Quelqu'un peut il m'expliquer la différence entre ces le huana pichu et le machu pichu? Je pensais qu'en allant au machu pichu, on passait forcement par le huana-pichu, non? Doit on prendre deux routes différentes? Merci!
Différence entre le Huayna Picchu et le Machu Picchu?
by Bisousours
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
Quelqu'un peut il m'expliquer la différence entre ces le huana pichu et le machu pichu? Je pensais qu'en allant au machu pichu, on passait forcement par le huana-pichu, non? Doit on prendre deux routes différentes? Merci!
Quelqu'un peut il m'expliquer la différence entre ces le huana pichu et le machu pichu? Je pensais qu'en allant au machu pichu, on passait forcement par le huana-pichu, non? Doit on prendre deux routes différentes? Merci!
Tu vas comprendre facilement quand tu regardes une carte postale ou LA photo cliché de Machu Picchu tu vois en bas la citadelle et derrière une grande montagne et le sommet c'est le Wayana Picchu 2634 mètres (qui vaut vraiment le détour la vue est époustouflante et vertigineuse !) Et plus bas le sommet du Huayna Picchu. Et tu donne dos au Mont Machu picchu qui se trouve en réalité derrière toi. Si tu souhaite faire l'ascension du Huayna Picchu c'est la même entrée que celle du Wayana Pichu (la plus impressionante)je te conseille celle du Wayana Picchu et de le faire en premier le plus tôt le matin à l'ouverture du site. Tu devras traverser toute la citadelle pour de rendre à l'opposé de l'entrée du site et là une autre guérite de sécurité compte le nombre d'entrée qui est limité à 200 personnes par jours à cause de la difficulté et du manque de sécurité sur le site il y a quelque passage dangereux (bord de précipice, échelles, corde) mais cela reste faisable sans trop de risque. Le site se décompose en plusieurs partis tout d'abord la citadelle avec les terrasses, en face la montagne Wayana Picchu puis au pied le la montage le temple de la lune creusé dans une grotte (je ne l'ai pas fait il y a près de 7 heures de marche et aucune sécurité), de l'autre coté el puente del inca facilement faisable, puis la porte du soleil C'est la ou se termine le chemin des incas (chemin des incas : 4 à 5 jours de marche au départ de cousco) Puis le Machu Pichu (sommet à plus de 3000 mètres) En réalité tu peux passer des jours à explorer le site (mais il faut repayer l’entrée tous les jours 60 USD). Ca a vraiment était pour moi le voyage de ma vie ! Si tu as d’autres questions n’hésite pas !
Elo
Je confirme que la descente du Huanay Picchu vers le temple de la lune n'est pas très sécurisée (en juin 2010 en tous cas); il y avait de grandes échelles en bois qui ne m'ont pas parues très sures. Mais il est aussi possible d'accéder au temple de la lune directement en contournant le Huanay Picchu; là le chemin est un peu plus sûr.
A ELO98, il me semble que Huayna Picchu ou Wayna Picchu c'est la même choses non?
A ELO98, il me semble que Huayna Picchu ou Wayna Picchu c'est la même choses non?
Attention, petite précision :
la visite du Huayna, ou Wayna est certes réservée au 200 premières personnes, mais pas les 200 premières à se présenter à la guerite de sécurité de l'entrée du Wayna !
Pour visiter le Wayna, en plus du Machu, il faut arriver dans les 200 premiers à l'entrée principale, celle du contrôle d'entrée du Machu !!! Là une file d'attente se forme et les 200 premier à ce niveau peuvent accéder au Graal : le Wayna.
Pour ça deux solutions :
Si on est en période "basse", le premier bus qui monte de Aguas peut suffire. Si on est en période "haute", il vaut mieux se lever très tôt (3h30 mx) et grimper à pied et à la lumière d'une torche des 1200 (je crois) marches qui séparent la ville du site historique. Attention, on est à 3.000 mètres, l'ascension est faisable mais difficile si on est pas en bonne forme...
la visite du Huayna, ou Wayna est certes réservée au 200 premières personnes, mais pas les 200 premières à se présenter à la guerite de sécurité de l'entrée du Wayna !
