Review of my trip to Mongolia with guide Hacha
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JU
Hi everyone!

I wanted to share my experience from the trip I had this summer in Mongolia, in case it helps anyone get their bearings—I also relied a lot on forums myself.

We went as a couple with a French-speaking guide, Hacha, for a 17-day trek through the steppes and the Gobi Desert.

The experience was amazing—the landscapes are truly diverse and stunning. We started with a quick visit to Ulaanbaatar, then headed into the steppes for half the trip, including the Orkhon Valley, before moving on to the desert, which isn’t just sand but has incredibly varied scenery.

We traveled with Hacha, who has been a guide for 27 years and knows Mongolia inside out. She was accompanied by her daughter (with our consent). Hacha teaches French the rest of the year and speaks it perfectly. Her kindness and humor were much appreciated, and she’s become a friend. She prepared delicious homemade meals throughout the trip, adapted to European tastes since she’s used to it. We also had a driver who was really friendly and professional.

I injured myself on the way there with a sprained ankle, and Hacha immediately adjusted the pace and some activities to accommodate my injury, as well as booking more comfortable lodgings for the first few nights. She didn’t tell us it cost her extra, and we only found out later—we chose to pay a supplement, but she never asked for anything. Hacha was very fair with money, and her rates seem a bit lower than what we’d found elsewhere. She also tailors the program to the budget we gave her, and we had the option to adjust accommodations to fit our budget.

As for lodging, we stayed in tourist yurt camps (more comfortable with restaurants, showers, etc.), guest yurts, nights with nomadic families, and a few nights in tents. Our most memorable experience was two nights with nomads who welcomed us warmly, even though it was only the second time they’d hosted tourists. They shared their traditions with us, and the location was beautiful—right by a lake.

Hacha also adapted to our last-minute requests. For example, I mentioned wanting to see a shaman, which was tricky since it wasn’t planned in advance (my fault for not bringing it up earlier), but she used her contacts to see if there was a possibility. Unfortunately, no shamans were available, but we spontaneously stopped by the family of a young shaman during one of our trips. She wasn’t there, but we got to hear her parents’ stories and ask questions about the rituals to become a shaman and their experiences. It was a rare and unique moment I won’t forget!

We’ll definitely return to Mongolia as a family to explore less touristy regions (though we weren’t really bothered by tourism), as Hacha offers other off-the-beaten-path itineraries, including one that visits a turquoise lake surrounded by sand dunes—which sounds incredible, according to her.

I highly recommend Mongolia to anyone looking for an authentic trip that pushes you slightly out of your comfort zone while still feeling safe and enjoying breathtakingly diverse landscapes. And I 100% recommend Hacha—she created a personalized trip based on our requests and adapted to our needs and wishes on the spot!
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Hi,

What were the details of the itinerary? How much did you pay? What was included in the price and what wasn’t?
VO VoyageForum Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

This looks like a nice ad for a guide. If this agency wants some publicity, they should contact us directly.

You could create a travel journal instead—members of Voyage Forum who’d love to discover Mongolia would probably enjoy that more. Just so you know, I’ve removed the agency’s and the guide’s contact details.
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JU Juliega ·
For the itinerary, we spent a day in Ulaanbaatar, then Khustai Park (a park with a certain species of wild horses), the Erdene Zuu Monastery, followed by several nights at Terkhiin Lake with a visit to the crater and two nights with nomads. After that, we went to the Tsenkheriin hot springs, then the Orkhon Valley, staying again with nomads. Next, we headed toward the desert with a visit to a monastery whose name I’ve forgotten, then the red cliffs of Bayanzag, the Khongoryn Els dunes, the Yoliin Am gorges, the White Stupa, and the rock formations of Baga Gazriin Chuluu. Finally, on our way back to Ulaanbaatar, we attended a traditional show. That was the itinerary I had requested, and she added a few suggestions.

For the price, everything was included except, of course, the flights, extra souvenirs/snacks, and in our case, the hotel night in Ulaanbaatar because we had booked a hotel for several nights to recover from the flight and asked to exclude it from the trip. Otherwise, accommodations, food, and activities were all included.

