Visite du Caire et Louxor au départ d'Hurghada?
by Sudouest64
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous,
Nous avons opté pour un séjour tt inclus sur hurghada la semaine du 09 au 16 mai 2011.
Nous souhaitons nous rendre sur le Caire et Louxor dans la semaine afin de visiter le musée égyptien, les pyramides, la vallée des rois..
On souhaite éviter de passer par l'hotel et le tour opérator.
J'ai trouvé des compagnies de transport assurant ces trajets, mais arrivés ds ces villes, comment nous rendre sur les lieux de visite? un guide est il nécessaire?
Quels sont les pièges à éviter?
Quels sont les tarifs d'entrée sur les sites?
Comptant sur votre aide
Merci d'aider 4 touristes novices😛
Bonjour ,
vous n'avez pas choisi la facilité en vous posant à Hurghada ...
Pour Luxor ( je suppose que vous n'aurez qu'1 j) , prenez un taxi à la journée : bon marché , environ 180 Leg , pour ne pas perdre de temps . 1/2 j Rive Ouest : vallées des Rois , des Nobles . Rois : 80 leg pour 3 tombes . Nobles : 30 pour 2 . 1/2 rive Est : Karnak, 65 Leg , je crois . A voir si possible : le temple et le musée , ouverts tard dans la journée .
Pour le Caire , 1j : allez en priorité 1/2 j à Gizeh , 1/2 j au Musée . Pas besoin de guide , mais emportez un guide papier , Routard ou autre et lisez le avant .
C'est un début ! Bonne journée .
Pour Luxor ( je suppose que vous n'aurez qu'1 j) , prenez un taxi à la journée : bon marché , environ 180 Leg , pour ne pas perdre de temps . 1/2 j Rive Ouest : vallées des Rois , des Nobles . Rois : 80 leg pour 3 tombes . Nobles : 30 pour 2 . 1/2 rive Est : Karnak, 65 Leg , je crois . A voir si possible : le temple et le musée , ouverts tard dans la journée .
Pour le Caire , 1j : allez en priorité 1/2 j à Gizeh , 1/2 j au Musée . Pas besoin de guide , mais emportez un guide papier , Routard ou autre et lisez le avant .
C'est un début ! Bonne journée .
Brigitte
Bonjour,
Si vous avez acheté votre séjour avec un TO, malheureusement vous ne pourrez pas prendre un taxi à Hurghada pour aller à Louxor ou au Caire, on ne vous laissera pas passer aux check points!
Les TO se réservent leurs clients... et vous devez leur demander l'autorisation de vous passer de leur service, ce qu'ils refuseront bien sur!
Si vous arriviez à éviter votre TO et à choisir une excursion extérieure, sachez que la route entre Hurghada et Louxor est ouverte aux touristes entre 6h du matin et 6h du soir. On peut donc partir d'Hurghada vers 6h du matin et quitter Louxor avant 6h du soir, donc soirée et nocturne impossible.
Quand au tarif de la voiture avec chauffeur, pour Louxor on est autour de 70€ AR, pour le Caire 120€.
Reste des solutions détournées...
Bonjour ,
pourquoi diable ne les laisseraient-ils pas passer aux checkpoints ?
Je vous dis ce que nous faisons ( vol+hôtel secs réservés par un T O ) :
Déjà , il n' y a aucune raison de donner au représentant du T O ni passeport , ni CI ni Visa ; vous faites qq photocopoies avant de partir , au cas où . Ensuite , la veille , vous négociez le prix de l'excursion avec un taxi , en lui donnant une photocopie de vos documents ; il ira demander à la police les autorisations( je vais emmener 3 Français demain à Luxor , par ex .) , qu'il montrera à chaque checkpoint le lendemain. C'est vrai que les transports doivent se faire entre 6 h et 18 h ( T O ou pas !) .
Quelle drôle d'idée de suggérer aux gens de demander l'autorisation aux T O de se déplacer : on est adultes , non ?
Très bonne journée !
Je vous dis ce que nous faisons ( vol+hôtel secs réservés par un T O ) :
Déjà , il n' y a aucune raison de donner au représentant du T O ni passeport , ni CI ni Visa ; vous faites qq photocopoies avant de partir , au cas où . Ensuite , la veille , vous négociez le prix de l'excursion avec un taxi , en lui donnant une photocopie de vos documents ; il ira demander à la police les autorisations( je vais emmener 3 Français demain à Luxor , par ex .) , qu'il montrera à chaque checkpoint le lendemain. C'est vrai que les transports doivent se faire entre 6 h et 18 h ( T O ou pas !) .
Quelle drôle d'idée de suggérer aux gens de demander l'autorisation aux T O de se déplacer : on est adultes , non ?
Très bonne journée !
Brigitte
"Selon la loi en Egypte, si vous avez réservé votre hôtel à Hurghada par une autre agence de voyages, alors c'est interdit qu'une autre agence vous organise votre excursion d'Hurgahda à Louxor en véhicule."