Pour visiter le Wayna, en plus du Machu, il faut arriver dans les 200 premiers à l'entrée principale, celle du contrôle d'entrée du Machu !!! Là une file d'attente se forme et les 200 premier à ce niveau peuvent accéder au Graal : le Wayna.
Pour ça deux solutions :
Si on est en période "basse", le premier bus qui monte de Aguas peut suffire. Si on est en période "haute", il vaut mieux se lever très tôt (3h30 mx) et grimper à pied et à la lumière d'une torche des 1200 (je crois) marches qui séparent la ville du site historique. Attention, on est à 3.000 mètres, l'ascension est faisable mais difficile si on est pas en bonne forme...
peut on accéder au mont machu picchu ? est ce le meme appelé dans le lonely planet le cerro picchu ?
cottet
c'est dans LP ! peu importe le nom. en 2 h on arrive au sommet ? est ce difficile ?
cottet
le cerro (ou massif montagneux) machu Picchu se trouve du coté de la porte du soleil . C'est l'arrivée du chemin de l'inca
Le cerro Huayna Picchu se trouve de l'autre coté dans la boucle de l'Urubamba
Le site archeologique du Machu Picchu se trouve sur la crête reliant les 2 cerros Machu Picchu et Huayna Picchu
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Le site archeologique du Machu Picchu se trouve sur la crête reliant les 2 cerros Machu Picchu et Huayna Picchu
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A ELO98, il me semble que Huayna Picchu ou Wayna Picchu c'est la même choses non?
Je repose la question : c'est la même chose??? Parce que je suis mélangée en lisant divers messages / infos sur le net...
Au fonds, logiquement, le Wayna n'est qu'une version phonétique de Huayna?!?
Je repose la question : c'est la même chose??? Parce que je suis mélangée en lisant divers messages / infos sur le net...
Au fonds, logiquement, le Wayna n'est qu'une version phonétique de Huayna?!?
A ELO98, il me semble que Huayna Picchu ou Wayna Picchu c'est la même choses non?
Oui c'est la même chose. Le quechua n'était pas une langue écrite. Donc maintenant quand on l'écrit on utilise une transcription à partir de l'espagnol. Ces transcriptions écrites peuvent prendre plusieurs formes. En particulier le son "hua" ou "wa" qui revient dans de nombreux mots. Avant on écrivait presque toujours "hua", mais actuellement on a tendance à privilégier le "wa"
Oui c'est la même chose. Le quechua n'était pas une langue écrite. Donc maintenant quand on l'écrit on utilise une transcription à partir de l'espagnol. Ces transcriptions écrites peuvent prendre plusieurs formes. En particulier le son "hua" ou "wa" qui revient dans de nombreux mots. Avant on écrivait presque toujours "hua", mais actuellement on a tendance à privilégier le "wa"
Merci! Maintenant, c'est clair!!! 🙂
Juste une dernière précision.
L'accès au Huayna Picchu se fait maintenant en achetant le billet à l'avance, plus besoin de faire la queue. 2500 billets sont vendus pour le machu picchu par jour et parmi ces 2500, il y en a 400 qui permettent l'accès au Huayna Picchu. Il faut donc acheter son billet à l'avance mais une fois qu'on a son billet, plus besoin de faire la queue devant l'accès du Huayna.
Ces réformes datent du 20 juillet. Cherchez sur le site pour plus d'info.
Un conseil: Il faut acheter son billet au moins 4 ou 5 jours à l'avance, les billets partent vite.
L'accès au Huayna Picchu se fait maintenant en achetant le billet à l'avance, plus besoin de faire la queue. 2500 billets sont vendus pour le machu picchu par jour et parmi ces 2500, il y en a 400 qui permettent l'accès au Huayna Picchu. Il faut donc acheter son billet à l'avance mais une fois qu'on a son billet, plus besoin de faire la queue devant l'accès du Huayna.