The price really depends on what you're looking for and the type of accommodation you want (for example, if you sleep in a tent). The cost varies based on your requests—I’m not sure if I’m allowed to share a price here, so the best thing is to ask the guide you’re interested in for a quote directly, I think :)
JU Juliega ·
Hi,

I’m sorry if my post came across as an ad—it really wasn’t my intention. The guide didn’t ask me to post anything; I just wanted to share my experience because I loved my trip and organized it mostly by reading forums, so I know how helpful reviews can be. I didn’t realize there was a better format for this, and I also didn’t know I couldn’t share contact details—sorry about that.
BT Bteloiv ·
Hi, I’m planning a trip to Mongolia in 2027. I’ve read that agencies offer overnight stays in yurt camps. I’d prefer accommodation closer to the nomadic population. Could you clarify if the itinerary with Hacha includes stops at yurt camps or prioritizes yurts within nomadic families, which is what I’m looking for?

Could you also let me know if the nights are chilly and what the daytime temperatures are like? Thanks
Bernadette
VO VoyageForum Globetrotter ·
No worries. On the forum, the idea is to give as much information as possible and to make members "dream" to inspire them to travel—that’s why travel journals are so popular. We feature them in our monthly newsletter. But for contact details, it’s best to share them via PM if members ask for them.

Thanks for your understanding.
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JU Juliega ·
Hacha generally plans few nights in yurt camp (unless you ask for more), and that's also what we liked about it, and it keeps the trip more affordable because yurt camp nights are expensive. In our trip there was one planned (the night we went to hot springs because they were in the camp), and she added a second one for the first night because of my sprained ankle so I had access to sitting toilets (toilets in Mongolia are generally a hole and some boards). The rest of the nights we had 2 under tent and everything else was with nomads or in a guesthouse. A guesthouse is a family that lives in yurts, often with livestock, but they have one or more yurts that they rent to tourists. They're not necessarily nomads. But it's really in nature, there's no restaurant or other infrastructure, sometimes a shower but not always, they're just a bit more used to welcoming tourists. I find it stays authentic, it's intimate and the family always welcomes you for a drink when you arrive and you have the chance to chat. But they don't cook, there are no other services, they just lend the yurt and sometimes share a bit of their daily life or offer activities like horseback rides for example. So it's very different from yurt camps where you only have tourists and which aren't very authentic. If you really want to sleep with nomads there are nights planned but you can surely ask Hacha for more. We really loved sleeping with the nomads anyway, we were welcomed very well and we even got to attend a special day for them with their traditions it was very interesting. For the climate it depends on the months but in summer the weather is changeable, when there's sun it's strong and when there isn't it can get cool quickly so you need to prepare clothes for all temperatures. During the day it's pleasant, it was 15-20 degrees in the steppes I'd say sometimes more, 20-25 in the desert or a bit more. At night temperatures drop, in the desert it stays pleasant if you dress well, but in the desert and especially in the Orkhon Valley which is at higher altitude we were cold some nights. Yurts aren't very well insulated so you have to make a fire in the stove and sleep nearby, it's sometimes a bit rough because the fire raises the temperature and it gets very hot and you get woken by the cold when the fire goes out if you don't feed it regularly. But preparing warm clothes and a good sleeping bag is doable, and it's part of the Mongolia experience :)
PA Papatte88 Regular ·
Hi Julie, Thanks for all that info. What dates were you there? We're going this summer during the first two weeks of August and we're doing a loop: Gobi / Arkhangay / Orkhon Valley. We've mainly chosen to stay in ger camps. It's definitely more expensive than family-hosted gers, but we wanted a minimum of comfort, especially for facilities. We'll also spend some nights with nomadic families (3), but we'll also stay in a hotel in Karakorum and a guest house in Tsetserleg. It's our first time in Mongolia and I didn't dare stay mainly in family-hosted gers because I was worried about getting overwhelmed at some point. It's never easy to know what's the right choice. But if we have any regrets, it'll be a good excuse to come back 😏
JU Juliega ·
Hi there,

