Small hostels in Morocco: what's become of them?
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HA
On this forum, we’ve all shared our favorite spots. Today, I’m wondering what’s happening with those small hostels and how they’re coping with the crisis. I’m thinking especially of Hussein, the owner of the guesthouse in Ijoukak; Majhid from L’Arganier in Tafraout; the family running Escale Rando in Taliouine; and so many others. Through hard work, they’d created welcoming hostels where it was great to stop for a few days. Has anyone heard from them lately? Thanks in advance for your replies—the list isn’t exhaustive, there are plenty more.
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AJ Ajft Veteran ·
Has anyone heard any updates? Thanks in advance for your replies—the list isn’t exhaustive, there are plenty more.

Hi there, From my little corner of the world and its four guesthouses. Apart from one that may have (I really stress the *may*) been shut down for two years by an administrative decision (for illegally hosting tourists during lockdown), the others are family-run places with low overheads, just waiting out the storm and trying to take advantage of public aid. The "guesthouse"—a recent and spreading trend—is really just a side income for the family.
ME Mezgarne Globetrotter ·
I agree.

They close, send staff home, and wait for better days.

It’s mainly the businesses set up by Europeans who borrowed from banks that are going to suffer.

That doesn’t mean every day will be smooth sailing, though...
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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
I wasn’t talking about guesthouses—VF changed the title, which shifts the meaning. I mentioned three specific cases I’d love updates on.
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
I’ve been thinking about all those great places too—I know a ton of them. Of course, maybe they no longer have or never had credit for those family-run spots, but it means lost income, jobs cut, and the whole local economy taking a hit.

Honestly, I couldn’t care less about French investments—except when it comes to the jobs and economic life around them.
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ME Mezgarne Globetrotter ·
I’ll admit that the fate of French investments doesn’t matter much to me, except for the jobs and economic life around them.

Europeans (it’s not just the French) aren’t all wealthy. There are plenty of people who’ve put their life savings into their Moroccan project. Just because they’re not Moroccan doesn’t mean they have fewer struggles than anyone else.
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I figured. But I have less empathy... It’s kinda stupid, I know. Like I’d have less empathy for an American chef and their restaurant in Paris. My heart goes out to the neighborhood spots.
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CA Calolu13 Regular ·
Do you always respect LOCAL in the countries you visit????

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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
Like you, my first thought is for the Moroccan families who’ll be left with hypothetical aid and no idea what they can put in place afterward—if there even *is* an afterward. Foreigners who’ve invested at least have solid social protection in France, and that’s not nothing. No time to elaborate—terrible connection here in Creuse.
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AJ Ajft Veteran ·
connexion merdique en Creuse .

Oh man, the developing world... Ugh...
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
connexion merdique en Creuse .

Oh man, the Third World... Ugh...

You often get better connections in the Moroccan boonies than in ours 😉
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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
Yeah, but dinner tonight in a village of about 200 people—there was a table next to us with some very elderly folks passionately discussing Spinoza and Heidegger while enjoying Limousin beef. Four nationalities, conversations in all sorts of languages, even Latin 😉 That’s the Creuse for you too.
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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
I’m sure I’ve never had the same problems in Morocco as I did in Lozère, Ardèche, or now in Creuse. For SFR, I’m in a dead zone and the guesthouse’s Wi-Fi is painfully slow, but oh well.
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AJ Ajft Veteran ·
Yeah, but dinner tonight in a village of about 200 people. A table next to us had some very elderly folks passionately discussing Spinoza and Heidegger while enjoying Limousin beef. Four nationalities, conversations in all sorts of languages, even Latin ;) That’s the Creuse for you.

No way some youngsters would be chatting about Spinoza like that. Who even is this guy? Did you guys swap COVID stories too?
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Spinoza and Heidegger, you're lucky. In 13 years in Saône-et-Loire, that never happened to me 😉
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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
With conversations in English, German, French, and even Latin. Fascinating, those elderly gentlemen. When you dig into the history of Creuse, you uncover real gems.
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
So good

So on this point, I’m really lucky.
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AJ Ajft Veteran ·
Fascinating, those old gentlemen.

Thanks, thanks...

