Pour ceux qui ont déjà réservé depuis le Net avant de partir : est-ce débité dès l'achat ou le jour J ? Y a t-il des possibilités d'annulation ? (en cas de problème sur la route par exemple)
Réservation du survol des parcs de l'Ouest américain?
by ACVigneresse
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Nous aimerions faire un survol d'un parc.
Plusieurs questions se posent alors : est-ce le Grand canyon le plus spectaculaire? que pensez-vous de Bryce ou Arches ? faut-il réserver dès maintenant pour août ? ou bien sur place ? la veille, est-ce encore jouable (nous serons à Page la veille) ? survol du GC seulement ? ou grande boucle : GC + page et lac powell (beaucoup + cher) ?
Pour ceux qui ont déjà réservé depuis le Net avant de partir : est-ce débité dès l'achat ou le jour J ? Y a t-il des possibilités d'annulation ? (en cas de problème sur la route par exemple)
Pour ceux qui ont déjà réservé depuis le Net avant de partir : est-ce débité dès l'achat ou le jour J ? Y a t-il des possibilités d'annulation ? (en cas de problème sur la route par exemple)
ACV
j'ai découvert le GC il y a plus de 25 ans lorsque je vivais au Nouveau Mexique et travaillais alors souvent en Arizona mais ma dernière visite remonte à septembre 2007. Pour moi le GC reste unique tant par les paysages qu'il offre que par l'histoire, les mythes et la culture qu'il permet d'appréhender.
Un survol aérien du GC.? certainement, à partir du 'south rim' et si possible un peu tôt le matin ou un peu tard l'après midi ( à cause de l'éclairage) mais inutile, à mon avis de prévoir un grand tour aérien.
Incidemment si vous avez été tenté par le nouveau Sywalk... forget it.
Comme écrit dans un message antérieur, essayez de passer une nuit sur le "south rim" plus facile d'accès. Les deux lodges historiques sont The Bright Angel et El Tovar directement en bordure du GC. L'an dernier j'ai réservé dès le début mars pour fin aout ( ils prennent les réservations jusqu'à un an à l'avance). La carte de crédit est débité pour la première nuit (mais pas pour la seconde si l'on reste deux nuits bien sûr). En cas d'annullation assez tôt on peut se faire rembourser. Ces lodges sont encore gérées par XANTERRA pour le National Park Service
Comme écrit dans un message antérieur, essayez de passer une nuit sur le "south rim" plus facile d'accès. Les deux lodges historiques sont The Bright Angel et El Tovar directement en bordure du GC. L'an dernier j'ai réservé dès le début mars pour fin aout ( ils prennent les réservations jusqu'à un an à l'avance). La carte de crédit est débité pour la première nuit (mais pas pour la seconde si l'on reste deux nuits bien sûr). En cas d'annullation assez tôt on peut se faire rembourser. Ces lodges sont encore gérées par XANTERRA pour le National Park Service
Suite des "Rencontres insolites avec des grizzlys, chercheurs d'or et autres dans l'Ouest Américain" (26 février 2009)
oups! le crois que j'ai lu trop vite la question sur la réservation
s'il s'agit de réserver un vol et non pas une chambre cela peut certainement se faire juste avant de partir par e-mail directement avec la compagnie choisie. Mais je n'ai pas d'expérience des années récentes la dessus
s'il s'agit de réserver un vol et non pas une chambre cela peut certainement se faire juste avant de partir par e-mail directement avec la compagnie choisie. Mais je n'ai pas d'expérience des années récentes la dessus
Suite des "Rencontres insolites avec des grizzlys, chercheurs d'or et autres dans l'Ouest Américain" (26 février 2009)
Il faut réserver la veille, cela suffit.
en particulier pour s'assurer que le temps se prête au voyage. Tu trouveras dans les hotels des bons de réduction pour les vols. Il faut téléphoner ensuite ou faire téléphoner le/la réceptionniste moyennant un tip si tu n'es pas sûre de toi en anglais.
Concernant le survol, je n'ai fait que le GC. Aujourd'hui j'opterai pour canyonlands. Fais une recherche sur le site ou internet.
A propos du Skywalk (la passerelle en verre au dessus du GC), quelles sont vos réactions, vos expériences ?
J'avoue que rien qu'en y pensant j'en ai le vertige....... Mais c'est tentant !!!
Pour ceux qui l'ont fait, est-ce aussi "exciting" que le survol ?
ACV
salut AC!
Difficile de répondre: pour moi, ce truc est un véritable attrape- cou**lons !
Ca coûte le lard du chat (aux alentours de 50$ si je me souviens bien...) et ca ne les vaut pas!
De plus, l'ouverture de cet espèce d'attraction disneylandesque divise la tribu Hualapais elle-même: pour te faire une opinion, je te laisse le lien du "Los Angeles Times" du 11 février 2007 qui explique assez bien les problèmes qui risquent d'être générés par ce truc. Sinon, en français sur Wikipedia d'autres éléments de réflexion...
