Suivant votre forum depuis un bout de temps pour nos voyages, j'aimerai me faire conseiller: En janvier, nous partons (mon mari, mon fils et moi-même) à Los angeles quelques jours puis prendrons la route pour Death Valley, Las Vegas, Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Moab... Nous aimerions éviter le retour en voiture et la laisser sur place pour reprendre l'avion (trajet interne) vers Los Angeles (et rentrer quelques jours après en France), soit rentrer directement en France (Lyon). Pour la première solution, quel point de départ me conseillez-vous? (nous aimerions éviter de monter en voiture jusqu'à Salt Lake City) Aussi, je trouve que les vols au départ de SLC sont assez chers... Nous avons 15 jours de vacances. Pensez-vous que 3/4 jours à Los Angeles et 12/13 jours sur la route allant jusqu'à Moab sont suffisants (en roulant un petit peu tout les jours...) ? Merci d'avance de tous vos conseils
Ouest américain: point de départ
by Justinemorel
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous,
Suivant votre forum depuis un bout de temps pour nos voyages, j'aimerai me faire conseiller: En janvier, nous partons (mon mari, mon fils et moi-même) à Los angeles quelques jours puis prendrons la route pour Death Valley, Las Vegas, Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Moab... Nous aimerions éviter le retour en voiture et la laisser sur place pour reprendre l'avion (trajet interne) vers Los Angeles (et rentrer quelques jours après en France), soit rentrer directement en France (Lyon). Pour la première solution, quel point de départ me conseillez-vous? (nous aimerions éviter de monter en voiture jusqu'à Salt Lake City) Aussi, je trouve que les vols au départ de SLC sont assez chers... Nous avons 15 jours de vacances. Pensez-vous que 3/4 jours à Los Angeles et 12/13 jours sur la route allant jusqu'à Moab sont suffisants (en roulant un petit peu tout les jours...) ? Merci d'avance de tous vos conseils
Suivant votre forum depuis un bout de temps pour nos voyages, j'aimerai me faire conseiller: En janvier, nous partons (mon mari, mon fils et moi-même) à Los angeles quelques jours puis prendrons la route pour Death Valley, Las Vegas, Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Moab... Nous aimerions éviter le retour en voiture et la laisser sur place pour reprendre l'avion (trajet interne) vers Los Angeles (et rentrer quelques jours après en France), soit rentrer directement en France (Lyon). Pour la première solution, quel point de départ me conseillez-vous? (nous aimerions éviter de monter en voiture jusqu'à Salt Lake City) Aussi, je trouve que les vols au départ de SLC sont assez chers... Nous avons 15 jours de vacances. Pensez-vous que 3/4 jours à Los Angeles et 12/13 jours sur la route allant jusqu'à Moab sont suffisants (en roulant un petit peu tout les jours...) ? Merci d'avance de tous vos conseils
Salut
Reste l'option de rendre la voiture à Denver.
Au niveau du temps pour faire le circuit, c'est correct. En janvier, neige possible un peu partout, surtout au Grand Canyon et à Bryce (mais pas à LA, ni dans les points touristiques de la Death Valley à priori).
Prévoir 3 nuits à Moab pour avoir un jour plein pour Arches et un jour plein pour Canyonlands.
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Reste l'option de rendre la voiture à Denver.
Au niveau du temps pour faire le circuit, c'est correct. En janvier, neige possible un peu partout, surtout au Grand Canyon et à Bryce (mais pas à LA, ni dans les points touristiques de la Death Valley à priori).
Prévoir 3 nuits à Moab pour avoir un jour plein pour Arches et un jour plein pour Canyonlands.