Ces réformes datent du 20 juillet. Cherchez sur le site pour plus d'info.
Un conseil: Il faut acheter son billet au moins 4 ou 5 jours à l'avance, les billets partent vite.
idem pour le cerro picchu, il faut payer payer payer en plus..........
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Oui. C'est vrai. En septembre, quand j'y étais, il n'était plus possible de monter le Cerro Machu Picchu comme le Wayna Picchu sans un billet acheté en avance.
Il reste le Inti Punku (porte du soleil) qui est encore gratuit. Je suis certaine que pas pour longtemps cependant!
Il reste le Inti Punku (porte du soleil) qui est encore gratuit. Je suis certaine que pas pour longtemps cependant!
Bonjour à tous,
Je fais remonter ce post à la surface car allant au Pérou cet été je souhaiterais savoir si il y a un intérêt à rester 2 jours sur Agua Calientes pour passer 2 jours sur le site du Macchu Picchu sachant que l'objectif est de faire le Macchu Picchu et de monter en haut du Cero Macchu Picchu. Est ce que les 2 tiennent sur une seule journée sachant que les trains semblent repartir en début d'après midi ?
Merci
Je fais remonter ce post à la surface car allant au Pérou cet été je souhaiterais savoir si il y a un intérêt à rester 2 jours sur Agua Calientes pour passer 2 jours sur le site du Macchu Picchu sachant que l'objectif est de faire le Macchu Picchu et de monter en haut du Cero Macchu Picchu. Est ce que les 2 tiennent sur une seule journée sachant que les trains semblent repartir en début d'après midi ?
Merci
Bonjour,
Il est possible de visiter les ruines Machu Picchu et le Cerro Machu Pichu (prévoir environ 3h pour aller-retour) en une seule journée et ce, sans vous pressez.
Allez-y dès l'ouverture du site qui est je crois vers 6h du matin, car il n'y a rien de plus magique que de regardez le soleil illuminer le site tout doucement. 🙂
Pour le train, il y a des trains qui partent de Machu Picchu à Poroy (Cusco) vers 16h-17h aussi donc vous avez amplement du temps pour monter le Cerro et visiter les ruines en 9h (début 6h du matin, départ du site 15h).
Un exemple, en 9h, j'ai pu visiter les ruines, monter au Huayna Picchu et aller au Intipunku
Lien pour voir les horaires du train : https://www.perurail.com/
Bon voyage! 🙂
Il est possible de visiter les ruines Machu Picchu et le Cerro Machu Pichu (prévoir environ 3h pour aller-retour) en une seule journée et ce, sans vous pressez.
Allez-y dès l'ouverture du site qui est je crois vers 6h du matin, car il n'y a rien de plus magique que de regardez le soleil illuminer le site tout doucement. 🙂
Pour le train, il y a des trains qui partent de Machu Picchu à Poroy (Cusco) vers 16h-17h aussi donc vous avez amplement du temps pour monter le Cerro et visiter les ruines en 9h (début 6h du matin, départ du site 15h).
Un exemple, en 9h, j'ai pu visiter les ruines, monter au Huayna Picchu et aller au Intipunku
Lien pour voir les horaires du train : https://www.perurail.com/
Bon voyage! 🙂
Merci pour votre réponse.
Intipunku, c'est le chemin qui va vers la porte du soleil, arrivée du chemin de l'inca ?
Qu'elle est la différence avec monter en haut du Cerro ?
Je dois écrire à mon tour operator pour lui dire quel billet d'entrée et j'hésite encore à lui demander un billet pour Huayna picchu + les ruines ou Cerro picchu + Les ruines.
Qu'est ce qui est le plus interessant à faire ?
Intipunku semble sympa pour les photos et la vue générale sur le site plus Huayna en arrière plan et du coup je me demande quel est l’intérêt de monter en haut du Cerro ?