D'autres personnes ici (mais elles sont peu nombreuses) te diront l'exact contraire: qu'il faut absolument le faire, que c'est un " must"....
Finalement à toi de faire ton choix. Moi, j'irais pas. That's all Folks!
D'autres personnes ici (mais elles sont peu nombreuses) te diront l'exact contraire: qu'il faut absolument le faire, que c'est un " must"....
Finalement à toi de faire ton choix. Moi, j'irais pas. That's all Folks!
Revenue de tout, mais sans cesse en partance!
sur les sites 'skywalk' deux sont particulièrement documentés: 'trip advisor' et 'hicks wright'
l'an dernier (ouverture du Sywalk) j'ai longuement étudié la question avant de retourner au GC, j'en ai aussi parlé avec des amis qui vivent dans l'ouest. Résultat: je suis passé tout droit sur l'ancienne route 66 sans faire le détour. A mon avis et selon mes contacts régionaux, la vraie question est que le Skywalk n'apporte rien de plus que l'observation depuis l'un des nombreux points hors de la réservation et à accès libreoû l'on peut flanner et s'asseoir. Le canyon est même moins profond à Skywalk, avec moins de plans de vue, qu'il ne l'est à south rim. C'est un couteux gadget même si c'est une prouesse technique. Mais faire tout ce détour pour passer 2 à 3 minutes dans un flot de visiteurs (en période de vacances)!!!!
l'an dernier (ouverture du Sywalk) j'ai longuement étudié la question avant de retourner au GC, j'en ai aussi parlé avec des amis qui vivent dans l'ouest. Résultat: je suis passé tout droit sur l'ancienne route 66 sans faire le détour. A mon avis et selon mes contacts régionaux, la vraie question est que le Skywalk n'apporte rien de plus que l'observation depuis l'un des nombreux points hors de la réservation et à accès libreoû l'on peut flanner et s'asseoir. Le canyon est même moins profond à Skywalk, avec moins de plans de vue, qu'il ne l'est à south rim. C'est un couteux gadget même si c'est une prouesse technique. Mais faire tout ce détour pour passer 2 à 3 minutes dans un flot de visiteurs (en période de vacances)!!!!
Suite des "Rencontres insolites avec des grizzlys, chercheurs d'or et autres dans l'Ouest Américain" (26 février 2009)
Pour une poignée de dollars : 20 $ de parking, pour prendre la navette obligatoire : 29, 95 $
Pour quelques dollars de plus : encore 29, 95 $ pour la ballade en troupe sur le manège (fixe ! 😉)... et sans avoir le droit de prendre de photos... !!! 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ (Ca pourrait rayer les vitres !!! 😕😠😠😮)
Mais ce que j'en dis... 😊
Mais ce que j'en dis... 😊
Road Trip US : http://voyageforum.com/voyage/etats-unisretouruncrazyroadtrip10000kilometresdansouestamericainD1953753/
Photos autour du monde : http://tinyurl.com/PhotSkydrive
Hi Nobody,
.. et sans avoir le droit de prendre de photos... !!! 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ (Ca pourrait rayer les vitres !!! 😕

)
De quoi te plains tu mon ami, puisque moyennant une quinzaine de $ supplémentaires, un indien particulièrement respectueux des vitres se fera un plaisir de t'immortaliser sur le Skywalk.
Note tout de même que tu peux respirer à volonté sur le Skywalk et sans aucun supplément de prix (du moins à ce jour ) !
Philippe
.. et sans avoir le droit de prendre de photos... !!! 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ (Ca pourrait rayer les vitres !!! 😕


)De quoi te plains tu mon ami, puisque moyennant une quinzaine de $ supplémentaires, un indien particulièrement respectueux des vitres se fera un plaisir de t'immortaliser sur le Skywalk.
Note tout de même que tu peux respirer à volonté sur le Skywalk et sans aucun supplément de prix (du moins à ce jour ) !
Philippe
www.phschuler.com et www.ouestusa.fr, pour une vision de l'Ouest en dehors des sentiers battus.
Carnet de voyage Ouest USA 2009
dans la pratique et en tous cas en saison, le temps est effectivement limité à quelques minutes. De plus une fois sorti de la plateforme en verre le ticket ne permet plus d'y rentrer à nouveau.
A noter que nombre de visiteurs se plaignent des dégâts causés à leur voiture par l'état de la piste. Prudent d'avoir un 4X4 solide. Consulter le site"hicks wright" pour retour sur visites.
Il semble bien comme on dit là bas que l'affaire soit un vrai "rip-off"
cochize du Gard
Il semble bien comme on dit là bas que l'affaire soit un vrai "rip-off"
cochize du Gard
Suite des "Rencontres insolites avec des grizzlys, chercheurs d'or et autres dans l'Ouest Américain" (26 février 2009)
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Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!






