We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hopefully there are at least 7 or 8 of you at that price... 😅
You can negotiate anything, sure...
But going to Chegaga should cost around 4000 MAD. This guy is clearly trying to take advantage of you without hesitation...
Probably a fake guide...
Cut off the conversation with him... It's obviously a scam... Unless you're a big group with several 4x4s...
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 pm, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and departure the next day to return to M'Hamid by 11 am via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April
The "sacred" oasis... I love it!
I think if this guide finds tourists every couple of days at that price, he must be making a good living!
P.S.: We've been giving you tons of tips from the start, and it seems like you're not taking any of them into account at all...
Enjoy your desert excursion and don't do what I did: set an alarm if you want to admire the stars in the middle of the night. I'm usually a light sleeper, but for once, I slept so deeply that I woke up too late—the sun was almost up. 🤪
Why do you say we don’t take your tips into account at all? That’s absolutely not our intention—quite the opposite, in fact. We actually skipped Merzouga based on this forum’s advice, extended our stay, and even adjusted our trip thanks to all of your suggestions.
It’s possible we might’ve accidentally missed a piece of info—that’s all. Which tips didn’t we follow?
For Phil, here’s the thing—and it might sound silly—but we’d really like to do it with a local Moroccan from the region.
And FYI, the prices we were quoted went up to 500 €.
I thought you were told not to linger in Ouarzazate, and now you're leaving from that airport. Not only do I imagine the flight is more expensive than from Marrakech, but it also forces you to return the car in that city, so there's an extra fee... Gros chats had suggested an itinerary that I think is optimal and doesn’t go through Ouarzazate... You're also burdening yourself with a useless car in Marrakech. Etc...
- We won’t be visiting Ouarzazate—we’ve ruled it out based on your feedback. As I mentioned, we’ll only go there for the return flight. Where did you see that we’d "linger in Ouarzazate"? If I wrote that, it was a mistake.
- The flight was the same price whether we took off again from Ouarzazate, and it saves us 4 to 5 hours of driving.
- The itinerary we’ve put together takes all the advice we’ve received into account.
For Phil, the thing is, and it might seem silly, but we’d like to do it with a local Moroccan from the region
Actually, Phil *is* one of the locals—he’s helping revive the village of Bou Nou by employing people from the area. His "partner" is Moroccan, and he’s worked hard to raise funds to dig a well so the women in the village can live off their farming. He’s also got a farm project to support the villagers’ needs... He’s not some "French guy" trying to make a quick buck in Morocco.
If he organizes your trip (for the time you’re interested), he’ll do it with the *real* people from the village—not the fake guides or touts from the hotels and agencies in the area.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
I saw 500 € per person mentioned on a blog, or maybe I found it via Google Maps—I can’t remember. That seemed huge to me.
Based on your experiences, what’s the normal price?
I contacted Phil and I’m waiting for his reply.
Thanks
Higher than the first price of 380 €?
Personally, I wasn’t shocked by that first price for what was included (4x4 transport, one night, meals, breakfast, camel trek for 4 people). The 500 € one started to feel a bit expensive.
Now, I don’t know what Phil offered you—are the services the same, and where exactly is he suggesting you go?
Some tent "camps" are very close to Mhamid and quite far from the Chegaga dunes, right on the edge of small dunes and kilometers away from the big erg... easier for the organizers to access, but the vibe is completely different.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
+ than 380 yes
For the services, it seems similar—both include a 2-hour 4x4 ride to the camp, meals, breakfast, etc.
On paper, it’s pretty much the same.
So I don’t feel as much like a sitting duck, as the first reactions made me think.
I’ll chat more with Phil to find out exactly what’s included ;)
Well, I’m the first to be surprised, but I don’t doubt Phil’s services are good...
I randomly checked a few blogs offering this kind of service... I was pretty stunned by the prices... You’re right, it stings a bit...
Last year, I took 10 adults on a similar trip... We paid way less per person than what I’ve seen online generally... I didn’t go through an agency, but I didn’t want to hassle with organizing everything, so I let a local buddy handle it—I just kept the aperitif management for myself... Rental of two 4x4s... 2 hours of dune bashing and a nice bivouac under a *khaima* with a great meal... plus a stop at the sacred oasis... He charged 1200 MAD for each 4x4, 200 MAD for the camels per person, and 350 MAD for the half-board night... That worked out to around 70 € per person roughly... There are two of you, right?
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
Why do you say we don’t take your tips into account at all? That’s definitely not our intention—quite the opposite, in fact. We actually skipped Merzouga based on this forum’s advice, extended our stay, and adjusted our trip thanks to everyone’s suggestions.
It’s possible we accidentally missed a piece of info, that’s all... Which tips didn’t we follow?
For Phil, the thing is—and this might sound silly—but we’d like to do it with a local Moroccan from the region.
Just so you know, the rates we were quoted went up to 500 €.
With Phil from Esprit Desert, you can go without worry—he’s like a Moroccan himself, no scams, and he lives with Moroccans just like they do.
les coordonnées de la ferme Touareg chez Hassan sur google map
Oh really? The Tuaregs settled in Morocco? Since when?😕
And they have farms now?! Have they become farmers?🤪
Is all of this really authentic?
https://o-maroc.com/hommes-bleus-merzouga
The tribes south of M’hamid (like in the north) aren’t Tuaregs—they’re Arabs, Hassanis.
Just so you know: Tuaregs live in Algeria, Mali, Niger, and northern Burkina.
Hi there,
I’m in the middle of planning our trip to Morocco—could you tell me what a reasonable price (not a tourist trap) would be for a 4-person excursion (two adults, one teen, one child) to the M'Hamid desert, including a night in a tent, dinner, and breakfast, please?
Thanks so much!
I stayed with Phil in April with my son and did the famous bivouac in the desert.
Here are the rates he sent me and applied. The bivouac was right next to the big dune.
Hi,
For the bivouac at Chegaga:
- 4x4 with driver and fuel: 1400 MAD for the group
- Bivouac with half-board: 600 MAD per person
- 1 hour of camel ride included to see the sunset or sunrise
- Overnight stay at the campsite to keep the vehicles included
We leave around 2 PM from the campsite, about 2.5 hours of off-road driving. Return the next day in late morning.
Yes, I have tents and rooms. 300 MAD for 2.
Best regards,
Phil
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Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
Hi there,
I’m looking for some friendly recommendations for places to stay in Marrakech for 3 nights in June 2026.
In the meantime, have a great day, everyone! Thanks so much in advance.