Merci pour vos conseils
Je dois écrire à mon tour operator pour lui dire quel billet d'entrée et j'hésite encore à lui demander un billet pour Huayna picchu + les ruines ou Cerro picchu + Les ruines.
Qu'est ce qui est le plus interessant à faire ?
Intipunku semble sympa pour les photos et la vue générale sur le site plus Huayna en arrière plan et du coup je me demande quel est l’intérêt de monter en haut du Cerro ?
Merci pour vos conseils
Intipunku, c'est la Porte du Soleil, l'entrée principale du trek inca. Et quand j'y étais en 2011, c'était encore gratuit.
Je ne suis pas montée au Cerro, alors je ne peux pas vous dire c'est quoi exactement la différence entre la vue sur le Cerro et celle à partir d'Intipunku. Mais j'ai l'impression qu'avec le Cerro vous êtes juste plus haut, mais vous avez quand même le même point de vue, car vous êtes du même côté. Le chemin qui vous mène vers la Porte du Soleil et le Cerro se trouve du même côté du site.
Avec Huyana Picchu, vous êtes de l'autre côté complètement. Mais la montée vers le Huyana est plus difficile, car c'est assez abrupte comme montée surtout vers le pic.
Tout dépend de votre condition physique.
Pour vous donner une idée de temps, je suis arrivée sur le site dès son ouverture. J'ai attendu le levée de soleil sur les ruines et après avoir traversé le site de ruines, je suis allée monter au Huyana Picchu vers 8h. Ça m'a pris environ 2h si ma mémoire est bonne et après j'ai passé mon temps à visiter les ruines. Vers 13h, j'ai commencé ma marche vers la Porte. Et je suis sortie complètement du site Machu Picchu vers 15h - 15h30.
J'espère que ça vous aide un peu 😛
Je ne suis pas montée au Cerro, alors je ne peux pas vous dire c'est quoi exactement la différence entre la vue sur le Cerro et celle à partir d'Intipunku. Mais j'ai l'impression qu'avec le Cerro vous êtes juste plus haut, mais vous avez quand même le même point de vue, car vous êtes du même côté. Le chemin qui vous mène vers la Porte du Soleil et le Cerro se trouve du même côté du site.
Avec Huyana Picchu, vous êtes de l'autre côté complètement. Mais la montée vers le Huyana est plus difficile, car c'est assez abrupte comme montée surtout vers le pic.
Tout dépend de votre condition physique.
Pour vous donner une idée de temps, je suis arrivée sur le site dès son ouverture. J'ai attendu le levée de soleil sur les ruines et après avoir traversé le site de ruines, je suis allée monter au Huyana Picchu vers 8h. Ça m'a pris environ 2h si ma mémoire est bonne et après j'ai passé mon temps à visiter les ruines. Vers 13h, j'ai commencé ma marche vers la Porte. Et je suis sortie complètement du site Machu Picchu vers 15h - 15h30.
J'espère que ça vous aide un peu 😛
Bonjour,
La vue du sommet de la montagne Machu Picchu vaut vraiment les 3 heures de marche. C'est de là que sont prises les meilleures photos de la citadelle.
En dehors de la vue, la montagne est moins encombrée que le Huayna Picchu et le chemin est moins raide (je déconseille le Huayna Picchu pour les gens qui ont le vertige).
Dernier point, il n'y a que 14 soles de différence entre la visite classique et Machu Picchu+Montagne donc cela vaut vraiment la peine d'y aller.
Bien cordialement, Serge.
La vue du sommet de la montagne Machu Picchu vaut vraiment les 3 heures de marche. C'est de là que sont prises les meilleures photos de la citadelle.
En dehors de la vue, la montagne est moins encombrée que le Huayna Picchu et le chemin est moins raide (je déconseille le Huayna Picchu pour les gens qui ont le vertige).
Dernier point, il n'y a que 14 soles de différence entre la visite classique et Machu Picchu+Montagne donc cela vaut vraiment la peine d'y aller.
Bien cordialement, Serge.
