Trajet Louxor - El Quseir (mer Rouge) en bus?
by Bergot
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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J'ai lu dans le guide du routard qu'on pouvait aller directement de Louxor à EL Quoseir en bus(route au nord de Louxor pendant 45 mn puis route directe à l'est), mais que dans le sens inverse (El Quoseir Louxor ), il fallait faire un détour par Safaga , pour les étrangers , ce qui rallonge l'itinéraire .Quelqu'un l'a t'il fait dans un sens ou dans l'autre, pour que je sache si l'information du routard est exacte?De plus , si vous êtes allés à El Quoseir , comment avez vous trouvé cette station (trop grand ? bétonné? agréable pour s'y baigner ?.... Merci d'avance pour des réponses
J'ai lu dans le guide du routard qu'on pouvait aller directement de Louxor à EL Quoseir en bus(route au nord de Louxor pendant 45 mn puis route directe à l'est), mais que dans le sens inverse (El Quoseir Louxor ), il fallait faire un détour par Safaga , pour les étrangers , ce qui rallonge l'itinéraire .Quelqu'un l'a t'il fait dans un sens ou dans l'autre, pour que je sache si l'information du routard est exacte?De plus , si vous êtes allés à El Quoseir , comment avez vous trouvé cette station (trop grand ? bétonné? agréable pour s'y baigner ?.... Merci d'avance pour des réponses
bonjour Jean Luc,
la route à prendre pour aller ou venir vers/de Qoseir ne dépend pas du sens du chemin mais du mode de transport que vous compter utiliser !
je m'explique : si vous voyagez ( en tant qu'étranger) dans un taxi ou une voiture privative (que vous conduisez ou avec un chauffeur) un minibus charterisé pour vous ou meme un bus touristique mais rempli QUE d'étrangers ... vous aurez OBLIGATION de prendre la route de louxor à QOSEIR en passant par l'AXE principal Et supervisé par la police locale = route LXR / QUENA / SAFAGA /QOSEIR .. a savoir aussi que les étrangers en transport " privatifs" sur cet axe n'ont pas le droit de circuler sur cette route en dehors de la journée = lever soleil/ coucher de soleil .. la nuit pour y passer il faut payer un convoi militaire pour vous escorter .
si vous voyagez dans les bus locaux avec les egyptiens ( que ce soit des grands bus ou des minibus) a partir du moment où le ticket de bus vous est vendu a la station de bus, vous pouvez monter dans le bus, prendre la route achettée et circuler à l'horaire et dans le sens qui vous convient et que vous avez achetté le billet !
pour tous les bus locaux, il y a des quota de billets pour les étrangers et effectivement certains axes sont refusés à la vente aux étrangers ( principalement la moyenne egypte et le nord sinai)
si par hasard les evenement locaux interdisent un axe aux étrangers, la vente du billet de bus vous sera de toute facon refusée (dans un sens comme dans l'autre) dés votre demande .... mais pour le moment, je n'ai pas entendu d'interdiction spécifique dans le sud du pays pour les bus aux étrangers si jamais cela changeait ; vous devriez alors effectivement prendre le bus local qui fait aussi le tour en passant par safaga et changer de bus pour aller à qoseir ....
mais le risque et le problème d'interdiction reste le meme dans un sens comme dans l'autre ! ...et selon les evenements ... mais aussi a la tete du client, et selon l'humeur du vendeur et meme du chauffeur ... (car parfois ils preferent refuser de vous prendre que risquer de se faire "emmerder" par les controles de police en chemin en vous ayant dans le bus ... !)
NB/ ma dernière couch surfeuse s'est vue bloquée dans le bus local entre dahab et le caire pour plus de 3 heures à un controle policier proche de SSH qui voulait faire descendre tous les étrangers du bus soit disant qu'ils ne pouvaient circuler la nuit ! il a falu la négo avec l'aide d'un egyptien dans le bus qui a du exiger l'intervention du haut gradé de la police touristique de SSH pour les laisser continuer leur chemin et empecher surtout le chauffeur de les débarquer et les laisser au controle sur le bord de la route en pleine nuit alors qu'ils avaient payés leur billet ....
autant dire que le chauffeur les a maudit tout le long du reste de la route car s'est mis du coup tres en retard pour rien en fait ! juste de l'exces de zèle d'un controle policier en chemin !
bonjour Jean Luc,
la route à prendre pour aller ou venir vers/de Qoseir ne dépend pas du sens du chemin mais du mode de transport que vous compter utiliser !