@++
Hi,
"Nous avons 15 jours de vacances. Pensez-vous que 3/4 jours à Los Angeles et 12/13 jours sur la route allant jusqu'à Moab sont suffisants"
Non, 15 jours ne vont pas vraiment être suffisants😕 Et même en réduisant le séjour à LA à 1 seul jour, il va falloir faire des choix, car vs ne pourrez pas faire ts les parcs:
tinéraire 1: J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas
J6 : Las Vegas - Valley of Fire (très tôt le matin) et route pour Zion + visite - nuit à Springdale J7 : Suite de Zion - route vers Bryce : visite et coucher de soleil - nuit à Bryce
J8 : Bryce Canyon J9 : Bryce Canyon- Escalante - Scenic Drive 12 - Torrey J10 : Torrey - Capitol Reef - Moab J11 : Moab J12 : Moab J13 : Moab – Denver
En rajoutant 2 jours à LA (donc 3 jours à LA au total comme vs le demandiez), vs arrivez effectivement à 15 jours en tout Mais sans Lac Powell, sans Monument Valley, sans Grand Canyon
Itinéraire 2: En reprenant les 5 premiers jours et les 6 derniers jours de l’itinéraire 1, mais sans Valley of Fire, et sans Zion, mais avec Grand Canyon + Lac Powell + Monument Valley, ça donne ceci (il faut plus de jours):
J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas
J6 : Las Vegas – Grand Canyon J7 : Grand Canyon J8 : Grand Canyon – Monument Valley J9 : Monument Valley– Page (Lac Powell) J10 : Page – Bryce Canyon (arrivée fin de journée)
J11 : Bryce Canyon J12 : Bryce Canyon- Escalante - Scenic Drive 12 - Torrey J13 : Torrey - Capitol Reef - Moab J14 : Moab J15 : Moab J16 : Moab – Denver
Itinéraire 3: En reprenant les 8 premiers jours de l’itinéraire 1 (donc avec Valley of Fire et Zion) + le Lac Powell + Monument Valley, mais sans Escalante, sans la Scenic Drive 12 et sans Torrey (Capitol Reef), et sans le Grand Canyon, ça donne ceci :
J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas J6 : Las Vegas - Valley of Fire - et route pour Zion + visite - nuit à Springdale J7 : Suite de Zion - route vers Bryce : visite et coucher de soleil - nuit à Bryce J8 : Bryce Canyon
J9 : Bryce Canyon – Page (Lac Powell) J10 : Page – Monument Valley J11 : Monument Valley - Moab J12 : Moab J13 : Moab J14 : Moab - Denver
Remarque: à cet itinéraire 3, vs pouvez ajouter 1 jour à LA pour arriver à votre quota de 15 jours
"Nous avons 15 jours de vacances. Pensez-vous que 3/4 jours à Los Angeles et 12/13 jours sur la route allant jusqu'à Moab sont suffisants"
Non, 15 jours ne vont pas vraiment être suffisants😕 Et même en réduisant le séjour à LA à 1 seul jour, il va falloir faire des choix, car vs ne pourrez pas faire ts les parcs:
tinéraire 1: J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas
J6 : Las Vegas - Valley of Fire (très tôt le matin) et route pour Zion + visite - nuit à Springdale J7 : Suite de Zion - route vers Bryce : visite et coucher de soleil - nuit à Bryce
J8 : Bryce Canyon J9 : Bryce Canyon- Escalante - Scenic Drive 12 - Torrey J10 : Torrey - Capitol Reef - Moab J11 : Moab J12 : Moab J13 : Moab – Denver
En rajoutant 2 jours à LA (donc 3 jours à LA au total comme vs le demandiez), vs arrivez effectivement à 15 jours en tout Mais sans Lac Powell, sans Monument Valley, sans Grand Canyon
Itinéraire 2: En reprenant les 5 premiers jours et les 6 derniers jours de l’itinéraire 1, mais sans Valley of Fire, et sans Zion, mais avec Grand Canyon + Lac Powell + Monument Valley, ça donne ceci (il faut plus de jours):
J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas
J6 : Las Vegas – Grand Canyon J7 : Grand Canyon J8 : Grand Canyon – Monument Valley J9 : Monument Valley– Page (Lac Powell) J10 : Page – Bryce Canyon (arrivée fin de journée)
J11 : Bryce Canyon J12 : Bryce Canyon- Escalante - Scenic Drive 12 - Torrey J13 : Torrey - Capitol Reef - Moab J14 : Moab J15 : Moab J16 : Moab – Denver
Itinéraire 3: En reprenant les 8 premiers jours de l’itinéraire 1 (donc avec Valley of Fire et Zion) + le Lac Powell + Monument Valley, mais sans Escalante, sans la Scenic Drive 12 et sans Torrey (Capitol Reef), et sans le Grand Canyon, ça donne ceci :
J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas J6 : Las Vegas - Valley of Fire - et route pour Zion + visite - nuit à Springdale J7 : Suite de Zion - route vers Bryce : visite et coucher de soleil - nuit à Bryce J8 : Bryce Canyon
J9 : Bryce Canyon – Page (Lac Powell) J10 : Page – Monument Valley J11 : Monument Valley - Moab J12 : Moab J13 : Moab J14 : Moab - Denver
Remarque: à cet itinéraire 3, vs pouvez ajouter 1 jour à LA pour arriver à votre quota de 15 jours
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
Et on peut gagner 1 journée sur chacun des trois circuits en enlevant la journée à LV !
