Buying a cheap converted truck in Brazil?
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LE
Hey everyone, currently in Brazil. We're on a world trip and we'd like to buy a truck to continue our journey. Ideally, we're looking for something equipped and not too expensive. The question is: where can we find a cheap, good second-hand small truck? Also, how complicated is the paperwork for the registration, etc.?

Thanks for your replies! Cheers
CH Chicobrasil Veteran ·
Good idea but hard to pull off—why? In Brazil, there are almost no RVs or camper vans... and the price of used vehicles is prohibitive, like 5000 € (12000 R$) for a 1995 car with 150,000 km!!! Yes, that’s a thing—check the ads on the Brazilian version of Le Bon Coin: www.bomnegocio.com.br

Then there’s the issue of registering the vehicle’s paperwork with Detran (the agency that handles registrations). As a non-resident, you can’t do it because you don’t have a permanent address (which determines the city name on the license plate) in Brazil, nor a residency permit. If you get a fine or are in an accident, you could face legal trouble... and you only have 15 days after purchase to register it. Otherwise, you’ll get fined if stopped, and repeat offenses could lead to the vehicle being impounded. Don’t even think about driving with the car still in the previous owner’s name—they won’t risk losing their license over fines you might rack up that would be sent to them.

And when it comes to selling the vehicle, you won’t be able to because the paperwork won’t be in order (still under the previous owner’s name). Buyers will refuse the transaction until the administrative, tax (IPVA), and legal (fines) status of the vehicle is "clean"...

In Brazil, everything is centralized—the license plate is for life, and only the city name changes if you sell it in a different city. Fines are numerous, recorded digitally, and payable either immediately or once a year. In Brazil, you renew the vehicle’s registration ("carte grise") every year and pay a tax (IPVA).
LE Lesyouchons ·
Thanks for your reply, but I know full well that this country can be complicated for some things, and for others, you just work it out... but my question is: where in Latin America can I buy a truck legally, with all the paperwork in order, or at least without running into trouble later with registration, logbook, etc.? Thanks for your answers
CH Chicobrasil Veteran ·
I don’t have answers to your questions about other South American countries.
TY Tyrmael Regular ·
ChicoBrasil is right! You can try to "work something out," but when it comes to a vehicle—especially one driven by a *gringo*—the arrangement will definitely not go in your favor! I recommend entering and leaving the country with your own vehicle; it’ll save you a lot of trouble.
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ZA Zaigrettes ·
Hi Chico,

You seem to know the ins and outs of Brazilian administrative procedures really well. It would be super helpful if you could take a few minutes to clarify some points we haven’t been able to find on our own online.

We want to sign a loan agreement for a camper van for 7 months between a French borrower (us) and a French lender who owns a camper van registered in France with a French registration certificate in their name. This camper van was imported into Argentina and will arrive in Brazil by road. We’ll have the lender’s registration certificate, our international driver’s permits, and a vehicle insurance contract in our name for the 7 months.

1. What type of Brazilian professional should we sign this contract with? A notary, lawyer, government office, etc.?

2. Will this loan agreement allow us to drive the vehicle legally in Brazil?

3. Will this loan agreement allow us to cross borders in South America?

4. Is it possible to insure a vehicle with foreign plates in Brazil?

5. Is it true that since May 2013, Brazilian customs no longer stamp a temporary import permit in passports for vehicles entering the country by road? (This would make the vehicle’s stay in the country more flexible.)

If the questions seem too complex, could you point us toward another contact? (We speak Brazilian Portuguese.)

Best regards,
zaigrettes
CH Chicobrasil Veteran ·
I’m answering your questions:

Maximum circulation period in Brazil = 90 days. At customs entry, you’ll be given a DSI document concerning the vehicle, which you’ll need to present when leaving the country. So, no stamp in your passport—just a document to show before 90 days are up. If you want to leave Brazil with the vehicle after 90 days, you’ll face a hefty fine for "circulating in Brazil without authorization." The same goes if you get stopped on the road—risk of seizure and immobilization for months or even years while waiting for a court decision!!!

To re-enter Brazil, the vehicle—especially if it has foreign plates—must be registered in the name of the driver or one of the people present at the border crossing!!! Yep, too easy otherwise: steal a vehicle, and boom, you cross the border with a document that’s worthless in the eyes of the Federal Police, even if it was notarized outside Brazil. Unless the vehicle is already in Brazil, in which case the owner handles bringing it in and out—but that’s not the case here since it’s in Argentina and you’d first have to clear customs. So, the physical owner must be present at both entry and exit. Plus, in Brazil, the vehicle owner is always held responsible for unpaid fines, and their vehicle can be seized. And I won’t even get into the consequences of a fatal accident (mandatory insurance contract).

Personally, the person who suggested this isn’t a professional rental company, even if the idea looked good on paper.

That’s also why, when you rent a car—especially in Brazil—you can’t take it to Argentina or neighboring countries. The car isn’t yours, even if you have a rental contract.