je m'explique : si vous voyagez ( en tant qu'étranger) dans un taxi ou une voiture privative (que vous conduisez ou avec un chauffeur) un minibus charterisé pour vous ou meme un bus touristique mais rempli QUE d'étrangers ... vous aurez OBLIGATION de prendre la route de louxor à QOSEIR en passant par l'AXE principal Et supervisé par la police locale = route LXR / QUENA / SAFAGA /QOSEIR .. a savoir aussi que les étrangers en transport " privatifs" sur cet axe n'ont pas le droit de circuler sur cette route en dehors de la journée = lever soleil/ coucher de soleil .. la nuit pour y passer il faut payer un convoi militaire pour vous escorter .
si vous voyagez dans les bus locaux avec les egyptiens ( que ce soit des grands bus ou des minibus) a partir du moment où le ticket de bus vous est vendu a la station de bus, vous pouvez monter dans le bus, prendre la route achettée et circuler à l'horaire et dans le sens qui vous convient et que vous avez achetté le billet !
pour tous les bus locaux, il y a des quota de billets pour les étrangers et effectivement certains axes sont refusés à la vente aux étrangers ( principalement la moyenne egypte et le nord sinai)
si par hasard les evenement locaux interdisent un axe aux étrangers, la vente du billet de bus vous sera de toute facon refusée (dans un sens comme dans l'autre) dés votre demande .... mais pour le moment, je n'ai pas entendu d'interdiction spécifique dans le sud du pays pour les bus aux étrangers si jamais cela changeait ; vous devriez alors effectivement prendre le bus local qui fait aussi le tour en passant par safaga et changer de bus pour aller à qoseir ....
mais le risque et le problème d'interdiction reste le meme dans un sens comme dans l'autre ! ...et selon les evenements ... mais aussi a la tete du client, et selon l'humeur du vendeur et meme du chauffeur ... (car parfois ils preferent refuser de vous prendre que risquer de se faire "emmerder" par les controles de police en chemin en vous ayant dans le bus ... !)
NB/ ma dernière couch surfeuse s'est vue bloquée dans le bus local entre dahab et le caire pour plus de 3 heures à un controle policier proche de SSH qui voulait faire descendre tous les étrangers du bus soit disant qu'ils ne pouvaient circuler la nuit ! il a falu la négo avec l'aide d'un egyptien dans le bus qui a du exiger l'intervention du haut gradé de la police touristique de SSH pour les laisser continuer leur chemin et empecher surtout le chauffeur de les débarquer et les laisser au controle sur le bord de la route en pleine nuit alors qu'ils avaient payés leur billet ....
autant dire que le chauffeur les a maudit tout le long du reste de la route car s'est mis du coup tres en retard pour rien en fait ! juste de l'exces de zèle d'un controle policier en chemin !
Katty
Merci pour tous ces détails...
Pensez-vous que cela soit toujours le cas ?
Auriez-vous une bonne adresse "routard" à El Quseir SVP ? Je ne trouve AUCUNE INFOS sur cette ville sur internet ! Peut-être devrais-je acheter le routard ! Merci dav ;-)
Auriez-vous une bonne adresse "routard" à El Quseir SVP ? Je ne trouve AUCUNE INFOS sur cette ville sur internet ! Peut-être devrais-je acheter le routard ! Merci dav ;-)
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a ma connaissance,
pas de changement de règles depuis qq temps !
a ma connaissance, pas d'hotel routard dans la ville de Quoseir ! les hotels dans les alentours étant des complexes hoteliers de 4 ou 5 étoiles ... par contre, parfois bonne surprise de prix plutot bas, car tout et plutot vide !!
sinon, reste a finir votre route vers safaga ou hurgada pour trouver qq chose de plus "routard"
a ma connaissance, pas d'hotel routard dans la ville de Quoseir ! les hotels dans les alentours étant des complexes hoteliers de 4 ou 5 étoiles ... par contre, parfois bonne surprise de prix plutot bas, car tout et plutot vide !!
sinon, reste a finir votre route vers safaga ou hurgada pour trouver qq chose de plus "routard"
Katty
Meri Kattty avec 3 T ;-)
Est-ce que SaFaga est une ville sympat , ou un mini Hurgada pômé dans le désert ?
Serait-ce mieux de rester à Hurgada pour 3 jours ?