Le bureau de l'association des agents de voyage située vers le Calypso distribue (ou non) les permis dans le but de ce contrôle.
Un taxi normal ne peut en aucun cas effectuer ce trajet.
Les égyptiens peuvent utiliser la route de nuit...
Le bureau de l'association des agents de voyage située vers le Calypso distribue (ou non) les permis dans le but de ce contrôle.
Un taxi normal ne peut en aucun cas effectuer ce trajet.
Les égyptiens peuvent utiliser la route de nuit...
Bonjour ,
Dites - moi : c'est une loi valable seulement pour ce qui touche la ville d'Hurghada ?
J'ai utilisé la'méthode' dont je vous parlais de nombreuses fois mais toujours entre Luxor et Assouan , ou vers Abu Simbel ( taxi dans le convoi) ou le Luxor vers Abydos ... Jamais de problème aux checkpoints ! C'était en infraction , selon vous ?
Bonne fin de dimanche !
J'ai utilisé la'méthode' dont je vous parlais de nombreuses fois mais toujours entre Luxor et Assouan , ou vers Abu Simbel ( taxi dans le convoi) ou le Luxor vers Abydos ... Jamais de problème aux checkpoints ! C'était en infraction , selon vous ?
Bonne fin de dimanche !
Brigitte
Je confirme, c'est une loi seulement pour Hurghada! ce n'est pas pareil pour les autres trajets que vous mentionnez, effectivement. Et c'est encore différent dan le sens Louxor-Hurghada où c'est un peu plus souple! J'en sais quelque chose, j'habite Hurghada et j'ai pas mal circulé. C'est pour protéger le marché des excursions des nombreux hotels ici.
Ouf , on était donc dans la légalité ! ! !
Ceci dit , je crois que bcp de gens partent d'Hurghada s'en se préoccuper de quoi que ce soit ... Bonne soirée !
Ceci dit , je crois que bcp de gens partent d'Hurghada s'en se préoccuper de quoi que ce soit ... Bonne soirée !
Brigitte
merci pour ces infos!!!
concrètement on a plus qu'à faire les excursions proposées par le TO car je suppose que cette loi est valable également
pour les trajets en bus ou en avion ???
Bonsoir ,
Personnellement , je regarderais quand même attentivement les prix ...
A vous de voir !
Bon voyage .
Bon voyage .
Brigitte
Non, seulement les trajets en voiture, voir le texte de loi + haut!
Bonjour,
de quels check-points parlez-vous ?
j'ai réservé une semaine à Hurghada en août et je pourrais être intéressée par une excursion à Louxor.
de quels check-points parlez-vous ?
j'ai réservé une semaine à Hurghada en août et je pourrais être intéressée par une excursion à Louxor.
Faby
Ensuite , la veille , vous négociez le prix de l'excursion avec un taxi , en lui donnant une photocopie de vos documents ; il ira demander à la police les autorisations( je vais emmener 3 Français demain à Luxor , par ex .) , qu'il montrera à chaque checkpoint le lendemain.
Bonjour,
nous avons réservé un 1er séjour en Egypte pour cet été et nous risquons bien d'être aussi intéressés par une excursions à Louxor.
Les chauffeurs de taxi doivent demander une autorisation ?
Donc si je comprends bien, vous conseillez de partir avec qq copies de nos documents... (bien évidemment je ne donnerai jamais à personne mon passeport 😉 je ne le laisse même pas à la réception des hotels...)
Bonjour,
nous avons réservé un 1er séjour en Egypte pour cet été et nous risquons bien d'être aussi intéressés par une excursions à Louxor.
Les chauffeurs de taxi doivent demander une autorisation ?
Donc si je comprends bien, vous conseillez de partir avec qq copies de nos documents... (bien évidemment je ne donnerai jamais à personne mon passeport 😉 je ne le laisse même pas à la réception des hotels...)
Faby
Bonjour,
Je parle des check points de Safaga et Louxor, où il faut une autorisation demandée la veille pour pouvoir passer.. voir + haut... Formalités poarticulières pour la route Hurghada Louxor et Hurghada Le Caire
Voilà :
comme le dit l'autre personne , situation particulière pour Hurghada .
Je n'en sais pas plus car je n'y suis jamais allée .
Par contre , départ Luxor , ..., les chauffeurs de taxi qui désirent sortir hors de la 'banlieue' , par ex . aller à Assouan , à Edfou, à Denderah , ... doivent demander à la police l'autorisation d'emmener des étrangers . On a tjs eu ces autorisations , automatiquement, en demandant la veille à n'importe quel chauffeur .
Bonne journée !
Par contre , départ Luxor , ..., les chauffeurs de taxi qui désirent sortir hors de la 'banlieue' , par ex . aller à Assouan , à Edfou, à Denderah , ... doivent demander à la police l'autorisation d'emmener des étrangers . On a tjs eu ces autorisations , automatiquement, en demandant la veille à n'importe quel chauffeur .