I’m sure you’ll love your itinerary, and the accommodation won’t change the fact that you’ll enjoy Mongolia’s stunning landscapes! Plus, the 3 nights with the nomads will already give you a glimpse of the culture and traditions :)

It’s true that staying with locals or in guesthouses isn’t always comfortable—you have to be prepared for that. For us, that’s exactly what we were looking for: stepping out of our comfort zone, breaking routines, being in nature, and seeing how we’d react to living with less… and we got what we wanted because it *was* disorienting at times. The sanitation was definitely tricky, and that’s why the yurt camps were a relief for toilets. Showers were also a challenge, but we found solutions—wiping down with wet wipes and making a few shower stops in towns. The beds were often uncomfortable, but we got used to them. Actually, the hardest part was the first few nights when everything felt so unfamiliar, and we had to adjust to the lack of comfort. But after that, we adapted quickly, and we even grew to like it. We created a new routine, enjoyed not always having electricity, unplugged from our phones, and lived more in tune with nature—finding satisfaction in less. We’d booked a pretty luxurious hotel in Ulaanbaatar for our last night before flying home, and we thought we’d be thrilled to get that comfort back. But in the end, it made us realize we didn’t really need all that, and that feeling stuck with us for a while after returning. That said, it’s just a different style of travel, and either way, I think you’ll be in for a real change of scenery! We left at the end of August.
BT Bteloiv ·
Hi, I really appreciate all these details—so thorough and helpful. This way of traveling really suits me!
Bernadette
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Thanks for your reply about the itinerary and what was included or not. However, I’m still missing the info on the total price paid to the agency (for 2 if sharing a room, or per person otherwise).

I don’t know if I’m allowed to share a price here

There doesn’t seem to be any rule against talking about money on the forum since we do it all the time (cost of a flight ticket, a room, a taxi ride, a visit, etc.).
JU Juliega ·
We paid 1800 euros per person (there were 2 of us), but I think the price is scaled based on the number of people. Each time, we had a private yurt just for the two of us. Hacha had removed the hotel in Ulaanbaatar from our package since we’d booked one on our own, so that’s something to add to the cost. But again, this was a price calculated based on what we’d requested—I imagine it varies depending on the level of comfort you’re looking for, like the number of nights in a tent, etc. I think she’s posted these rates on her website.
PE Perju Globetrotter ·
Hi there, Mongolia is starting to resemble Morocco. A few years ago, travelers from Europe were still something of a novelty... but in a short time, I’ve noticed a shift in attitude among young Mongolians (they’d come milling around our bivouac, hoping to scavenge something... just like Moroccan kids who "harass" tourists for candy or dirhams). This is definitely due to the behavior of certain "travelers" who act like those who spoiled young Moroccans by handing out sweets and dirhams, often tossed out of 4x4 windows... The bottom line is that Mongolia—and some Mongolians—are starting to "cash in" on the growing interest in the destination... so prices are skyrocketing. For info, a guide with their 4x4, including gas, is "normally" around 100 € per day (regardless of the number of people). Meals in a village restaurant run about 4–5 € per person. With nomads, it’s usually around 15 € per person for the night and meals. In tourist yurt camps, prices vary depending on the services and location... they can be huge for the country, but around 50 € is still reasonable for one night, dinner, and breakfast per person. So, normally, for the two of you over roughly 15 days of travel (in UB, it was a more "upscale" hotel), you’d pay 15 × 100 € for the guide + 4x4, and let’s say 15 × 30 € for nights and evening meals... adding midday meals at about 5 € per person, so 150 € over 15 days for two... that brings the total to 2,100 € for the whole trip. And I’ve only accounted for restaurants and nomad yurts... whereas you also camped, so with minimal expenses... 1,800 € × 2... 3,600 €... well... that’s a pretty big rip-off!
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
JU Juliega ·
I can see why it might seem expensive, but calling it a scam feels like a real stretch.