Mais ça ça dépend des goûts et envies de chacun évidemment...
Aucun intérêt pour nous ! 😉
Pour un 1er voyage, Las Vegas est qd même à voir (et une seule soirée laissera un goût de trop peu...)
(je dis ça et pourtant je ne suis pas du tout fan de cette ville - sauf des spectacles du Cirque du Soleil-, et je suis chaque fois contente de la quitter pour retrouver les parcs)
(je dis ça et pourtant je ne suis pas du tout fan de cette ville - sauf des spectacles du Cirque du Soleil-, et je suis chaque fois contente de la quitter pour retrouver les parcs)
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
Pour nous, c'était un premier voyage en 2012 et nous n'avons pourtant passé qu'une seule soirée à LV. Nous sommes arrivés sur les coups de 17H environ et avons arpenté le strip après être monté en haut de la Stratosphère. Nous avons été assaillis de bruits, de monde, de lumières et avons été ravis de fuir tout cela dès le lendemain...
Je m'étais par contre promis d'aller voir un spectacle du cirque du soleil s'il y avait un jour un prochain passage par LV... mais les prix sont tellement prohibitifs et nous serons 4 en 2014... je crois que ce ne sera pas encore pour cette fois !
Enfin bref, tout ça pour dire que oui, il y a de quoi faire plusieurs jours, mais que si le temps est compté et selon ses priorités (pour nous c'est plus la nature), on peut mettre une journée complète à LV ou l'enlever et n'y passer qu'une soirée. 😉
Enfin bref, tout ça pour dire que oui, il y a de quoi faire plusieurs jours, mais que si le temps est compté et selon ses priorités (pour nous c'est plus la nature), on peut mettre une journée complète à LV ou l'enlever et n'y passer qu'une soirée. 😉
"Je m'étais par contre promis d'aller voir un spectacle du cirque du soleil s'il y avait un jour un prochain passage par LV... mais les prix sont tellement prohibitifs et nous serons 4 en 2014... je crois que ce ne sera pas encore pour cette fois !"