Une bonne adresse ? MERCI DAV 🙂
Une bonne adresse ? MERCI DAV 🙂
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salut anjo,
tout dépend ce que vous recherchez , safaga est plutot une petite ville typique egyptienne, mais perdue au milieu du désert ....
hurgada une usine a touriste avec des grand hotels et des centres commerciaux ... mais bien plus d'infrastructure pour le tourisme de tout niveau et budget ...
apres, le choix sera aussi variable de vos atentes ; vous voulez faire quoi ? buller sur un transat ? faire du shopping ? plonger ? vous reposer ? rencontrer des gens ?....
tout dépend ce que vous recherchez , safaga est plutot une petite ville typique egyptienne, mais perdue au milieu du désert ....
hurgada une usine a touriste avec des grand hotels et des centres commerciaux ... mais bien plus d'infrastructure pour le tourisme de tout niveau et budget ...
apres, le choix sera aussi variable de vos atentes ; vous voulez faire quoi ? buller sur un transat ? faire du shopping ? plonger ? vous reposer ? rencontrer des gens ?....
Katty
Hello Kattty
Bonne question ! Pour les 4 jours qu'il me restera, je souhaiterais me trouver dans un coin sympat avec une âme...
Mais j'ai bien compris que les "vrais" villages égyptien le long de cette côte sont rares... pour ne pas dire inexistants !!!
Je n'ai pas du tout envie de me retrouver dans un complexe hôtelier loin de tout... n'aimerais pas non plus me retrouver la seule nana dans un bled fantôme !
Si Hurgada avait quelques souks traditionnels avec une ambiance cool......?
Du coup j'hésite carrément à retourner sur mes pas c'est à dire Louxor ou Assouan...
........
LES VOLS INTERNES SONT-ILS CHERS depuis Marsa Alam ou Hurgada ?
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bonsoir,
les vols interne allant de où à où ??
marsa allam ne voit pas beaucoup de vol domestique, un ou 2 par semaine depuis le caire de hurgada, tu peux aller a SSH ou au caire tous les jours
sinon pour rester a hurgada, au centre ville ancien, oui, il y a otut de meme de la vie et des gens locaux et pas juste des touristes ... mais bien sur toute l'industrie de la ville tourne sur le tourisme et rien d'autre ... comme quasi toutes les villes de la cote de la mer rouge !
pour 3 ou 4 jours, si tu veux plonger, pour moi le pied total est d'aller loin de toute a marsa allam ou tu as encore le paradis sur terre , les sites sous marins vierges et pas trop de monde autour de toi !! juste de quoi totalement déconnecter !!
les vols interne allant de où à où ??
marsa allam ne voit pas beaucoup de vol domestique, un ou 2 par semaine depuis le caire de hurgada, tu peux aller a SSH ou au caire tous les jours
sinon pour rester a hurgada, au centre ville ancien, oui, il y a otut de meme de la vie et des gens locaux et pas juste des touristes ... mais bien sur toute l'industrie de la ville tourne sur le tourisme et rien d'autre ... comme quasi toutes les villes de la cote de la mer rouge !
pour 3 ou 4 jours, si tu veux plonger, pour moi le pied total est d'aller loin de toute a marsa allam ou tu as encore le paradis sur terre , les sites sous marins vierges et pas trop de monde autour de toi !! juste de quoi totalement déconnecter !!
Katty
pas d'hotel routard dans la ville de Quoseir !