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So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Below is our draft itinerary (with questions at each stop):
29/11: France → Colombia. Overnight in Bogotá. 30/11: Exploring Bogotá: La Candelaria and Montserrate. 01/12: Gold Museum (closed on Mondays). Drive to Zipaquirá (1.5 hrs) to visit the Salt Cathedral. Then drive to Villa de Leyva (3 hrs). Explore the town. Overnight in Villa de Leyva. 02/12: Return to Bogotá via Laguna de Guatavita (5 hrs). Is it worth the detour? Overnight in Bogotá. 03/12: Flight to Pereira. Drive to Salento. Overnight in Salento. 04/12: Cocora Valley (hike among the wax palms) followed by a drive around the area. Are there any waterfalls or other sights nearby? 05/12: Visit a coffee finca—any recommendations? Then explore the surroundings: Filandia, Manizales, waterfalls? Hot springs? Which ones? 06/12: Flight to Medellín. 07/12: Exploring Medellín: Centro, Plaza Botero, Comuna 13. How do you visit Comuna 13? Is it easy to get around Medellín? Metro? Buses? 08/12: Drive to Guatapé (2 hrs). Visit the town, stroll around the lake, then El Peñol. Overnight in Guatapé. 09/12: Return to Medellín. 10/12: Flight to Santa Marta. Drive to a hotel near Tayrona Park. 11/12: Tayrona—El Zaino entrance. 12/12: Tayrona—Palangana entrance, then Bahia Concha and Santa Marta. What do you think? 13/12: Drive to Minca (45 mins). Can we reach the village by car? Pozo Azul and Marinka waterfalls. Overnight in Minca (or back in Tayrona?). 14/12: Drive to Puerto Nao (5 hrs). Stop in Ciénaga on the way + boat tour in Nueva Venecia and/or Buena Vista? Not enough time? Overnight in Puerto Nao. 15/12: Exploring Cartagena: Centro, Getsemaní, the walls + La Boquilla if we have time. 16/12: La Boquilla (is it really worth it?) if we didn’t have time yesterday, then back to the beach. 17/12: Return to France.
So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Hi there, I’ll be in Brazil from December 10th to the end of February.
I’ve sketched out a rough itinerary but I’m not sure how to arrange it—considering the climate, year-end holidays, and Carnival.
Basically, I’m thinking of the Amazon, the Northeast coast with Lençóis Maranhenses National Park (but skipping Chapada Diamantina),
Ouro Preto, Paraty, and Ilha Grande—but no Rio visit.
Is this doable in 3 months?
Which direction should I take for this itinerary?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone, does anyone know the agency Ventura Travel Agency (not ventura travel)? After lots of research and quotes, it’s the only one offering Uyuni at a reasonable price while meeting all the criteria: transfer to the border, private-room accommodation, and a very fair rate. Other agencies or guides either offer shared rooms, no border transfer, or prices that are way too high. But I’d love to hear some reviews about this agency. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
We're planning a trip to Chile to visit the Atacama Desert and then head toward Putre, Lauca, Salar de Surire, etc.
Which would be the better time to go, April or November?
Is an SUV enough?
Looking forward to your tips!
Hi, I'm looking for a local agency in Uyuni to do the trip and tours from Uyuni to San Pedro de Atacama. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Hi there,
Could you recommend any car rental agencies in Calama and Punta Arenas? Best regards,
Could you recommend any car rental agencies in Calama and Punta Arenas? Best regards,
Hi everyone, French travelers in Chile—what credit cards do you use for your various car rentals in the country? I’m traveling in September and was planning to switch my regular debit card (a VISA PREMIER in deferred debit mode) for the deposit guarantee.
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
Hi everyone, is it still possible to travel in Ecuador outside the Amazon region? If so, do you have a reliable agency to recommend? All your recent experiences from the past few months would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much
Hi,
We’re heading to Buenos Aires for 3 days in November and would like to do a guided tour of a few neighborhoods. There are "free" tours, but none in French. Does anyone have a guide to recommend so we can really get to know the city beyond just the architecture?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks









