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Egypte: route Siwa-Bawiti
by Ebubu
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Je vais en Egypte (1re fois) en avril prochain. Je comptais passer par Siwa puis redescendre sur Bawiti. La route est-elle terminée ? Quels sont les tarifs "raisonnables" actuels pour faire la traversée du désert sur cette route ?
Merci pour vos infos.
Merci pour vos infos.
😎 salut
La route est-elle terminée ? Quels sont les tarifs "raisonnables" actuels pour faire la traversée du désert sur cette route ?
elle "devrait "(?) être terminée 😛😛 pour 2006 cette route jusqu'à Bahareyya "INCH'ALLAH, ma'alèche (cela ne fait rien) si elle ne sera terminée que lorsque Dieu le voudra bien 😇
tarifs raisonnables ... c'est toi qui ne l'est pas 😛😉😛 tout dépend de tes pouvoirs de négociateur 😎 je rigole, mais toi 😉 tu vas moins rigoler 😕 car ce sera entre 1000 et 1200£E la promenade de 400km, avec une nuit à la belle étoile une des pistes les plus pourries que j'ai eu a connaître en Égypte 🏴☠️ et avec des sables mouvants ces prix sont à titre indicatif, car je ne loue pas, j'ai mon 4x4 😛 j'espère que tu continueras plus au Sud de Bahareyya, il y a plein d'autres oasis fabuleux 😉 et surtout le "white desert" à ne pas louper 😉
La route est-elle terminée ? Quels sont les tarifs "raisonnables" actuels pour faire la traversée du désert sur cette route ?
elle "devrait "(?) être terminée 😛😛 pour 2006 cette route jusqu'à Bahareyya "INCH'ALLAH, ma'alèche (cela ne fait rien) si elle ne sera terminée que lorsque Dieu le voudra bien 😇
tarifs raisonnables ... c'est toi qui ne l'est pas 😛😉😛 tout dépend de tes pouvoirs de négociateur 😎 je rigole, mais toi 😉 tu vas moins rigoler 😕 car ce sera entre 1000 et 1200£E la promenade de 400km, avec une nuit à la belle étoile une des pistes les plus pourries que j'ai eu a connaître en Égypte 🏴☠️ et avec des sables mouvants ces prix sont à titre indicatif, car je ne loue pas, j'ai mon 4x4 😛 j'espère que tu continueras plus au Sud de Bahareyya, il y a plein d'autres oasis fabuleux 😉 et surtout le "white desert" à ne pas louper 😉
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Dom
Dom
bonjour,
je reviens juste de Siwa, après avoir fait un périple Bakharya, Ein Dalla, à travers la GSS (great sand sea) jusqu'à Siwa et retour sur bakharya moitié par la "piste" et moitié par la GSS.
la "piste" est toujours en "restauration" avec quelques km bien goudronnés...
il parait que l'entrepreneur qui devait refaire cette piste s'est cassé avec le fric... on est donc pas prêts de la voir terminée...
Pour faire cette traversée il faut éviter les promesses des agences du caire, qui ne connaisent en fait pas grand chose à cette région. Il vaut mieux aller à bakharya et prendre des chauffeurs locaux et faire l'aller et retour par Bakhaya, mais seulement si tu peux faire l'aller ou le retour par la GSS. se taper deux fois la piste c'est plutôt bof.
quant au prix de cette traversée... m'est avis qu'il faut compter au moins 150 dollars/jour pour un 4x4. mais si tu passes par la GSS, pour laquelle il est indispensable d'avoir un "Tasrih" (permission de l'armée, donc contact local qui peut te l'obtenir), tu dois avoir au moins deux véhicules. Il n'est pas raisonnable du tout de traverser la GSS avec 1 seul 4x4 !
bonne route
Merci pour toutes ces infos précieuses.
Et tu n'as pas rencontré le Prince Charles et sa charmante épouse ? Ils étaient parait-il à Siwa, il y a une quinzaine de jours (vu à la télé).
Bon, moi je pensais plutot arriver à Siwa par le Nord, et traverser jusqu'a Baharia par la piste ou GSS selon cout et possibilités. Je suppose qu'a Siwa, je trouverai sans prob un 4 X 4 pour m'emmener. Mais par la piste, les peix sont toujours d'environ 150 $/jour ? Ca vaut le coup si on est plusieurs, mais tout seul c'est un peu cher...
Merci pour toutes ces infos précieuses.
Et tu n'as pas rencontré le Prince Charles et sa charmante épouse ? Ils étaient parait-il à Siwa, il y a une quinzaine de jours (vu à la télé).
Bon, moi je pensais plutot arriver à Siwa par le Nord, et traverser jusqu'a Baharia par la piste ou GSS selon cout et possibilités. Je suppose qu'a Siwa, je trouverai sans prob un 4 X 4 pour m'emmener. Mais par la piste, les peix sont toujours d'environ 150 $/jour ? Ca vaut le coup si on est plusieurs, mais tout seul c'est un peu cher...
pour arriver par le nord il doit y avoir des transports en communs. le problème va être pour rejoindre bakharya après... tu trouveras à Siwa des 4x4 avec chauffeurs qui seront ravis de t'emmener. mais comme je le disais, ca sera soit par la piste avec 1 seul véhicule avec un intérêt limité pour le fric que ca va te coûter, soit avec 2 4x4 par la GSS. il est aussi possible qu'une fois à Siwa tu trouves des locaux qui vont à Bakharya et qui accepteront de t'emmener (par la piste). et j'ai pas vu (ouf !) charles & Cie, qui ont probablement logé à l'ecolodge de Jaffri que j'ai visité... grand luxe écolo et sécurité dignes des hommes d'état, stars de cinéma et Cie... mais jai trouvé l'ambiance un peu sinistre... ca mériterait un peu plus de vie...
pour arriver par le nord il doit y avoir des transports en communs. le problème va être pour rejoindre bakharya après... tu trouveras à Siwa des 4x4 avec chauffeurs qui seront ravis de t'emmener. mais comme je le disais, ca sera soit par la piste avec 1 seul véhicule avec un intérêt limité pour le fric que ca va te coûter, soit avec 2 4x4 par la GSS. il est aussi possible qu'une fois à Siwa tu trouves des locaux qui vont à Bakharya et qui accepteront de t'emmener (par la piste). et j'ai pas vu (ouf !) charles & Cie, qui ont probablement logé à l'ecolodge de Jaffri que j'ai visité... grand luxe écolo et sécurité dignes des hommes d'état, stars de cinéma et Cie... mais jai trouvé l'ambiance un peu sinistre... ca mériterait un peu plus de vie...
je suis arrivée à Siwa 2 jours après l'éclipse et y'avait beaucoup de monde là bas.
pas vraiment d'ambiance ou d'architecture très typique (comme à ghadamès en libye par exemple, avec laquelle je ne peux pas m'empêcher de faire la comparaison, ou même Qasr Dakhla). Du moins, le site n'est pas mis en valeur et a été très peu restauré. il en résulte une ambiance assez semblable aux autres oasis avec comme différence le fait qu'il s'agit d'une oasis assez concentrée et pas complètemetn étalée en différents pôles comme les autres oasis du désert libyque.
je n'ai pas eu le temps de me faire une opinion sur les Issiwanes; en fait, vu le peuple qu'il y avait là bas, ils en avaient un peu soupé des touristes à mon avis.
et je suis pas restée assez longtemps pour me faire une idée plus précise.
mais une chose est sûre... quant tu arrives de la GSS, tu es content de voir l'oasis.... et de retourner illico vers les dunes et le silence ;-)
la présence des lacs est étonnante. On s'y baigne pas trop, pour ca il y a des bassins d'eaux chaudes ou fraiches aux alentours de Siwa.
je veux pas dire que j'ai été déçue de Siwa, mais je m'attendais à quelque chose d'un petit peu plus typé; mais le fait d'y avoir été à cette époque de l'éclipse a probablement un peu faussé la donne !
Après plusieurs séjours dans les déserts et oasis égyptiens, nous préparons le futur: 12 jours sur le trajet suivant Le Caire-Alexandrie-Marsa Matrouh-Siwa-Bahareyya-Farafra-Kharga-Dakhla-Louxor.
Malchanceuse BILQIS car, nous non plus n'avons jamais vu autant de monde à Siwa, même les guides n'avaient plus de place pour garer leur véhicule!!
Nous partons encore une fois avec un guide de Siwa que nous connaissons bien maintenant, nous l'avons élu pour son sérieux, son professionnalisme, et sa gentillesse pour nous faire découvrir une Egypte authentique loin du tourisme de masse et avec un excellent rapport qualité-prix.
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Voici qqs réponses à la discussion en cours:
- le trajet Siwa-Bahareyya direct s'effectue en 4X4, c'est indispensable sur la piste en mauvaise état (les chauffeurs préfèrent carrément le bas côté sablonneux). La route goudronnée en est sa tiers depuis 3 ans et il n'y a plus de crédit... En 2009, le trajet coûtait 1600 LE (env 230 euros) à diviser par le nb de passagers. Il faut rajouter le prix de la permission goubernementale obligatoire et le déjeuner: env 8 euros par personne. Env 6 heures de trajet (+ petites haltes prévues). Il est possible de visiter de beaux sites sur le trajet: El Arg, Bahrein, Sitra, Nweimisa en 1 ou 2 jours. Prix différent car cela équivaut à un safari
- la piste qui relie directement Siwa à Dakhla passe par Aïn Dallah. Nous l'avons effectuée 3 fois, les paysages sont merveilleux! La meilleure fois a été de le faire en 3 jours + 3 nuits. Il faut des guides très expérimentés, à qui le gouvernement et la police imposent GPS et téléphone satellite et une très bonne logistique (le triple de la nourriture et de l'eau habituelle, 5 jerricans par voiture! minimum de 2 véhicules)
A bientôt Gwenm
Voici qqs réponses à la discussion en cours:
- le trajet Siwa-Bahareyya direct s'effectue en 4X4, c'est indispensable sur la piste en mauvaise état (les chauffeurs préfèrent carrément le bas côté sablonneux). La route goudronnée en est sa tiers depuis 3 ans et il n'y a plus de crédit... En 2009, le trajet coûtait 1600 LE (env 230 euros) à diviser par le nb de passagers. Il faut rajouter le prix de la permission goubernementale obligatoire et le déjeuner: env 8 euros par personne. Env 6 heures de trajet (+ petites haltes prévues). Il est possible de visiter de beaux sites sur le trajet: El Arg, Bahrein, Sitra, Nweimisa en 1 ou 2 jours. Prix différent car cela équivaut à un safari
- la piste qui relie directement Siwa à Dakhla passe par Aïn Dallah. Nous l'avons effectuée 3 fois, les paysages sont merveilleux! La meilleure fois a été de le faire en 3 jours + 3 nuits. Il faut des guides très expérimentés, à qui le gouvernement et la police imposent GPS et téléphone satellite et une très bonne logistique (le triple de la nourriture et de l'eau habituelle, 5 jerricans par voiture! minimum de 2 véhicules)
A bientôt Gwenm
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Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!




