais le parcours du combattant pour le faire. Connaitre la législation en vigueur est la 1ère étape et le genre de site qu'indique Fayd est très utile, voila tout ce que je voulais dire sans blabla ni considération futile comme on a pu lire précedemment. Après vous en faites ce que vous voulez mais venez pas pleurer que vous ne saviez pas 😠 L'ouverture d'esprit n'est toujours chez ceux qui affirme en avoir vu votre réponse 🙁
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Je n'ai pas la prétention d'apporter des "lumières" au débat , je sais de quoi je parle je suis mariée à un maghrébin depuis plus de 20 ans et mes enfants sont franco-maghrébins, alors tes "Marine" je ne les accepte pas .
ericetstella
OK, désolé ma plaisanterie était douteuse je l'accorde. Mea culpa 😕
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
merci beaucoup pour le lien...😉
c est fou quand même ce qu un sujet peut lancer comme débat mouvementé! je rassure tout le monde je garde en tête tout ce qui a été dit sur le forum, même les bavardages des uns et des autres qui malgré tout font part d expériences vécues. j étais consciente que ça ne serait pas facile étant donné la situation politique en France, et vous me l avais confirmé! maintenant je n ai qu une chose à dire c est inch allah!!! avec mon ami nous ferons tout notre possible...
en tout cas, merci a tous de votre aide, maintenant a moi de jouer!
et bon voyage a tous
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She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.