On peut voir Kà (très bonne place, au 6ème rang , parterre central) pour 120$ = 90 € (prix 2013) (remise de 50$/pers en s'inscrivant sur leur site internet) Et j'ai le souvenir d'avoir encore payé moins cher pour Le Rêve en 2011 (+/- 105 $, donc +/- 75€, pour également être très bien placé)
O est plus souvent sold out et bénéficie moins de remises (et qd il y en a, elles partent comme des petits pains)
On peut voir Kà (très bonne place, au 6ème rang , parterre central) pour 120$ = 90 € (prix 2013) (remise de 50$/pers en s'inscrivant sur leur site internet) Et j'ai le souvenir d'avoir encore payé moins cher pour Le Rêve en 2011 (+/- 105 $, donc +/- 75€, pour également être très bien placé)
O est plus souvent sold out et bénéficie moins de remises (et qd il y en a, elles partent comme des petits pains)
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
A l'itinéraire 3, au lieu de rajouter une journée en plus à LA pour arriver au quota de 15 jours, vs pouvez rajouter le Grand Canyon :
J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas J6 : Las Vegas - Valley of Fire - et route pour Zion + visite - nuit à Springdale J7 : Suite de Zion - route vers Bryce : visite et coucher de soleil - nuit à Bryce J8 : Bryce Canyon
J9 : Bryce Canyon – Page (Lac Powell) J10 : Page – Grand Canyon J11 : Grand Canyon – Monument Valley J12 : Monument Valley - Moab J13 : Moab J14 : Moab J15 : Moab - Denver
Mais ça rajoute des km et de la fatigue (l'enchainement Page-Grand Canyon-Monument Valley-Moab-Denver étant compressé au maximum)... mais ça reste faisable si vs ne voulez pas faire de grandes randos
Remarque: Salt Lake City (comme aéroport de retour) est qd même un peu moins loin de Moab que Denver
J1 : Arrivée à LA J2 : LA J3 : LA - Death Valley J4 : Death Valley- Las Vegas J5 : Las Vegas J6 : Las Vegas - Valley of Fire - et route pour Zion + visite - nuit à Springdale J7 : Suite de Zion - route vers Bryce : visite et coucher de soleil - nuit à Bryce J8 : Bryce Canyon
J9 : Bryce Canyon – Page (Lac Powell) J10 : Page – Grand Canyon J11 : Grand Canyon – Monument Valley J12 : Monument Valley - Moab J13 : Moab J14 : Moab J15 : Moab - Denver
Mais ça rajoute des km et de la fatigue (l'enchainement Page-Grand Canyon-Monument Valley-Moab-Denver étant compressé au maximum)... mais ça reste faisable si vs ne voulez pas faire de grandes randos
Remarque: Salt Lake City (comme aéroport de retour) est qd même un peu moins loin de Moab que Denver
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
Pour un itinéraire plus cool et pouvoir rester 3 jours entiers à LA, vs devez zapper Moab
Et faire par exemple:
Jour 1 : Arrivée à LA Jour 2 : LA (Universal Studio?) Jour 3 : LA Jour 4 : LA Jour 5 : LA - Death Valley Jour 6 : Death Valley - Las Vegas Jour 7 : Las Vegas Jour 8 : Las Vegas - Grand Canyon Jour 9 : Grand Canyon - Monument Valley Jour 10 : Monument Valley - Page Jour 11 : Page - Bryce Canyon Jour 12 : Bryce – Zion Jour 13 : Zion - Valley of Fire - Las Vegas Jour 14 : vol retour
J15= Jour supplémentaire à placer au choix, à LA ou Grand Canyon ou Page ou Bryce ou Zion
Jour 1 : Arrivée à LA Jour 2 : LA (Universal Studio?) Jour 3 : LA Jour 4 : LA Jour 5 : LA - Death Valley Jour 6 : Death Valley - Las Vegas Jour 7 : Las Vegas Jour 8 : Las Vegas - Grand Canyon Jour 9 : Grand Canyon - Monument Valley Jour 10 : Monument Valley - Page Jour 11 : Page - Bryce Canyon Jour 12 : Bryce – Zion Jour 13 : Zion - Valley of Fire - Las Vegas Jour 14 : vol retour
J15= Jour supplémentaire à placer au choix, à LA ou Grand Canyon ou Page ou Bryce ou Zion
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
Hello
Moi je ferai celui-là sachant que tu as cité LA, Death Valley, Las Vegas, Bryce, Grand Canyon et Moab. Et sachant qu'en janvier Bryce est vraisemblablement sous la neige donc ça sert à rien de rester un jour entier, les chemins seront à priori impraticables pour descendre au fond.