First, we didn’t just have a driver-guide—we had a driver with his 4x4, plus Hacha, who translated everything, acted as our guide, organized the whole trip, and cooked for us every day. And by cooking, I mean balanced meals with vegetables and meat at every meal (and veggies are pricey in Mongolia). She literally spent hours cooking twice a day, making sure we tried local specialties while adapting Mongolian food to our tastes. She even bought more expensive meat so we weren’t stuck eating just mutton. She made traditional dishes that took hours to prepare over a wood fire. At every lunch outdoors, she set up a tent for shade, along with tables and chairs. When we saw other driver-guides with tourists, they were just handing out eggs or pre-made meals every day. The quality wasn’t even close.

Second, the trip was personalized—it took a lot of upfront work on her part, and she adapted to us the whole way. That kind of effort costs money. It wasn’t some cookie-cutter tour.

As for nights in tents, there were only two. And even that took organization since she handled all the gear—we didn’t have to bring anything.

Oh, and you didn’t factor in the activities in your budget.

Anyway, I guess we just don’t see it the same way when it comes to scams. I found her incredibly dedicated and attentive, and I think that deserves fair pay. From talking to her during the trip, she makes very little profit on a two-person tour. So if you want to underpay the people who provide these services, that’s your choice—not ours.

As for kids, we weren’t bothered by them at all and barely saw any, unlike in Morocco, where it’s way more common.
PE Perju Globetrotter ·
Hold on, we're not talking about the same thing anymore... In your first post, you mentioned a trip with quite a few nights in camps, with nomads, in guesthouses, etc., and now you're saying the guide cooked lunch and dinner for you and spent a lot of time doing it... (so the midday stops must have been pretty long, right? 😉 ) Usually, meals in camps, with nomads, or in guesthouses are provided by them... so was she cooking all over again? In the end, it's not very clear how the services were organized, so it's hard to comment... The "young people" causing problems are mostly near the Russian border at Tashanta, which is hundreds of kilometers from the route you took. Just to clarify, the trip you did doesn’t require any prep beforehand—it’s a classic Mongolia itinerary. The only possible constraint could be meal preferences, since vegetables and fruits are usually hard to find, and meat can be tough once you leave UB. One more thing—I have no issue paying for work... if it’s deserved.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
PE Perju Globetrotter ·
Just a quick note. The average monthly salary in Mongolia is between 300 and 400 € gross. With 1800 x 2... 3600 € for roughly 17 days... it’s hard to say she’s not making a good deal out of it. 😏
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
JU Juliega ·
We must not have the same idea of what's fair then.

I don’t see what you find contradictory in my post. I’ve always talked about a 17-day trip: 2 days in a yurt camp (where, by the way, she had to pay for our yurt *and* the driver’s, which also cuts into her margin), 2 days in a tent, and the rest with locals or in a guesthouse. Each time, we stayed in a yurt rented by a family, but Hacha was the one cooking. Except when nomads invited us to share a festive meal with them. I don’t know how it usually works, and I’m not talking about all trips—I’m just sharing my experience.

At lunchtime, we’d always stop in a beautiful spot in nature, chosen for the meal (by a river, lake, mountain, volcano, etc.), and she’d set everything up to make it comfortable. She’d prepare a quick but always well-thought-out and balanced meal. It gave us a real break, a chance to take a short walk, and it was great to get off the road in such a stunning place. In the evening, we’d arrive at the next accommodation around 4:30–5:00 PM, and she’d cook until 7:00 PM—a more elaborate meal. So yes, it takes time; I’m not exaggerating. We never ate the same thing twice.

Also, yes, the itinerary was classic, but *I* was the one who asked for those specific places. She also offered more original routes, as I mentioned. Still, she adapted the trip to my personalized requests. I know she organizes her travels in advance, like seeking out nomads who aren’t used to tourists to make the experience more authentic. That *does* take work upfront.