Spinoza and Heidegger—you’re lucky! In 13 years in Saône-et-Loire, I’ve never come across that 😉

It’s pretty normal. I don’t think either of them ever set foot in that department. Though... Heidegger, maybe... Where was he between ’34 and ’45?
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
. Where was he between 33 and 45?

In a rather inglorious movement, isn't it...😕 Nazi and philosopher—let’s get back to our Moroccan hostels.
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ME Mezgarne Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I figured. But I have less empathy... It’s a bit shitty, I know. Like I’d have less empathy for an American chef and his restaurant in Paris. My heart goes to the neighborhood spot.

Yeah, sorry—it’s actually a bit, no, really shitty. It’s full of prejudices about people, their wealth based on nationality, what drives them to move countries, etc. Basically, "stay home and don’t even think about living elsewhere, because if you end up dealing with the same crap as locals, tough luck." Otherwise, in the U.S. too, plenty of people lose everything, and I feel more for them than for Moroccans because there aren’t the same solidarity mechanisms.

Foreigners who’ve invested have at least good social protection in France, and that’s not nothing

Oh really? That’s great—I have good social protection in France and didn’t even know it... 😎😎 I’d love it if, despite your crappy connection, you could explain how I can benefit from it in Morocco. I left France 20 years ago, lived in another country before moving here, so I didn’t buy back my CFE coverage, and I’m not retired... So unless I go back to France to live on welfare, I don’t see how. My life is here, not in France.

Here’s a friend who just got laid off—so in six months, she loses her social protection and coverage for her cancer (long-term illness). She’s closing everything, leaving all the friends she’s made here (she’s been here 17 years) and moving back to emergency housing in France to benefit from that "great" social protection with a months-long waiting period?

"Investing in Morocco" isn’t always about being a resident in France and commuting every three months.
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Yes, for sure, those are preconceptions. I shouldn’t lump everyone together. I think, like a lot of people, that coming from France and being able to go back quickly—with the benefits of French nationality and social protection—we’re less vulnerable than the Moroccans we meet in hotel structures. Even if some have bet everything on Morocco. That’s a choice, a life in-between, of course, but also two different social protections that, up to now, can’t be compared. The risk/reward balance seemed to tip in their favor. They chose. Moroccans, on the other hand, didn’t have a choice. That’s the core of what I feel. Now, I don’t wish anyone harm—let’s be clear about that.
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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
You know perfectly well I was talking about those who live in France and invest in Morocco. I'm surprised you could doubt that. As for your friend who's covered in France for her chronic illness through RSA without any issues— that's a special case.
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ME Mezgarne Globetrotter ·
You know very well I was talking about those who live in France and invest in Morocco. I’m surprised you could doubt that.

I was talking about people who live in Morocco, so the misunderstanding was reinforced by Cambrousse’s comment about Americans opening a restaurant in France :D

About your friend being covered in France for her long-term illness through RSA without any problem. That’s a special case.

Which would mean she’d have to leave a life she’s built for a very long time in Morocco to become a resident in France again. I don’t think she’d want that. Of course, it’s one case among hundreds... I just wanted to point out that being a European expat in Morocco doesn’t automatically make people well-off. And paradoxically, since they don’t benefit from family support, they can end up in pretty tough situations.

Have a good evening :)
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ME Mezgarne Globetrotter ·
Like many people, I tell myself that coming from France and being able to return quickly, with the benefit of my nationality and social protection, we’re less vulnerable than the Moroccans we meet in hotel structures.

For a number of people I know here who’ve built lives for a long time, it wouldn’t be that quick, and above all, it would be a real uprooting, comparable to exile.
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HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
It’s clear there was a big misunderstanding, Marie Aude—I get it now.

Personally, even with a good income, I wouldn’t consider moving to Morocco because I know that if there’s a health issue, you need social coverage, which is expensive, plus everything else.

Not much time, but I understand your answer better now.

Cheers
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IB IBsiglo Regular ·
Hi there,

We stopped in Amln for two days at the hostel of the same name. It was run by a guy named Mjid. The service there was impeccable. I’d love to know what became of those folks too. Making the trip again via Ait Baha would be amazing!

Thanks. I have two photos of the hostel.
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Of course, for those people, yes, absolutely. I wasn’t thinking of them when I said what I explained above.
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Do you always respect LOCAL in the countries you visit?

....

Always
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