J1: arrivée LA - Nuit LA J2: LA - Nuit LA J3: LA - Nuit LA J4: LA - Death Valley - Nuit Furnace Creek ou Stovepipe Wells J5: Death Valley - Vegas - Nuit Vegas J6: Vegas - Nuit Vegas J7: Vegas - Valley Of Fire - Zion (Canyon Overlook) - Bryce - Nuit Bryce J8: Bryce le matin - Page (Horseshoe Bend) - Nuit Page J9: Page (Lower Antelope Canyon) - Grand Canyon - Nuit Grand Canyon Village J10: Grand Canyon - Monument Valley - Nuit The View ou Mexican Hat J11: Mexican Hat - Valley Of The Gods - Goosenecks State Park - Muley Point - Moab (Fisher Towers ou Corona Arch) - Nuit Moab J12: Moab (Arches) - Nuit Moab J13: Moab (Canyonlands) - Nuit Moab J14: Moab - Denver J15: départ Denver
Pour moi cela est possible en 15 jours, certes tu passes rapidement à certains endroits.
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Moi je ferai celui-là sachant que tu as cité LA, Death Valley, Las Vegas, Bryce, Grand Canyon et Moab. Et sachant qu'en janvier Bryce est vraisemblablement sous la neige donc ça sert à rien de rester un jour entier, les chemins seront à priori impraticables pour descendre au fond.
J1: arrivée LA - Nuit LA J2: LA - Nuit LA J3: LA - Nuit LA J4: LA - Death Valley - Nuit Furnace Creek ou Stovepipe Wells J5: Death Valley - Vegas - Nuit Vegas J6: Vegas - Nuit Vegas J7: Vegas - Valley Of Fire - Zion (Canyon Overlook) - Bryce - Nuit Bryce J8: Bryce le matin - Page (Horseshoe Bend) - Nuit Page J9: Page (Lower Antelope Canyon) - Grand Canyon - Nuit Grand Canyon Village J10: Grand Canyon - Monument Valley - Nuit The View ou Mexican Hat J11: Mexican Hat - Valley Of The Gods - Goosenecks State Park - Muley Point - Moab (Fisher Towers ou Corona Arch) - Nuit Moab J12: Moab (Arches) - Nuit Moab J13: Moab (Canyonlands) - Nuit Moab J14: Moab - Denver J15: départ Denver
Pour moi cela est possible en 15 jours, certes tu passes rapidement à certains endroits.
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Merci à tous pour ces précieux conseils! J'en espérais pas autant!
En effet, je pensais passer une journée et 2 nuits à LV. Nous ne sommes pas de grands fans de casinos mais voulons profiter de l'ambiance qui règne là-bas.
Notre fils étant petit, nous ne voulons pas faire de très longues randonnées (surtout vu les températures à cette période de l'année) mais aimerions en faire quelques unes et nous imprégner des lieux... En avez-vous certaines en particulier à nous recommander?
Je pense que nous allons raccourcir notre séjour à Los Angeles à 2 jours seulement. Je me demande si je ne devrais pas aussi zapper Moab et le faire en vol interne dans un prochain voyage dans l'Ouest... Si nous n'allons pas jusqu'à Moab, de quel endroit puis-je repartir ? (j'avais pensé à Page-Los Angeles mais il n'y a pas d'agence de voiture à Page pour la restituer...)
A bientôt et merci encore!
On peut voir Kà (très bonne place, au 6ème rang , parterre central) pour 120$ = 90 € (prix 2013) (remise de 50$/pers en s'inscrivant sur leur site internet)
Et j'ai le souvenir d'avoir encore payé moins cher pour Le Rêve en 2011 (+/- 105 $, donc +/- 75€, pour également être très bien placé)
O est plus souvent sold out et bénéficie moins de remises (et qd il y en a, elles partent comme des petits pains)
Merci pour les infos !
O est plus souvent sold out et bénéficie moins de remises (et qd il y en a, elles partent comme des petits pains)
Merci pour les infos !
Vu la période où vs partez (risque de neige sur certaines rtes et journées très courtes) je ne ferais pas l'enchainement compressé au maximum de Zion-Bryce-Page-Grand Canyon-Monument Valley-Moab-Denver , qui exige que vs changiez d'hôtel pratiquement chaque jour... d'autant plus avec un enfant...
"Notre fils étant petit, nous ne voulons pas faire de très longues randonnées (surtout vu les températures à cette période de l'année) mais aimerions en faire quelques unes et nous imprégner des lieux... En avez-vous certaines en particulier à nous recommander?"
Voir par exemple les carnets de mcd8 dont plusieurs se sont déroulés en hiver et qui décrivent très bien les randos http://mcd8.smugmug.com/USA A vs de voir celles qui seraient adaptées à votre enfant
" Si nous n'allons pas jusqu'à Moab, de quel endroit puis-je repartir ?"
Je vs ai donné un itinéraire ci-dessus sans Moab http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6209378#6209378 qui vs fait repartir de Las Vegas ce qui vs permet d'ailleurs de ne pas avoir de frais de dropp off (contrairement aux autres itinéraires où les frais de dropp off entre LA à Denver se montent à +/- 300$ +taxe)
"Notre fils étant petit, nous ne voulons pas faire de très longues randonnées (surtout vu les températures à cette période de l'année) mais aimerions en faire quelques unes et nous imprégner des lieux... En avez-vous certaines en particulier à nous recommander?"
Voir par exemple les carnets de mcd8 dont plusieurs se sont déroulés en hiver et qui décrivent très bien les randos http://mcd8.smugmug.com/USA A vs de voir celles qui seraient adaptées à votre enfant
" Si nous n'allons pas jusqu'à Moab, de quel endroit puis-je repartir ?"
Je vs ai donné un itinéraire ci-dessus sans Moab http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6209378#6209378 qui vs fait repartir de Las Vegas ce qui vs permet d'ailleurs de ne pas avoir de frais de dropp off (contrairement aux autres itinéraires où les frais de dropp off entre LA à Denver se montent à +/- 300$ +taxe)
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
Bonjour ,
Vous avez le choix de partir en janvier ou à une saison + favorable ? En dehors des conditions météo hivernales qui peuvent être rigoureuses surtout aux sites les + élevés cités par ITAT , il faut penser aussi que les journées seront les + courtes de l' année , ce qui ne favorise pas des programmes quotidiens denses ...
Vous avez le choix de partir en janvier ou à une saison + favorable ? En dehors des conditions météo hivernales qui peuvent être rigoureuses surtout aux sites les + élevés cités par ITAT , il faut penser aussi que les journées seront les + courtes de l' année , ce qui ne favorise pas des programmes quotidiens denses ...
Attention le jour d'arrivée à LA ne compte pas! Donc 2 jours = 3 nuits. Si vous y passez moins de temps, autant zapper à mon avis.
Les gens qui passent peu de temps à Los Angeles n'en retiennent en général que les bouchons et la décrépitude de Hollywood Boulevard...
Oui, on en est bien conscients... le problème, c'est qu'ayant notre entreprise, nous ne pouvons nous absenter en d'autres périodes que Janvier et Août (je ne veux surtout pas partir en Août dans un endroit aussi touristique et faire de la route tous les jours par forte chaleur) et pas plus de 15/16 jours.
Le fait de changer d'hôtels tous les jours ne nous dérange pas, notre fils, bien que petit, est un habitué des voyages 😉
Je replonge dans mon itinéraire, à bientôt
Je trouve qu'il serait dommage de zapper Moab, c'est justement le seul endroit hors villes où vous pouvez rester plusieurs nuits et vous poser un peu tant il y a à voir autour.
"Le fait de changer d'hôtels tous les jours ne nous dérange pas"
Comme déjà dit , à ce "problème", s'ajoute surtout les journées trop courtes (ce qui réduit vos temps de visite/balades) et le risque de neige sur les rtes ( ce qui risque aussi de diminuer votre vitesse de conduite) ou de neige ds les parcs (vs serez peut-être bien contents de pouvoir postposer votre visite au lendemain... ce qui ne sera pas possible si ts les parcs s'enchainent chaque jour🤪)
Bonne réflexion🙂
Comme déjà dit , à ce "problème", s'ajoute surtout les journées trop courtes (ce qui réduit vos temps de visite/balades) et le risque de neige sur les rtes ( ce qui risque aussi de diminuer votre vitesse de conduite) ou de neige ds les parcs (vs serez peut-être bien contents de pouvoir postposer votre visite au lendemain... ce qui ne sera pas possible si ts les parcs s'enchainent chaque jour🤪)
Bonne réflexion🙂
Ouest USA 2009 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2800143#2800143
5ème trip USA, 09/2013 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6186946#6186946
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Hello! The itinerary is pretty much set for August 2026. Yeah, I know it’s gonna be *super* hot. But it’s the only time we can get away.