Up to you to decide... good idea in theory, but I wouldn’t risk it.
TO Topodidi Regular ·
Hi there,

Indeed, in Brazil, as Chico mentioned, there aren’t many motorhomes. In the northeast, north, and the Amazon, you could say there’s practically nothing at all. In the south of the country—Paraná, Santa Catarina, and Rio Grande do Sul—people are more into camping and motorhomes. This is likely due to a more European-influenced culture and, above all, better security. There are motorhome dealers; I know one in Florianópolis. Just search online using terms like: motorhome, trailer camping... http://www.olx.com.br/q/camping/c-416 http://veiculos.mercadolivre.com.br/motorhomes/ http://www.trailemar.com.br/ http://www.ciadomotorhome.com.br/listar.asp http://www.trailercar.com.br/ This was just to say there *is* a motorhome market in Brazil.

However, when it comes to administrative issues, yes, that’s where things get tricky—I won’t repeat what Chico already posted.

Argentina is another option, with even more of an adventurous camping spirit than Brazil. More used options available, but I have no idea about the administrative steps there. Examples: http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/Motorhome_DisplayType_G http://casa-rodante-usada.vivavisos.com.ar/camper-usado http://www.mhomemisangelitos.com.ar/

See ya!
JU Juliaplhs ·
Hi,

This message is from 2013, but just in case, we’re responding anyway.

We bought a fully converted Combi Van in Brazil without any issues, and we’re on a road trip across South America. We handled all the paperwork properly and will sell it the same way. We got all the necessary documents in about ten days.

We’re selling it at the end of August 2016 if anyone’s interested—just reply here, and we’ll send you all the details you want.

Price: 4500 €. It’s a 1995 model, in good condition, and runs great.

See you soon
TI Timfelix02 ·
hi Need a little advice... We bought a camper van in Colombia with a British Columbia plate, and we'd like to sell it in Brazil, in Recife. Can you shed some light on the steps we need to take? Or do you have someone's email? In your opinion, is it complicated or straightforward? Thanks
TO Topodidi Regular ·
Hi,

As a heads-up, importing "used cars" isn’t allowed in Brazil, except for "collector’s cars" that are over 30 years old. You can confirm this by checking Portaria nº 8, dated 05/13/1991, from the Departamento do Comércio Exterior (DECEX) of the Ministério da Fazenda, in Article 27.

Basically, importing a used vehicle to register it in Brazil is prohibited.

Good luck!
LA Lannions ·
Hi, I’m responding to your message from several years ago—we’ll see if you get this!

About registration in Brazil, it seems you were able to buy a camper van—a vehicle in Brazil—without any issues and even resell it later. That sounds straightforward, even though most bloggers say it’s impossible. Would you have any comments or advice for me?

I’d like to buy a camper van either in Brazil or Argentina, or somewhere else in South America, but I also want to be able to travel between countries without any hassle. I plan to do this over several trips, leaving the camper van in "storage" between each one. Do you know if that’s possible?

Thanks in advance for any info!
TO Topodidi Regular ·
Hi there,

Worth a read: https://suasproximasviagens.com.br/10-dicas-para-planejar-uma-viagem-de-carro-pela-america-do-sul/ The guy explains a bit about what you need for traveling in Latin America by car. Like the mandatory car insurance called Carta Verde for Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay. SOAPEX for Chile. Also, the fact that you should always have cash on hand in all these countries, since there are lots of tolls...

This article’s pretty good too: https://revistaautoesporte.globo.com/Servico/noticia/2017/11/como-viajar-de-carro-para-argentina-chile-paraguai-e-uruguai.html

See you around!
LA Lannions ·
Hello, Your message is three years old, but I’ll give it a shot—we’ll see! You mentioned buying a vehicle in Brazil without any issues, but how did you handle the registration address? Once the vehicle was in your name, were you able to leave Brazil with it to visit neighboring countries, and what did you do with it at the end of your stay? Thanks for your reply, best regards
LA Lannions ·
Hello, Your message is three years old, but I’ll give it a try—we’ll see! You mentioned buying a vehicle in Brazil without any issues, but how did you handle the registration address? Once the vehicle was in your name, were you able to leave Brazil with it to visit neighboring countries, and how did you manage at the end of your stay with the vehicle? Thanks for your reply, best regards
LA Lannions ·
Hi there, you seem to know quite a bit about traveling in South America... Do you know if it's possible to travel between all these different countries without too much trouble with a vehicle registered in Chile? Or in Mexico?

What do you think is the ideal/maximum length for a vehicle, considering we'll be using it for several months a year, in chunks of about two months? Is a 4x4 recommended, essential, or not really necessary? Is it better to go for an older, well-maintained engine, 30 years or more but with low mileage and little electronics, or a more recent one? Electronics scare me, I must say—I love old cars, and it's true we generally have fewer problems with them. Are American 6/8-cylinder engines easily repaired in Latin America? Sorry for all the questions—it's my first experience of this kind. Thanks in advance for any answers! Best regards
IV IvanBahiaG Regular ·
I'm curious to read about your experiences traveling in a 'converted camper van' here in Brazil. Here in Bahia, we occasionally come across travelers in RVs or converted 4x4s. The most recent were a Dutch couple in a Land Rover in Lençóis and a French family with a Cherokee and a converted trailer. Such a bold and surprising adventure! My 4x4 (Mitsubishi Pajero) is flexibly converted (meaning removable), which lets me take different self-sufficient trips into the high mountains of Chapada Diamantina National Park. What about your experiences? Any feedback? Tropical greetings from Salvador, @IvanBahiaGuide

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