Bonne journée !
Brigitte
... et pour les documents , oui : je pensais aux personnes qui font des croisières . Il semble que certains accompagnateurs gardent les passeports , ...pour que les touristes ne partent pas faire d'excusions seuls (Abu Simbel , par ex .).
Je n'ai pas expérimenté cette situation !
Je n'ai pas expérimenté cette situation !
Brigitte
Merci pour ces infos 🙂
Faut que je commence un peu à bouquiner maintenant...
Faby
Oui bien sûr, c'est mieux de pouvoir passer plusieurs jours à Louxor et plusieurs jours au Caire.. Mais beaucoup de touristes viennent en Egypte pour une seule semaine et les vols sur Hurghada sont particulièrement accessibles actuellement... Alors pour ceux qu'une mini escapade tente, il est possible de faire un circuit express en 2 jours, soit 1 jour à Louxor et 1 jour au Caire, en utilisant les transports (train et bus) de nuit. C'est sûr, c'est "express" mais il y a une réelle attente de ce genre de circuit.
Je comprends votre réaction, je vis en Egypte et je vais souvent à Louxor et au Caire et j'y passe plusieurs jours à chaque fois avec toujours de nouvelles découvertes et je souhaite que chacun puisse aussi y consacrer plus de temps... Mais je comprends aussi les touristes qui ont l'opportunité d'un petit voyage en Egyptre et qui veulent en voir l'essentiel... Ils reviendront dans quelques années en profiter plus longtemps!
bonjour,
je pense que vous vouliez répondre à sudouest64, c'est lui/elle qui a initié le post.
mon idée à moi par contre c'était d'insérer dans ma semaine de farniente juste une journée culturelle.
vous dites qu'une excursion d'une journée à Luxor ne vaut pas la peine ? Je suis consciente que je ne verrai pas tout, mais c'était pour voir quand même un peu d'histoire pendant mon séjour en Egypte, et pas seulement les petits poissons et mes doigts de pieds en éventail 😉
je pense que vous vouliez répondre à sudouest64, c'est lui/elle qui a initié le post.
mon idée à moi par contre c'était d'insérer dans ma semaine de farniente juste une journée culturelle.
vous dites qu'une excursion d'une journée à Luxor ne vaut pas la peine ? Je suis consciente que je ne verrai pas tout, mais c'était pour voir quand même un peu d'histoire pendant mon séjour en Egypte, et pas seulement les petits poissons et mes doigts de pieds en éventail 😉
Faby
mon idée c'était d'insérer dans ma semaine juste une journée culturelle.
vous dites qu'une excursion d'une journée à Luxor ne vaut pas la peine ?
mais c'était pour voir un peu d'histoire pendant mon séjour en Egypte
je pense personnellement que ce sera du gachis d'argent pour pas grand chose. Louxor mérite au minimum 4 jours pour voir l'essentiel. si c'est pour faire un temps de transport considérable , visiter à la course le temple de Louxor et, sans s'arreter filer immédiatement voir le temple de karnac pour vite vite rentrer avant l'heure limite, croyez moi, une visite dans un musée europé au département antiquités egyptiennes vous montrera autant d'histoire, sans difficultés.
Vous voulez vous reposer, allez au bout de votre envie et revenez à Louxor une autre fois, avec un billet pas cher ça existe, et là vous ferez le plein de culture dans de bonnes conditions. Ce qui ne vous empechera pas de profiter éventuellement d'une piscine pour vous remettre du choc de tant de belles choses.
je pense personnellement que ce sera du gachis d'argent pour pas grand chose. Louxor mérite au minimum 4 jours pour voir l'essentiel. si c'est pour faire un temps de transport considérable , visiter à la course le temple de Louxor et, sans s'arreter filer immédiatement voir le temple de karnac pour vite vite rentrer avant l'heure limite, croyez moi, une visite dans un musée europé au département antiquités egyptiennes vous montrera autant d'histoire, sans difficultés.
Vous voulez vous reposer, allez au bout de votre envie et revenez à Louxor une autre fois, avec un billet pas cher ça existe, et là vous ferez le plein de culture dans de bonnes conditions. Ce qui ne vous empechera pas de profiter éventuellement d'une piscine pour vous remettre du choc de tant de belles choses.
si vs allez de hurghada ou safaga a louxor(et retour)en bus, il ny a pas d'autorisation a demander et les convois n'existent plus depuis quelques anénes dejà....
sites de bus
http://www.bus.com.eg/EBus/OnlineServicesEn/Home/Index.aspx
http://www.freedaysegypt.com/superjet.php
http://www.ask-aladdin.com/bus_schedules.htm
mag
http://sudam.canalblog.com (nos voyages en amerique du sud)
http://egyptenliberte.canalblog.com
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!