So, here’s the plan: Montpellier-CDG-Dallas.
Stay from July 31 to August 26, 2026: Car rental – check, Hotels – check, Itinerary – almost check, Photo gear – check, Budget – check, 🤪 Meal planning – meh, we’ll see... Walmart, of course, for the cooler when we arrive.
And now, without too much detail...
Fort Worth: The Longhorns and the Stockyards; JR’s ranch (for the missus); Medal of Honor Museum – Arlington.
Houston and NASA Space Center: See the Gulf of Mexico/America.
San Antonio and the missions.
Fort Stockton for an overnight stop.
El Paso via Guadalupe Mountains: El Paso and White Sands.
Tucson and the Pima Air & Space Museum: Tombstone, Bisbee.
Phoenix:
Still working on the program.
Sedona: Round trip around the area via Flagstaff and Williams, or the Grand Canyon (already done) – we’ll decide on the spot.
Albuquerque: Santa Fe, Turquoise Trail, Los Alamos.
Amarillo via Route 66: Old Route 66 in the city; Big Texas Ranch Steak 😏.
Dallas: JFK Museum; Perot Museum; West End district.
And through it all – the road, the road, and more road!!!
We’ll adapt day by day based on our mental and physical state (we’re not exactly spring chickens).
Return to France: Dallas-Montpellier via CDG.
Cheers!
So, here’s the plan: Montpellier-CDG-Dallas.
Stay from July 31 to August 26, 2026: Car rental – check, Hotels – check, Itinerary – almost check, Photo gear – check, Budget – check, 🤪 Meal planning – meh, we’ll see... Walmart, of course, for the cooler when we arrive.
And now, without too much detail...
Fort Worth: The Longhorns and the Stockyards; JR’s ranch (for the missus); Medal of Honor Museum – Arlington.
Houston and NASA Space Center: See the Gulf of Mexico/America.
San Antonio and the missions.
Fort Stockton for an overnight stop.
El Paso via Guadalupe Mountains: El Paso and White Sands.
Tucson and the Pima Air & Space Museum: Tombstone, Bisbee.
Phoenix:
Still working on the program.
Sedona: Round trip around the area via Flagstaff and Williams, or the Grand Canyon (already done) – we’ll decide on the spot.
Albuquerque: Santa Fe, Turquoise Trail, Los Alamos.
Amarillo via Route 66: Old Route 66 in the city; Big Texas Ranch Steak 😏.
Dallas: JFK Museum; Perot Museum; West End district.
And through it all – the road, the road, and more road!!!
We’ll adapt day by day based on our mental and physical state (we’re not exactly spring chickens).
Return to France: Dallas-Montpellier via CDG.
Cheers!
Hello everyone! Really damaged due to flooding caused by runoff after forest fires (a total mess!), does anyone in this friendly forum have any updates on the Apache Trail between Apache Junction and Roosevelt Dam? Is there still a section of the road that’s tough to navigate?
Best,
Best,
Hi there,
We're leaving at the end of June and will be driving the route between Buffalo and Cody. We’ve already booked our accommodations and a rodeo in Cody, but during the day, we’ll be driving between the two and I’m unsure about the itinerary. Which route do you think is the most pleasant, interesting, or scenic between: - The northern route via Highway 14 with Sheridan, Lowell, etc. - The southern route with Highways 16/20/14, passing by Loaf Mountain Overlook, Powder River Pass, Ten Sleep Canyon...