I don’t quite get the point of your message—it feels like you’re comparing this to a completely different type of trip. Of course, it’s cheaper to travel with just a driver-guide, but they don’t speak French and sometimes not even English. Having Hacha with us was incredibly enriching—she helped us truly interact with Mongolians as our interpreter. She knows so much about her country and was eager to share it with us all day. We’re really happy we had a guide from morning to night, and for us, it was absolutely worth the price. Everyone has different travel preferences, but I don’t see the point in discrediting someone’s work just because it doesn’t match yours.
PE Perju Globetrotter ·
I’m not at all discrediting your trip or how it went. Take a look at my last post—even if this "guide" did everything possible to give you amazing experiences... The price of her services is very high compared to what’s usually offered. Just to remind you, the average monthly salary in this country is between 300 € and 400 €. So, for ten times that amount in half the time... it’d be a shame if she didn’t go the extra mile for her clients. Really happy you had a great trip, I’m just sharing info about the rates, which are way above the standard. Maybe Meridiana (a Swiss woman... )—if she happens to read this—knowing the country and its "guides" so well, can shed some light on things...
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
JU Juliega ·
Using the average salary of the entire Mongolian population doesn't seem relevant—she lives in Ulaanbaatar, and given the cost of rent, I truly hope she earns more than 300-400 euros.

To be sure of what I'm saying, I looked up prices from other agencies online, and the rates offered by Hacha are actually lower than what I found for a trip with a driver + French-speaking guide. So I really don’t understand why she’s being singled out and accused of scamming. If that’s the case, then all tourist trips are scams—and that’s a whole other discussion. But accusing her of scamming could harm her work, especially when you seem to lack information about the base rates for this type of trip with these services.

Anyway, I’ll stop responding to your messages since it doesn’t seem to lead anywhere, and I’d rather save my energy for people who actually want information about my trip! :)
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Hi there, Do you travel in Mongolia (or elsewhere) with an agency like Juliega here, or do you manage on your own?
PE Perju Globetrotter ·
Hello, I travel with my own vehicle, without a guide, planning the route as best I can in the months leading up to the trip and adapting it on the spot, depending on the conditions of the tracks used and the mood of the moment. My 4x4 is equipped to be self-sufficient, and I sleep in a roof tent. For Mongolia, I’ve always tried to "find" lost or no-longer-used tracks (discovered on old Russian military maps) to create slightly more "adventurous" routes. However, except for certain regions where you can drive for days without encountering a "village," you generally pass through inhabited areas where it’s possible to eat and do some shopping (though there’s little choice in fresh produce, vegetables, or fruit—meat is available sometimes, usually straight out of a more or less efficient freezer...). There are a few hotels in the larger towns or yurt camps near tourist sites. These camps can range from basic to more sophisticated—and significantly more expensive. Generally, you can expect to pay around 4/5 € for a meal in small village restaurants. Yurt camp prices can vary widely—sometimes tripling or more—depending on the establishment’s standard. For the higher-end ones, think luxury yurts with private bathrooms and excellent dining. The price of a room in a standard small-town hotel used to hover around 40/50 € (though prices have been rising quickly...). On the other hand, I paid 200 € for a room in Ulaanbaatar (UB) at a rather upscale hotel.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
TI Tiger3 Veteran ·
Hurry up and get your visa, 😉 My Toy is ready. And it's true—the entry via Tashanta is still full of touts pushing their guest houses and other kids who can be a bit too pushy. I noticed that back in 2015.
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PA Papatte88 Regular ·
Hi everyone, Our trip to Mongolia is coming up... in a month, we'll be there. We have a drone, a first-generation Mavic Pro, and we'd like to fly it. Since it weighs over 250g, I read that we need to register it on Welcome to MCAA Portal and pay 30,000 MNT. The problem is, the site is only in Mongolian, and I have no idea where to register the drone and pay the 30,000 MNT. Our goal is to be compliant and, most importantly, to avoid any issues at the airport when bringing our drone in or out. We’ll be arriving by plane at UBN. Thanks in advance for your help.
TI Tiger3 Veteran ·
Hey fellow travelers, What dates will you be there? If the fuel restrictions in Russia don’t hold me back too much, I’m planning to enter in early August. Are you renting a 4x4?
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PA Papatte88 Regular ·
We’ll be there from July 30 to August 16. No, no 4x4 rental: we’ll be self-sufficient in UB, then with an agency for the road trip part.

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