Ah ! Kattty ... tu n'avais pas encore tout découvert 😉 il existait (existe ?) en 2006 un hotel, peut-être pas tout à fait "routard", mais pas 4 ou 5* ... et les prix qui vont avec - problème, je ne me rappelle pas le nom 😊 - il s'agissait d'une ancienne maison Turque avec vue sur la mer, la façade est sur la corniche, cette demeure était complètement restaurée, mais la salle de bain, était commune, pour toutes les chambres - petite restauration, il y avait même de la bière "Stella" ... 😛, on mangeait dehors - si je n'ai pas le nom, j'ai des photos 😎 ... de l'hotel et de la plage
si je peux apporter mon expérience, cette année là j'avais quitté ma famille à Sohag, et sous escorte obligée (convoi pour Louxor), j'avais rejoint l’embranchement pour aller à Al-Koseir, les militaires étaient au courant, et m'ont laissé partir à Nagaa El-Shaikh Abou Azouz, ayant vue au loin, que la route (Al-Koseir/Qena) était gardée par des militaires, j'ai coupé par la ville, et contourné, ce poste de controle ce fut ± 180km ... qui furent longs ... route déserte, de chez déserte ... pas un chat, ni même un chameau ... 😛 environnement propice à embuscade, univers minéral, et montagneux à souhait, le tout très joli au demeurant lorsque je suis arrivé (avec soulagement) à Al Koseir, les militaires qui avaient aussi de ce coté, un poste de controle, n'en revenaient pas que j'avais fait cette route, car interdite, SURTOUT aux étrangers ... voilà ... 🙂
Ah ! Kattty ... tu n'avais pas encore tout découvert 😉 il existait (existe ?) en 2006 un hotel, peut-être pas tout à fait "routard", mais pas 4 ou 5* ... et les prix qui vont avec - problème, je ne me rappelle pas le nom 😊 - il s'agissait d'une ancienne maison Turque avec vue sur la mer, la façade est sur la corniche, cette demeure était complètement restaurée, mais la salle de bain, était commune, pour toutes les chambres - petite restauration, il y avait même de la bière "Stella" ... 😛, on mangeait dehors - si je n'ai pas le nom, j'ai des photos 😎 ... de l'hotel et de la plage
si je peux apporter mon expérience, cette année là j'avais quitté ma famille à Sohag, et sous escorte obligée (convoi pour Louxor), j'avais rejoint l’embranchement pour aller à Al-Koseir, les militaires étaient au courant, et m'ont laissé partir à Nagaa El-Shaikh Abou Azouz, ayant vue au loin, que la route (Al-Koseir/Qena) était gardée par des militaires, j'ai coupé par la ville, et contourné, ce poste de controle ce fut ± 180km ... qui furent longs ... route déserte, de chez déserte ... pas un chat, ni même un chameau ... 😛 environnement propice à embuscade, univers minéral, et montagneux à souhait, le tout très joli au demeurant lorsque je suis arrivé (avec soulagement) à Al Koseir, les militaires qui avaient aussi de ce coté, un poste de controle, n'en revenaient pas que j'avais fait cette route, car interdite, SURTOUT aux étrangers ... voilà ... 🙂
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Dom
Dom
Merci bcp pour tes conseils ;-)
Comment est la ville de Marsa Alam ???
Quelqu'un est-il déjà allé au "Le Mirage Moon Resort Marsa Alam" ??? Il parait d'un excellent rapport qualité-prix !
Quelqu'un est-il déjà allé au "Le Mirage Moon Resort Marsa Alam" ??? Il parait d'un excellent rapport qualité-prix !
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Merci pour ces belles photos , surtout la panoramique * wouaou !
( Chrome bug...il faut réactualiser la page à chaque vision...)
Ce petit hôtel se trouve donc à Marsa Alam ? - ou Sohag ??
Ce petit hôtel se trouve donc à Marsa Alam ? - ou Sohag ??
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salut anjo
le petit hotel proposé par Dom se situe a Quoseir ! mais pas certaine que depuis 2006 il continue à servir de la biere ..surtout avec la dernière ambiance supra religieuse actuelle ! et puis une petite plage publique dans la ville, pas certaine que ce soit le meilleur endroit pour une fille occidentale seule se mettre en maillot sans risquer de se faire emm...der toutes les 3 minutes !!
je t'invite donc a creuser sur ton petit hotel / complexe du coté de marsa allam ... meme si en fait de ville, marsa allam n'existe pas vraiment ..en dehors du nom de la zone, de l'aéroport et des qq complexes qui se sont installés sur la cote avec qq boutriques attenantes ! mais pour juste qq jours de repos et de baignade , ce n'est peut etre pas le besoin principal !!
le petit hotel proposé par Dom se situe a Quoseir ! mais pas certaine que depuis 2006 il continue à servir de la biere ..surtout avec la dernière ambiance supra religieuse actuelle ! et puis une petite plage publique dans la ville, pas certaine que ce soit le meilleur endroit pour une fille occidentale seule se mettre en maillot sans risquer de se faire emm...der toutes les 3 minutes !!
je t'invite donc a creuser sur ton petit hotel / complexe du coté de marsa allam ... meme si en fait de ville, marsa allam n'existe pas vraiment ..en dehors du nom de la zone, de l'aéroport et des qq complexes qui se sont installés sur la cote avec qq boutriques attenantes ! mais pour juste qq jours de repos et de baignade , ce n'est peut etre pas le besoin principal !!
Katty
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Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
Tickets for entry to Majorelle Garden are only issued online via an official site
(though there are fraudulent sites out there). On the official site, they ask for legitimate info
(name, nationality, etc.). What made me go "hmm" was the request for both an email address
AND a password (with confirmation). Is this normal?
Thanks for your replies.
Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!