We’ll be in a car, so we should be able to drive on any road. Thanks for your input!
Laura
We're leaving at the end of June and will be driving the route between Buffalo and Cody. We’ve already booked our accommodations and a rodeo in Cody, but during the day, we’ll be driving between the two and I’m unsure about the itinerary. Which route do you think is the most pleasant, interesting, or scenic between: - The northern route via Highway 14 with Sheridan, Lowell, etc. - The southern route with Highways 16/20/14, passing by Loaf Mountain Overlook, Powder River Pass, Ten Sleep Canyon...
We’ll be in a car, so we should be able to drive on any road. Thanks for your input!
Laura
Hi everyone! 🙂
I’m almost done planning our September road trip. After our 3-night visit to Sequoia, we’ll have a stopover night in Coalinga (to break up the drive). We’ll be staying two nights in Monterey and would like to stop along the way to visit one side of Pinnacles National Park. We’re torn between the West entrance and the East entrance, and we’d like to do a short hike of no more than 2 hours since we don’t want to arrive too late in Monterey.
This park is split into two distinct zones with no connection between them, and the mileage from Coalinga to Monterey is pretty much the same for both. Which area do you recommend visiting—east or west? And which route is the most scenic?
I’ve spotted two short hikes: - East: Moses Spring to Rim Trail Loop - West: Balconies Cliffs Cave Loop
Has anyone been there, or do you have another hike to suggest?
Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon! Marcalamar 🙂
I’m almost done planning our September road trip. After our 3-night visit to Sequoia, we’ll have a stopover night in Coalinga (to break up the drive). We’ll be staying two nights in Monterey and would like to stop along the way to visit one side of Pinnacles National Park. We’re torn between the West entrance and the East entrance, and we’d like to do a short hike of no more than 2 hours since we don’t want to arrive too late in Monterey.
This park is split into two distinct zones with no connection between them, and the mileage from Coalinga to Monterey is pretty much the same for both. Which area do you recommend visiting—east or west? And which route is the most scenic?
I’ve spotted two short hikes: - East: Moses Spring to Rim Trail Loop - West: Balconies Cliffs Cave Loop
Has anyone been there, or do you have another hike to suggest?
Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon! Marcalamar 🙂
Hi there,
We’re heading to Las Vegas this summer and would love to rent a classic convertible Cadillac or something similar. Any recommendations? Thanks.
We’re heading to Las Vegas this summer and would love to rent a classic convertible Cadillac or something similar. Any recommendations? Thanks.
Hello everyone,
After our first trip as a young couple to the West in 2007 (yes, that doesn’t make us any younger!), we’re planning to go back in 2028, but this time as a family of four! (We have two boys who’ll be 5½ and 13 years old in the summer of 2028.)
Our plan is to combine a few big cities (SF and LA, maybe San Diego) with national parks and state parks, mostly! Ideally, we’d like to leave at the end of June and head back to France around July 19–20, so we can enjoy the first week of the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
Since we already did the "loop" in 2007, there are must-see places we absolutely want to revisit—and especially share with our kids: Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, and above all, the Grand Canyon, which is still the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen on Earth!
On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
After our first trip as a young couple to the West in 2007 (yes, that doesn’t make us any younger!), we’re planning to go back in 2028, but this time as a family of four! (We have two boys who’ll be 5½ and 13 years old in the summer of 2028.)
Our plan is to combine a few big cities (SF and LA, maybe San Diego) with national parks and state parks, mostly! Ideally, we’d like to leave at the end of June and head back to France around July 19–20, so we can enjoy the first week of the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
Since we already did the "loop" in 2007, there are must-see places we absolutely want to revisit—and especially share with our kids: Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, and above all, the Grand Canyon, which is still the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen on Earth!
On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Merci de me conseiller pour la réservation pour la plus belle vue faut il réserver une chambre dans l'hôtel ou choisir une cabane ?
Prendre le petit déjeuner ou pas ?
Que pensez vous du restaurant ?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
Hi VF community,
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
Hi there,
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hey everyone!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
Hello,
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan




